Reading 'The Ministry for the Future' now, and I gotta say, I'm really digging the 'black ops' vibe directed against the planet's most egregious climate criminals.
Terrifying chart of death and pies of doom, and not forgetting John Travolta's impact which is hardly mentioned in the climate change narrative. This video will be a turning point in the climate change discussion in the remaining seconds the world has left!!
100! Loved it! Lotsa fun (film wise.) Was that shot by Chris Peacock? DAMN he has stepped up his game! Loved the camera work, and the humorous graphics.
I'm shocked! Not one mention of Ben Elton's "This Other Eden" and "Stark". The definitive cli-fi novels. Of course, having been created in Ben's brain, they are manic, irreverent, hilarious, poignant and ultimately thought provoking. He's one of my most favourite authors.
Well I hope Mr Robinson gives Mark Fisher the credit for the quote; "It is easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism." (6 Mins.) Title of chapter one, Mark Fisher's book, Capitalist Realism published 2009.
I like the video Moid, you look like you are at one with nature 😃. Interestingly enough the first 'modern' book about climate disaster that I remember reading was Portent by James Herbert in 1992. Maybe you could argue that 'The Kraken Wakes' by John Wyndham in 1953 is also Climate Fiction too, it features the melting of the polar ice caps and the raising of sea levels to cause major climate changes.
As always, wonderful video, but I do miss the old style. With respect, I see you jumping on the trend of using a lot of graphics like others do and don't love it. You look great and I really love you being outside. More of that please. The graphic overload is just too much. Many apologies.
When you're discussing Kim Stanley Robinson and his clifi, don't leave out the Capitol trilogy: Forty Signs of Rain, Fifty Degrees Below, and Sixty Days and counting, published in the aughts. I found it less dry than Ministry (although KSR is a bit of a slog sometimes).
You have only mentioned the dystopian side of climate fiction. There is also the sub-subgenre Solar Punk. A derivative of *you guessed it* cyberpunk and Cli-Fi but on a positive note. In envisions transformed city scapes and societies that reacted on the climate change in the right ways.
"what will very likely happen to our civilization over the next 30 years if we don't wake up and do something." So just... What will likely happen then
No one reads climate fiction except those who are already concerned about it and taking steps to help however they can. And from that group you have to take the subset of people who don't mind being preached to, because I find climate fiction very preachy and thus avoid it.
@@MultiMonkeymunch You mean the TV series? I've never watched it and don't know what it's about. When I think of climate fiction I think of Paolo Bacigalupi.
@@robertwinslade3104 Hah that's funny, that movie never even came to mind. The original is definitely climate fiction and I found it to be preachy (and terrible science), but I did enjoy for the visuals. I haven't seen the new one.
I laughed out loud at the burning koala's bit, and I'm an Aussie! Never heard of wholemeal sandals but one can probably find them on Amazon. I might give them to a koala. Jokes aside though, you are bang on about there being too much protesting and not enough action. Well played.
We're all doomed. Is it really worth it to print a written book on the dried fleshy pulp of our murdered shade givers? In short, yes, yes it is, even if it is the last photosynthesizers. The story is certainly worth it. Wait, what story you say? Well nu
LEADER, DO YOU REALLY Need a WOOLLEN hat while at the same time wearing a short sleeved shirt !!!! God knows were you were brought up ,I agree with all so far, i prefer you in front of books !!!! Love Jeremy .
Given the longevity of the genre I'm going to say no Cli-fi won't change a damned thing. Most people already know climate change is happening but the people that run the corporations and governments that can really change the dial either know and don't care or have somehow convinced themselves it'll be fine (if only for them).
@@MediaDeathCult It's very noticeable on my laptop, I scrolled down to look to see if anyone else was noticing. Doesn't make it unlistenable though for me at least.
Yeah, planet is fine. We will probably not be, but maybe that's a good thing honestly. Or maybe we get lucky and some Culture-esque civilization swoops in and fixes everything
YES!!!!! Back to the books. Loovvvve the interviews but don't forget the books. Can books change us? For me yes. I have changed my very nature from a line or paragraph in a book, (not any Cli-fi ) so it is possible.
I have that body warmer 😀 There should have been a nod to the post-apocalypse John Wyndham's The Chrysalids. Not sure if we can reverse what is happening due to short-term thinking.
Solution is .... go outside, lot of space out there, bring resources and energy back (before cold fusion save us all?) - reading Critical Mass by Daniel Suarez (audiobook is wonderful)
It was 15 degrees and sunshine here in the UK this past week. February normally the coldest month alongside January. Although that’s weather not climate, but it’s still pretty unheard of.
@@Satorotas89 here in Romania we have a spike at the beginning of January lasting for a week with temperature above 10°C then slowly dropped at the end of the month to a minimum in the depressions of the mountains at - 22°C with -5~10 in the fields. Plenty of snow to. Now the maximum was this Monday at +17°C
Not exactly Attenborough, or Thunberg for that matter, but very entertaining. Maybe more books and less histrionics next time. Crichton’s State of Fear anyone?
Oy! Same author of the Wind Up Girl... The Water Knife is a better, more interesting and more realistic CliFi novel... for a more cynical take on climate concerns, it's hard to beat Michael Crichton's State of Fear... the perils of applying tech to solve the problems of climate are explored nicely by Neil Stephenson's Termination Shock...
I need to check out the Water Knife. Windup Girl is interesting, it was kind of hard to buy the idea of running the world on muscle power stored in springs. The idea of engineered blights being used to control food supplies was messed up, but something you could see happening.
Authors who write climate fiction are preaching to the choir of readers. That said, I have enjoyed quite a few climate fiction books, but my opinion remains the same: we, as a species, are a bunch of dolts who are destroying this planet and the novels are not going to change policy or attitudes. Finally, the term “clifi“ must be exterminated with extreme prejudice. It sounds completely juvenile. My opinion has not altered since I first heard it many, many years ago.
@@centy64 yup. I guess 90% of the best SF is society and technology critique (or as some said "preaching"). If you don't like that, I am afraid SF is not for you.
Ok, it may be a mono/stereo thing, my voice is only on one side in that section (new kit, many settings), on headphones it's noticeable but you should still hear me.
Ridiculous:"Is it mud?" I'm shouting "It's drought for feck's sake" at the laptop. Made my evening.
My pleasure, thanks
Stephen Baxter: Flood
Cinxin Lia: Wandering Earth
Kim Stanley Robinson ... actually almost everything
Reading 'The Ministry for the Future' now, and I gotta say, I'm really digging the 'black ops' vibe directed against the planet's most egregious climate criminals.
Global warming. Mass extinctions. War over resources. Pandemic. To quote me “I wanted my apocalypse with more zombies”.
Your videos have upped their production by a zillion %. Just to say, I really appreciate it. And you’re really taking us with you.
Thanks, that means a lot to me, just trying out a few things
Terrifying chart of death and pies of doom, and not forgetting John Travolta's impact which is hardly mentioned in the climate change narrative. This video will be a turning point in the climate change discussion in the remaining seconds the world has left!!
I just say what everyone else is thinking
100! Loved it! Lotsa fun (film wise.) Was that shot by Chris Peacock? DAMN he has stepped up his game!
Loved the camera work, and the humorous graphics.
Thanks, this was shot by Cult Member Charlie, Chris Peacock is as terrible as ever
I'm shocked!
Not one mention of Ben Elton's "This Other Eden" and "Stark". The definitive cli-fi novels. Of course, having been created in Ben's brain, they are manic, irreverent, hilarious, poignant and ultimately thought provoking.
He's one of my most favourite authors.
Well I hope Mr Robinson gives Mark Fisher the credit for the quote; "It is easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism." (6 Mins.)
Title of chapter one, Mark Fisher's book, Capitalist Realism published 2009.
I like the video Moid, you look like you are at one with nature 😃.
Interestingly enough the first 'modern' book about climate disaster that I remember reading was Portent by James Herbert in 1992.
Maybe you could argue that 'The Kraken Wakes' by John Wyndham in 1953 is also Climate Fiction too, it features the melting of the polar ice caps and the raising of sea levels to cause major climate changes.
Moid, pleeeease make a 'Pies of Doom' T-shirt (all proceeds obviosly going to burning Koalas of course)
Is this the genre some people call “Solar Punk?” Or is that something else?
Not sure, but I like the sound of that
No, these are two separate genres
As always, wonderful video, but I do miss the old style. With respect, I see you jumping on the trend of using a lot of graphics like others do and don't love it. You look great and I really love you being outside. More of that please. The graphic overload is just too much. Many apologies.
It's worth it for all this peer reviewed real science.
When you're discussing Kim Stanley Robinson and his clifi, don't leave out the Capitol trilogy: Forty Signs of Rain, Fifty Degrees Below, and Sixty Days and counting, published in the aughts. I found it less dry than Ministry (although KSR is a bit of a slog sometimes).
Love the graphics 👍🏽. I have always loved climate fiction, the drowned world is one of my favorite books. I am also a big Godzilla fan.
You have only mentioned the dystopian side of climate fiction. There is also the sub-subgenre Solar Punk.
A derivative of *you guessed it* cyberpunk and Cli-Fi but on a positive note. In envisions transformed city scapes and societies that reacted on the climate change in the right ways.
Love your stuff mate, keep it up!
Thanks, just getting started
Can't believe the world already ended since this came out! Just 1 tree left, and it's in Des Moines, Iowa.
The S C I E N C E was right all along!
Did 1984 stop the end of privacy? No. Does it help folks make sense of the world? Yes. Fab video and production values.
Thank you
Tremendous. Well done Moid.
Does he do standup? Maybe at a ComiCon?
Thank you
Mood finally got a YT Wokester warning on his channel. You’ve made it, man. You’ve made it lol
That may be why the algorithm doesn't promote the video, oh well
Innovation in progress. Moid has upgraded again.
"what will very likely happen to our civilization over the next 30 years if we don't wake up and do something."
So just... What will likely happen then
No one reads climate fiction except those who are already concerned about it and taking steps to help however they can. And from that group you have to take the subset of people who don't mind being preached to, because I find climate fiction very preachy and thus avoid it.
See, I think something like Avatar is climate fiction. It's all about marketing to the everyman, and giving them a story they give a shit about
@@MultiMonkeymunch You mean the TV series? I've never watched it and don't know what it's about. When I think of climate fiction I think of Paolo Bacigalupi.
@@Verlopil I think they mean the movies with the big blue aliens. But the animated tv series could also be interpreted as having pro-climate messages
@@robertwinslade3104 Hah that's funny, that movie never even came to mind. The original is definitely climate fiction and I found it to be preachy (and terrible science), but I did enjoy for the visuals. I haven't seen the new one.
5:32 praise the sun
I laughed out loud at the burning koala's bit, and I'm an Aussie! Never heard of wholemeal sandals but one can probably find them on Amazon. I might give them to a koala.
Jokes aside though, you are bang on about there being too much protesting and not enough action. Well played.
Thanks
Great video Moid!
Thanks
Great style of video. For the algorithm!
We're all doomed. Is it really worth it to print a written book on the dried fleshy pulp of our murdered shade givers? In short, yes, yes it is, even if it is the last photosynthesizers. The story is certainly worth it. Wait, what story you say? Well nu
LEADER, DO YOU REALLY Need a WOOLLEN hat while at the same time wearing a short sleeved shirt !!!! God knows were you were brought up ,I agree with all so far, i prefer you in front of books !!!! Love Jeremy .
LOVED this video. What a treat to watch
Thank you, we just wanted to try something different, glad you liked it
You are the guys introducing me to Vernor!
Given the longevity of the genre I'm going to say no Cli-fi won't change a damned thing.
Most people already know climate change is happening but the people that run the corporations and governments that can really change the dial either know and don't care or have somehow convinced themselves it'll be fine (if only for them).
I’m sure you know, but I don’t think you’re Rhode wireless mic was on.
It was a left/right issue, first time using it, it won't happen again.
And it's the Dji mic not the Rode
I get only the right channel most of the time. Makes it a hard listen on headphones.
New mic, lots of settings, shouldn't happen again, don't think it's noticeable on laptop, phone or TV
@@MediaDeathCult I thought it was deliberate effect :D
@@MediaDeathCult It's very noticeable on my laptop, I scrolled down to look to see if anyone else was noticing. Doesn't make it unlistenable though for me at least.
The planet is fine.
Yeah, planet is fine. We will probably not be, but maybe that's a good thing honestly. Or maybe we get lucky and some Culture-esque civilization swoops in and fixes everything
The planet is fine... people are fucked
Pies of Doom!! 😀
It's a misnomer to think only we are at risk. There are other sentient species our actions imperil.
😂 short sleeves and a pompom wool hat …..
It's the scaffolders uniform (I'm not a scaffolder)
YES!!!!! Back to the books. Loovvvve the interviews but don't forget the books. Can books change us? For me yes. I have changed my very nature from a line or paragraph in a book, (not any Cli-fi ) so it is possible.
I have that body warmer 😀
There should have been a nod to the post-apocalypse John Wyndham's The Chrysalids.
Not sure if we can reverse what is happening due to short-term thinking.
Hey it's Brian Cox!
Solution is .... go outside, lot of space out there, bring resources and energy back (before cold fusion save us all?) - reading Critical Mass by Daniel Suarez (audiobook is wonderful)
Moid abides… but seriously, it is in our nature to destroy ourselves.
This winter was cold and the summer is going to be hot 🤣
It was 15 degrees and sunshine here in the UK this past week. February normally the coldest month alongside January. Although that’s weather not climate, but it’s still pretty unheard of.
@@Satorotas89 here in Romania we have a spike at the beginning of January lasting for a week with temperature above 10°C then slowly dropped at the end of the month to a minimum in the depressions of the mountains at - 22°C with -5~10 in the fields. Plenty of snow to. Now the maximum was this Monday at +17°C
Epic
Thanks
Your mic levels were all over the place in this one, cult leader. Respectfully fix it up. Cheers!
First time using the new mic, many settings and we were a bit over ambitious
Don't mix stereo and mono sound in the same video. It makes me feel like I lost hearing in an ear or that my headphones broke.
Yeah, new kit, many settings, will know for next time
Not exactly Attenborough, or Thunberg for that matter, but very entertaining. Maybe more books and less histrionics next time. Crichton’s State of Fear anyone?
Nice hat
Nice bobble hat!
Also, I recognise that location; you filmed it on that very large roundabout near the middle of Milton Keynes, didn't you.
No
Did you say in the 2020s there is climate change debate? Hahahahhahah
Between people living in reality and... others.
@@centy64 that is a succinct and true explanation of the views from each side.
Oy! Same author of the Wind Up Girl... The Water Knife is a better, more interesting and more realistic CliFi novel... for a more cynical take on climate concerns, it's hard to beat Michael Crichton's State of Fear... the perils of applying tech to solve the problems of climate are explored nicely by Neil Stephenson's Termination Shock...
I need to check out the Water Knife. Windup Girl is interesting, it was kind of hard to buy the idea of running the world on muscle power stored in springs. The idea of engineered blights being used to control food supplies was messed up, but something you could see happening.
Authors who write climate fiction are preaching to the choir of readers. That said, I have enjoyed quite a few climate fiction books, but my opinion remains the same: we, as a species, are a bunch of dolts who are destroying this planet and the novels are not going to change policy or attitudes.
Finally, the term “clifi“ must be exterminated with extreme prejudice. It sounds completely juvenile. My opinion has not altered since I first heard it many, many years ago.
People said exactly the same thing about Sci-fi back in the day.
@@centy64 yup. I guess 90% of the best SF is society and technology critique (or as some said "preaching"). If you don't like that, I am afraid SF is not for you.
Yeah, to me Clifi sounds like it is sci-fi but written by Clifford Simak.
@@centy64 As a reader from the 80s, I was a subscriber to Omni magazine which discouraged the term sci-fi and I never picked up the usage.
No sound for me for the first 3 minutes
That must be a "you" thing, no other reports
Ok, it may be a mono/stereo thing, my voice is only on one side in that section (new kit, many settings), on headphones it's noticeable but you should still hear me.
Sad that you bought into all the climate hysteria.
He's wearing a woollen hat, not a tin one. Hysteria is a rational response.
I presume that you think tongue n cheek is a description of unacceptable non-vegetarian foodstuffs...
WHOOOOSH!