The Problematic "Three Body Problem" Problem
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- The Problematic "Three Body Problem" Problem
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I don't know how you managed to give three perspectives of a trilogy and still not really spoil any of it for potential readers. Excellent video Moid.
Thanks Bob
Definite agreement, the things was a treat!
Moid is the three body problem.
Just finished The Dark Forest last week. Really didn't care for 'main character falls in love with woman he imagines; later UN finds woman matching his description of her; they cohabitate and have a kid" as a plot device.
That whole thing was so weird and offputting. I though it was probably trying to show what would likely happen if any normal person was given unlimited resources, but the wallfacer plot device gives you carte blanche to be like "that was all part of his plan" which I don't love. I did enjoy the series overall, but the first one was by far the weakest for me, and that whole bit was a significant contributor to that! The prose, too.
@@jaspertandy Can someone explain why three body problem gets so much flack for prose, characters and sexism, but Asimov's and Arthur C Clarke's novels which are arguably much, much worse in those aspects (and ideas as well) get a pass? The protagonist in Rendezvous with Rama has like 3 wives and it's portrayed as normal for any American man of 2200's
the part of "... falls in love with woman he imagine" shows Lougi's talent. He imagined a girlfriend, and imagined that he falls in love with her, He is capable of being a wallfacer to close off himself from the outside world to devise a plan, deceive everyone including San-Ti, and execute it well.
I liked how all three perspectives looked like they were quietly listening when it wasn't their turn to talk. Really sold the idea that we were watching three separate people with three different impressions of the series. Well done!
Absolutely banger video. Best and most level-headed coverage of this series that I've seen. I somehow found myself agreeing almost completely with all three perspectives.
what a coincidence that the best take is the one you agree with. not to attack you but a reminder that we should always watch our biases
The Three Body Problem with a Discussion Between Three Bodies lmao, good one Moid. Not sure everyone got the joke but brilliant execution as always mate
I feel silly for not seeing this lol.
I wrote before I noticed others saying the same sort of thing I did, have to agree, very engaging video!
I'm largely with Red Moid here. I'm mostly frustrated with the books where there's a great plot in here but it's let down at almost every turn with how Liu decides to pace things, to depict how decisions are made and actions are taken. There's a lot I really enjoyed in the books - Zhang Behai's arc in Dark Forest, and the crew of Blue Space investigating the weird dimensional pockets in Death's End stand out - but in those sections the characters feel like they have agency and drive, while for most of the books it feels like the characters are there to bear witness to the next thing.
Same. The Three Body Problem was good, The Dark Forest was okay (had some interesting ideas but it was erratic pacing wise.) Death’s End was just bad.
100% agree
Yet he didn't want to just come out And hate it, he gave it a chance but you can tell he didn't love any of these books. I think it's geared toward less experienced sci-fi enthusiasts
I never 'gush' in my comments, but a couple of minutes in, your three selves carrying on a conversation from 3 POV's was really impressing me, in its cohesiveness, its 'give and take', its tone, content, and finally, its effect. Excellent editing. Wonderful to feel I was a fly on the wall taking in a real conversation. Before pressing "Comment",
...I couldn't help noticing other viewers pointing out the same thing...
🙂 Truly well done!!!
Thank You
The videography is once again innovative. Moid, you just never run out of good ideas. Keep up the good work!
I loved the originality of this review format. Thanks Moid.
You know, there’s good remedies for schizophrenia nowadays.
Brilliant and balanced take on a book series that has generated a lot of interest. I've read Three-Body and am looking forward to the others. You new home looks lovely. Thanks, Moid, and Happy Holidays.
I loved the way you split this video up with different view points Moid. Great video! The trilogy is still a TBR for me but will get to it eventually.
Top notch video once again. What a crackingly unique way to review a book. Pro's and con's delivered perfectly. This book has been on my TBR for a while and you have offered up plenty to consider which probably will aid my reading of this book to be that much more enjoyable. Excellent stuff.
I was never a reader until my twenties then someone passed me the wasp factory, then my favourite book the bridge and then started reading the culture books, thirty years on and not reading anything for a long time I picked up the three body problem and it blew my mind with its ideas, sure it may have been written before but this was my first taste of big concepts and I followed with the series leading me back into reading and sci fi, I loved the books
Really good video! Acknowleding the really cool ideas weighted down by the weak characters which adds a lot of fat that could be cut down makes this probably the best review I've seen on the series.
Also, please do this angel/devil dynamic again, i really enjoy it. The angel being very sincere followed by the devil going "you're wrong. It's shit. No i will not elaborate" is very funny.
I thought the style had some humor to it that most people missed.
This is after 100 pages long setpiece of alien technology completely obliterating the solar system in the final book, after all that, this paragraph literally made me laugh out loud at work while I was reading:
"They screamed, they cried and here came the final voice of the human race from the solar system:
" Aaaaaaaaaaa"
Also it's really weird how westerners completely forgive/ignore the dryness of Arthur C clarke's or Asimov's characters and writing style, yet Liu Cixin's style which is at least 50% more interesting gets a lot of flack from the same readers who ignore the same (let's be real: worse) problems of western authors. Just really really weird how that is, sure it has nothing to do with [REDACTED]? 🤔
Great way to review it. I get your points because I also struggled with the style, but in the end the scale of the story and the multitude of ideas just did it for me.
Missed ya Moid. I'm gonna drop my comment before I watch, just to say this looks like a great idea of a topic to handle. Thanks, And keep doing what ever makes you happy.
Have a GREAT new year!
My biggest critique of the series is that every now and then while reading you will run into what I can only describe as a metaphorically patch of literary quick sand that you cant back out of and have to trudge though to get to the other side. These patches aren't very big or deep but do take away from the experience of reading the books. And despite there only being like a hand full of these bogs, the first and arguably largest one just so happens to be the beginning of the first book. 😅
very original way to introduce readers to this book.
it's not objective, it's not the only one review, the absolute and definitive one.
it's several voices, several subjectivities, it's thought-provoking.
it's definitely smart. and it's actually a good way to review books in general, it's kind of humble to play different variations.
and the gimmick is quite cool and entertaining. maybe you can make more out of the characters and push them a little bit further.
Damn this is such a fun format to have three experiences mix into one towards the end! well done on a great discussion
I’ve been putting these books off for sooo fracking long. But let me say this, Moid, I think this is your best video yet. Very well executed, and funny. Keep it up.👍
I enjoyed all three books, I think I agree with both the praise and the criticism. There's a lot bad about the books, but there's also a host of interesting plot lines and ideas that I still think about years later. There's not many series that can say that.
I love this, the bouncing back and forth between the different ideas and criticism of the good point about the book and the negative. I felt the same way, it was not the smoothest or the most well written but some of the ideas in here are mind boggling. Well worth your time imo.
I really enjoyed doing the monthly readalong and talking about the book with folks on the discord. Looking forward to the next few!
i think the writing suffers from a loss in translation. The big idea in this series tries to answer the question... Where are all the aliens?
I suspect the Cixin Liu's answer to the question is very Chinese. China has had terrible relations with just about everyone throughout history. The mongols, the Japanese, Koreans, all of Europe and the USA too. We want to "Go Boldly Where No One Has Gone Before." Chinese would rather we just leave them alone. This is manifested in Dark Forest Theory. Better to huddle in the cold and dark forest rather than attract malevolent intention by lighting a warming fire. Seems very Chinese to me based on what I know of their history.
nothing at all is lost in translation. ken lui is by far the best you could want and a better scifi writer himself. i didnt really get snything chinese out of it other than the robotic characters that you care little to nothing about and are expendable … to the story of course but irl to the fascist chinese government.
Eh don't buy it, he was a fan of Asimov and Clarke so I don't think it's that big of a gap that people make out to be.
It is worth noting that "Chinese" is a flexible meaning. Most popularly, it refers to the Han Chinese, who were the conglomeration of various competing tribes, the Huaxia, along the Yellow and Yangtse rivers, though not the oldest culture. China pretends these wars and expansions were not imperial in nature, but when one takes over another and the tribe flees? It is a series of conquests. Modern China ignores the distinctions, but ancient Chinese historian like Sima Qian wrote of the differences as a 'chasm' between them and the not-them Chinese, the Hua-Yi conflict--which itself ignored the different tribes that made up the Han that existed prior. Unified rule is what allowed anti-warlord Confucian philosophy to arise and the ideal of civilized behavior (if you behaved like Han and recognized the Emperor as supreme). Because of this prejudice, in 350 CE, three of the five recognized Chinese barbarian groups were targeted in the Wie-Jie genocide, led by usurper Emperor Ran Min. Various near Han Chinese took on and competed over the identity of Chinese, sinicisation, some for the purpose of ruling. There was a recognition of different but equal of dynasties. Arguments went back and forth, one emperor argued in favor of equality, another recalled all manuscripts because he thought they made the government look bad, etc. The idea of culture over race turned plain racist in the late 19th century, but would end most recently with a declaration that all groups inside China were Chinese, rather than barbarian.
How does this apply to the Dark Forest theory? In Chinese history, they were the threat in the forest until they sought peace because they won. This is how the cycle goes.
I love this video and concept - brilliant!!
This was really well done. Cheers all around! And I’m glad you got back to this series and read all three. I quite enjoyed it myself, though I don’t think I’m in the mind-blown camp either.
When people react to this book complaining about the characters being flat or the environment driving the story, I think they don’t consider where the story is from- the culture the story is from. A lot of Chinese art has the character fade into the environment specifically so the viewer ponders on the whole and how the individual isn’t separate from the whole. I think that’s something like what Cixin was trying to do. It’s different from what most Western readers are familiar with though, so some of them are turned off by it. It’s a shame, because they could learn something if they did spend time with those ideas. My two cents anyway.
Moid can review kitchen utensils and I’d watch it.
The Three Body Problem reviewed by The Three Body Moid... classic
This was such a great way of pointing out what people love and hate about the series. For me, I am so excited you decided to continue. I was k e of the people proselytizing for you to keep going to book 2.
Slogged and slugged through the first one, was under-impressed. Should I try again? Help me Holy Trinity!
Woop woop. Great vid moid. Keep em coming!
Good to see that you are back again, Moid!
Brilliant video! I don't recall how I was introduced to Three Body - but I was lucky. I struggled through the first book as well. I came in with zero knowledge of the Chinese revolution. I struggled with the last name first thing and had to flip back to remember which characters were which. However, I did have a strong amateur knowledge of astronomy and physics. That helped a lot. When you are ready to read it again I highly suggest the audiobook. In that format, the characters feel more fleshed out and focused. Having read the book prior to the listen, I was able to relax on the ideas, being familiar already, and catch a lot of the nuance and humor in the character interactions.
whoop so excited! (amazing stuff! the droplet destroying the fleet was physics fun! like the gatling gun scene at the end of the last samurai.)
Wow, great review. Loved the three way tussle!
This is a great review - I love the multi-pronged approach here! I think (probably like most who've read the trilogy) you represented my own view here very well. At the time I read this series, I fit into the "this is all brand new to me" mold. In fact, if nothing else I credit it with putting me on to sci-fi as a genre. (Previously, I leaned much more into the very specific non-fiction sub-genre of disaster stories - to this day I'd list 'Skeletons on the Zahara' as one of my all-time favorite reads.) But I was given the trilogy as a birthday gift and read all three books in quick succession. I loved it, and while I did pick up on the clunkiness of the writing and often one-dimensionality of characters, I wrote all of that off to an issue of lost in translation. I was definitely among those who loved the ideas enough to look past any limitations in the delivery of those ideas. Have I read what I'd consider better series at this point (some four to five years after reading this)? Sure - Tchaicovsky's Children of Time series, Hamilton's Commonwealth Saga, and Wendig's Wanderers are some of my personal favorites. But I'm not sure I'd have ever gone down the road that led to those if I hadn't been pulled in by this series back then. And I would still rank Three Body Problem pretty high up there just for its ambition: Liu packs a lot of very big ideas into one series here and even if you don't like the way he presents some of those ideas as a writer, you still can see what he's driving toward and just walking away with so many different things swimming around in your head makes it a worthwhile read.
My experience was TBP: This has bad writing but kinda cool. TDF: Why is so much of this about thus knob's fake girlfriend? DE: 🤯
This video is a rewatch for me 😂 You deserve so many more subscribers, Moid!
Thank You
I couldn't finish it. Hated it. Fantastic review - not enough to have me try it again, though.
BTW, you all settled in after the move?
Love the way you do your videos Moid, a fresh way of breaking down how we sometimes feel pulled in different directions by a book. I haven't read these books yet, but somehow it feels to me like a similarly divisive response to 1Q84, a book I felt was compellingly and brilliantly written but let down by its plot.
i've missed you!-thanks.
I slogged my way through the trilogy (took me four months) because of Moid's philosophy: "Read it! You can't have a proper opinion if you haven't read it". And I think people should give it a try... you might like it.
TBP fans should know that Netflix is making a series on it.
I hope that the Netflix series will be good (I am not very optimistic). I saw a chinese adaptation of the first book : it's easy to adapt the plot, but more difficult to adapt the idea, or the sense to be a "lucky witness".
I've never read these books but really enjoy this video, this format is super fun!
Tedious.. yes, that’s why barely finished the first one and stopped 100 pages into Dark Forest
I do plan on finishing but just not a priority (after a year)
Moid, your video's have become amazing. I always click on your videos. Your videos gone from content to art.
Super appreciate the honest perspective
Discovered your channel through the Peter Watts interview. Great work and content!
Greetings from Argentina.
I loved the Three Body Problem trilogy though.
Congratulations on giving the viewer all possible outcomes after reading this series and showing us that all opinions - good, mediocre or bad - are valid depending on the reader! I've seen so many videos saying the series is worth reading or don't bother - but nothing that gives the true potential outcome of spending your time investing into this series! Well done!! Having said that...I just bought the first book and have decided I'd like to find out which type of reader of this series that I am. Thanks for preparing me for the journey - whichever way it turns out! Stay safe!
Cool format 🙏
I might get more out of this series after doing some research into the “three-body” hypothesis, which is a real thing. I had no idea about it going into the book.
Perfect! By far the best review of this ambivalent trilogy I have ever seen!
Finished the 2nd one recently. I dunno, I adored it. That teardrop scene will stay with me forever.
I was hoping the humans would try an antimatter attack against it. Like the sophons, for me the teardrop relied too much on narrativium.
Great review - subscribed.
Welcome Back!!! Thought you fell into the void, Moid!
I lived in Azië for some time and from that periode got some immersion in the culture. The way of being, thinking, decision making etc . The characters felt very familiar to me . The author is Chinese. Different culture that the West . Maybe that has an influence .
There are so many classic SF masterpieces that I haven't read. By the time I get to this series I'll be old and jaded
Very well edited. Given how they all come together at the end, I'm curious what order you filmed each review?
a irl three body review lol - this was awesome very good work nigel 🎉
Outstanding review , you kill me !
I loved the style of this video. I also felt totally torn this way. It has so many cool ideas, but the writing it's one of the only books I've read where the writing was bad enough for it to be distracting.
This was a terrific way to play out the review[s].
Thank you
New to the channel, great review - very creative, will stay!
It was (imo) an interesting insight into the authors' culture. The way the book is written, how men and women are portrayed, how the characters' agency (or lack thereof) is portrayed, the thorough paranoia that the characters go through... IMO that is very revealing and a way to learn of a *completely* different mindset/worldview than mine.
That's what helped me get through it, because, yes, this series is a difficult one to read through even though the ideas are interesting.
I really liked the Three Body Problem trilogy! Now that I've watched your debate I'm feeling like reading it again, thanks!
And by the way, at around 7.05 in your video you are doing a quite good resemblance of Nicola Walker :)
Brilliantly done. Cheers.
Great reviews! I try to use some comparison and contrast when I review, but this technique is very comprehensive. I am in the Devil Moid camp on this one.
Blimey! (I am not exactly certain what that means, but probably close enough)
I love the "three body review" approach. :) Thank you for the honest review.
Very thankful for this video. I've been a little bemused by all the love for this and now I think I understand it. The love is not unwarranted, but these books are not for me.
Never mind the SF, you are blowing my mind here MOID! I am in the camp of been-reading-Science-Fiction-for-50+-years and wondered what all the fuss was about when I read this series and the writing was weird, even tedious. I have re-read 3 body but not the other two yet because of the hype and yes I liked it better the second time.
No i think that's just human, every culture that has come into contact with a less advanced culture has either wiped them out or enslaved them. The only real exception that i know of is the Sentinels of North Sentinel Island. We've left them alone. But even that doesn't work because we HAVEN'T left them alone, and even if we do now they've attacked anyone who comes close themselves. RoEP shows how the chain of suspicion can cause even "peaceful" cultures to act aggressively by default.
Bravo, well played. An excellent summary. I might even no go and read the books too.
Nice review, I had no desire to read the Remembrance of earths past books before your review and still have none.
Top review, and perfect for the series
I can't really comment because I read a sample chapter way back when the 1st book was first coming out and found it so amateurly written I just lost all interest. It was like reading a talented but inexperienced high school student's first attempt at fiction writing. I'm sure he did improve in the next two books but I have no interest in subjecting myself to the pain of the first one just to get to the next.
And let me stress that I can deal with clunky prose, I mean I'm a huge Sanderson fan after all but that wasn't the problem. It was just full of the most basic mistakes all student writers make in their earliest attempts. Things like characters telling each other things they already know as a way of explaining their story through dialogue. If you ever have a character say "well, as you know Bob..." followed by a page of infodump, delete that chapter and start again.
"well, as you know Bob..." followed by a page of infodump, delete that chapter and start again."
Look buddy I like Brandon too, but that shit happens at every single chapter in Mistborn, especially in the final empire, which is like every other page.
"as you know Vin, ska are opressed, Lord Ruler has blablabla............"
The first book is quite nice. It's very mysterious and if you didn't read anything about it at all, you kinda keep guessing what the hell is causing the deaths and the numbers.
The Dark Forest was great for its second half and the solution being a sociological idea, rather than a hard sci-fi or warfare angle.
Book three was good because of the massive amount of ideas and the vast scale of it all.
However, all three books have the same issues. Poor characterization, clunky exposition and wishy-washy sociology in order to support the negative view of social interactions the author was going for. Overall, I agree with Moid's statement. It's good in the moment but it doesn't stay with you all that much. It's a good series that I have no desire to read again.
Hey that was me! Haha, great video Moid. I always enjoy the way you talk about books
Fame at last, Jimmy
@@MediaDeathCult My mother is going to be so proud
It was an interesting read for me . First book is a cool (and sometimes pretty terrifying ) exploration of first contact , second book is a nice exploration of one of the Fermi Paradox solutions , third book went batshit insane with the ideas. I definitely think that the time invested was worth it , however people comparing the prose and world building to Banks and Herbert are IMHO delusional . Great video Moid(s) ! .
Herbert is unfairly bashed for his prose imho
@@WeWereTheStormbooktube really likes to trash the prose of every book in existence that isn't written by Mccarthy or Faulkner.
Enjoyed the first book. Had some fantastic elements to it. Started reading the second one and gave up about mid way. The communist propaganda snd idiotic decisions made by its chsracters was too much.
You missed the best book in the series, The Dark Forest. The big idea in this series tries to answer the question... Where are all the aliens?
I suspect the Cixin Liu's answer to the question is very Chinese. China has had terrible relations with just about everyone throughout history. The mongols, the Japanese, Koreans, all of Europe and the USA too. We want to "Go Boldly Where No One Has Gone Before." Chinese would rather we just leave them alone. This is manifested in Dark Forest Theory. Better to huddle in the cold and dark forest rather than attract malevolent intention by lighting a warming fire. Seems very Chinese to me based on what I know of their history.
@@chrishooge3442 From my perspective I haven't missed out on anything since I wasn't enjoying what I was reading.
I felt that actually, through the rest of the books, the comunist you are refering to becomes a dystopia and the reason for that Is, precisely, that society thought they had reached some comunist utopia
I didn’t feel any of that shit…someone’s projecting a very prejudice perspective here
Great video on several levels, and it`s reminded me that I still haven`t read Death`s End yet.
The Dark Forest is my favorite out of the trilogy. The writing style in that novel just seems a little bit better than the other two, maybe because it had a different translator? I'm not sure, but it actually felt like a story to me from start to finish. The whole series is great on ideas, poor on characters, with mediocre writing that makes it average out to just okay. I kind of feel like if the series has a better editor maybe some of this stuff would get cut out or reworked to be better.
Shout outs to the scientist in Death's End who fell in love with a literal black hole and decided to float into it, then his family couldn't collect his life insurance policy because they argued he technically wasn't dead from their perspective.
actually i strugled with translation of 2nd
but i liked it more than other
Awesome video 👌🏻
I concur! Preach on, brother.
Sorry, I am with Red on this one. People keep saying "yes, I agree with all the weaknesses (poor writing, characterless characters, obtuse social theory), BUT..." If you have to say "BUT" then you are just making excuses for a book that missed the mark! There are truly great books out there, and the authors did the work to write well. Reward those authors. Love your reviews!
Yep glad I didn't waste my time reading these. Normally your first gut reaction is the right one, LOL
Excellent presentation! 😁These books really polarize readers. I still haven't read them, but it sounds interesting.
The cultural differences really struck me. In American SF stories there is always the hero protagonist who is central to the story and solves the main problem himself. Then, the girl throws herself at him (because most of the authors were gamma nerds who didn't know anything about women). But, it's always the one guy who resolves the conflict. In Liu's story individual actors always fail, either through incompetence or deceit. Only collective action brings correct solutions to the problems faced.
Also, I love the elegance of the idea of the galaxy being a dark forest. I think that's a great idea. Or maybe I'm just paranoid.
While not the biggest fan of the series, I've seen a lot of videos breaking down the ideas and I love them. They're really interesting and i find myself really captivated, it's just personally I find there's a lot of fluff. Maybe Liu's preference for collectivism over individualism is reflected in his writing, his focus is clearly on humanity as a whole and the characters are tools to push that collectivist narrative forward.
I'm agree with you. And I think it is more immersive, because some of the characters only does what they do in general life in extraordinary situation, and some of them become the "hero" only by chance, for example because he has a doubtful idea.
I, admittedly, don't have a huge breadth of sci fi reading history; AND, admittedly, I have only read the first book. However, I really enjoyed it. There's a decent amount of talk in here about "writing dexterity" or "clunky storytelling" and I mostly attribute that to translational differences. I've read a good handful of books that have been translated to english (different genres of course), but I always find a bit of clunkiness to it. I'm not sure about how original the ideas presented in the first book were, but again, I will admit to being a newcomer to the genre. But as far as shortcomings in tone, wit, or dexterity I generally chalked up to translational differences
Still stoked to read the rest of the trilogy though!
Nah that's just how he writes as I have asked Mandarin speakers who have said.
The invisible gun holster vest on the ultra positive character was a nice touch. A+
great format for this book. i liked the first.. the ideas presented.. the dark forest reveal.. but man the characters were brutal.
cheng xin was intolerable to me and thoroughly ruined the last 2 books for me..
edit: 13:42... very VERY good point. this is really one of those things were u and 3 friends with basically the same exact tastes in books could all walk away in one of the 3 camps u presented here in some form. great review!
Wow, great video.
That was a delight - congratulations to all three of you. Still not sure whether I want to read the trilogy or not…
This review just won you SF (or is it "SciFi"?) booktube for the week. Perceptive well past simplistic "loved it yay" or "hated it bleurgh" write-offs - with a balanced verdict that pretty much chimes with mine. Appreciated too your defence of the reuse of previously worked themes/subgenres: New is great but that doesn't prevent Old redone well being absolutely excellent too. Noticeable that this series' detractors tend to fall amongst those SF readers/critics who swing more to the "fiction" and away from the "science" of SF. Which itself is fair enough - not their "jam" one might say. But the 3BP should, as you have done, be recommended to those who enjoy some strong science in their fiction. Subscribed.
You're an artist, Moid.
Thank you Jared
Have you ever reviewed Mars Trilogy? I would love to hear your opinion on it.
I just turned this on and can't wait to watch! I've actually put off reading these books because of all the hype!
I like that yoj showed two conflicting opinions without making one of them talk stupidly or snob.
I’m with White Moid, for me the first book was good and the sequels were great. The stiff writing and characters didn’t detract too much from my reading experience because the focus was on the ideas.
Thanks Big J
I had to DNF after less than 30 pages - the writing is borderline not English it's so poor. Unsure how anyone could read it.
Just out of curiosity, why do you wear a holster and gun in all your videos?
Just a question, Is the discord open to anyone and do you still do read alongs, or is everything off limits unless youre a patron?
The discord is bigger than ever, free and packed full of read alongs.
The link is on the RUclips home page
@@MediaDeathCult Thanks Moid. I'll check it out
The more time that passes since finishing this trilogy, the more I'm in the indifferent camp. The writing was so poor, I struggled through this. And I wasn't blown away by the ideas. "Small series of tremors" is right.