The greenest EV ever? First impressions of ‘our’ brand new Vauxhall/Opel Mokka-e
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- It’s green, it’s cool, it’s… surprisingly small! Here are my first impressions of the car we’ll be driving for the next month or so from Onto, the car subscription company. I haven’t driven it yet, but I’ll do another video when I do, plus a full review. And I’ll get my wife’s thoughts of course.
You may be thinking “what about the Tesla you had, Andrew?!” - videos coming soonish about that!
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Apparently putting mistakes in videos increases engagement so well done and thank you to everyone who notices the howler I put in this one. Completely intentional of course! 😬
The shark symbol was first shown in the glove box hinge of the corsa around 2004 , a sneaky designer popped it in a plastic moulding , and it stayed , looks like "they" are still working at Vauxhall ( aka stalantis )
@@JonathanPorterfield Thanks Jonathan! That wasn't actually the howler I was referring to!
Great to see the leaf is still showing a 'happy face' 😊
Love your reviews Andrew. I had the Mokka for a few days, so much smaller inside than the outside design implies. Range is not great and being lower than it look a head banger when getting in and out of the drivers seat. It's a 2 plus 2 for sure.
I test drove one last year, I loved the look and the green but wasn't impressed with the way it drove. Not alot of range also put me off. The inside was claustrophobic. Then I drove the E-niro and it was so much better in everyway.
I bought the E-Niro, had it a year now and I still love it. Good luck with Flaviana and that Mokka, can't wait to hear her views ! 👏
Do you like the new model niro-ev?
The Niro is pretty hard to beat as you get so much room and range in a car that’s only about 22cm longer than the Mokka. Just a shame it doesn’t charge faster.
@@Richard482 I don't know too much about the new model, I do like the styling but I'm sadly not in the market for one so I haven't researched it.
I had my 11 and 14 yr old glancing at BEV builders here ie VW, Kia, Hyundai, BMW, Audi... and the basic comment was, why do the car coimpanies hate colour? We saw 8 different greys, three or four whites, 3 different blacks, several dull blues cough cough Hyundai & VW... The Kia EV6 Yacht Blue and BMW's Portimao Blue got the thumbs up. Keeping the girls happy!!
It’s baffling, isn’t it? I love colourful cars! Good on MG for making the orange MG4. And Peugeot’s yellow e208 always catches my eye as well.
I have an e208. The styling of this looks much nicer than the 2008. Thanks for the review.
We have a friend with the e2008. Lovely to drive - also pretty good looking compared to other crossovers. I agree this has the edge in terms of looks though.
It is in my opinion without doubt the best looking Vauxhall since the mk1 Astra GTE .
I had the GTE, MK 1. MODIFIED exhaust manifold. great car, great cross country car.
cut out occasionally for a few moments under electricity pylons, in the country, and Torque steer.
The Vauxhall VX 220(just a rebadged Lotus), that was cool 😎
How did I forget that?!
My wife has had one for a year now and it’s a great car.
"Do you like the colour?" " Yeah."
High praise from Flaviana,
The Vauxhall Calibre looked good. Good enough to wow the motoring media. It was a coupe built on the Cavalier floorpan and running gear.
With rear axle from Omega - Carlton.
With the charge stop topic - in my Tesla it's easy - just set the charge level so you don't go over 4 hours of charging (30kw). Can you set charge limit on the E Mokka?
I was impressed with your reviews on the Ioniq 5, however I doubt if I would be considering this one anytime soon.
Thanks, will wait a year for your update on this car. There might be a refresh by then.
Love your videos. Not to worried about the timeline, anyone who watched MCU films/series will be fine with it. Just have a teeny request tho, if possible and not too much of a hassle, could you add the corresponding 'km' when you talk about miles? Like in a text box, here and there, as you do for edits generally? Love the channel, keep up!
Thanks very much! I normally do - kicking myself for forgetting on this video! Sorry.
I think you still have the Zappi, if so on the Myenergy app you can set the maximum percentage to charge the car battery to (as long as it’s a percentage of 10, 20,30% ie no percentages not ending a in a nought.
The shark is a design tradition easter egg in all new vauxhall models since 2004 the designer 1st did it on the corsa D hidden in the glovebox hinge
Great colour. Reminds me of my dads 70s Vauxhall viva - re front view. Boot release seems a bit convoluted. Again great colour
My Dad had a Viva as well!
@@MrEV my dad had one which was white/rust. Always seemed to be out there with filler, sandpaper and a rattle can.
Can’t see you keeping that long !!! Only thing going for it is the colour !
Thx for the information. As always very helpful.
It's a shopping trolley - but leave the kids at home so you can put stuff on the back seat, or fold it down.
looks like you've got a 24hr clock set up so your charging will start at 12:30 in the afternoon :)
After the spaciousness of the Ioniq 5 this feels like a Mickey Mouse toy! Hope you don't go insane in it ;-)
I test drove one of these, nice car, great value for money, ended up buying a Cupra Born as the dealer called to say he had just taken delivery of some. We would have had to wait 6-8 months for the Mokka.
That’s a crazy wait! It’s quite telling that this is the old spec I’ve got here and it’s only just arrived.
The Born looks great! I can’t wait to try it.
Looking forward to your reviews with this car, I would like to know the charging speed and distance travel that you encounter not what the manufacture reports. Keep them coming Andrew
Thanks Paul. I'm planning a longish journey very soon.
Beautiful color; I hope Flaviana likes it. Looking forward to your review on this car.
I love the color. Kyle Connor from the usa out of spec studios on RUclips. Was in Europe and drove this car
In the Tesla you can't set a stop time. But you can limit the percentage. Ie. Night 1 battery say at 10% set a stop limit of 50%. Night 2 vampire drained down to say 49% set the start time for 0030 and increase the limit to 80-100%. Voila off peak charged. At 7kw with a 55kwh battery 1 hour at 30 amps = 11% approx
I ordered vauxhall mokka e, in blue back on the 10th Feb, 8 months ago and have been informed its still 3 - 6 months before it will be delivered. The car companies and governments, are pushing the world's population, to go green and they are unable to supply these electric cars. I am trying to transition, but I honestly wish I bought an ice car because this is just stupid. I paid a £15k deposit, which will be sitting in Bristol Street motors bank for over a year before I get my new car. They need to sort out their poor supply issues because this will turn the public against buying an ev.
Same feelings here, wanted ev due to ride quality but prices are crazy. Used ice prices are crazy as well, my bought new cactus 4 years ago is now about the same price when I got it. Sure, new is like 40% more expensive, which is not cool. But it skips little fuel and is reliable so I’ll keep for many years now. Not willing to spend lots of money, especially now.
Maybe buy a different EV that's got better lead time?
Please get a refund if you can and look for another EV if you’d like. The Mokka is a terrible car.
Lots of leasing companies have stock right now of cars that are superior to the Mokka as well
@@cokyrobes it's too late now. If I cancel and order another car, I'll be at the back of the queue. Hopefully santa will bring me a nice present soon. Thanks for replying.
We have ordered this from Vauxhall.. I can't wait for it to come.. I look forward to your review and life with it.
You have my deepest sympathies
I have the Corsa version,exactly the same,but I believe slightly longer range.
It's a great little car,no complaints for last year Ive had it,except auto windscreen wipers don't seem to respond very well.
Is this the tall corsa then rather than astra? But small for us and probably Mr ev +3
@@80y3r9 I suspect there is little difference on interior size?
Yes, interior size is very similar I believe.
Didn't you set the charge time to 12.30 on a 24h clock should be 00.30. Right?
You can tell I’m half asleep! 😂
Does it have any ambient lighting? Or functional lighting like glove box, vanity mirror lights etc? Cheers
I know absolutely nothing about this brand "Vauxhall" but it sure looks great.
I agree! It's called Vauxhall in the UK and Opel elsewhere.
@@MrEV Perhaps, but we don't have either brand here in the States. I had to look it up. I'm amazed that it was a (US company) General Motors product. Both Vauxhall and Opel. I'm not surprised that they belong to Stellantis now. Times move fast
I like it especially in green, have had a father that worked for Vauxhall for 30 years building them I have some hertitage with them and haven’t liked them for a while but the corsa E was great so looking forward to your thoughts on this is one I’m thinking of going with next on ONTO
That’s great! Which was your father’s favourite Vauxhall?
Cavilier which was given to him at end of service them handed down to me 1.6 ltr great for a 18 year old lol
The Mokka and Corsa seem to have the B pillar way too far forward, the front doors just look too small. It'll be interesting to see the efficiency and range you get out of it, apparently the latest Stellantis cars are improved.
I ordered my mokka on October 1st 2021 and guess what I am still waiting with no information on when I am getting it the ev point was fitted 7 months ago I've had 3 Vauxhall previously with great service and had 3 years of no problems with all 3 now the 4th now taken over by stalantis I have had no service no information just kept in the dark 14 months have passed and still no information so stalantis is a no-no for me in the future terrible service with such a low score its un writable so be aware buyer for a very long wait or even if you get one at all let's see if this one gets put on the channel lol but great video very informative if you don't believe me check out the Vauxhall forums you will see hundreds just like I so let see if I will actually get one within two years so here hoping.
If you did an Italy trip in this much smaller car than the Ioniq5 it would make for an epic video!
Would our marriage last though?! 😬
@@MrEV that was going to be my comment, divorce would loom
The reality is a short range, lengthy times to fill up, more expense to buy, cost similar to fill up at home as an ICE car, way more to fill up from a public charger and appalling towing range.
For me an EV won't work but I appreciate people looking for a local runaround may find a small benefit.
Four hours cheap charge on a 7.5KW charger is going to give only a really small range though.
Getting the colour right, everything else is plain sailing thereafter. What nice about the new EVs, they are changing the look of cars - bringing in new design elements, NIce on the outside,
Well the Mokka e is just an ICE where they switched the IC engine and gas tank for battery and e engine. And that usually means there are lots of compromises (eg no frunk).
No point complaining about the size, its a small car just over I think 4.1 metres in length. I think pretty good as a town car with the range and maybe ok for a couple of bigger trips in a year, I'd struggle with it as a main family car though. We had a look at this on motability for my wife - for some odd reason the sill was a bit wide and wasn't easy to get in for her, we settled for a Kona which is still on order and hopefully due this year! I actually like small cars, so much better for buzzing round town and parking 🙂
There's also the bonus that the Kona is more efficient and has a much better range. Hyundai software is also better I think.
Nice quick review. I have comments on my channel where they complain about me calling it an engine😂. Terms engine & motor are pretty interchangeable if you google it. Hence why we have Motoring Magazines and not Engine Magazines when you think about it. My dad way back also used to call his cars Motors. You also had a plane called the Ford tri-motor.
Perhaps the terms engine/motor are interchangeable for ICEs, but motor is most appropriate for EVs.
I presume you've subsequently adjusted the charging start time to 00:30 instead of 12:30... 😉
Great review as always looks quite small , I have hyhundai kona and that gets a kicking for being small , would love to know which is the biggest out the 2 , thanks 😊
I haven’t spent much time in the Kona but I have a feeling this is smaller in the back. The Kona has a slightly bigger boot, is more efficient, and has a far better range of course.
@@MrEV will be interesting when the new kona comes out in 2023
"diving enthusiast Dietmar Finger" who worked as a designer at Opel and after sketching a shark on the side of the Corsa D's glovebox was encouraged by his son to add one to the vehicle. Upon returning to the office, " Finger showed the shark design to Corsa chief designer Niels Loeb, who was immediately sold on the idea".
Amazing! Thanks so much!
That's all very fine and dandy Andrew. But.....
What does Flavia think of all this?
You’ll find out soon!
I believe the Jeep Avenger is coming soon? Based on the same platform, be interesting to see if that makes a better fist of boot/interior space.
Liking the look of all new Vauxhall's though, apart from the tiny rear indicators, they're dangerous.
Yes, I have my eye on the Avenger. Not that I like it particularly, but my wife loves the look of it!
Being so used to my Ioniq and use the paddles to adjust regenerative braking, as second nature, just now part of EV driving. So I’m interested to know how regen is adjusted on the Mokka please… 🤔
Yes, I love those paddles! There's just a button in the Mokka called "B" which increases regen braking a bit. (Same as our old Leaf). I'd love to have more control over it.
@@MrEV definitely there’s a 6 mile down hill stretch I use zero regen and just automatically click in and out of 1 setting and actually gain a mile or so instead of using GOM … 🤔
It has side airbags in the backseat, it's not that common, and a detail most people miss discovering because the impression in the backseat is not impressive, and therefore one does not expect such equipment there.
That's great to know, thank you.
That’s a coincidence. I told my wife when we first met, that I was ‘elite premium spec’. I think she had other ideas…I can’t remember.
Regarding squeezing in the car’s charge within 4hrs cheap rate, just set the car to your chosen maximum charge, to get you through the day. It’ll either reach it or not on the cheap rate.
For more control, (using the Tesla as you mentioned), set the ‘off peak’ end of charge time (in ‘departure’, say 04.00) and ‘start charging’ at 00.00, and you’ll have four hours worth at cheap rate.
Very nice car
Just as you mentioned it, a thought occurred to me. Does the lane keep assist actually mean that those people who like driving in the centre lane of the motorway have even less reason to move over? (same for all the cars with this "feature")
It makes no difference as it tries to keep you centred in whatever lane you're in.
@@MrEV yes. I think Ive had the Tesla complain at me when Ive tried to change lane when its on.... so I tend to leave it off now.
This is a good looking car, but it does reinforce my opinion that SUVs & X-overs are a like the reverse of a Tardis - lot of outside for comparatively little inside.
You have written exactly what I’m saying in the follow-up video I’m working on! I thought I was original with my “reverse Tardis” comment! 😔
To be fair though, this car is a particularly bad example. The Niro is a crossover which has much better packaging.
WTH?!? Pulling the shifter BACK goes into Drive and forward into Reverse/Backwards?!? Who makes that?!? But otherwise a nice car and again a cool short review. Thanks!
Interesting car. Looks like I’ve got more room in my ZOE though! 😬
Yes, the Zoe certainly feels a little bigger. Weird, eh?!
@@MrEV Sure is. Looking forward to seeing how you get on from a practically (family car) point of view.
Hi I got the Vauxhall Mokka e in green coming from Onto I get it on the 18th November
Let me know what you think of it!
I got the Id3 at the moment I got my first long road trip to do from Dorset to Ramsgate then visit Canterbury and good car parks with charging
I didn’t go for the Mokka in the end I was worried about the range for winter so I stuck with the Id3 but I did swap from life pro performance to the family pro performance and I love I love to be in one of your videos when I’m in the area 👍👍
Looking forward to your wife’s review 😂
oh me too, I almost live for her views, especially on this one.... lol 😀
I always enjoy your very informative videos. As I said before my wife has had one of these cars for over a year and loves it. Yes not a very big car but it’s fine for the two of us, and running around locally it’s very cheap if you have a home charger. I also have a BMW X1 25e if I charge it to full 31 miles and don’t use the car for a week most of that 31 miles drains away, anyone any ideas please.
Thanks Stuart. I wish I knew about your X1 battery draining like that. Is it constantly topping up the 12V?! Do you check the app often? I’ve no idea.
I’m confused here you had the ionq 5 , which you sold it . Then you replace it with a Tesla model 3 , now you have a Vauxhall . So I take your not buying any of these but are leasing them for the short term
Yes, both the Model 3 and this Mokka-e are both from Onto. You can subscribe to cars for as long as you want so it’s a great way of trying different EVs.
So could you drive it to Italy and have free charging? That said the charge cards I saw are only UK based, I think.
I could, yes. Onto do charge extra for taking it into Europe though. I’ll cover that in the Tesla video.
If you get a chance to review an Ora Cat we would value your opinion.
I certainly hope to! Lush interior that Cat has - I saw it at Fully Charged and was really impressed.
Ok now ring on Flaviana 😉😀😀!
The omission of a charge schedule completion time seems a bit strange as the Fiat 500e, also made by Stellantis, has three schedules that can be programmed to start and stop.
the citroen doesn't. The lack of that function eliminated it from our shortlist. at the time we didn't have a zappi but relied on the granny cable and in built timer on the leaf.
The 500e has much better software. Probably because it’s a dedicated EV platform? Maybe Fiat just wanted to do their own thing? Fair play to them - it’s much better.
How was the headroom in the back? Is it like the Kona? (none)
The headroom seems a bit better in the back from what I remember of the Kona? If anyone reads this and can confirm, please do!
The Shark is a weird thing they put in all their cars or something.. An Easter egg thing as I understand? My friends Vauxhall Adam has shark references also
I don't get Onto. Just looked into the cost of getting one of these per month and, even considering the downpayment and total costs, my leased, mid spec Ioniq 5 turns out cheaper a month.
It's too expensive as a service.
As for the car, it went straight out of contention the second I saw those back seats. 2 kids and holidays in the UK,... it would be a nightmare.
That’s interesting because when I looked on drive-electric.co.uk, the costs to lease a Mokka we’re pretty much as Onto stated in their comparison.
Do you mind me asking when you got your IONIQ 5? And where you leased it from?
@@MrEV leased it from DSG - a Hyundai dealership in Morecambe - agreed the price in March. £420 pcm with a £4k downpayment. Over 4 years, even adding insurance and combining with the downpayment and considering charging, it's still cheaper - and, as you know, bigger and generally better.
About £503 + £50 insurance. Breakdown cover already covered by my bank. Lease takes care of most of the maintenance.
£20 cheaper for a much better car. Onto just seems pricey. Yes, must add fuel cost but I'm on Octopus Go at 7p KWh so,...
Nice colour. probably ok as a second car or if you don't have kids.
Most European languages translate "Engine" into "Motor" or a similar word, such as Moteur in French. So Petrol or Electric, it's all a motor for most Europeans.
About 200 to 210 mi max range
How big is the froot?
0 litres
@@MrEV Such a large bonnet. :(
What does Flaviana think of it?
I’ll report back soon. We’ve not actually been out in it yet!
@@MrEV Excellent. Btw my son has his Tesla Model Y but made the mistake of saying “Ho ho ho”. He’s now trying to reverse the display of Santas sleigh (his car) where all those cars around him are reindeers. Equivalent of trying to get your SatNav back after someone’s switched it to Swedish…
Tesla does allow you to set a stop time by setting charge to a % I E 80%
if you have time control on your charger, why the need for it in a car Andrew
There are two issues: firstly, setting a schedule on a charger isn't always possible (our old one couldn't, in fact - our Zappi can, and I have it set-up with the timer). If it is possible, sometimes it's overly-complex.
Secondly, not everyone has a dedicated wallbox. I'm amazed how many people still have to rely on the granny charger.
So I do think it's an odd omission. Even my ancient Leaf has start and stop times!
I know flush rim are aero but also perfect for curbing, what out Mr EVs about 😂
I am still laughing. I am in the USA and know nothing about that car. You are right the color is a show stopper. I can’t wait to hear what the wife has to say about it once she has been driving it for a couple of weeks. It is no Ioniq 5. Which I have and totally enjoy it. I am betting it lasts maybe 3 months. The only variable will be the winter. I have no idea how cold or snowy it is where you are.
I think the same about all EVs, Never ever for me.
I drove up to a girl friend proud of my new Opel Astra GREEN, and she said, I not going in that!, why not.... "its Green"...was I upset or what...
That's disappointing. How long did that relationship last?! 😀
@@MrEV not long....🤣
Wow, that's tiny inside and has no storage. Looks amazing but I'd be tearing my hair out within 10 miles. Quite plastic fantastic too. Best Vauxhall was the VX220
i cant wait for EVs to get kless expensive. 650$ leasing is just absolutely insane to me. cheeky car though!
Yes - prices have shot up across the board sadly. My friend leases an e2008 and noticed its gone up almost £200 a month if she wanted another when her lease ends.
Nothing's free mate, it'll be included within the contract, BP doesn't hover anything for free!
Cars very similar to Peugeot..
Yes, free is perhaps the wrong word! “Included” would have been better. Still, with charging costs as they are, it represents good value.
And yes, Peugeot, Vauxhall, Citroen and DS all use the same platform so there’s a lot of shared DNA.
I don't like it. You will not beat the new Nero2 for its practical size, range and price. We have Kona and that's good too, but Nero2 better size and boot, and it tows.
The Niro remains a pretty perfect car. So much space in a reasonable footprint. Really the only real negative technically is that its charge speed is slow for today's standards.
That said, the efficiency is so good, it really doesn't matter too much.
Was torn between the Citroen eC4 and the Mokka e and definitely wanted this colour.
Went with the Citroen due to my back being damaged in a rear end shunt years ago and the Vauxhall has no hand grips above the doors to help me get in and out the eC4 does.
Also the boot button awkward to reach on the Mokka.
Vauxhall and Opel cars have had sharks since early 2000s, originally semi hidden in various places though. Seems to be more in the open now.
Still awaiting my Citroen delivery.
I think if my memory serves me well, I think the shark design comes from mk1 Corsa when the car designers young daughter asked her dad if he could put a shark in the car and Vauxhall said yes. If that's wrong please correct me. Regards Pete.
How ridiculous that it has a charge start time but not a stop time! The inside looks a bit "Vauxhall". i.e. a bit cheap looking.
Pulse/Instavolt/Shell charger cards ? Hmmmm…. I can charge my Tesla at a supercharger without a card / wallet or phone…
Yes, but if there's no Supercharger anywhere close - and the nearest to me is 45 minutes away - it's nice to know there's free charging at Pulse/Instavolt/Shell!
Frunk?
None. It’s a shared ICE/EV platform so not much in the way of internal space.
"I haven't released any content for a year but please subscribe" 😬
300l of boot seems very low for a daughter n a dog!
I don’t generally put my daughter in the boot! 😀
He's put out 5 videos just in the last month?? What a whingebag you are.
OMG I wouldn't want this for more than a month. A few hours would be bad enough. How could they even think of putting this on the market? !! 😖
First?😂
👏
Simply, it’s a really bad car.
Exactly. I had a test drive scheduled for an hour. After twenty minutes I was back at the dealer. It drives like an ice car nith really bad suspension. Shaking in curves and having a lackluster acceleration. All the typical fun of an ev is completely absent here.
@@whynotstartusingyourbrain8726 completely agree, it drives really badly, built and designed badly and the usability is even worse. I can’t believe that car was approved.
@@lukamih it's in the race for worst ev. However they are lucky that the Mazda MX 30 exists. If that wasn't the case they would win easily.
There is no such thing as a ‘green’ electric car!
No, but they're green-er!
@@MrEV 😂😂😂😂
Picks one of the worst, ugliest cars to replace a beautiful, hi tech Ioniq 5, crazy. Guess he hasn't heard of MG4. Lucky he can give it back.
it's not that bad? green is nice? But yeah MG4 no contest.
@@slavko321 Yeah itis a "THAT". Its battery range is a joke. As is styling, but the colour is cool as you said but you have to live with the dam thing and I commute 120 km daily. Its a city car and there are far better cars out there and coming up soon.
I’d have kept the IONIQ 5 if we could afford it. Onto don’t offer the MG4 yet but it seems like a great deal.
Engine and motor are used synonymously. There are some good article out there by engineering schools. Pointless zu get hung up on that. You might end up manifesting the same mental fences that annoy us so much about admirers of fossil propulsion...
What an ugly blue car is this.. But the green one ist beautyfull
I'll be honest... I'm very underwhelmed.
Seems clear to me you hate every aspect of the thing ... except maybe the colour. Personally I don't even like that.
Wow on the tiny interior and cheap cheap plastic everywhere. Also no storage.
Rubbish, I think is the sentiment you were searching for.
Oh well, you only have to live with it for a month ... Good luck with the next one.
Very uninspiring interior , cheap grey plastics everywhere.
Possible the new Ultimate edition is better in that respect?
Appliance 🤢🤮 💩
It's a crapbox.