The gun itself is pretty accurate but because yours is having accuracy issues you are posting a video,in my view what this does is it has a Chinese whispers effect which ends up with people going from this guys r12 isn’t very accurate to “I’ve heard those r12 BSA CLX pros are crap” which I don’t think is particularly fair “yes I know I don’t have to watch or listen” I just think you demonstrating your engineering prowess at the cost of a nice rifle is a little unfair and may cause the average guy in his local gunsmiths to turn around and walk away.
So you would rather we say the gun is fantastic even though we know it's far from it ? we buy a gun from a shop and try to be honest about the gun we have good or bad, we have done over 170 videos on lots of different makes and done machining on most of them so to suggest we say the gun is bad to show off some machining is just laughable, 170 + vids and i think we have done 2 that i would call bad guns so we managed to get plenty of machine work in on good guns. i am sorry you are unhappy that i showed the problems i had with my gun but it has helped a few people with the same problems so that has to be a good thing imo 👍
@@sub12airgunners wow you blow hot and cold that “so you would rather us say” line is a little childish if you are gonna put stuff out under the guise of someone who knows what they are doing just use a little tact me I’m just a voice you are affecting peoples choices .
Fantastic strip down but pi*s poor for BSA QC Department with Weihrauch catching them up ........ridiculous given the RRP for poor products ☹️.I wish you did mainstream tuning/servicing Jake I'd trust you on any of my PCP,s (Air Arms).Luckily mine are very reliable and thanks to you I service mine myself due to your video,s.Stay safe all the best.Tony.👍🇬🇧😁
Just to let you know I just tried my .177 ghost outdoors at 50yds and let me tell you I’m super stoked I used Zan 13g slugs and zeroed off target…I shot 3 card targets 6 shots in each target the bullseye being 20 mm all the shots went through each bull no flyers I’m really impressed didn’t think they would shoot at all.
Great skills and fantastic commentary👌🏻 The AT seems excessive and will probably stop most owners attempting their own maintenance which is a shame! Looking forward to seeing the next instalment and the reason for the inaccuracy👍🏻
Genius tear down as usual Jake. I think most would come unstuck searching for the ATs and butcher the block 😊 Whilst it's encouraging to see that BSA have binned the original troubled reg design, it's sad that the finishing on the latest version isn't quite up to par, especially for the price) ATs are a controversial subject, but to fit an AT that prevents removal of the barrel is a special kind of twisted idiocy, as often the best way to clean a barrel is to remove it. Looking forward to the 'improvements' ❤
You are amazing sir !!! Your knowledge is second to none !!!! Please 1 day can you show the kral puncher armour full strip down !!! Bizzare thing !!! Cheers keep the great reviews coming
Great and very informative video, with all these anti-tampers in place. I am glad I did not purchase a R12 which I was looking at couple of months ago👍🏼
I own a R12 CLX Pro in .177 and shoot at Pete’s with it. I certainly enjoy shooting it and find its accuracy more than acceptable. I think some miss hits are more me than the rifle, however, it’s interesting to see what you’re finding. It is such a shame with regard to the AT’s as albeit I don’t classify myself as someone able to service the rifle, it will undoubtedly increase service price. A shame manufacturers don’t look at the long term picture beyond just the purchase. Once again thank you for your detailed videos.
yes i have shot 2 now that have been spot on, just about everybody at the range has shot this one and come to the same conclusion it's just not good🙄 it is a shame they a bit hit and miss but we are working out what needs doing to sort it out 😀😀
Brilliant as always, tremendous about of detailed information in a relatively short video, best on you tube by a mile ,thank you for taking the time to make all these great videos.
Impressive AND entertaining .. and very interesting that's for sure .. and YES I watch ALL your vids with enthusiasm , that said , you lost me after the stock bolt removal ..
BSA always were a bit keen with their anti-tampers, but they really have gone to town on this one. I can see the brass tube for the barrel causing a lot of frustration. Wonder how they work on the rifles themselves, or do they just throw away the block and put a new one on? Great steady video of the strip down, thanks for sharing. 👍👍
Great clear disassembly demonstration with great instructions and advice (Very professional). I am sure this assist most people from damaging their rifle. Valve housing exit ports are poor, wasting air, and together with transfer port I have to wonder what they were thinking. There are so many more efficient and simple valve/tfr port designs on the market (do they also think a square wheel is better than a round wheel?). The only R10 I worked on benefitted from a shortened spring/hammer arrangement to make it free floating, reducing wasted air. Apart from barrel crown/polish etc, looking forward to see what you will need and want to change.
lots of the inside of the R12 looks like r10 just done a little different, the light hammer is spoiled by the long soft hammer spring with a ton of pre-load the reg is better but they could have done so much more IMO 🙄 thanks for watching and taking the time to comment
Hi Geoff,another great informative video,they certainly don't want anyone getting into the rifle as you said,but if your able to remove the anti tampers like you do than again as you explained what's the point,i think having seen you take apart a lot of rifles,this one seems quite complicated and very anti self servicing to the customer compared say to an FX Impact,still i know that you'll definitely improve on it so I'm very much looking to your next video,thanks for sharing your expert knowledge with all of us,kind regards,Phil.
Jake, can you stick a close up of the transfer port restrictor in the next vid please. It looked slightly different to the ultra i had here,but that was over a year ago.... A few lads have said that the anti double load mech, apart from bending and marring up the block can cause some consistency issues. I didnt pay any attention to wether it might or might not,but would be keen to know your thoughts on it.😉
Great watch as always. This may be a stupid question,but how do rfd’s get past the anti tampers? Do they have to drill them out? Do they replace the caps?👍👍👍
i think most rfd's will just send this one back to bsa all the time it has a warranty, after that i think it will depend on the rfd some will and some won't
A nice and clear tutorial - the brass splined abomination is really rather silly. Are they on all varieties? Just thinking that on the super carbine, it would stop someone putting a longer barrel on and upping the power without any other changes? if its on all, then I'll go back to it being silly 🙂 In terms of the hammer weight, interesting it was a couple of grams lighter....ow does the hammer spring compare in your experience? If the hammer is lighter, are they using a stronger spring? keep up the good work.
i think the brass tube is on all of them mate just seems silly to me 🙄 the hammer spring is the same or maybe just a tad heaver as the R10 so to make it work they have to put a ton of pre-load on the hammer spring 🙄 that's why we still here the bounce 😳
Question, do you pre disassemble these guns before you shows all of the ends and outs or look at schematics on them? You are really good at what you do and also a real good machinist, I enjoy watching your videos👍👍👍👍
we pre disassemble, mainly so we can inspect all the components so we can give a good idea of what your getting and keep the video as short as pos 😀 thanks for watching 😁
Great video as always, is it fair comment to say I’m a little disappointed at the quality and finish of some of the parts ? After all this is not a cheap air rifle,from premium brand ??
I hope you are still watching this video,so able to answer a question please. I have a R10 and removed the tamper on that with basic tools.a hand held electric drill,it went ok. i would love to buy the r12 BUT the amount of anti tampers stops that. but i keep coming back to wanting one. are the anti tampers on this (4 to be drilled) as easy to drill as the r10? i would have trouble using a large bit, i drilled a smallish hole on the r10,screwed a self tapper in and used pliers to pull the plug out.the brass tube looks very easy to do,thanks
you will be able to get them all out with a hand drill just like the r10 the only tricky one would be the barrel port but you should be able to wind a screw in and pull it out
I've pulled out the pin and removed the barrel fine a month ago. I've come back to remove it again and it's stuck on absolutely solid. How would you go about removing this? Heat gun the barrel?
I cannot even see how a dealer is going to be able to do much with the guns. Anti-tamper that has a tool is one thing. This solution looks very hard to deal with.
It’s interesting how you always mostly pic popular guns that are liked by lots of users yet still try and use a smear job using terms and tolerances that most people would not give a rats about sounds more like an exercise in “look at me and my skills video”
Why is it that most people that own these guns find them extremely accurate like 12 shots on a thumbnail at 30mtrs…….I shan’t watch anymore of your videos and in parting I think you are giving people ideas that will lead to accidents and good guns that no longer work.
I think if you look around youtube for vids NOT ADVERTS or a local range you will see that lots of people are have problems with this gun, BSA have recalled it once to sort some of the problems out so i don't think all are as happy as you think the one we have is very disappointing
@@sub12airgunnersso you are a Bona fide bsa trained design engineer…….nearer the truth you are a time served “face” who knows how to set up a lathe and mill inconel and you can take stuff to bits and put it back together along with your opinion on “well if I’d designed it the thing would have blah blah”
@@peterprice5896 you don't need to be a Bona fide trained engineer to tell the gun will not group, the 8/9 people that shot it at the range couldn't do better than a 2in group !! that is not good for any pcp let alone a £1250.00 one 🙄
Lol you must be the only bloke that gets new fx ad BSA ad that got problems 😊 just tell the truth m8 your like me got to strip a new gun down see whats changed !! Its your gun can do with it what you like 😂 just don't say there some problems when there's not !!!
Mate I work in a gun shop and all the fx pantheras we have sold and that's over 20 have all gone back to fx with accuracy issues,and bsa are renowned for being overpriced for what you actually get
🤣 oh there's lots of problems with them and it's not just us, ask someone at FX how the last batch of .177 are going they will know they have most of them back 😂 😂 the r12 just do a search i think we have less problems than most 🤣
My local gun shop stopped selling FX as they were so unreliable and upset so many customers it just wasn’t worth the trouble. Fx Generally bought by newbies he said who get a bad experience with their new purchase 😔 give up and try a new hobby. Not good thing for repeat business for gun shop, happy customers keep coming back
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The gun itself is pretty accurate but because yours is having accuracy issues you are posting a video,in my view what this does is it has a Chinese whispers effect which ends up with people going from this guys r12 isn’t very accurate to “I’ve heard those r12 BSA CLX pros are crap” which I don’t think is particularly fair “yes I know I don’t have to watch or listen” I just think you demonstrating your engineering prowess at the cost of a nice rifle is a little unfair and may cause the average guy in his local gunsmiths to turn around and walk away.
So you would rather we say the gun is fantastic even though we know it's far from it ? we buy a gun from a shop and try to be honest about the gun we have good or bad, we have done over 170 videos on lots of different makes and done machining on most of them so to suggest we say the gun is bad to show off some machining is just laughable, 170 + vids and i think we have done 2 that i would call bad guns so we managed to get plenty of machine work in on good guns. i am sorry you are unhappy that i showed the problems i had with my gun but it has helped a few people with the same problems so that has to be a good thing imo 👍
Karen
Standard carp fisherman mentality you know the types the blokes with the latest gear and terminology “yes this is a veiled comment”.
@@sub12airgunners wow you blow hot and cold that “so you would rather us say” line is a little childish if you are gonna put stuff out under the guise of someone who knows what they are doing just use a little tact me I’m just a voice you are affecting peoples choices .
@@Beef0121do1 and as for you we’ll go buy another box of Kleenex little boy!!!!
Fantastic strip down but pi*s poor for BSA QC Department with Weihrauch catching them up ........ridiculous given the RRP for poor products ☹️.I wish you did mainstream tuning/servicing Jake I'd trust you on any of my PCP,s (Air Arms).Luckily mine are very reliable and thanks to you I service mine myself due to your video,s.Stay safe all the best.Tony.👍🇬🇧😁
thank you and thanks for watching 👍
Just to let you know I just tried my .177 ghost outdoors at 50yds and let me tell you I’m super stoked I used Zan 13g slugs and zeroed off target…I shot 3 card targets 6 shots in each target the bullseye being 20 mm all the shots went through each bull no flyers I’m really impressed didn’t think they would shoot at all.
the Ghost is a fantastic gun for sure 😀
Great skills and fantastic commentary👌🏻
The AT seems excessive and will probably stop most owners attempting their own maintenance which is a shame!
Looking forward to seeing the next instalment and the reason for the inaccuracy👍🏻
yes it's really going to put some off, thanks for watching 👍
Genius tear down as usual Jake. I think most would come unstuck searching for the ATs and butcher the block 😊 Whilst it's encouraging to see that BSA have binned the original troubled reg design, it's sad that the finishing on the latest version isn't quite up to par, especially for the price) ATs are a controversial subject, but to fit an AT that prevents removal of the barrel is a special kind of twisted idiocy, as often the best way to clean a barrel is to remove it. Looking forward to the 'improvements' ❤
yes i will make servicing very expensive when the warranty is out and will stop a lot of shops doing easy fixes for the customer
A very good disassembly tutorial there 🙂 The transfer port AT is ridiculous! I look forward to you next instalment ....
thanks mate 😀
You are amazing sir !!! Your knowledge is second to none !!!! Please 1 day can you show the kral puncher armour full strip down !!! Bizzare thing !!! Cheers keep the great reviews coming
thank you and thanks for watching 😀
Great and very informative video, with all these anti-tampers in place. I am glad I did not purchase a R12 which I was looking at couple of months ago👍🏼
yes mate they don't want you to get inside this one 😀
Exactly it mate
Another fantastic video. So very interesting. Also hope that in the future you guys consider doing a Steyr Pro X... That would be super interesting!
thank you, it is on the list 👍
I own a R12 CLX Pro in .177 and shoot at Pete’s with it. I certainly enjoy shooting it and find its accuracy more than acceptable. I think some miss hits are more me than the rifle, however, it’s interesting to see what you’re finding. It is such a shame with regard to the AT’s as albeit I don’t classify myself as someone able to service the rifle, it will undoubtedly increase service price. A shame manufacturers don’t look at the long term picture beyond just the purchase. Once again thank you for your detailed videos.
yes i have shot 2 now that have been spot on, just about everybody at the range has shot this one and come to the same conclusion it's just not good🙄 it is a shame they a bit hit and miss but we are working out what needs doing to sort it out 😀😀
Brilliant as always, tremendous about of detailed information in a relatively short video, best on you tube by a mile ,thank you for taking the time to make all these great videos.
thank you very much glad you like them 😁
Always a interesting an very informative watch Jeff, we learn so much from you, so a great big thank you, Cheers 👌👌👌👌👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
thank you and thanks for watching 😀
Superb video as always, looking forward to the follow up 👌🏼
thank you and thanks for watching
Sub12 Airgunners videos are truly awesome. A tonic for all home airgun fixers. Thanks big time, Baz.
thank you very much 👍
Impressive AND entertaining .. and very interesting that's for sure .. and YES I watch ALL your vids with enthusiasm , that said , you lost me after the stock bolt removal ..
🤣 glad you like them 😀
Watching straight away after seeing the notification Geoff! Dont even know what you're doing yet!😁👍
thank you 😀
Another great video with a good diy attitude. Yea. Who needs warranties when it is just best to fix it yerself..😁👍🏻👍🏻
thanks for watching 👍
BSA always were a bit keen with their anti-tampers, but they really have gone to town on this one. I can see the brass tube for the barrel causing a lot of frustration. Wonder how they work on the rifles themselves, or do they just throw away the block and put a new one on? Great steady video of the strip down, thanks for sharing. 👍👍
it will make servicing expensive later down the line 👍
Great video rearly informative now I fully know whats inside my R12. Thanks you
Thanks for watching 😀
Your talent continues to impress but this BSA does not.
thank you and thanks for watching
I have two R10s fitted with your stainless steel pellet probes, lightened hammers and Huma regulators. After watching this, I'll not be buying an R12!
The r10 is a great gun with that setup, thank for watching
Great clear disassembly demonstration with great instructions and advice (Very professional). I am sure this assist most people from damaging their rifle.
Valve housing exit ports are poor, wasting air, and together with transfer port I have to wonder what they were thinking. There are so many more efficient and simple valve/tfr port designs on the market (do they also think a square wheel is better than a round wheel?).
The only R10 I worked on benefitted from a shortened spring/hammer arrangement to make it free floating, reducing wasted air.
Apart from barrel crown/polish etc, looking forward to see what you will need and want to change.
lots of the inside of the R12 looks like r10 just done a little different, the light hammer is spoiled by the long soft hammer spring with a ton of pre-load the reg is better but they could have done so much more IMO 🙄 thanks for watching and taking the time to comment
Hi Geoff,another great informative video,they certainly don't want anyone getting into the rifle as you said,but if your able to remove the anti tampers like you do than again as you explained what's the point,i think having seen you take apart a lot of rifles,this one seems quite complicated and very anti self servicing to the customer compared say to an FX Impact,still i know that you'll definitely improve on it so I'm very much looking to your next video,thanks for sharing your expert knowledge with all of us,kind regards,Phil.
yes when it's under warranty your ok but when that's out this one will be a tricky one for people
Great video as ever Jake ,really interested to see what you find that is affecting the accuracy.
thank you and thanks for watching
Great video and explained perfect just brilliant
thank you very much 😀
Awesome video thanks for sharing 👍🏻
Thanks for watching
Another very helpful video well done boys👏
thanks mate 😁
Thank you for the video, mate I enjoyed it
thank you glad you liked it 👍
Awesome video fella 👍🇬🇧
thank you glad you liked it 👍
That stock looks great to start with. Maybe the brass tube is to locate the barrel forwards and backwards , they certainly dont want you in there.
i don't think it's a good enough fit for that bit it could be 😀
and nobody makes a comment about the absolute grail of a meteor he's got going on there - mama mia - chef's kiss :-)
AHH another watch man 👍😀
Jake, can you stick a close up of the transfer port restrictor in the next vid please. It looked slightly different to the ultra i had here,but that was over a year ago....
A few lads have said that the anti double load mech, apart from bending and marring up the block can cause some consistency issues. I didnt pay any attention to wether it might or might not,but would be keen to know your thoughts on it.😉
will do😀 and we will have a look at the anti double load mech👍
Sound is fine for me
thanks mate
Great watch as always. This may be a stupid question,but how do rfd’s get past the anti tampers? Do they have to drill them out? Do they replace the caps?👍👍👍
Good question 👀
I wonder what BSA's thinking is behind the anti tamper versus servicing the rifle....seems a little daft that they've done that.
i think most rfd's will just send this one back to bsa all the time it has a warranty, after that i think it will depend on the rfd some will and some won't
A nice and clear tutorial - the brass splined abomination is really rather silly. Are they on all varieties? Just thinking that on the super carbine, it would stop someone putting a longer barrel on and upping the power without any other changes? if its on all, then I'll go back to it being silly 🙂 In terms of the hammer weight, interesting it was a couple of grams lighter....ow does the hammer spring compare in your experience? If the hammer is lighter, are they using a stronger spring? keep up the good work.
i think the brass tube is on all of them mate just seems silly to me 🙄 the hammer spring is the same or maybe just a tad heaver as the R10 so to make it work they have to put a ton of pre-load on the hammer spring 🙄 that's why we still here the bounce 😳
Excellent
Thank you so much 😀
Question, do you pre disassemble these guns before you shows all of the ends and outs or look at schematics on them? You are really good at what you do and also a real good machinist, I enjoy watching your videos👍👍👍👍
we pre disassemble, mainly so we can inspect all the components so we can give a good idea of what your getting and keep the video as short as pos 😀 thanks for watching 😁
Great video as always, is it fair comment to say I’m a little disappointed at the quality and finish of some of the parts ? After all this is not a cheap air rifle,from premium brand ??
yes some of the bits are a bit rough
Typically British, rather neat but a little complicated. Overall, I do like this rifle.
yes i agree 😀 it will be a very nice gun
How many rifles have you got Jeff you must have a shed load 😉 good video as usual 👍
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😂 when we finish the vids we sell the rifle to fund the next one, so we just keep moving them on one in one out 😀
@sub12airgunners I was wondering 🤔 I thought that you had a massive stash lol.all the best 👌
I hope you are still watching this video,so able to answer a question please. I have a R10 and removed the tamper on that with basic tools.a hand held electric drill,it went ok. i would love to buy the r12 BUT the amount of anti tampers stops that. but i keep coming back to wanting one. are the anti tampers on this (4 to be drilled) as easy to drill as the r10? i would have trouble using a large bit, i drilled a smallish hole on the r10,screwed a self tapper in and used pliers to pull the plug out.the brass tube looks very easy to do,thanks
you will be able to get them all out with a hand drill just like the r10 the only tricky one would be the barrel port but you should be able to wind a screw in and pull it out
So how do you adjust the hammer spring
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thanks for watching
Can you adjust the hammer sping by removing the safety catch or does everything else have to be removed cheers
I've pulled out the pin and removed the barrel fine a month ago. I've come back to remove it again and it's stuck on absolutely solid. How would you go about removing this? Heat gun the barrel?
I am guessing that my ultra CLX has the same anti tamper stopping me removing barrel.. why stop you removing barrel? It makes re crowning a lot easier
yes i would think so or something similar 👍
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😀 thanks
Quick question, what hex key's do you use? Thanks
we use EDS hex keys they are really good quality been using them for years
Thanks
I'm not sure the sound works? Maybe its my dodgy internet?
Looking forward to this one though, many thanks.
Got it now, panic over 😂
I had problem with sound to start off with.
Have you ever done a video on a bsa defiant strip down. I can not find one anywhere
Hi, no sorry we haven't had a Defiant yet
That's a shame would be good to watch so I could do my oun
Is it just me or does it seem very complicated compared to other guns ,
yes there are lots of bits 😀
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Too many anti tampers and loctite malarkey. It’s almost like BSA don’t even want to get into the rifle themselves 😂
yes mate you do have to work to get in them 😂
I cannot even see how a dealer is going to be able to do much with the guns. Anti-tamper that has a tool is one thing. This solution looks very hard to deal with.
Bsa have really gone down hill
i really wanted this to be the gun the R10 could have been, but BSA seem to move forward in one way and backwords in another 🙄 thanks for watching
It’s interesting how you always mostly pic popular guns that are liked by lots of users yet still try and use a smear job using terms and tolerances that most people would not give a rats about sounds more like an exercise in “look at me and my skills video”
Why is it that most people that own these guns find them extremely accurate like 12 shots on a thumbnail at 30mtrs…….I shan’t watch anymore of your videos and in parting I think you are giving people ideas that will lead to accidents and good guns that no longer work.
I think if you look around youtube for vids NOT ADVERTS or a local range you will see that lots of people are have problems with this gun, BSA have recalled it once to sort some of the problems out so i don't think all are as happy as you think the one we have is very disappointing
@@sub12airgunnersso you are a Bona fide bsa trained design engineer…….nearer the truth you are a time served “face” who knows how to set up a lathe and mill inconel and you can take stuff to bits and put it back together along with your opinion on “well if I’d designed it the thing would have blah blah”
You are a smart fella I just think you should maybe keep your ideas at the pub or shed.
@@peterprice5896 you don't need to be a Bona fide trained engineer to tell the gun will not group, the 8/9 people that shot it at the range couldn't do better than a 2in group !! that is not good for any pcp let alone a £1250.00 one 🙄
Lol you must be the only bloke that gets new fx ad BSA ad that got problems 😊 just tell the truth m8 your like me got to strip a new gun down see whats changed !! Its your gun can do with it what you like 😂 just don't say there some problems when there's not !!!
Mate I work in a gun shop and all the fx pantheras we have sold and that's over 20 have all gone back to fx with accuracy issues,and bsa are renowned for being overpriced for what you actually get
🤣 oh there's lots of problems with them and it's not just us, ask someone at FX how the last batch of .177 are going they will know they have most of them back 😂 😂 the r12 just do a search i think we have less problems than most 🤣
My local gun shop stopped selling FX as they were so unreliable and upset so many customers it just wasn’t worth the trouble. Fx Generally bought by newbies he said who get a bad experience with their new purchase 😔 give up and try a new hobby.
Not good thing for repeat business for gun shop, happy customers keep coming back
hello i wonder if when they were building this rifle if they were thinking this one will trick Sub 12 . 😃
😂 maybe 😂 thanks for watching