I have an R12 in 177 and clx in 22 I have not had any issues to date but since watching this one of my 177 mag is much tighter than the other. This has been so useful and thank you for the time to share this with us.....
On my Ultra clx i used a dremmel to cut the O ring seat a tad deeper, i also didn’t tighten the spring quite so far, that mag is now perfect smooth as silk. Second replacement mag without the alterations is rough loading and feels terrible. Looks like the dremmel is coming out again.
No problems with my R12 PRO in .177. Mags hold pellets firmly with no rattle when shaken hard. My R10SE in .177, again never had issues with gun or mags. Brilliant rifles in my opinion.
Yea my r10 is probably my best absolutely love that .. there are a few r12s at my club that are faultless .. I do believe they are discontinued or about too for the replacement slx pro flash sale also at airgun centre under a grand ..
Great video. I have the same problem with my clx ultra also in 177. It jammed and i sent it back to bsa, they had it for 6 weeks. They cleared the jammed pellets and sent it back with the same magazine!
Cheers for the heads up I’m about to put my last payment on a BSA r12 CLX PRO in walnut with an optisan scope so I’ll keep an eye on my mags they are .177 too 👍
I have the ultra in .22 and the se in .22 iv never had a problem saying that people must of had problems so are say thanks for doing this video I have learned something good
one thing i noticed after you had loaded the mag, the first pellet you put in fell out but when the mag is full they wount fall out because the hole in the outer case does not line up with the inner hole that the pellet fits into , so i would move the inner wheel back a shade to line up with the outer hole, then try and see if they fall out, i done this with mine and all 12 fell out
It could be that BSA's magazine supplier is using multiple sub-makers, or BSA, are using multiple suppliers. Maybe because of all the lingering supply problems caused by covid. And some are more accurately toleranced than others. I've had similar problems with sub-makers, and it would explain that some people and not others are having trouble. I was about to buy a 177 R10 - TH, but I'm now leaning more toward an AA 510 or Weihrauch HW100T.
The mags are utter sh*t, saying that they dont make the mags is an opt out as they are supplying them as part of their product, they are the same in my ultra CLX and I thought about sticking them in the lathe and deepen the 'O' ring groove a little, but there isnt enough material on them. This will in theory be my second BSA, my first and my last.
I had exactly the same problem with accuracy . It’s because some of the mags don’t fully align the pellets properly when cocking and just slightly clips the pellet skirt , causing poor accuracy . On one of my mags , it was always the first shot that was a flyer .
After watching your first video, watching this has certainly helped 😊 i think ill just get directly in touch with BSA, im liable to lose my temper with airgun centre 😂
Yea they are not the best to deal with if there is a problem ... I no longer use them hope you get it sorted .. Mine had a few issues the probe didn't line up tidy the magazines are garbage ... The slx r12 I'm waiting to get my hands on to see if the issues with the clx as been addressed with this
I have owned bsa guns got rid of all because none of the magazines work properly dont line up with the barrel unless you send them to be blueprinted more money i have gone the single shot way far more accurate !
So they came from “user error” on a lit of peoples complaints to “okay it’s actually on us”. I have a leaky R10 (hissing at the fill port) that I used for less then a month, and are tempted to trade it in in favor for a R12 in .22
From what I can see it’s either a small difference in the hole but I’m not sure how they are made are they pressed or CNC made also maybe the O rings are not of a high enough quality to keep the diameter consistent ?
I have had the same problem with the ultra clx, .177 cal, and the where that loose that the mag jammed up several times, so my question is are bsa going to replace those of us r/10/12 clx rifles with new mags, or have we got to dip in our pockets and buy new ones ?? at £60 a each,,, Cheers
Thinking of purchasing an R12.... I have concerns about the reliability of BSA guns. Following your videos, were the new mags working correctly and your long term thoughts on the gun? Cheers
No the new mags didn't work either it wasn't just the mag in the end the probe didn't line up .. if you look in airgun centre they are doing a flash sale on them because I think the slx will replace them hopefully correcting all the issues
@@sibfishingadventuresuk1558 thank you for the prompt reply 😊 yes I noticed they had a flash sale on, rang alarm bells tbh. Top man... Fellow Welshman too 👍🏽
Did you ever find out if the manufacturing issue has now since been resolved? I’d love an R12, but I wouldn’t want to end up with these problematic magazines.
There are still issues at my club with the same rifles ( new) clx im not 100% what they have done about this but they released the slx r12 which if your read between the lines on the what's new and what's changed its putting right what the clx had wrong , wouldn't surprise me if they discontinue the clx
@@sibfishingadventuresuk1558Thanks for that bit of insight. It sounds as though I’d be better off steering clear until their quality control improves. Maybe the HW110 would be a better alternative.
I like to know where they get the prices from ,,, 60quid for the clx magazines,, when a more really expensive guns are half that price,, mines a clx ultra not be buying another bsa
Have you measured the pellet hole ? It looks like a .22 mag with a deeper recess for a thicker section Oring to take up the difference between .22-.177. I have the original all metal/alloy mags and never had one pellet drop out in the 10/15 years of owning the ultra multi .22
Seems like BSA just keeps turning out rifles with faults and are not interested in producing a product that can preform in the field. I’ve owned two BSA r10se rifles and both had issues with magazine poor groupings , Zero the rifle 👍, then for no apparent reason the groupings shift. Checked the MTC scope on my Hw 100 and no issues with the scope. Sadly both R10se rifles I owned were not fit for purpose. Hw or Air arms, or Daystate for me , basically anything that is reliable and consistent.
Me too .. I had a refund what an absolute shame because the rifle actually is comfortable but what a bag of sh*te . I've a few rifles but this was a massive disappointment. Recently picked up a plinker for the garden hatsan flash as cheap as they come budget wise but pellet on pellet. I really hope the evolution of the r12 sorts this issue and I might return
Everyone can make a magazine that doesn't require you to stay perfectly level at all times and holds pellets regardless how many is left...production and testing is obviously filled with people who never spent a day in the open plinking away... probaly some bloke who worries more about kissing a$$ then giving an honest opinion
Hi, thanks for the info on the bsa magazines. I have just ordered a .177 R12 and I am considering cancelling my order given the issues you have been having. Did BSA say they are just working on it, or that they have resolved it? Thanks.
As far as I'm aware they tighten the tolerances on the mags but no , someone had there new rifle yesterday and the same issue persists unsure if it's a newer one but it's a new rifle
Problem is they still selling this rifle like as is ... You would have thought they would recall all and fix but no.. I was at the range this week and n members/rifles still having issues
Send it back contact your RFD if not ring bsa costumer services there aren't new mags available yet so the issue won't be fixed, I'm hopeful the evolution of the rifle will get rid of these issues .. who was your RFD ?
I have an R12 in 177 and clx in 22 I have not had any issues to date but since watching this one of my 177 mag is much tighter than the other. This has been so useful and thank you for the time to share this with us.....
On my Ultra clx i used a dremmel to cut the O ring seat a tad deeper, i also didn’t tighten the spring quite so far, that mag is now perfect smooth as silk. Second replacement mag without the alterations is rough loading and feels terrible. Looks like the dremmel is coming out again.
No problems with my R12 PRO in .177. Mags hold pellets firmly with no rattle when shaken hard. My R10SE in .177, again never had issues with gun or mags. Brilliant rifles in my opinion.
Yea my r10 is probably my best absolutely love that .. there are a few r12s at my club that are faultless .. I do believe they are discontinued or about too for the replacement slx pro flash sale also at airgun centre under a grand ..
Great that they’ve tried to help you , good old RUclips gets it out there , cheers Shane uk 🇬🇧
Great video. I have the same problem with my clx ultra also in 177. It jammed and i sent it back to bsa, they had it for 6 weeks. They cleared the jammed pellets and sent it back with the same magazine!
Cheers for the heads up I’m about to put my last payment on a BSA r12 CLX PRO in walnut with an optisan scope so I’ll keep an eye on my mags they are .177 too 👍
I have the ultra in .22 and the se in .22 iv never had a problem saying that people must of had problems so are say thanks for doing this video I have learned something good
one thing i noticed after you had loaded the mag, the first pellet you put in fell out but when the mag is full they wount fall out because the hole in the outer case does not line up with the inner hole that the pellet fits into , so i would move the inner wheel back a shade to line up with the outer hole, then try and see if they fall out, i done this with mine and all 12 fell out
It could be that BSA's magazine supplier is using multiple sub-makers, or BSA, are using multiple suppliers. Maybe because of all the lingering supply problems caused by covid. And some are more accurately toleranced than others. I've had similar problems with sub-makers, and it would explain that some people and not others are having trouble.
I was about to buy a 177 R10 - TH, but I'm now leaning more toward an AA 510 or Weihrauch HW100T.
Amazing what service you get when you do a RUclips video
The mags are utter sh*t, saying that they dont make the mags is an opt out as they are supplying them as part of their product, they are the same in my ultra CLX and I thought about sticking them in the lathe and deepen the 'O' ring groove a little, but there isnt enough material on them. This will in theory be my second BSA, my first and my last.
I had exactly the same problem with accuracy . It’s because some of the mags don’t fully align the pellets properly when cocking and just slightly clips the pellet skirt , causing poor accuracy . On one of my mags , it was always the first shot that was a flyer .
Yea that's exactly what's happening I think
After watching your first video, watching this has certainly helped 😊 i think ill just get directly in touch with BSA, im liable to lose my temper with airgun centre 😂
Yea they are not the best to deal with if there is a problem ... I no longer use them hope you get it sorted ..
Mine had a few issues the probe didn't line up tidy the magazines are garbage ... The slx r12 I'm waiting to get my hands on to see if the issues with the clx as been addressed with this
the grove the O-ring sits in wasnt cut deep enough to hold the pellet , the later version were
The latest versions still having the same issue 🫣
@@sibfishingadventuresuk1558 what a F up
I was bequeathed a CLX pro , just got it , seems to work fine
I have owned bsa guns got rid of all because none of the magazines work properly dont line up with the barrel unless you send them to be blueprinted more money i have gone the single shot way far more accurate !
The boys at the air gun Center tell you all sorts . Not impressed with them
So they came from “user error” on a lit of peoples complaints to “okay it’s actually on us”.
I have a leaky R10 (hissing at the fill port) that I used for less then a month, and are tempted to trade it in in favor for a R12 in .22
I had the same and it was a faulty gauge ,replaced it and now ok
From what I can see it’s either a small difference in the hole but I’m not sure how they are made are they pressed or CNC made also maybe the O rings are not of a high enough quality to keep the diameter consistent ?
I think the groove where the o ring sits needs to to be deeper
it cos when the mags are full all the pellets push on the oring and stretch it out more than when half full or less
I have had the same problem with the ultra clx, .177 cal, and the where that loose that the mag jammed up several times, so my question is are bsa going to replace those of us r/10/12 clx rifles with new mags, or have we got to dip in our pockets and buy new ones ?? at £60 a each,,, Cheers
There are no new magazines atm don't believe what you read online .. I sent my r12 but some are being recalled now because of reg problems ..
@@sibfishingadventuresuk1558 Ok thanks for the info, Cheers
I think the groove where the o ring sits needs to be deeper
so does that mean it's not user error like the Air gun centre told you🙄🙄 glad you got it sorted in the end
Definitely not user error lol
Pleased to hear you got the problem resolved.
Thinking of purchasing an R12.... I have concerns about the reliability of BSA guns. Following your videos, were the new mags working correctly and your long term thoughts on the gun? Cheers
No the new mags didn't work either it wasn't just the mag in the end the probe didn't line up .. if you look in airgun centre they are doing a flash sale on them because I think the slx will replace them hopefully correcting all the issues
@@sibfishingadventuresuk1558 thank you for the prompt reply 😊 yes I noticed they had a flash sale on, rang alarm bells tbh. Top man... Fellow Welshman too 👍🏽
Did you ever find out if the manufacturing issue has now since been resolved? I’d love an R12, but I wouldn’t want to end up with these problematic magazines.
There are still issues at my club with the same rifles ( new) clx im not 100% what they have done about this but they released the slx r12 which if your read between the lines on the what's new and what's changed its putting right what the clx had wrong , wouldn't surprise me if they discontinue the clx
@@sibfishingadventuresuk1558Thanks for that bit of insight. It sounds as though I’d be better off steering clear until their quality control improves. Maybe the HW110 would be a better alternative.
My clx ultra .177 has been returned to for the second time same pellet jamming problem.
Who was your rfd ? It needs a major revamp the rifle block and the mags
@@sibfishingadventuresuk1558 it's now hopefully back with bsa, cheers.
I like to know where they get the prices from ,,, 60quid for the clx magazines,, when a more really expensive guns are half that price,, mines a clx ultra not be buying another bsa
I had a similar issue and gave up in the end and swapped gun to an HW100
Have you measured the pellet hole ? It looks like a .22 mag with a deeper recess for a thicker section Oring to take up the difference between .22-.177. I have the original all metal/alloy mags and never had one pellet drop out in the 10/15 years of owning the ultra multi .22
Seems like BSA just keeps turning out rifles with faults and are not interested in producing a product that can preform in the field. I’ve owned two BSA r10se rifles and both had issues with magazine poor groupings , Zero the rifle 👍, then for no apparent reason the groupings shift. Checked the MTC scope on my Hw 100 and no issues with the scope.
Sadly both R10se rifles I owned were not fit for purpose.
Hw or Air arms, or Daystate for me , basically anything that is reliable and consistent.
Won’t touch BSA again after probs with the R12. Have had a refund and I am now the proud owner of an Air Arms.
Me too .. I had a refund what an absolute shame because the rifle actually is comfortable but what a bag of sh*te . I've a few rifles but this was a massive disappointment. Recently picked up a plinker for the garden hatsan flash as cheap as they come budget wise but pellet on pellet.
I really hope the evolution of the r12 sorts this issue and I might return
Everyone can make a magazine that doesn't require you to stay perfectly level at all times and holds pellets regardless how many is left...production and testing is obviously filled with people who never spent a day in the open plinking away... probaly some bloke who worries more about kissing a$$ then giving an honest opinion
Hi, thanks for the info on the bsa magazines. I have just ordered a .177 R12 and I am considering cancelling my order given the issues you have been having. Did BSA say they are just working on it, or that they have resolved it? Thanks.
Yes please see my other video .since that I've not at any issues at all
Have bsa sorted the magazine problem yet on their new rifles?
As far as I'm aware they tighten the tolerances on the mags but no , someone had there new rifle yesterday and the same issue persists unsure if it's a newer one but it's a new rifle
@@sibfishingadventuresuk1558
Thanks for the info.
Come on bsa sort yourself out!
All it would take is to make the o-ring Grove a little deeper.
If only ...
Why do manufacturers only act when they get bad publicity
Problem is they still selling this rifle like as is ... You would have thought they would recall all and fix but no.. I was at the range this week and n
members/rifles still having issues
I would like to show my 12 year old grandson this bass fishing video ,its pretty damn good. But for the swearing, (not needed at all .
Which video please? I do the edit out the swearing
@@sibfishingadventuresuk1558 surf fishing for bass .
Work with JSB's OK for me and also the barrel performs well with the JSB's.
Hi this is happening to my r12 clx pro can you give me the email address for bsa who can help please i have three mags
Send it back contact your RFD if not ring bsa costumer services there aren't new mags available yet so the issue won't be fixed, I'm hopeful the evolution of the rifle will get rid of these issues .. who was your RFD ?