Thank you, Jonathan and Pekka, for this great interview! Pekka mentioned at the end that learning critical thinking, perhaps learned at school or at home, is central to the defeat of lies and propaganda. Maybe it would be a premise for a reality show?
What a brilliant guest you have Jonathon. What he describes about disinformation explains so much for me. I’ve never understood why people in democratic countries prefer to believe lies rather than use plain common sense. They always complain about what the big, bad THEY are doing without realizing the people telling these lies are actually the big, bad they.
This site is a treasure trove! It informs my course on propaganda to no end with its incredible guests and Mr. Fink's fantastically informed yet never leading questions. Mosab Yousef, a.k.a. The Green Prince, son of a Hamas co-founder, has spoken about the link between Putin and Hamas, i.e. during his recent UN talk and at U Michigan. Would love to see a Silicon Curtain in-depth look at the firehose of falsehoods around that.
Wow Jonathan how do you find all the amazing guests you invite to speak to you on this channel? Incredible content always. Thank you so much and Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦
If it is true that people are generally unable to focus their attention on more than one issue at once, wouldn't it make sense to communicate that issue in a way that makes it clear that it is part of a larger complex? Simply put, people should understand that the war in the Middle East, is not an isolated event, but like the war in Ukraine, just another part of the greater struggle that Russia is waging against the Western democracies and that it is actually the Kremlin that is behind ALL the evil and the crises that the world currently has to deal with.
This video needs wider attention, hybrid warfare works slowly and subtly yet highly effective. Raising awareness is certainly a good vaccine to that. Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦
DW was already talking about war fatigue since July 2022. They hammered on it so often that I stopped watching any of their programs except for their fantastic Documentaries such as Mariupol in the first Month of the Russian invasion and Death Road about the Russian attacks on the Zhytomyr Highway near Kyiv.
See the DW documentary "Putin's advances in the Arctic" which was released a couple of days ago. Though it is presented as a threat to NATO, it actually is evidence that Russia has no desire to attack Western nations - unless of course it feels threatened by events - such as the buildup of forces around it..
I just turned away from mainstream channels for their overly pessimistic approach to Ukraine conflict, not to mention the huge amount of troll activity in the comments section.
Exactly! DW News is good for Africa and Germany news, but I don´t watch the rest. DW documentaries are incredible, though - connecting the dots between international trade, politics and wars without spouting conspiracy theories. Invaluable.
Brilliant, as always, Jonathan! It was great when you talked about media literacy being a part of education. This has been my view for a long time... :)
Finland is a new NATO member, and I trust they are well-informed and ready for the situation con their border. It’s a great chance to welcome them and demonstrate our shared responsibility in securing their border. How about seizing the opportunity to address crucial and underestimated needs: a chance to challenge Russia and overshadow their efforts? Let’s steal the show and broadcast to the world our strength and their regrettable failure, establishing a clear deterrent for interfering with NATO territory for generations to come.
Thank you for interviewing someone from Finland! As a Czech, I sometimes feel bit sad that Central Europe and the eastern NATO flank don´t get much space in Western media. And yet, we´re still doing lots to help Ukraine, as Pekka has shown. Collecting money and donating drones and vehicles, delivering humanitarian aid, fighting propaganda, pushing for help to Ukraine on the international scene. Slovakia (understandably) only gets a mention whenever the prime minister does something horrible, but there are lots of Slovaks helping Ukraine.
Thank you, Czech Republic, for all the support! I really appreciate it and agree that we hear far too few reports and mentions of eastern European countries. If the rest of Europe would have listened more in the past, the western European countries would not have been so "surprised". For example, what Belarus and RuZZia have been / are doing along the borders between Poland and Finland, has not been / is not reported in main stream media. So please accept my apologies for not having "self educated" before. Now I do use very different sources of information than before. All the best 🇺🇦 Заради життя кожного українця! 🇺🇦
Finlandization was the choice of Finnish political leadership during Cold War to appease Soviet Union. They just decided it was easier to get along. It ended in 90s and Putin seeks getting back to historical times as a deluded neostalinist irredentist.
It seems that US Congressmen and Congresswoman are gullible enough to come to Russian talking points. Marjorie Taylor Greene for instance is a “useful idiot” but there are several more
@@gaoxiaen1 did you get my point, the useful idiots of the left that supported the Soviet Union I’ve been replaced by useful idiots of the right as well as some of the left still. Putin is KGB any maintains those same methods that evolved in the 30s through the 50s that fool so many people in the west, exactly the same techniques are being used. Front Organizations. Planting with stories that opposable, but don’t really check out in fact.
Trump 2016 was won by Russian bots, cyberwar, oligarch funding, and Kremlin pets, with Trump ignoring all advice from US intelligence warning of the scale of Russian interference. MAGA follows their leader. Trump has now admitted the Russian campaign in court documents. Rewatch *Trump Putin Helsinki 2018* - the collusion and treason comes from the top of the MAGA circus.
MTG and most of her co-idiots are so obsessed with culture war issues, they actually believe Putin is standing up for the same values as they are. It's a fundimentally stupid position at best.
Pekka hit on a real issue that highlights the difference between Finland and most other countries wrt education, i believe Finland's education is not overseen by any of the political paties of the government so there's a lot less political interference. I would be interested to know how many "flat earthers" there are there/how prone their populace is to that level of idiocy?
💛💙💜💙💛 good interview, Jonathan! I'm learning so much. 🇺🇦 🌏 🇺🇸 Lei's Real Talk did a research presentation yesterday about AI and the CCP and Xi and his neice's British husband's business. Very very interesting ...
Pekka's arguments would be more convincing if I didn't know for a fact that at least 5% of the stuff he claims is false. It makes me wonder how much more is.
@@ulfosterberg9116 You're the one with a bunch of random numbers in your username and zero account history. My first video upload on this site was 2006. PROTIP: The more you call actual North Americans Russian bots for not agreeing with you, the more likely that North America says "fuck Europe, you guys can defend yourselves on your own dime". Which by the way is what we should all say, because you guys have nothing in common with us, you barely trade with us, you willingly subjugated yourselves to an unaccountable EU bureaucracy, you demonize our oil and gas while buying Russian, then come crying to us for hundreds of billions of dollars worth of military subsidies every time Russia scares you by behaving exactly as Russia always has. Trump was right to threaten to defund NATO when he was in power, and I hope he does it when he gets elected for a 2nd term. You losers need to learn to do your own heavy lifting for a change.
I think that flaky people are involved around the periphery of this war. Con artists will not be helping the situation and fakers are not appreciated or appropriate especially if they are embezzlers. Strange people who don't appear to have qualifications other than being attractive get jobs handling funds and equipment. What are the exact requirements to be given that position ?
I can only laugh (yes, bitterly) at the idea that we can afford to suffer "war fatigue." Or, rather, sure. It is a thing. But where we have competent leadership, it's a re-grouping, and a consensus understanding that this is only the beginning of the next great war. Too dramatic? Maybe. Feels right. Seems to be increasingly supported by developments. Eh.
Another invaluable report. Thank you for your dedication to exposing the truth.
Go Finland!
Thank you, Jonathan and Pekka, for this great interview! Pekka mentioned at the end that learning critical thinking, perhaps learned at school or at home, is central to the defeat of lies and propaganda. Maybe it would be a premise for a reality show?
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What a brilliant guest you have Jonathon. What he describes about disinformation explains so much for me. I’ve never understood why people in democratic countries prefer to believe lies rather than use plain common sense. They always complain about what the big, bad THEY are doing without realizing the people telling these lies are actually the big, bad they.
Excellent video Jonathan. I honestly can't get over Pekka's astounding moustache.
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Blimey, I was so interested in hearing his words, it didn't register that he had moustache. But i did wish I'd been given a name like Pekka.😂
@@premasrulol, smarty-pants!
Himohässijä-Günther or Schimanski moustache.😁🤣
Freddie mercury
Thanks Jonathan! Immediately subscribed to Soup Central.
Me too! Jonathan gives us introductions to some fantastic, smart people. I really appreciate his work!
@@lsees5753 Me three!
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I did the same
This site is a treasure trove!
It informs my course on propaganda to no end with its incredible guests and Mr. Fink's fantastically informed yet never leading questions.
Mosab Yousef, a.k.a. The Green Prince, son of a Hamas co-founder, has spoken about the link between Putin and Hamas, i.e. during his recent UN talk and at U Michigan.
Would love to see a Silicon Curtain in-depth look at the firehose of falsehoods around that.
On the other hand, it’s getting waaaay too easy to spend my whole day watching these smart people on TV. Where does the day go?
Don’t just watch - take action!
Thank you so much. 🙏 Each interview is extremely interesting and important against the ruzzy evil.
Such a brilliantly curated conversation with Pekka, thank you Jonathan.
Then again, I used to spend the whole day in college, so why feel guilty for ‘symposiums’ now? My guilt just washed away, hurray!
Useful background info. Thank you both.
Pekka is an absolute super-star.
Thanks for bringing so many good discussions. Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦👍❤️
Wow Jonathan how do you find all the amazing guests you invite to speak to you on this channel? Incredible content always. Thank you so much and Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦
Love it!!🙌
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If it is true that people are generally unable to focus their attention on more than one issue at once, wouldn't it make sense to communicate that issue in a way that makes it clear that it is part of a larger complex? Simply put, people should understand that the war in the Middle East, is not an isolated event, but like the war in Ukraine, just another part of the greater struggle that Russia is waging against the Western democracies and that it is actually the Kremlin that is behind ALL the evil and the crises that the world currently has to deal with.
This video needs wider attention, hybrid warfare works slowly and subtly yet highly effective. Raising awareness is certainly a good vaccine to that. Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦
Russia is stronger in a lie than in a fight. Thank you Jonathan for raising awareness of what is really happening in and around Ukraine.
DW was already talking about war fatigue since July 2022. They hammered on it so often that I stopped watching any of their programs except for their fantastic Documentaries such as Mariupol in the first Month of the Russian invasion and Death Road about the Russian attacks on the Zhytomyr Highway near Kyiv.
Same. I tune out from any channel that blabs on about war fatigue. A gift to ruzzia, no thanks.
See the DW documentary "Putin's advances in the Arctic" which was released a couple of days ago. Though it is presented as a threat to NATO, it actually is evidence that Russia has no desire to attack Western nations - unless of course it feels threatened by events - such as the buildup of forces around it..
I just turned away from mainstream channels for their overly pessimistic approach to Ukraine conflict, not to mention the huge amount of troll activity in the comments section.
Exactly! DW News is good for Africa and Germany news, but I don´t watch the rest. DW documentaries are incredible, though - connecting the dots between international trade, politics and wars without spouting conspiracy theories. Invaluable.
Brilliant, as always, Jonathan!
It was great when you talked about media literacy being a part of education. This has been my view for a long time... :)
Pekka does an excellent job, thanks for inviting him to speak on your channel.
By the way, how’s the Hopak going Pekka? 😁
Excellent discussion. Thank you for having such an open and dynamic conversation. Much appreciated.
Finland is a new NATO member, and I trust they are well-informed and ready for the situation con their border. It’s a great chance to welcome them and demonstrate our shared responsibility in securing their border.
How about seizing the opportunity to address crucial and underestimated needs: a chance to challenge Russia and overshadow their efforts? Let’s steal the show and broadcast to the world our strength and their regrettable failure, establishing a clear deterrent for interfering with NATO territory for generations to come.
Security and defence in Finland is nationwide, the Finns are over-prepared for Russia.
Thank you for interviewing someone from Finland! As a Czech, I sometimes feel bit sad that Central Europe and the eastern NATO flank don´t get much space in Western media. And yet, we´re still doing lots to help Ukraine, as Pekka has shown. Collecting money and donating drones and vehicles, delivering humanitarian aid, fighting propaganda, pushing for help to Ukraine on the international scene. Slovakia (understandably) only gets a mention whenever the prime minister does something horrible, but there are lots of Slovaks helping Ukraine.
Thank you, Czech Republic, for all the support! I really appreciate it and agree that we hear far too few reports and mentions of eastern European countries. If the rest of Europe would have listened more in the past, the western European countries would not have been so "surprised". For example, what Belarus and RuZZia have been / are doing along the borders between Poland and Finland, has not been / is not reported in main stream media. So please accept my apologies for not having "self educated" before. Now I do use very different sources of information than before. All the best
🇺🇦 Заради життя кожного українця! 🇺🇦
Objective is pretty simple. Ukraine's independence protecyed and sovereignty over its internationally recognised territory.
Schools! You are spot on
Link this guest's platform so we can find him online please.
youtube.com/@TheSoupCentral?si=sah9t6K-ufWqqVDX
Finlandization was the choice of Finnish political leadership during Cold War to appease Soviet Union. They just decided it was easier to get along. It ended in 90s and Putin seeks getting back to historical times as a deluded neostalinist irredentist.
Superb 🎉
It seems that US Congressmen and Congresswoman are gullible enough to come to Russian talking points. Marjorie Taylor Greene for instance is a “useful idiot” but there are several more
I wouldn't call MTG useful.
@@gaoxiaen1😂😂😂 bingo...
@@gaoxiaen1 did you get my point, the useful idiots of the left that supported the Soviet Union I’ve been replaced by useful idiots of the right as well as some of the left still. Putin is KGB any maintains those same methods that evolved in the 30s through the 50s that fool so many people in the west, exactly the same techniques are being used. Front Organizations. Planting with stories that opposable, but don’t really check out in fact.
Trump 2016 was won by Russian bots, cyberwar, oligarch funding, and Kremlin pets, with Trump ignoring all advice from US intelligence warning of the scale of Russian interference. MAGA follows their leader. Trump has now admitted the Russian campaign in court documents. Rewatch *Trump Putin Helsinki 2018* - the collusion and treason comes from the top of the MAGA circus.
MTG and most of her co-idiots are so obsessed with culture war issues, they actually believe Putin is standing up for the same values as they are. It's a fundimentally stupid position at best.
Times Radio used to end every interview by discussing war fatigue at one point. Really annoying; you're not at war
Pekka hit on a real issue that highlights the difference between Finland and most other countries wrt education, i believe Finland's education is not overseen by any of the political paties of the government so there's a lot less political interference.
I would be interested to know how many "flat earthers" there are there/how prone their populace is to that level of idiocy?
Great show jonathan
Hyvää päivää.
Why did you choose the name Silicon Curtain for your channel?
I don't know for sure but I think it's a reference to the 'iron curtain' of the cold war era, but silicon because we are in the information era now
That’s it - because the propaganda doesn’t stop at a physical border, but is in all our smart devices…
Thanks Much !.Silicon Curtain
Pekka, good hockey name. Glory to Ukraine.
I may be an idiot but I am not useful.
Would like to hear a discussion ablut where the support for ukraine has gone?
💛💙💜💙💛 good interview, Jonathan! I'm learning so much.
🇺🇦 🌏 🇺🇸 Lei's Real Talk did a research presentation yesterday about AI and the CCP and Xi and his neice's British husband's business. Very very interesting ...
Jonathan, has your guest researched how the Kremlin and CCP coordinate their propaganda?
fellas of nafo say boo
we are evolving into a kind of misinformation exposer bunch, and we know tech quite well
ive shown people how to scan there accounts for bots via web app....
and teaching people how i find things is a good idea
Is it just me, that I don’t see a transcript?
It takes some time for that to appear, I think.
Yay, Pekka! So raw. Been a standout from the beginning of all this mess. Zeroing in on those that would divide us.
Pineapple on pizza nafo
Is Pekka on Mastodon?
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Pekka's arguments would be more convincing if I didn't know for a fact that at least 5% of the stuff he claims is false. It makes me wonder how much more is.
Nice try, Igor.
@@ulfosterberg9116 You're the one with a bunch of random numbers in your username and zero account history. My first video upload on this site was 2006.
PROTIP: The more you call actual North Americans Russian bots for not agreeing with you, the more likely that North America says "fuck Europe, you guys can defend yourselves on your own dime".
Which by the way is what we should all say, because you guys have nothing in common with us, you barely trade with us, you willingly subjugated yourselves to an unaccountable EU bureaucracy, you demonize our oil and gas while buying Russian, then come crying to us for hundreds of billions of dollars worth of military subsidies every time Russia scares you by behaving exactly as Russia always has. Trump was right to threaten to defund NATO when he was in power, and I hope he does it when he gets elected for a 2nd term. You losers need to learn to do your own heavy lifting for a change.
I think that flaky people are involved around the periphery of this war. Con artists will not be helping the situation and fakers are not appreciated or appropriate especially if they are embezzlers. Strange people who don't appear to have qualifications other than being attractive get jobs handling funds and equipment. What are the exact requirements to be given that position ?
Excellent analysis.
Now ask him about Putin's agenda in 🇬🇧, please.
The EU is not a state, as much as it wants to be. Stop suggesting it is. It also has no military forces.
Thankfully.
I can only laugh (yes, bitterly) at the idea that we can afford to suffer "war fatigue." Or, rather, sure. It is a thing. But where we have competent leadership, it's a re-grouping, and a consensus understanding that this is only the beginning of the next great war.
Too dramatic? Maybe. Feels right. Seems to be increasingly supported by developments. Eh.
PUTIN IS MY FAVORITE PRESIDENT
PEKKA, 08/02/2014
Go, Pekka, go!!!
This is so Cringe, NAFO ACTIVIST LMAO
Nice to see that you learned not much from this firehose