Liubov Velychko - Dissecting the Science of Russia Vranyo - The Art of Geopolitical Lying at Scale
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
- Liubov Velychko is a Ukrainian investigative journalist with over 15 years of experience uncovering corruption, crime, and human rights violations. She Specializes in exposing disinformation campaigns, and has conducted numerous investigations into Russian propaganda, revealing the networks behind its spread and dismantling the information operations orchestrated by Russian intelligence agencies.
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Myth: Ukraine is irredeemably corrupt and has greater corruption issues than Russia.
Myth: Ukraine is not a democracy because elections have been suspended in wartime.
Myth: Russian language and culture are suppressed in Ukraine.
Myth: Russians don’t oppose the war, because they have ‘bad information’.
Myth: Russians can be divided into ‘good’ and ‘bad’.
Myth: Putin can be negotiated with using economically rational, transactional logic.
Myth: Putin insane, not simply a kleptocratic, chauvinistic psychopath.
Myth: Negotiations and treaties with Russia can give Ukraine peace and security.
Myth: Putin wants peace.
Myth: Russia will be satisfied with just a few territories of Ukraine, in DNR and LNR.
Myth: Zelensky makes decisions for himself and his clique, not the Ukrainian people.
Myth: Oligarchs pull all the strings, and leaders are only their puppets, and of the US.
Myth: Russian security concerns is a real and serious topic for consideration.
Myth: Russia could be accepted into NATO, and other international institutions.
Myth: Trade relationship with India, Global South, etc can help make Ukraine secure.
Myth: Russians can be forgiven this generation for the crimes committed in their name.
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Excellent interview. I look forward to reading the book.
Thank you Silicon Curtain! Thank you Liubov!
We are working for you😊
thanks, from Miami.@@LiubovVelychko-jo7rf
Can't wait to read it!! Was already looking to get it before finishing the interview 😅 Something like this should then become a bestseller and/or mandatory reading in all democratic education systems. Godspeed Liubov & many thanks to both of you ✌️🇺🇦
I will use many real stories, with names and dates, to illustrate informational scenarios that Russians used to influence on Europe and USA. That will be not just useful book. Me and my coauthor Olena Kozii will make it like a detective story. To make it interesting for wider audience
Great 👍🏻
Thanks once again 👏👏🔝
I read recently that even one repetition of a lie has been proven to have an effect on attitudes. Continuous repetition has a cumulative effect.
It does and can be pernicious if there's even a grain of truth in it.
My history teacher, talking about Goebels and his propaganda used internally could make a homeless german person believes he has a house, by the way and amount of this lie repetition…
@@fgadenzThat's an insightful comparison to Goebbels. The Kremlin's propaganda operates on a similar principle: by constantly repeating lies, it creates an alternative reality where facts lose their meaning. This strategy is not only used domestically but also to influence other nations by spreading disinformation and confusion. The goal is to justify aggression and undermine democratic values. Recognizing these manipulations and promoting media literacy are crucial steps to countering this information warfare.
Sarah, absolutely, that's a well-documented psychological phenomenon known as the "illusory truth effect." Even hearing a lie once makes it seem more believable, especially when people are not actively fact-checking. Repetition taps into cognitive biases, making false information feel familiar and therefore credible. This is why disinformation campaigns prioritize volume and persistence over the accuracy of their messaging. Understanding this effect helps people become more critical consumers of information.
Brilliant 🇺🇦🇺🇦
Nice work 👍
Thank you so much! We do our best to bring useful content to you!
I'll buy that book. I'm Eastern North Carolina USA
I am happy to hear it! It will be published next year and will be available in English online also.
This is really good. Thank you for this.
I am so happy you find it useful. It is hard work to resist so powerful tools of propaganda. But it doesn't mean we cannot win in this fight.
Some additional context which might be interesting: i'm from Croatia and in our language we have a word called "varanje" which translates to cheating. I noticed that it is similar to the russian vranyo/vranye do i just wanted to point that out
The reflexive form "varati se" is more closer to the Russian meaning since it's "to deceive oneself", "to be deceived".
The Russian concept of vranyo refers to a particular type of lying where both the speaker and listener know it's false, but they go along with it anyway - often to maintain social harmony. It reveals a cultural nuance in how deception can be normalized, which is also reflected in how disinformation operates on a societal level.
Jel se kod vas koristi izraz "Konji vrani"? Kod nas to znači crni konji. Pozdrav.
@sakota79 da. Vranac je uobičajeni narodni naziv za crnog konja
Solzhenijcin used to describe us as “the puerile West”. Never has this description been more fitting. We need to (re)read his books and those by Salamov, Grossman, Kravchenko and the like. And we need books like the one this fine lady is writing. Because wars are won first in the MINDS and unfortunately we’re even more unprepared for this confrontation than for the military one. Keep up the good job 👍🏻
I learned more about the Soviet mentality from Vasily Grossman than any other writer. There is a passage in Everything Flows, the book he wrote as a sequel to Lfe and Fate in which he compares the different motivations of people who denounced their neighbours during the Terror that stopped me in my tracks.
Read Grossman. When you do you will know very soon why I say so.
Thanks! Good info!
... and we're happy to have Liubov in our camp, helping to make sense of the russian narratives!
Thanks for your kind feedback! I do want to make my knowledge useful for people like you!
Thanks guys 😊
Another interesting guest on Silcon Curtain. So happy you introduced this to me. You mentioned Peter Pomerantsev in your Jake Broe interview. You've opened my eyes as to how important winning the Information War is. I used to reply that memes are good but aid is better under a few NAFO tweets. Now I'm thinking truth trumps all - NOT the other way round! as Tucker et al in the USA might have us believe. Nice work JF
Agree. The misinformation is the foundation of their war. We must eliminate social media, especially X. Our minds are being manipulated. People need to be stopped. And shown. This is a deprogramming issue.
I love this. I wish someone would deprogram us. The info is tricky and is the foundation of their war war effort.
Tucker Carlson and figures like Donald Trump have mastered the art of "alternative facts," where the goal isn’t to convince with truth but to create confusion and mistrust in all information sources. This mirrors tactics often used by authoritarian regimes, including Russia. When people believe nothing can be trusted, it becomes easier to manipulate them. That’s why independent journalism and critical thinking are so vital. Memes may provide quick hits of truth, but sustained efforts to expose manipulation and spread verified information are what ultimately matter. Glad to see you're already part of that fight!
We might reasonably conclude that the current war is really about truth vs lies...
@@SarahMould what can you reasonably conclude from what ukraine told us is happening and what has actually happened in the 3 years of war, do we all remember the famed ukranian counteroffensive? That was supposed to take crimea with german leopards? Nah we dont, how about Bakhmut that will never fall? Avdievka that was invinsible? Ukranian terminators in Mariupol plant? Himars changing war? Russian economy collapsing from sanctions? Its been 3 years and there are still people in this crowd banking on it. You say its truth vs lie, but I see no truth in neither side, recent claims by Zelenski that they lost under 30 thousand men doesnt exactly colarate with US telling them to mobilize 18 year old men or risk total defeat and them publically delcaring they need 500k men just to hold the line while admitting they cannot take back territory militarily. Its Lie vs Lie, and if you really think about it, even on the examples I put out earlier, you will see that its Ukraine that has been lying.
Thank you!
Very annoyed that RUclips algorithm is no longer showing Silicon Curtain in my recommended feed. It’s also now very difficult to comment here. But we will Trojan onwards!
Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦💪
Why would you want to watch this nazzi propaganda?
Why do you want to follow this nazzi propaganda?
Are you subscribed? My comments sometimes disappear, but I still get notifications. I have found that rewording deleted comments in a slightly indirect way sometimes works.
@@terryhand Yes, I am subscribed. Usually, when a new episode comes out, it shows up in my 'recommended viewing' but it just isn't doing it of late. Hopefully, it will return to how it was soon. Thanks for your caring 😊
Maybe "unsubscribe" then subscribe again. The algorithm is obviously NOT picking up your subscriptions. RUclips seems to be getting worse. It's a Google site.
Thanks. Would be a great book; the West should be taught to know Russian propaganda when they see it.
It's important to note that Russia has often cited NATO's potential expansion as a justification for its actions in Ukraine, but this argument doesn't hold up against the principles of sovereignty and self-determination that is inherent in NATO doctrine. NATO's open-door policy allows any European country that meets its standards and principles to apply for membership. This policy is based on the idea that sovereign nations have the right to choose their own security arrangements. This doctrine is in contrast to Russian doctrine that supports the use of threats and force to gain territory from other sovereign nations throughout its history.
Clearly presenting the flaws in Putin's justifications for his military operation in Ukraine is essential to countering the narrative Putin is trying to project. By systematically addressing and refuting each of his arguments, the international community can highlight the unjust and illegal nature of Russia's actions in Ukraine.
Here's a breakdown of key points to focus on:
SOVEREIGNTY and SELF-DETERMINATION:
Emphasize Ukraine's right to make its own choices as an independent, sovereign nation. Russia's aggression violates these fundamental principles.
NATO Expansion:
Clarify that NATO's open-door policy allows countries to apply for membership voluntarily. There is no coercion or forced expansion as is inherent in Russia's doctrine of expansionism with force.
Ukraine's desire to join NATO is based on its own security interests, not a NATO-driven agenda.
THE MINSK AGREEMENTS:
Highlight that the Minsk agreements are focused on conflict resolution in Eastern Ukraine and do not prohibit NATO membership. Russia's use of these agreements to justify its actions is a misrepresentation.
HISTORICAL CONTEXT:
Remind the world that Crimea's annexation in 2014 was widely condemned and not recognized by the international community. Ukraine's territorial integrity includes Crimea.
HUMANITARIAN IMPACT
Share the devastating humanitarian consequences of Russia's invasion, including civilian casualties, displacement, and destruction. This underscores the urgency of supporting Ukraine.
COMMUNICATION STRATEGY: Global Media Outreach:
Utilize news networks, social media platforms, and international publications to disseminate these points widely.
Unified Statements:
Coordinate with NATO members, EU leaders, and other allies to issue joint statements that clearly outline the illegitimacy of Putin's claims.
PUBLIC ADVOCACY:
Engage with influential figures, activists, and organizations to amplify the message and keep public attention focused on the issue.
VERY ASSENTIAL:
By maintaining a consistent and united front, the international community can effectively challenge and disprove Putin's narrative, strengthening support for Ukraine's sovereignty and independence.
I second every word of this! 💯💙💛
Thank you for such a comprehensive and well-structured analysis. You've highlighted crucial points that dismantle Putin's justifications for the war in Ukraine. Sovereignty and self-determination are indeed the cornerstones of a stable international order, which Russia flagrantly undermines. The contrast between NATO's voluntary membership policy and Russia's coercive expansionism couldn't be clearer. Amplifying these facts through media outreach and public advocacy is essential to countering disinformation and rallying support for Ukraine. Keeping the world's focus on the humanitarian consequences also helps underscore the urgency of holding Russia accountable. Let's keep spreading the truth strategically and persistently.
Glory to Ukraine.
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To steal and to lie is two fundamental russian values all what they make or touch it's all about that.
Legend....
Thanks for the people you've introduced me to. I've just been using my stubborn Goat Crushing EGO and skeptical wit against Twisted snowflakes lies😊
Glad to hear you're standing strong against disinformation! Skepticism is a powerful tool when paired with a commitment to facts-keep using it wisely.
Political truth is nothing but the absence of a contrary vision.
Political "truth" often thrives not because it's inherently convincing, but because alternative narratives are silenced or discredited. This is a key strategy in authoritarian regimes, where controlling the information landscape is as important as controlling the political one. Ensuring that diverse voices and visions are heard is fundamental to preserving democratic discourse and keeping power in check.
@@LiubovVelychko-jo7rf I've been studying fallacies lately... lots of this in current politic talking points, and seems to be the base of most propaganda!
Comment to Liubov: even though you never message, that app is on your phone, and it has means to read every message you send or receive, along with your phone calls
That's why I use Telegram on a smartphone that I don't use for communication. It's a device for work purposes only: collecting information.
@@LiubovVelychko-jo7rf In this modern age, you make the argument for having two devices, kept for separate purposes, for many of us, but especially those who try to engage with trolls, Russians, etc.
@ while they still know your location. Why use it at all? The fact that you use it just helps everyone else justify why they use it. And they won’t use it like you
Disarming!
As Jake Bro already told us, to write a book to spread info is outdated.
Use RUclips and other platforms, especially if you want to reach young people.
However important and useful this book will be, I will never read it.
Books go far deeper into subjects than any tweet or string of them. Important information doesn't appear.
I appreciate your point, and it's true that digital platforms like RUclips are incredibly powerful for reaching younger audiences. However, a book offers a depth of analysis and permanence that other platforms often cannot provide. Writing a book allows for a more comprehensive exploration of the methods behind Russian propaganda, offering historical context and detailed case studies that can be revisited over time. While digital content is important for quick engagement, a well-researched book provides a lasting reference for anyone wanting to understand these complex issues in greater detail.
The trouble is that information disappears from the interwebs all the time, for all sorts of reasons. Books, on the other hand, are collected and maintained by government institutions, and are much more likely to remain. They also have more 'heft' in their influence.
This lady needs to avoid random cups of tea and pointy umbrellas.
I just thought about her security. I think she realises the danger.
@jantoleu8392 Yes, for many years I have been receiving threats in my direction for many years. Russian propagandists have gone to great lengths to discredit my disinformation investigations. But we must continue.
@@LiubovVelychko-jo7rf Good for you. Your work is necessary. The West's high trust society is being badly assaulted and we need to know why and how.
I just watched an interview with an African journalist about Wagners activities in Africa. It seems the Russian State can't act anywhere unless it involves cruelty, violence and theft.
Stay safe and I will look for your book.
Bad audio.