38:33 Thank you for your comments. I enjoy open dialogue when it allows me to interact with an individual which I may not have had the opportunity otherwise. We may use language which may not be current. We may have ideas which are outdated. Especially me since I'm usually the most "classic guard" of the group and also "old black guy* passionate. But we understand and trust one another which is the key to any show of this type. Agreeing on a topic or situation is not as important as having the open dialogue. That's the beauty of the show. It gets people talking openly, communicating and sharing their own thoughts and ideas. But we also have to keep the show in the context of old friends of different racial, economic and social backgrounds having a chat and smoking cigars. There are times we may bring on a guest with whom we've had no prior interaction so it can become uncomfortable. I can apologize if sometimes our interactions may come off as an attack but that's not who we are and it certainly isn't meant to be. Just like Kris says in the beginning of every show “four old friends smoking cigars and shooting the shit”.
Graylin, I feel you. But in this context having a cis woman making these statements in court is actually useful in the long run. You bring up very valid points about appropriation of gay male culture, and that still is very much its own thing. It is part of the whole queer rainbow, but I know what you're saying.
Disappointed that the idea that gay men's drag is more valid than anyone else's was considered a "good point". Especially in the face of someone who has put everything on the line. Lost a lot of respect for these guys for not pushing back. It was really disrespectful to your guest... to have to defend the validity of her drag in a space she was invited into as a drag queen and as a representative of a drag queen. Do I think a conversation about gay culture going mainstream should be had? Yes. Do I think having that conversation centered around a person defending their legitimacy to a panel of people who are saying "We brought you here to represent something that I don't think you're even valid to represent" is the space to have that conversation? Absolutely not.
@@bayrum9803 I didn't get the impression she was representing anything other than who she is as herself and a performer. If they had a problem with "afab queens" they shouldn't have invited her.
Graylin, i love you but I think you forget folks will see/hear drag and automatically think she's a trans woman. Especially in the South. No matter how she identifies she's still someone whose voice matters. Also, Graylin like barely smiled, laughed, or even interacted. It was extremely uncomfortable to watch.
It’s really sad how narrowminded and ignorant people are because they choose not to understand or want to understand how amazing drag is and the LGBTQ plus community are, I’m really sorry if that came out wonky I just have a lot of love and respect for everybody
I kept forgetting she was a cis women. Also, if you are going to be like that Graylin, I find it rude males have to dress up and act like women then. What’s wrong with their gender that they have to act and dress like another? Especially when they are gay and it could be said they are making fun of or mocking women. You have very problematic thoughts on this.
@@extatis That could easily be said and seen. Especially when you are not allowing cis gender women in. And why did you say also? You hadn’t said anything previously.
i think it would be really interesting to see an episode about people who say paraphilias like zoophilia (beastiality), pedophilia, and necrophilia should be part of the lgbt community. they make the argument that homosexuality used to be illegal in the way these paraphilias are now. would love to hear on gaurds perspectives
38:33 Thank you for your comments. I enjoy open dialogue when it allows me to interact with an individual which I may not have had the opportunity otherwise.
We may use language which may not be current. We may have ideas which are outdated. Especially me since I'm usually the most "classic guard" of the group and also "old black guy* passionate. But we understand and trust one another which is the key to any show of this type.
Agreeing on a topic or situation is not as important as having the open dialogue. That's the beauty of the show. It gets people talking openly, communicating and sharing their own thoughts and ideas. But we also have to keep the show in the context of old friends of different racial, economic and social backgrounds having a chat and smoking cigars. There are times we may bring on a guest with whom we've had no prior interaction so it can become uncomfortable. I can apologize if sometimes our interactions may come off as an attack but that's not who we are and it certainly isn't meant to be. Just like Kris says in the beginning of every show “four old friends smoking cigars and shooting the shit”.
Brigitte was lovely. What a class act!
what an awesome interview! thank you Brigitte and the Austin community for getting into good trouble!
Yay a live episode with an audience!
This was such a good chat! I'm glad you recorded this :) Thanks for chatting, Brigitte
oh man! I got my own On Guard Cigar Salon Black T-shirt today, incredible!!! also , great video!
Graylin, I feel you. But in this context having a cis woman making these statements in court is actually useful in the long run. You bring up very valid points about appropriation of gay male culture, and that still is very much its own thing. It is part of the whole queer rainbow, but I know what you're saying.
In turn gay men tend to appropriate black femme culture, too, so it's definitely a whole community fight for our rights. ❤❤❤
Disappointed that the idea that gay men's drag is more valid than anyone else's was considered a "good point". Especially in the face of someone who has put everything on the line.
Lost a lot of respect for these guys for not pushing back. It was really disrespectful to your guest... to have to defend the validity of her drag in a space she was invited into as a drag queen and as a representative of a drag queen.
Do I think a conversation about gay culture going mainstream should be had? Yes. Do I think having that conversation centered around a person defending their legitimacy to a panel of people who are saying "We brought you here to represent something that I don't think you're even valid to represent" is the space to have that conversation? Absolutely not.
@@bayrum9803 I didn't get the impression she was representing anything other than who she is as herself and a performer. If they had a problem with "afab queens" they shouldn't have invited her.
Graylin, i love you but I think you forget folks will see/hear drag and automatically think she's a trans woman. Especially in the South. No matter how she identifies she's still someone whose voice matters.
Also, Graylin like barely smiled, laughed, or even interacted. It was extremely uncomfortable to watch.
I tried to go to the links for Brigitte and they said that the accounts were not there.
She's definitely on Twitter going by Brigette Bandit
Engagement engagement engagement
I think it would be cool if y'all did an episode exploring books and magazines that impacted you as young gay men
i want to do drag because i live in the south and am gnc but i am so shy!! someday!!
How can you not like a live audience 👌🏻
It’s really sad how narrowminded and ignorant people are because they choose not to understand or want to understand how amazing drag is and the LGBTQ plus community are, I’m really sorry if that came out wonky I just have a lot of love and respect for everybody
All the daddies are wearing glasses, I like it so hot.
I kept forgetting she was a cis women. Also, if you are going to be like that Graylin, I find it rude males have to dress up and act like women then. What’s wrong with their gender that they have to act and dress like another? Especially when they are gay and it could be said they are making fun of or mocking women. You have very problematic thoughts on this.
For info they are an AFAB non-binary person
Also they are not making fun of women, you have no idea what you’re saying. Please educate yourself.
@@extatis That could easily be said and seen. Especially when you are not allowing cis gender women in. And why did you say also? You hadn’t said anything previously.
I’m not native and I was adding something to what you said.
I never said women could not be drag queens. Just that drag is not making fun of women.
Please correct your comment. They/them not she/her. I made the same mistake
i think it would be really interesting to see an episode about people who say paraphilias like zoophilia (beastiality), pedophilia, and necrophilia should be part of the lgbt community. they make the argument that homosexuality used to be illegal in the way these paraphilias are now. would love to hear on gaurds perspectives
The issue with that is it's not an actual debate. This started off at a 4chan troll then some other trolls ran with it. So keep that in mind