Another interesting direction would be how leather affected music. For example: Rob Halford of Judas Priest. When he came out in the late 90s, he said in an interview that the reason the band dressed the way they did is that it was what RH knew from going to leather bars and was comfortable wearing.
I grew up in a very conservative christian home (early 2000s), but my grandma always had her 60s-80s music going when we would visit. ABBA, Cher , Roy Orbison, Talking heads, Blondie, FleetwoodMac, so many. As soon as I escaped I deep dived into all of it and more, and started finding newer artists as I went along. Here are a few of them! (Oriville Peck) Is an awesome country singer, half made out of Leather and fringe! "The Curse of the Blackened Eye" is a good one. (Arca) Is an incredible talent, hard to describe everything they do, their songs "Time" and "Desafío" might be a good place to start. (Bronze Avery) Someone I just heard recently, the songs "scan and copy" and "Boys!" are stuck in my head! Happy to have found a few songs that are new to me today! And being able to look at some of the old ones in a new light!
Arca is quite interesting and strange which works for me. Love Orville's new track with Willie Nelson, but also find the original version of that too. Have you heard of Shortparis or Girl in Red?
Acoustic Dylan, early Baez singing ballads, later Beatles albums, Stones Let it Bleed - I knew them all well growing up courtesy of my Hippy father and political radical mother. I wish my father was still around so I could ask him who he saw live in SF in the 60s. I discovered David Bowie via Labyrinth as a very early teen. No record store had the soundtrack but I got Never Let Me Down on tape and it was perfect for the time. Not long after they started reissuing his albums on CD starting with Space Oddity and the different styles of the albums fit my growing up. Loved Hunky Dory, Diamond Dogs, Man who Sold the world. I am very much more of a sound person though, than lyrics. Loved the episode! Thanks for making it ❤
Music is such a massive part of my life, and it influences me so much, especially along the lines of activism and sexuality. So, thank you, thank you so much for this episode. I am immediately going to listen to that linked playlist! (If I had to point out one song for myself it would be "Reptile" by Nine Inch Nails. I was in middle school when I stumbled upon it, and it had been out for years and years at that point, but I remember so vividly thinking, "music can sound like this?!" I'd never heard ANYTHING like that before. It started me on my metal music, sex, and kink positive journey)
WOOO this was absolutely fire !!! My favorite all time song stuck with me was the doors breaking on through the others side and touch of grey gratefuldead
I highly recommend "The Queer Gospel" by Erin McKeown. I first heard it when it debuted on the Podcast Welcome to Night Vale, which is itself very queer friendly and inclusive. It's used in their episode "Who's a Good Boy? Part 2", which was released right after the Pulse tragedy. It just hit so much harder after that. The song is about love and community, tuning out those who would vilify us and showing the world what we can do. It also helps that the chorus is a little bit kinky. Put in the context of both the events going on in the world at the time and the themes of the episode in which WTNV used it, it's such an incredibly powerful song.
I’m the earliest days for me it was Tubular Bells. Roberta Flack, and Aladdin Sane (Bowie). Then Enigma and Butt Boy for playtime. And not so long ago (yesterday)😊 Florence and the Machine. Great show gentlemen.
My 5 choice’s would be: David Bowie- Starman - seeing him on British tv 1972 looking like an alien had landed in our living rooms Kate Bush - Breathing- Kate’s anti nuclear ☢️/ war opus that still resonates today Gina X. - G.D.M - synth classic homage to Quentin Crisp Change- Searching- beautiful Luther on vocals and a driving beat to keep you dancing The Normal - Warm Leatherette- The original that inspired a Grace Jones cover
Graylyn you might not have known us which I understand. But when Madonna did hired a couple of the original choreographer That were creating a lot of the vogue in the houses Of New York. She also took these guys out on tour with her during her blonde ambition tour, and they are in the movie truth or dare.
As a certifiable music nut, I really enjoyed this episode! I've seen many of the singers and bands you all spoke about, so it all resonated. But I really want to thank Kristopher for the shout out to Rubber Rebel magazine. My late partner Peter Tolos and I were the men who published and created those issues and although it's kind of faded into history (it was in the mid-90s), it was a big part of my life and it's always nice to see where it left an impact.
What a delight! Jim's selections resonate for my youth, though I might have talked about Phil Ochs and Janis Ian songs. Ochs' "Outside a Small Circle of Friends" caused quite a brawl with my dad, but it was "Crucifixion" with its electronics and about the JFK assassination that stuck with me. I kept "Venus in Furs" by Velvet Underground away from him. I lusted after Tim Buckley and Jim Morrison. "Lola" by the Kinks was the first truly queer song that came my way. I love how you talk about the importance of dancing. Ritualistic hedonism at its best. It was probably 73 or 74 when I went to a gay prom at Yale, my only time in drag except I refused to shave like on a Frank Zappa album cover. I had waist length hair then that a friend did in pin curls. Now that was torture. It was a fun evening. Can't leave without mention of my favorite "Smalltown Boy" by Bronski Beat. Recommendation for Jim: there is an odd album of disco versions of 60's songs by Sir Ivan. though not quite as good as Modern Rocketry's version of the Monkee's "Stepping Stone", it is fun. I have to add Fanny, their first album cover with one gal clutching the butt of another was provocative in 1970.
You can tell Graylin and the Pig have one of those friendships where you love and respect each other but if they spend too much time together they get on each others nerves 😂
This was such a great episode! Thank you guys for sharing. As a woman in her mid-twenties who appreciates music from all eras this was just lovely. I would say... the album Graceland by Paul Simon is one of my all times favorite. Though it isn't very gay. A more modern and very gay choice would be Fletcher's new album.
A great song in the late 70s in the UK that may not have made an in N America was Tom Robinson's "Glad to be Gay", it was a real anthem, but the verses are essentially about how tough things were at the time witn queer bashing, police brutality and more. Worth a listen if you don't know it.
For me (not that anyone asked or even knows me) it was always metal. Judas Priest Green Manalishi, Iron Maiden Run for the hills, Dio, Black Sabbath and so on. My taste in music always varied from country to classical to rock and metal even, big band swing. Now my taste in music is hard core metal, I love it and always will. I will say it surprises me that the leather, kink, and bear communities aren't more into metal considering all the nuances and aspects of the genre lend themselves to those communities i.e. the leather, how sexual and phallic they are on stage in videos, always skirting the realm of BDSM and kink and so on. Rob Halford was, in my mind, the original leather Daddy and still is.
My list (limited to four songs and one album): -Girls like Girls by Hayley Kiyoko -Queer as in fuck you by Dog Park Dissidents -Trans dysphoria blues (album) by Against me -Smells like Queer Spirit by Pansy Division -Love you to death by Judas Priest
Songs that had impact... Hard to pick. 1: Kendall Kelly: Do you know how sexy you are. 2: Emiko Shiratori: Melodies of Life. 3: Of Monsters and Men: Little Talks. 4: Delain: We are the Others. 5: Imagine Dragons: It's Ok. (Brat mode) Extra: Ken Ashcorp: We're Shameless.
We still say psilocybin hahaha. I really enjoyed this episode. Love hearing what music influences others Calling out elvis made me so happy What does the BTS look like btw? Are they wearing mics on their bodies or is there a mic next to the camera? Also, we do believe things like that. As a protestor myself. While I wasnt shot with actual bullet I was shot with rubber bullets and pepper sprayed with military grade mace a foot away. There's nothing stopping them from doing more.
Human Nature by Madonna was such a good song. Unashamedly sexual, it was a sexual awakening for me that my favourite artist of the 80s, that every young woman at the time wanted to be and wanted to emulate, that she'd turn from bubble gum pop to songs talking about sex, S&M, and enjoying and claiming that sexuality. The erotica album came out just as I was reaching my own sexual awakening and I think it shaped who I am today. The Erotica album and the Bedtime Stories album were such a departure from the "safe" pop music of the early 90s. When MTV banned the showing of Justify My Love because it was "too explicit", of course I wanted to see it. I bought it on VHS and the young little me was absolutely shocked, aroused, but I also listened to the lyrics. It was so shamelessly sexual, free, open, and not to mention musically it was just a great song. As Madonna said in that song "Poor is the man, whose pleasures depend, on the permission of another"
Another interesting direction would be how leather affected music. For example: Rob Halford of Judas Priest. When he came out in the late 90s, he said in an interview that the reason the band dressed the way they did is that it was what RH knew from going to leather bars and was comfortable wearing.
I grew up in a very conservative christian home (early 2000s), but my grandma always had her 60s-80s music going when we would visit. ABBA, Cher , Roy Orbison, Talking heads, Blondie, FleetwoodMac, so many. As soon as I escaped I deep dived into all of it and more, and started finding newer artists as I went along. Here are a few of them!
(Oriville Peck) Is an awesome country singer, half made out of Leather and fringe! "The Curse of the Blackened Eye" is a good one.
(Arca) Is an incredible talent, hard to describe everything they do, their songs "Time" and "Desafío" might be a good place to start.
(Bronze Avery) Someone I just heard recently, the songs "scan and copy" and "Boys!" are stuck in my head!
Happy to have found a few songs that are new to me today! And being able to look at some of the old ones in a new light!
Arca is quite interesting and strange which works for me. Love Orville's new track with Willie Nelson, but also find the original version of that too. Have you heard of Shortparis or Girl in Red?
Thank you so much Amp for putting the spotify playlist together. I was prepared to build it myself, but I'm glad I don't have to
For me "Relax" from Frankie goes to Hollywood was an eye opener.... The video with all the leather and fetish was awesome.
Happy Saturday On Guard.
Acoustic Dylan, early Baez singing ballads, later Beatles albums, Stones Let it Bleed - I knew them all well growing up courtesy of my Hippy father and political radical mother. I wish my father was still around so I could ask him who he saw live in SF in the 60s. I discovered David Bowie via Labyrinth as a very early teen. No record store had the soundtrack but I got Never Let Me Down on tape and it was perfect for the time. Not long after they started reissuing his albums on CD starting with Space Oddity and the different styles of the albums fit my growing up. Loved Hunky Dory, Diamond Dogs, Man who Sold the world. I am very much more of a sound person though, than lyrics. Loved the episode! Thanks for making it ❤
Music is such a massive part of my life, and it influences me so much, especially along the lines of activism and sexuality. So, thank you, thank you so much for this episode. I am immediately going to listen to that linked playlist!
(If I had to point out one song for myself it would be "Reptile" by Nine Inch Nails. I was in middle school when I stumbled upon it, and it had been out for years and years at that point, but I remember so vividly thinking, "music can sound like this?!" I'd never heard ANYTHING like that before. It started me on my metal music, sex, and kink positive journey)
WOOO this was absolutely fire !!! My favorite all time song stuck with me was the doors breaking on through the others side and touch of grey gratefuldead
I highly recommend "The Queer Gospel" by Erin McKeown. I first heard it when it debuted on the Podcast Welcome to Night Vale, which is itself very queer friendly and inclusive. It's used in their episode "Who's a Good Boy? Part 2", which was released right after the Pulse tragedy. It just hit so much harder after that. The song is about love and community, tuning out those who would vilify us and showing the world what we can do. It also helps that the chorus is a little bit kinky. Put in the context of both the events going on in the world at the time and the themes of the episode in which WTNV used it, it's such an incredibly powerful song.
I salute Mr. K for mentioning The The.
I’m the earliest days for me it was Tubular Bells. Roberta Flack, and Aladdin Sane (Bowie). Then Enigma and Butt Boy for playtime. And not so long ago (yesterday)😊 Florence and the Machine. Great show gentlemen.
My 5 choice’s would be:
David Bowie- Starman - seeing him on British tv 1972 looking like an alien had landed in our living rooms
Kate Bush - Breathing- Kate’s anti nuclear ☢️/ war opus that still resonates today
Gina X. - G.D.M - synth classic homage to Quentin Crisp
Change- Searching- beautiful Luther on vocals and a driving beat to keep you dancing
The Normal - Warm Leatherette- The original that inspired a Grace Jones cover
Awesome episode that left me with some new music to check out.
Graylyn you might not have known us which I understand. But when Madonna did hired a couple of the original choreographer That were creating a lot of the vogue in the houses Of New York. She also took these guys out on tour with her during her blonde ambition tour, and they are in the movie truth or dare.
As a certifiable music nut, I really enjoyed this episode! I've seen many of the singers and bands you all spoke about, so it all resonated.
But I really want to thank Kristopher for the shout out to Rubber Rebel magazine. My late partner Peter Tolos and I were the men who published and created those issues and although it's kind of faded into history (it was in the mid-90s), it was a big part of my life and it's always nice to see where it left an impact.
What a delight! Jim's selections resonate for my youth, though I might have talked about Phil Ochs and Janis Ian songs. Ochs' "Outside a Small Circle of Friends" caused quite a brawl with my dad, but it was "Crucifixion" with its electronics and about the JFK assassination that stuck with me. I kept "Venus in Furs" by Velvet Underground away from him. I lusted after Tim Buckley and Jim Morrison. "Lola" by the Kinks was the first truly queer song that came my way. I love how you talk about the importance of dancing. Ritualistic hedonism at its best. It was probably 73 or 74 when I went to a gay prom at Yale, my only time in drag except I refused to shave like on a Frank Zappa album cover. I had waist length hair then that a friend did in pin curls. Now that was torture. It was a fun evening. Can't leave without mention of my favorite "Smalltown Boy" by Bronski Beat. Recommendation for Jim: there is an odd album of disco versions of 60's songs by Sir Ivan. though not quite as good as Modern Rocketry's version of the Monkee's "Stepping Stone", it is fun. I have to add Fanny, their first album cover with one gal clutching the butt of another was provocative in 1970.
You can tell Graylin and the Pig have one of those friendships where you love and respect each other but if they spend too much time together they get on each others nerves 😂
The babes are back ✨
This was such a great episode! Thank you guys for sharing.
As a woman in her mid-twenties who appreciates music from all eras this was just lovely.
I would say... the album Graceland by Paul Simon is one of my all times favorite. Though it isn't very gay.
A more modern and very gay choice would be Fletcher's new album.
Thanks for mentioning Fletcher. I'd never heard of her. Good suggestion.
I was sitting with you sans cigar but full of music love. NIN, Prince, Tina Turner, George Michael...
Bravo, gentlemen! ❤💛💚💙💜
M Arana with Dom Brew Hunter Mastery. Incredible electric dungeon, music
I think the Bootblacking episode audio accidentaly got reuploaded under this title on Spotify, just so you guys know! Excited to watch this episode :)
Fixed. Thank You
A great song in the late 70s in the UK that may not have made an in N America was Tom Robinson's "Glad to be Gay", it was a real anthem, but the verses are essentially about how tough things were at the time witn queer bashing, police brutality and more. Worth a listen if you don't know it.
For me (not that anyone asked or even knows me) it was always metal. Judas Priest Green Manalishi, Iron Maiden Run for the hills, Dio, Black Sabbath and so on. My taste in music always varied from country to classical to rock and metal even, big band swing. Now my taste in music is hard core metal, I love it and always will. I will say it surprises me that the leather, kink, and bear communities aren't more into metal considering all the nuances and aspects of the genre lend themselves to those communities i.e. the leather, how sexual and phallic they are on stage in videos, always skirting the realm of BDSM and kink and so on. Rob Halford was, in my mind, the original leather Daddy and still is.
I quite liked te recommendations!! I’ll give them all a listen. Thank you for the episode!! Also thanks for the subtitles again
Oh my gosh thank you for the subtitles, i sometimes struggle and it helped so much
Me too! Being half deaf makes it really hard to watch some videos
My list (limited to four songs and one album):
-Girls like Girls by Hayley Kiyoko
-Queer as in fuck you by Dog Park Dissidents
-Trans dysphoria blues (album) by Against me
-Smells like Queer Spirit by Pansy Division
-Love you to death by Judas Priest
The Velvet Underground Venus In Fur, David Bowie and Brian Eno Low (full recording) and MaDonna Erotic
Songs that had impact... Hard to pick. 1: Kendall Kelly: Do you know how sexy you are. 2: Emiko Shiratori: Melodies of Life. 3: Of Monsters and Men: Little Talks. 4: Delain: We are the Others. 5: Imagine Dragons: It's Ok. (Brat mode) Extra: Ken Ashcorp: We're Shameless.
❤❤❤❤love smoking cigar 💨 💕 💖 ♥️
We still say psilocybin hahaha. I really enjoyed this episode. Love hearing what music influences others
Calling out elvis made me so happy
What does the BTS look like btw? Are they wearing mics on their bodies or is there a mic next to the camera?
Also, we do believe things like that. As a protestor myself. While I wasnt shot with actual bullet I was shot with rubber bullets and pepper sprayed with military grade mace a foot away. There's nothing stopping them from doing more.
Human Nature by Madonna was such a good song. Unashamedly sexual, it was a sexual awakening for me that my favourite artist of the 80s, that every young woman at the time wanted to be and wanted to emulate, that she'd turn from bubble gum pop to songs talking about sex, S&M, and enjoying and claiming that sexuality. The erotica album came out just as I was reaching my own sexual awakening and I think it shaped who I am today. The Erotica album and the Bedtime Stories album were such a departure from the "safe" pop music of the early 90s. When MTV banned the showing of Justify My Love because it was "too explicit", of course I wanted to see it. I bought it on VHS and the young little me was absolutely shocked, aroused, but I also listened to the lyrics. It was so shamelessly sexual, free, open, and not to mention musically it was just a great song.
As Madonna said in that song "Poor is the man, whose pleasures depend, on the permission of another"
Christopher and I are so aligned on music. My college years aligned with his and I think they bring back the same emotions.
Smoking cigar friends❤
Oh noooo! The Spotify link, in the description area, is invisible!?
Fixed. Sorry about that
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This episode- BORING
Thanks for the constructive comment. Hope You feel better soon.