My Blood sugar does go up when I eat a lot of protein. I was full carnivore no veggies at all and not even using any sauces. Just meat, salt and water is all I was eating. I do not know what causes this. It doesn't make sense that it's gluconeogenesis but there is definitely SOMETHING going on. This does not mean that I can't eat a carnivore diet. This only means that I have to take care to make sure I have more fat than protein and also pay close attention to my hunger signals to make sure I'm eating because I'm hungry, not because I'm bored or stressed. Also, I am still mostly carnivore but have added Avocados back to my diet as I do much better energy-wise when I have one a day.
For some reason my blood sugars have risen ! I use my keto mojo and it’s been over 100... today it was 153! Ketones 0.3 I also do fasting .... I cut out all artificial Sweetener when I began carnivore ! It’s so strange ! But I did read about glucose sparing ... don’t know if it’s that ??
My BG has been fairly normal (up a bit with more protein, not bad), but after so long on keto I noticed sleep struggle and feeling edgy or hyper (stressed when I'm not actually stressed), if that makes sense. I'm not actually anxious so I don't get it. I REALLY want it to go away.
In August, I had bypass surgery. My blood sugar was sky high when I went into the hospital. About a week after I got home, I chose to do keto and take out as many carbs as possible from my diet. My blood sugar went from 487 the day I entered the hospital to consistently around 150. I feel so good that I have this kind of control over my body. And an added benefit is ,I have lost 19 pounds.
first 3 days on KETO carnivore, I felt so satiated but it went down hill after that My BG went into the prediabetic rang. I didn't want to end up back in the diabetic range and I became ravenously hungry so I stopped KC. I sent you my BG graph on your FB page showing my attempts at KETO carnivore last year, you can see BG starting to rise in days!
My A1c was 11.2 this time last year. Didn't care. Didn't change. I had just lost my big sister a few months before. Fast forward to this past December - I felt like shi i it. I stopped sugar cold turkey on December 30. I had a headache throughout my entire head for 9 days, BUT it eventually went away, and my A1c yesterday was 6.9. My Dr told me you can't reverse diabetes. I told her to watch me, because my next A1c will be 5.0. She's on a mission to find something wrong with me, and I'm on a mission to prove her wrong 💪
Thank You for this! I've been a Type 2 Diabetic for over 30 years. (I'm 61). In Feb 2018 I weighed 368 lbs, and my HbA1c was 22. I began eating a Keto diet, and Intermittent Fasting (18/6 - 23/1); then switched to either Carnivore or Carneto (I use & prefer the term CARNETO over KETOVORE since the CARNivore portion (protein) makes up the majority of my meals over the kETO portion - which I use mainly for a bit of variety); plus it sounds cooler.) Anyway, since I began this lifestyle my HbA1c has remainef between 4.8 - 5.4, I have lost 133 lbs, and am off insulin, and all oral diabetes meds except for Metformin. So eating an average of 250 grams of protein per day has NOT RAISED my blood glucose levels or hampered my fat burning.
@@sheilaadams4088 Thanks Sheila. 😊 Not sure; maybe because I've been diabetic for so long that my body just doesn't produce ANY insulin; or maybe because it supposedly doed help to burn fat.
Did you all hear "Dr. Berry say, depending on your biochemistry, physiology and genetics, one has to find the right "balance/amount" of protein/fat compatible with ones system. " (thank you @Belinda Paysinger for typing the phrase out for me you saved me some time) Yes you will have a response and find a balance that is true to your body. You don't need to defend what is working for you! You also don't need to sell what works for you to everyone else who is searching for what works for them. I do better on a higher fat (although I just started treatment for my thyroid, so what works for me when my metabolism is working could be something different). That doesn't mean that I should tell everyone else to eat higher fat meats. I still eat Carnivore with occasional avocado and olives.
I've been brittle insulin. Dependant diabetic for 36 years. Immediately had blood sugars drop and level out once starting carnivore. My sugars barely fluctuate and I am working on adjusting my insulin levels. I have had zero blood sugar spikes directly from home cooked meats and have reduced my daiky insulin from 50u to 20 to 23u per day.
Dr. Berry, I am so grateful for the work you do. I have Diabetes 2. I was so lost and bewildered because everything I had been “taught” about taking care of it was opposite of what I should have been doing. Following your medical advise has put me on the road to recovery. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. I know I’m not the only one who wishes you could be our own physician. You are saving lives.
OH MY GOSH! I'm 15 weeks Carnivore (NO SUGAR NO CARBS) & my labs came back with HIGH GLUCOSE, EXTREME Cholesterol, & my typical, low thyroid. THANK YOU for this!
This is just what I needed to hear and learn about, thank you Dr Berry! I've been on keto-carnivore for one week & already I was stressing about how much protein to eat. I've only just learned that a 2:1 ratio of fat to protein is a ratio of grams. Even after one week, I can see a 'dent' in my waistline and my knees are far less painful. I can also feel that my BP is lower and that my adrenaline isn't everywhere - my body feels much calmer.
I really love that you properly introduce yourself in EVERY video you do! There are MANY people that are going to watch a video for the first time, and I think it is IMPORTANT to tell them where you've been and WHY you are doing what you are doing. I'm 7 months into my journey and 50 pounds gone(6 pounds from my goal weight of 165 5'9"), all pain removed, feel better, ACTUALLY WANT TO EXERCISE??? I am reviewing your Keto 101 and honestly can't stop watching! I'm 100 Videos in and still going! Love you Dr Berry, Keep going... and GROWING!!!
Saw a great video about this by Dr. Cywes the other week. The two points I took from it were. 1. If you aren't fat adapted and you cut out carbs and drop in a lot of protein your body will panic and turn a lot of the protein to glucose because that's what it knows how to run on. That's why keto is such low protein, to give your body no choice of alternative fuel via gluconeogenesis. High protein and high fat will still result in excessive gluconeogenesis in this state. 2. If you are fat adapted, make sure you consume an adequate amount of fat with your protein so the body has fuel and doesn't need to use the protein for fuel. This way it can use the protein for building/repair. That's the simple take away as I understood it. I suggest you find his video, he does a much better job of explaining it. For number 2, I personally try to match it gram for gram minimum. So at the end of the day if I eat 150g of protein I make sure I've eaten about 150g of fat. That's roughly 30% of calories from protein and 70% from fat. I don't check my blood sugar, but that's a good place to start. If you do have higher blood sugar eating 1:1, up the fat. You should be eating .5g of protein per lb of lean body weight every day at the very least. Protein should be your number one macro goal, then fat, then incidental carbs. Most people focus on the carbs to make sure they aren't getting "to many" and fat and protein are just kinda left for incidental macro's with inconsistent ratio's. This typically leaves people protein deficient and they start to lose muscle mass. Lose to much muscle mass and you lose more than weight, you lose resting metabolism.
Thanks for doing this video! I've seen so many videos that perpetuate "gluconeogenesis" as something to fear and arguing against eating "too much" protein. That has been confusing to me. Thanks for laying it out. It makes so much sense! THANK YOU!
Thank you for clearing this topic up for me. I have heard this mostly from body builders and people more in the fitness vs nutrition community. My blood sugar is perfect every single time we do blood work now, almost identical number regardless of fasting vs consuming something before hand. I have had lifelong experience with farming and ranching as well. Grass fed livestock heal the land. Soybean, corn, wheat and rapeseed (canola) suck the life out of it and leave it wanting.
I started fasting and keto about 10 months ago because 10 years after having lost 50# to reverse my prediabetes my glucose was always still around 100. During the 6 months I did clean keto I saw that drop to generally in the 80s and occasionally high 70s. I went strict traditional carnivore (i.e., no macro tracking) about 4 months ago and saw my fasting glucose climb into the 100-110 range. I didn't feel as great as I did on keto but I stuck with it because I was seeing things like muscle strengthening to the point that I'm stronger now at 62 than I was at 17 coming out of basic training. I've even seen my fallen arches start to recover after years of needing orthopedic insoles and am now running without them again. A couple of months ago I changed to a more high fat moderate protein carnivore and have seen the glucose drop back into the mid 90s and the bit of inflammation that came back on strict carnivore has subsided. So bottom line I do feel that high protein carnivore increased my fasting glucose. The inflammation I'm blaming on the fact that I ate plenty of cheese and heavy cream which I have since greatly (and reluctantly) cut back on, but don't really know. The dairy perhaps could be the cause of the glucose rise as well, except it's the same dairy I ate on keto. Anyway in my case it does seem that "Too Much Protein = Glucose" seems true. What else could it be? Love your videos, thanks for your great work!
I've noticed a substantial difference with inflammation by cutting out diary and caffeine, I am at the point now I feel it for a day or two after Ingest dairy, hard to pin it to dairy alone BC I had quit coffee and caffeine the same time I stopped dairy, I do feel better off the stuff. I'm going in 9 weeks
The more I read it seems to be a "dosage" issue. Like Dr. Berry said, depending on your biochemistry, physiology and genetics, one has to find the right "balance/amount" of protein/fat compatible with ones system.
I noticed that when I ate dairy (especially cheese) my allergies start to act up (e.g. rash, shortness of breath). Then I remembered that to make cheese an enzyme called rennet is added which contains a protein called casein which many people have an allergy. Combined with my parents taking me off dairy as a child to manage asthma led me to eliminate dairy from my diet and my health improving. The bottom line is that dairy does not offer my physiology any benefits (except clarified butter that is only fat).
@@timothysmith9269 Yeah, there's a chance my nose gets itchy when I eat cheese now. I might go carnivore for a few weeks and add only cheese to find out. Could be that, or nuts, but I'm not eating much else.
Thank you! Since 18 1/2 years ago when my son was diagnosed with Type 1 Diabetes, doctors have been telling us that excess protein turns into carbs. So glad to learn the truth! 💕
Dr Berry you cant imagine how much you helped me. Thank you for all those precious information that you gaved us. Your my reference on my carnivore diet journey.
Dr. Barry, I really enjoy your videos. I like your approach. First you are very experience. You're a doctor who works with patients all the time. You understand how the body works. There are many so called guru's on RUclips who think they know everything, but don't have the medical background to back up there claims. Not all are bad though. But, I do notice that some of them leave out important information or just don't tell the whole story. That's frustrating and discouraging. I've learned so much from you. Thank you!
I've had high glucose for the last 8 months on the carnivore diet and was not eating any sugars I kept looking for answers but didn't realize that the electrolytes I was putting in my water was causing the problem when I finally discovered that my glucose came down the electrolytes said nothing about sugar in them but apparently they can add small percentage of malediction without notating it
What you are exposing here is insane. It means that many medical education's concepts need real revisiting. Thank you so much for this video in particular and the other one which speak on kidney and protein & of course all your videos. Just brilliant and honest guy you are. Mohamed
Thank God for this. I was happily chowing down on my eggs, bacon and beef every day and then started to panic about my protein intake. Got confused by keto guidelines for 80% fat in my diet. That's a scary number.
OMG Doc, thank you for this...I cringe every time I hear someone say "Lower your protein intake, or you are eating too much protein". If that were the case, every carnivore would be diabetic.
@@oneshot3216 I think that depends of your muscle mass as well as how active you might be. Agree that too much protein will spike insulin and then BG if your pancreas cannot keep up.
What people like Dr Beryy fail to recognize year after year is that some people have a really sick pancreas. They can produce insulin but not enough. In this case type when these people eat excess protein the BG goes up especially the next morning in an exaggerated DAWN EFFECT. It does not whether Gluconeogenesis is supply or demand driven or both. The fact is that excess protein does convert to BG and is also converted to FAT when insulin takes some of the BG out. FACT. If you are severely IR you can literraly measure this with a BG meter!!!!!
Eating too much protein on carnivore absolutely spikes my blood sugar and keeps it high. I do not have a gall bladder so I don't like the very high fat part of carnivore, but when I eat more protein and less fat my blood sugar goes up and stays up (typically in the 125 to 135 range rather than in the 90s. I have to fast for 3 days to get my blood sugar back down under 100 when I am eating too much protein compared to fat consumption.
@@Faithful9er4L High fat without a gallbladder can give you a very loose stool. I take ox bile with my large meals that are high fat and that off sets my not having a gall bladder. Ox bile can be found on Amazon and other places and comes in 125, 500, or 1000 mg caps. With a large meal I take one 1000 mg cap and with a smaller meal just one or two 125mg caps.
As I am still very insulin resistance, I get too high BS all hours of the day - and night. I am testing BS often and when I eat less protein, the BS goes down. My hope is that the lower insulin will make it easier to get in ketosis. Eating very low carb for months now, hope it will get better. BUT - too much protein is not good for me.
Same thing with Dr.Baker and his high fat carnivore test.He found that eating only egg yolks and hence %85 percent fat that his high BS levels dropped to very low levels.
@@fredrikbarthlen5222 watch the Dr Ben Bikman video that he linked in the show notes. It talks about how protein and fat have an effect if baseline glucose levels are above normal fasting numbers or if eaten with carbs. That rise in sugar is gluconeogenesis but it’s not coming from the food you eat. Rather it’s coming from your own muscle. Your leg and butt muscle. When you eat protein, glucagon gets produced which can raise sugars just a tad. If you don’t make insulin (like a type 1 diabetic) or you are insulin resistant, in both cases the cells of the body are starving for food cause in both cases, sugar is stopped from entering the cells. They release a signal that they are starving which tells the brain to spike glucagon to tell the liver to make glucose cause the cells aren’t getting any. This is where berberine is helpful. It helps stop the glucagon which helps to keep your sugars lower. Pairing a meal with some exercise afterwards also makes sure the sugar gets into the cells. Sugar needs insulin as a chaperone to get into the cell. Except when exercising. The contraction of the muscles pulls it in without the need for insulin and despite any insulin resistance. So the cells of your body get fed and that keeps glucagon from spiking as well.
I eat 200 grams a day, most often in two meals. I test by blood sugar w finger prick and monitor. I never go over 120. Never. One hour two hour post meal never go over 120. I was pre diabetic before going carnivore. Now I’m fine. I feel amazing. Thanks to all the cool carnivore docs putting great info for us. Thanks😊
Great video. I had been wondering about this. Several well-known doctors, and even keto influencers, said you have to monitor macros like crazy since excess protein is always turned to glucose. I was shared this would happen to me since I was diagnosed pre-diabetic.
I do believe Dr. Berry said yr blood sugar stabilizes after being fat adapted. And I'm thinking that bs in the 80s might not be normal. Maybe in the low 100s is the carnivore normal.
I’m really glad to hear that I don’t have to restrict my proteins so much to get all the benefits from keto because such a diet just wouldn’t be sustainable for me.
Gluconeogenesis isn’t always demand driven. The Dawn Effect, which everyone gets, is the liver automatically supplying glucose as you wake up whether you need it or not. When you are fat-adapted, your cells don’t need the glucose and leave it in your blood. It’s called physiological insulin resistance or its keto euphemism ‘adaptive glucose sparing’. That means your fasting BG can be high until you eat.
Hey that’s interesting. So is part of the issue people are to worried about that morning BG increase? To clarify are you saying to not worry about that and it’s normal? I have no issue with that, I’m just learning about it all now.
@@yoso585 Thanks for your worthless no-content comment. Maybe you could explain or point me to a resource that explains why I have misunderstood the Dawn effect? That would be very helpful.
@@blakebunch4485 thats right, so if your insuling resistant or becoming one, you will notice the dawn effect spike, other people dont because their cells will absorb the needed glucose
I have this problem once a month when for a few days my blood sugar goes high and stays high even fasted...After 2-3 days it resolves itself but i don't feel 100% for those days. My fix that I'm experimenting with is to lower protein and increase my fat intake...
I just wanted to let you know, I have been carnivore for a week. I had been a ketovore for a year and lost 100lbs in a year, but for the past couple of months, I had been stalled out. In just this one week, I've knocked myself out of the stall and already lost 11lbs. Thank you so much for all the information! You've been such a big help in my journey.
Good information! I was wondering about the one section of the brain needing glucose and was unaware of the other areas of the body besides the liver that can produce it. I found out that Gluconeogenesis can also produce glucose for fight or flight situations if you are not consuming carbs. Hard, intense workouts can see a temporary rise in glucose too. A simple relaxing walk afterwards will bring the glucose back down quicker. I think people forget or don't realize that the body always tries to keep you healthy. We just have to stop feeding it a bad diet so it can. I've been on a meat-based diet for 6 years and haven't been sick with a virus since then. I just don't get sick anymore. I think it's ridiculous to believe that the body will willy-nilly overproduce glucose for any reason. That would be unhealthy. Let's not forget either that it converts fat to glucose first and uses protein only if needed. Since we tend to have more available fat for that process it makes more sense than believing an arbitrary "too much protein" will trigger it. I eat lots of protein and do not have any issues.
My sugars have definitely plummeted using carnivore, and I'm still on more protein than fat (although I'm continually adding more fats since I do think that's the more optimal way of doing it).
Thanks Dr. Berry for continuing to provide meaningful RUclips videos. Although the number of "Likes" and "Dislikes" have been dwindling, it's more of a reflection of the current political and COVID-19 information overload which seems to be sucking the oxygen out of all other media. Thanks for staying motivated! You are making a real difference in many lives.
I don't think the issue with blood sugar spikes is solely due to eating too much protein. It's probably because the person isn't eating enough fat with the protein to help balance out their blood sugar levels. I experienced fluctuating blood sugar levels when I ate high protein carnivore but I wasn't eating enough fat with my meals and I think that's why. I listened to the fear mongering about eating too high protein and ate higher fat, moderate protein carnivore (80:20) and my hair started falling out, my nails became thin and brittle, my energy levels plummeted, etc. So I obviously need a lot more protein than other people do. 80:20 carnivore probably works great for lots of people, but unfortunately it didn't work for me. Now I'm eating closer to 70:30 carnivore and I'm looking and feeling a lot better! So don't listen to fear mongerers about protein. Just try different ratios and listen to what your body tells you works best for you.
80:20 doesn't work for me either. I feel the best when I am doing 70:30, but very often I do 65:35..I am trying to eat less than 100g of protein, but always feel hungry...
Ive gone from 210 to 184 this morning. Im 6' amd 45 yrs old so by the BMI i was over weight to now a normal body weight in 3 weeks of carnivore. Beef , bacon , eggs , cheese , some sea food all cooked in butter ( real butter ) or bacon fat . Some eye floaters already getting so small i can hardly tell , my bloated gut was gone in a week , my bowel movements have gotten less messy more firm and easier to clean , my always hurting shoulder that i was sure i had torn a rotator cuff doesnt hurt anymore my joints as a whole feel 1000% better low back pain almost gone. Im starting to feel 20 again.
I don't know if it has anything to do with gluconeogenesis but some people with metabolic issues can result in their blood sugars going higher on strict Carnivore if they eat too much. It is likely too much protein as Ben Bikman points out a few of his talks. Telling a diabetic to eat until you are comfortably stuffed is not a great idea since in some it could push their blood sugars back into the type 2 range. I know I am one of them. I have been a strict Carnivore for over a year, I got my levels to normal from the SAD diet but I would crave a lot of meat, and when I ate what my body told me, my blood sugar would go back to type 2 levels and stay there until I reduced amount of meat, even on the lion diet. This was indicated by both A1C and blood glucose strips with extensive testing and multiple labs. When I reduced my dietary intake, they went back to normal. Whether it is protein, fat, or some mixture of the two, some diabetics can not eat until they are comfortably stuffed. Carnivore has an immense amount of benefits even to a diabetic but eating until you are stuffed is about the worst advice someone can get in that situation. You have to track your protein and fat over some time and then assess whether eating too much on Carnivore can create an issue for you. Apparently, it is really only for some, not everyone. Carnivore is not a flawless way of eating, it is just much better than SAD. Please be skeptical about the guru's advice in this space. They think they know, but they probably really don't. What is interesting is he cites Ben Bikman and it was he who led me to this conclusion when no one in the Carnivore community would even consider it. I get the impression Mr. Berry lives in a bubble and only acknowledges information about his own dogmatic beliefs.
Forgot to add my last check of fasting insulin before starting this carnivore was 3.2. Fasting glucose 72. I hit all the marks in the NMr lipid profile. But eating ribeyes everyday has my sugar higher. Why? Before I was eating more wild caught salmon, sardines in water, lots of olive oil, eggs, cheese (Gouda, Brie, Goat) Greek full fat yogurt. No issues. I weigh 152 lbs 5 ft 5 inches, male , waist 83 cm
I went Keto 2 1/2 yrs ago. At that time my A1C was 6.8 and I weighed 265. I now weight 210 and my A1C is 5.4. This way of eating solved a number of problems I was having and I feel good. I am not able to be active, but to achieve this sort of weight loss and keep it off without exercise has sure been a surprise. I strongly suspect that the cortisol from being upset over quarantine & the rest of the merry mess has kept me from losing more weight. None the less, I continue to eat Keto/and lately Carnivore.
The mistake here is not considering that though “demand driven,” demand can increase because of increased insulin release which causes the lack of fat release which causes more call for glucose production. So make sure ya got plenty of fat mixed in with that protein.
When I eat too much protein my BG stays high. And I feel like garbage because I’m not able to make ketones and have no energy source. I crave. I’m tired. My mood is low. My sleep is trash and I have zero energy.
I´m on my second week on the keto-carnivore diet and I feel amazing. Some of the pros: mental clarity, perfect digestion, stable mood, stable sugar, and also improved sleep. The most important thing for me is that I had a heart arrhythmia for 18 years and it went away. I still can´t believe it! I wasn´t expecting it. With a standard diet, I was taking magnesium supplements, also eating red meat but sporadically, and never felt so good like I do now. I used to have arrhythmia sometimes after eating and before falling asleep, sometimes even during the day. In my last cardiac stress test, I had arrhythmia also, something that never happened to me before and worried me a lot. So there is something about this diet that seems protective to the heart. I will continue as long as I feel this good. What works for me is eating 3 times a day moderate amounts of meat, no snacking. This is what works for me: the juice of one grapefruit an hour before breakfast, then 2 beef patties with one spoon of butter, the same for lunch, and for dinner some organ meat, red meat, or chicken, someday I might add cooked veggies, especially if I make chicken soup. Sea salt for seasoning, magnesium for the supplementation, and plenty of mineral water. I don´t fast on purpose, only eat when hungry, it happens to be three times a day.
@@carolhinman7936 I did, but I didn´t weight myself because it´s not my goal, I can see my body composition changing, also less water retention and no bloating. Here is a little update, maybe it will help someone: I use the app cronometer to check if I´m consuming enough micro and macronutrients for the day, I also experienced arrhythmia again, and it was bad. I realized it was because of the electrolytes, especially potassium, I was having a lot of sodium and little potassium, so I added one small potato (palm size) a day and one banana (one carbohydrate per meal, not altogether in one meal) and I felt good again. I reduced the amount of meat to around 150gr + an egg or 2 per meal. I continue drinking the grapefruit juice and I eat broccoli or cauliflower or any other green veggie in at least one meal and 2 homemade yogurts for the calcium. I also added 1 to 2 tablespoons of fresh parsley for the vit k and c. The arrhythmia freaked me out, so I consume some carbohydrates now, also helped me with my workouts. Now that I experienced the carnivore, I can tell that if you want to be extremely alert someday, you might want to avoid carbohydrates, the sharpness of the mind is noticeable. Also, it healed my gut. I also try to reach the 30 gr of protein per meal to promote protein synthesis in my body (especially for breakfast) and eat a healthy amount of carbohydrates to feel the best. I do see things that won't be beneficial for me in an extreme carnivore diet long terms like the electrolytes inbalance or deshidratation. I´m looking for a type of diet where I can feel comfortable and healthy, I don´t think it has a name because every body is different. My stomach is flat when I eat only meat, I always wonder why I was feeling like a balloon after eating and other people were fine. I guess digestion is everything. My mother can´t digest red meat, so I wonder it´s not for everybody. If you feel amazing after eating it, then maybe it will work for you. Edit: A mild mental fog is back, things like I was trying to type one name and type another, or walking to a place and forget what I was going to do there for a moment, or wanting to tell someone sth and forget what I was about to say. Small common things that I wasn´t experiencing when eating cero carbohydrates. But, on carbohydrates I´m studying several hours (6 the other day) with more will.
i also had this heart arythmia. it completely went away when i stopped eating all kinds of grains. high blood pressure also went away. i also had depresion all my life, sleep problems and much more. suddenly, i am a mornin person, which i never was. so, i wonder if you are intolerant to grains as well? I especially felt this cardiac thing 10 minutes after eating. i figured it was the alcohol. but it stayed after i stopped drinking for good. now, when i eat a very good meal, like fatty beef with eggs and butter, my body instantly gets very warm, like there is a heating element going on. i fell like i could go out in cold rain to run for 15 miles and be totally allright. i guess that is the feeling that I want from a meal, insted of these heart palpitations and arrythmias.
Just what I've been wondering this last week. Perfect timing. I can name a few people I got this information from and was wondering if it was still true. Thank you so much for explaining this and easing my curiosity
In carnivores consuming a natural diet, the low carbohydrate content minimizes the possibility that large changes in glucose will occur during the absorptive phase following a meal. When the diet contains low amounts of glucose, hepatic gluconeogenesis is predicted to be the major pathway to maintain blood glucose.👍
You definitely need to have another look at this topic. It appears if you eat more protein than you need your body will turn the excess into glucose. It probably won’t cause diabetes but it will cause pre diabetes levels.
I think if the goal is to run your body mainly on ketones, then yes, a significant percentage taking that route have to substantially restrict how much protein they eat. A lot of people, who think they are running on mainly ketones, are not.....but they feel good because they are getting properly fueled by glucose via gluconeogenesis.
Interesting.. thank you!! I’m trying carnivore for the first time and I’m really upping my fat, eating some butter or a tbsp of brain octane oil or something before meals, and more with my meals. It definitely helps with hunger and I think I need high fat to heal thyroid, adrenals, pcos, etc. I know I still have insulin resistance after 20+ years of being paleo-keto.
There are indocrinologists on you tube who are saing this and one says meat wil give you cancer. They are saying that protein will cause glucose to spike several hours after you eat it. Yhank you for the reassurance.
I don't know if I agree you Dr Berry. When I eat a 10 oz ribeye steak and 2 or 3 fried eggs in butter, my ketones go from 3 or 4 down to 1 or 2. I'm still in ketosis but my glucose level goes above 100 as well. I am referring to my ketone / glucose levels the following morning after my midday meal. I'm only eating one meal a day around noon or 1 pm.
It also seems from my geeky research, that as the body breaks down triglycerides the blood stream is supplied with FFA (free fatty acids) and a glycerol back bone. The GLYCerol is also supplied with water from adipose tissue. And supposedly with this are the residue of pollutants and additives from our environment, clothing cosmetics and foods. If you’re on a zero carb Plantfree diet, the body knows how to crack open fat cells for sugar like I can crack open eggshells on a Saturday brunch!
Thank you, Dr Ken. I am just starting on Carnivore and I am seeing my glucose levels a bit elevated. I will stick with it and I look forward to the glucose dropping to a better level.
@@olifs8083 Thank you for asking… this morning 8/27/24, 6:30 am, my glucose is 87 and ketones are 1.5. I test my glucose/ketones once a week now… it appears my insulin resistance is subsiding and my body is getting fat adaptive. At age 53, I no longer have hot flashes and I SLEEP all through the night. I am so appreciative of Dr. Ken in that he simplifies what we need to do. Eliminate all carbs… so easy to follow. I am on the journey with the Carnivore family! Thank you 🙏🏼
@@frr1900ng nice to hear that. I will start my journey again after vacation - just my last junk craze trip. after that strict carnivore. previously I did carnivore for a month but I started to experience pain in pancreas. soo I stopped. I think my glucose was high. finding info about high glucose while on carnivore made me worried. It''s like eat whatever you want and it will rise sugar.... :( because this is my last straw to get my health back. Thank you so much for update. 👍🙏
Couldn’t come at a better time I’m freaking out... been keto for over 2 years .. KETOVORE ... for 4 months This last week my morning blood glucose is over 100... Today 153! ketones were 0.3.... I have NEVER had BS that high and I am not diabetic ! Help
I experienced an increase in BG when full carnivore. Still in a healthy range, but high for me. (Occurred about 10 weeks in). I was Keto for 18 months prior. I currently cycle between strict carnivore and Keto. It works for me.
@@keralee You added fruits to carnivore, or to keto? I ask because I am trying to fix my high fasting glucose score... I'm around 115. Thank you in advance.
@@bostonjackson9384 mine was similar. Quit keto-carnivore, via fruit since the liver can control rate of conversion of fructose to glucose. At first blood glucose will spike like mad, do not be alarmed, body will upregulate production of right enzymes to manage sugars again in a few days usually. Slowly increase do not go crazy with fruit right away and always have it with a protein and WITHOUT any pufa or mufa fats. Its the combo of pufa/mufa plus fructose that seems to be particularly obnoxious. Likely genetic esp if you are of N European ancestry. It took a few months before my excess cortisol stopped and dawn blood sugars and A1C both dropped.
@@bostonjackson9384 I fixed the high fasting glucose numbers by adding fruit back to carnivore diet, plus some veg. Gradually increased amounts of fruits and veg as body re-adapted. It took about 3 months of fruit intake before my cortisol normalized...was like an invisible weight lifting away! Later slowly added starches back. The trick to making carbs safe-ish to ingest seems to be to avoid pufa fats like the plague. And that includes from factory farmed animal sources like chicken and pork. Pufa and fructose together are a metabolic disaster, unless you are anorexic.
I am eating carnivore and my carbs are between zero and 5 grams daily and my blood sugar is up in the 125 to 135 range. Eating too much protein absolutely causes my blood glucose to rise. In fact eating almost any protein causes my blood glucose to rise. This is very frustrating, since according to the best sources it should not be happening, but it is. I basically eat beef, bacon, eggs, and butter.
Instead of trying to find a trustable authority when you are in doubt about this, I would suggest the following: Get into a very low carb diet for a reasonable number of days then choose a day in which you measure your blood glucose every single hour, especially after ingesting the amount of meat that you think could spike blood sugar. After the experiment decide for yourself.
@@muchasalud2011 I am not quite sure that it is absolutely necessary to follow the cellular cycle, but it seems quite reasonable to discuss that further and it is certainly on the conservative side.
Thank you for this video. I just started the carnivore diet and was sitting here wondering if the 140 grams of protein that I had yesterday was too much. That is the most that I have had so far. I "Googled" it and of course there was everything saying that you can have too much protein. It was saying if you have more than 30 grams per meal, it goes to your kidneys. I am so glad I looked this up as it relates to the carnivore diet and this video came up.
Dr. Berry, if a carnivore veteran is able to absolutely assure you that all external/diet related factors that lead to carb creep can be excluded, what is the underlying physiological issue that prohibits one from entering ketosis or ever achieving a FBG under 100? Water only Intermittent fast, 3 day fast, 5 day fast... it does not matter. FBG over 100 and nutritional ketosis is never achieved with no carbs consumed. If gluconeogenesis cannot be blamed, what is the reason? How are you so confident that it absolutely cannot be gluconeogenesis apart from the intelligent liver and gut argument? Something is obviously happening internally and the gluconeogenesis argument is really the only offered explanation we are finding. What explanation can you offer us? Please help! I promise I will donate $100 to your Patreon if you will help us on this. It really is this frustrating for many of us.
I have been told by my doctor that BG spikes from protein should not be feared, as gluconeogenesis is an on-demand process. Making glucose from protein is a very expensive process for your body and it requires a crap ton of energy to do. So your body’s not going to waste the effort making that glucose unless it’s really needed. So he said that if I get a BG spike after a clean protein meal (being really honest with myself about whether the meal was really clean or not), not to sweat it. My body must need the glucose. With that said, I do think that early on when I was still really obese that limiting protein was a good thing. But now that I’m down to trying to lose the last 15 pounds and powerlifting and doing mad amounts of HIIT training, my body is better able to regulate the metabolism and gluconeogenesis. So it may simply be a matter of where someone’s metabolism is in the healing process, amount of exercise, etc. that determines how people react to what amount of protein.
Type 1 diabetic (LADA) since 2017. I have lowered my A1/c from 10.8 to 5.4 via low carb and resistance training 6 days/week. My carb sugar spikes are under control throughout the day, yet my protein spikes after dinner, while I'm asleep are still a problem. I do not bolus with rapid acting, yet I am experimenting with basil insulin bolus several hours prior to my normal high protein dinner, with inconsistent success.
I was doing keto/carnivore and my sugar levels went way up. (I’m not diabetic but it did scare me). Fasting glucose went from 80 to 120’s. So I left the diet all together. Ended up going plant based and sugars went back down to around 90. Now I am just confused on what to do. Eating plant based and I have a lot of joint pain and my lichen Planus flares. Eating keto causes a lot of GI upset.
@@PinkieJoJo I am just guessing but thinking that your protein intake was way too high. Over 80 grams of actual protein per day and my blood sugar will climb as well. 1.2 grams per kilo of desired body weight is plenty for most people.
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I watched Dr. Bikman video and I see glucose spike after alanine intake in both groups. The difference is not in glucose but in insulin.
when my brother was diagnosed with t2d, I asked, "so why don't you just eat meat?" he said, "apparently meat turns to sugar in the body" ... this is what his diabetic advisor at the hospital told him. Several years later when I was diagnosed with t2d, I asked my adviser "so how about just a diet high in meat?" she said, "meat breaks down into sugar in the body if you eat too much of it" ... I'm still trying to break free of the brainwashing, I just keep telling myself, "whatever sugars the body creates from the meat can't possibly compare to the sugars I ingest via bread, chocolate, pasta, and all that other processed crap." ... it's a slow hard process but 2021 is a new year, and in these last 10 days of 2020, I'll be clearing out my cupboards from the last of the processed carbage... easing down to keto, then into ketovore then carnivore in january. wish me luck please, and good luck to all of you who are doing the same thing!
Dear Dr Ken, I am on a carnivore diet for years, I am obese and doing carnivore I gain more than 20 pounds. My glucose every morning is between 110 - 140! I realized that more protein make me produce more sugar, the total opposite of what must be happening... Why? Thank you so much
Would you please make a video about why some of us who are T2 diabetic have livers that make too much glucose even when we are eating almost no carbohydrates? This is the main problem I am dealing with.
In a word: homeostasis, which is basically your body's "thermostat". It takes time for your body to clue in that it no longer needs your glucose "temperature" so high.
@@ReversingDiabetes I've been eating almost no carbs for 3 years now and my blood fasting glucose is still around 115. This notion that "it takes time" seems erroneous. Three years is plenty of time.
Great, but my insulin is down, I'm slim, and exercise, but my A1C and fasting blood sugar are through the roof. Been on keto/carnivore for four years now. Blood sugar came down fore a while, but now strangely way way up again.
I haven't ever liked fat in my life (and still don't) at 71 years old. But if I go high protein my blood sugar stays high (90 to 110) and my weight increases, so I am resigned to eating high fat. I have tried this several times with the same result. I also have Hashimoto's. Carnivore is great if all it ever did was cure my eczema, which it did, but for many other reasons. I must say I am careful to get enough protein because at my age sarcopenia is real and can be permanent damage. Not a game.
My N=1 is clear. You are spot on with my response. If you are familiar with Paleomedicina in Hungary, they use the same protocol to cure seemingly everything.
I really appreciate what you do and how you do it! Thank you for including research links as well. Very useful to deal with opinions that have no basis.
With ketosis maintained diet of 20 gm carbs per day...and fasting 48 hours weekly.. a1c dropped ... but too low protein .... so increased protein to 1gm per lean body mass without fasting and resulted am glucose up up up... returning to 48 hour fasting weekly and keeping protein up during nonfasting days to see if I can get a handle on am glucose. Otherwise will drop some protein.
I tried both high fat and high protein. (zero carb the entire time) When I started carnivore (cold turkey), it was high protein (3lbs + every day) and i experienced fatigue and waking up frequently at night. Then I transitioned to high fat diet (200g plus and 50~60g of protein) (monitoring my BS and ketones). During this high fat diet, i actually experienced hypoglycemia. My BS would drop to 50s.. in the late evening and ketones were as high as 6 or 7. and i had brain frog in the mornings all the time after woke up and felt like i still needed more sleep..... I would gain weight if my protein was a little bit over. After 2~3 months of very high fat (my morning fasting BS now had been stable at 70~80s), i decided to go back to high protein again, this was a few days ago. I now don't add extra fat but just some butter on eggs only and fatty meat ( i tracked once, it was close to 1:1 in grams). Surprisingly, my BS stays around 80 now after a high protein meal and my ketones are at 1.3. I eat enough in breakfast and lunch so that i dont have to eat dinner so my hunger signal fixed itself as well.. (If i add too much seasoning other than salt to my meat, i would get bad heartburns which mess up my hunger signals) I think because of the fact that i am not eating late in the afternoon/evening, i actually havent been waking up at night and now i wake up feeling amazing. The brain frog that i experienced in high fat is gone...... My husband is doing this the same way, and he is giving me the same feedback. I definitely think that when ur body is doing glucogenesis, there is something else going on with the body.. dont blame protein... I eat about 150g of protein each day and wow..... feeling amazing.... Also, my weight has been trending down with very little effort.
I too have had problems with hypoglycemia on high fat. I've heard it said that when fat fueled, it's okay to drop down into the 50's and 60's but I'm just not comfortable with that. I also have had BG over 100 several hours after eating high protein. I'm currently tracking to see what the sweet spot is for my ratios.
@@Anita-silver yeah!! I could feel my hands shaking when bs dropped to 50s even tho ketones were high at 6 or 7. I also couldnt concentrate as much. That mental clarity was gone when BS was too low.. So definitely should not let BS drop to 50 to 60's. Try to play around with your protein & fat ratio, find ur sweet spot
@@flyinglilianarose The ketones being high is what made it all confusing. Had been hearing from my favorite gurus to not go above 60 grams of protein a day but you have to check all things out for yourself. Sitting at about 90 grams right now and doing much better so far.
So what does this mean? I'm reading through all the comments and it seems that what Dr. Berry is saying is not their experience. The experiences here are real life. So what are we supposed to take from this? I do low carb not keto. I don't do carnivore as I just don't want or feel I need that much protein. I also don't eat the percentage of fat that most do as too much fat makes me a little queasy. I modified my diet to fit what I feel best with and that includes way more non-starchy vegetables than most low carb/keto people. If what Dr. Berry says is absolute fact what is the reason for the physical response that it seems the majority of people are getting here. If blood sugar is spiking and A1C is rising and they are carnivore we need the answer as to why it's happening.
Perhaps it requires more study------essential amino acids are definitely the master macro nutrient for Homo sapiens, but there is some other biochemical phenomenon at work here when it comes to the keto/carnivore diet. The Masai, a tribe in Kenya eat only meat and milk and have thrived for centuries----they don't eat vegetables because they claim it makes then weak. What's going on?
Thanks Dr. Berry!! I've been hearing contradictory data regarding protein and it's been rather frustrating... I have read the P:E Diet by Dr. Ted Naiman... It resonated with me! But listening to other keto gurus on RUclips has caused me to doubt my understanding. I am so happy that you also have confirmed what I felt was right!
In my experience gluconeogenesis its not tightly regulated and if the extra protein is there it will be converted to glucose as much as you give it...and also gluconeognesis doesn't seem to have an insulin response if at all ..
@Dr Ken Berry. You are wrong on this one. What you and et al fail to grasp is that if you are IR your liver is also IR and will not respond to insulin. When you are IR your liver will keep making excess glucose from excess protein via gluconeogenesis , because the liver is IR it does not know when to stop making glucose, and if you also have a weak pancreas you will spike blood sugar and have an exaggerated dawn effect. I enjoy your videos and hope you will keep this topic going? Gluconeogenesis is also SUPPLY DRIVEN. If you are not IR you would not notice it, if you are IR but have a strong pancreas you also would not notice it. if you are IR and also have a weak pancreas you will be able to prove it by testing your blood sugars...fact.
High protein and moderate fat absolutely spikes my blood sugar. This is exactly my experience and I am IR. I have not been able to find any research supporting this other than frequent testing of my own blood sugar. When eating high fat and moderate protein, my fasting blood sugar is in the 90's and when eating high protein and moderate fat, my fasting blood sugar level will rise to the 125 to 135 range. Today I at 40 hours of fasting and my blood sugar has come down to 109. Typically it will take at least 72 hours of fasting to get my blood sugar back down under 100.
@@philmorris8862 Yeah. I have given up. I am on high protein low fat at the moment and although I have high BG in the morning, around 170, I am ignoring it because it gets to near normal in the late afternoon. I do not take meds and figure that my high morning BG is not high enough to worry about - put another way, I still have my arms and legs and feel strong and have grown a lot of muscle so I assume my nerves are strong too. My goal is to get solid and muscle bound and stay that way thereby ensuring that I do not have fatty pancreas and/or fatty liver. Stay in my Personal Fat Threshold. I think despite my higher than normal morning BG I am still strong and healthy and getting rid of fatty liver should be my absolute priority. I struggle doing high fat carnivore. I will get my nerve density tested soon as that is one of the main concerns with high BG. My insulin is always in range and on the low side so I doubt I have hyperinsulinemia. Unfortunately Dr Berry have not provided any advice I can use for my condition because he thinks gluconeogenesis demand driven. I think supply and demand are misnomers and terms that should not be used to describe biochemistry. The biochemistry would be that excess protein consumption "triggers" gluconeogenesis.
I have reduced my protein some and increased my fat some and I am doing more fasting. That seems to be helping some, but I am still spending most of the time north of 100 and south of 120 unless prolonged fasting, which is not good. I think consuming coconut oil helps also, as when I do that with coffee or tea, my BG comes down closer to 100 and my ketones go up. I plan to do much more 3 and 4 day fasts to try and get my BG back down under 100.
@@philmorris8862 Yeah good luck with prolonged fasting. My max fast was 11 days without food.Of course while you do prolonged fasting it works but it is very hard to sustain on a regular basis. I have moved on to high protein carnivore (because I found high fat unnatural and could not sustain it) because I figure that high protein will get me lean and solid and then see if that improves my condition. I suspect it will take time....years perhaps and regular exercise in my case will be a must in order to get to normal BG. I am convinced this will work but need a year to practice it proper and confirm.
What has been your experience with your blood sugar when eating more protein??
My Blood sugar does go up when I eat a lot of protein. I was full carnivore no veggies at all and not even using any sauces. Just meat, salt and water is all I was eating. I do not know what causes this. It doesn't make sense that it's gluconeogenesis but there is definitely SOMETHING going on. This does not mean that I can't eat a carnivore diet. This only means that I have to take care to make sure I have more fat than protein and also pay close attention to my hunger signals to make sure I'm eating because I'm hungry, not because I'm bored or stressed. Also, I am still mostly carnivore but have added Avocados back to my diet as I do much better energy-wise when I have one a day.
For some reason my blood sugars have risen ! I use my keto mojo and it’s been over 100... today it was 153! Ketones 0.3
I also do fasting .... I cut out all artificial
Sweetener when I began carnivore ! It’s so strange ! But I did read about glucose sparing ... don’t know if it’s that ??
My BG has been fairly normal (up a bit with more protein, not bad), but after so long on keto I noticed sleep struggle and feeling edgy or hyper (stressed when I'm not actually stressed), if that makes sense. I'm not actually anxious so I don't get it. I REALLY want it to go away.
In August, I had bypass surgery. My blood sugar was sky high when I went into the hospital. About a week after I got home, I chose to do keto and take out as many carbs as possible from my diet. My blood sugar went from 487 the day I entered the hospital to consistently around 150. I feel so good that I have this kind of control over my body. And an added benefit is ,I have lost 19 pounds.
first 3 days on KETO carnivore, I felt so satiated but it went down hill after that My BG went into the prediabetic rang. I didn't want to end up back in the diabetic range and I became ravenously hungry so I stopped KC.
I sent you my BG graph on your FB page showing my attempts at KETO carnivore last year, you can see BG starting to rise in days!
My A1c was 11.2 this time last year. Didn't care. Didn't change. I had just lost my big sister a few months before. Fast forward to this past December - I felt like shi i it. I stopped sugar cold turkey on December 30. I had a headache throughout my entire head for 9 days, BUT it eventually went away, and my A1c yesterday was 6.9. My Dr told me you can't reverse diabetes. I told her to watch me, because my next A1c will be 5.0. She's on a mission to find something wrong with me, and I'm on a mission to prove her wrong 💪
Fantastic! Good luck!
Terrific! May I ask what your A1c is now?
@@serenityrising6723 I won't be checked again until September 👍
Awesome 👏 congratulations 🎉thanks for sharing 😊
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When you go in for a Blood Test, make sure you Fast AT LEAST 12 hours... 14 Hour fast is better though. Your numbers will stabilize lower.
I'm looking forward to the day when keto/carnivore restaurants are the norm... 🥰🥰🥰
That’ll be the day...
@@Jamyn1996 Try Longhorn.
I suggest it to every restaurant I frequent.
@@SRV2013 I agree. I’m 12 years keto and I can get steak, bacon, eggs, burger patties, maybe a half a roasted chicken, pretty much anywhere.
@@GwenMotoGirl Yes. It's great.
Thank You for this!
I've been a Type 2 Diabetic for over 30 years. (I'm 61). In Feb 2018 I weighed 368 lbs, and my HbA1c was 22. I began eating a Keto diet, and Intermittent Fasting (18/6 - 23/1); then switched to either Carnivore or Carneto (I use & prefer the term CARNETO over KETOVORE since the CARNivore portion (protein) makes up the majority of my meals over the kETO portion - which I use mainly for a bit of variety); plus it sounds cooler.)
Anyway, since I began this lifestyle my HbA1c has remainef between 4.8 - 5.4, I have lost 133 lbs, and am off insulin, and all oral diabetes meds except for Metformin.
So eating an average of 250 grams of protein per day has NOT RAISED my blood glucose levels or hampered my fat burning.
That's awesome man, great job! 👍
Great job! Just wondering why you are still on metformin?
How wonderful! I am very happy for you. I know losing weight can be a struggle. I, too, am on my own journey. Keep smiling!
@@praetorian7861 Thank You. 😊
@@sheilaadams4088 Thanks Sheila. 😊 Not sure; maybe because I've been diabetic for so long that my body just doesn't produce ANY insulin; or maybe because it supposedly doed help to burn fat.
Did you all hear "Dr. Berry say, depending on your biochemistry, physiology and genetics, one has to find the right "balance/amount" of protein/fat compatible with ones system.
" (thank you @Belinda Paysinger
for typing the phrase out for me you saved me some time) Yes you will have a response and find a balance that is true to your body. You don't need to defend what is working for you! You also don't need to sell what works for you to everyone else who is searching for what works for them. I do better on a higher fat (although I just started treatment for my thyroid, so what works for me when my metabolism is working could be something different). That doesn't mean that I should tell everyone else to eat higher fat meats. I still eat Carnivore with occasional avocado and olives.
Thanks for this I've been struggling to find foods that are higher in healthy fat!
I've been brittle insulin. Dependant diabetic for 36 years. Immediately had blood sugars drop and level out once starting carnivore. My sugars barely fluctuate and I am working on adjusting my insulin levels. I have had zero blood sugar spikes directly from home cooked meats and have reduced my daiky insulin from 50u to 20 to 23u per day.
Dr Berry, you only addressed carb vs protein. No one ever talks about protein vs fats for existing carnivore eaters
Dr. Berry, I am so grateful for the work you do. I have Diabetes 2. I was so lost and bewildered because everything I had been “taught” about taking care of it was opposite of what I should have been doing. Following your medical advise has put me on the road to recovery. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. I know I’m not the only one who wishes you could be our own physician. You are saving lives.
OH MY GOSH! I'm 15 weeks Carnivore (NO SUGAR NO CARBS) & my labs came back with HIGH GLUCOSE, EXTREME Cholesterol, & my typical, low thyroid. THANK YOU for this!
Mine is HIGH cholesterol-LOW glucose
I had heard that but I had no idea the liver makes just enough glucose for the body's needs.
Good stuff...
Thanks!
This is just what I needed to hear and learn about, thank you Dr Berry! I've been on keto-carnivore for one week & already I was stressing about how much protein to eat. I've only just learned that a 2:1 ratio of fat to protein is a ratio of grams. Even after one week, I can see a 'dent' in my waistline and my knees are far less painful. I can also feel that my BP is lower and that my adrenaline isn't everywhere - my body feels much calmer.
I really love that you properly introduce yourself in EVERY video you do! There are MANY people that are going to watch a video for the first time, and I think it is IMPORTANT to tell them where you've been and WHY you are doing what you are doing. I'm 7 months into my journey and 50 pounds gone(6 pounds from my goal weight of 165 5'9"), all pain removed, feel better, ACTUALLY WANT TO EXERCISE??? I am reviewing your Keto 101 and honestly can't stop watching! I'm 100 Videos in and still going! Love you Dr Berry, Keep going... and GROWING!!!
Saw a great video about this by Dr. Cywes the other week.
The two points I took from it were.
1. If you aren't fat adapted and you cut out carbs and drop in a lot of protein your body will panic and turn a lot of the protein to glucose because that's what it knows how to run on. That's why keto is such low protein, to give your body no choice of alternative fuel via gluconeogenesis. High protein and high fat will still result in excessive gluconeogenesis in this state.
2. If you are fat adapted, make sure you consume an adequate amount of fat with your protein so the body has fuel and doesn't need to use the protein for fuel. This way it can use the protein for building/repair.
That's the simple take away as I understood it. I suggest you find his video, he does a much better job of explaining it.
For number 2, I personally try to match it gram for gram minimum. So at the end of the day if I eat 150g of protein I make sure I've eaten about 150g of fat. That's roughly 30% of calories from protein and 70% from fat. I don't check my blood sugar, but that's a good place to start. If you do have higher blood sugar eating 1:1, up the fat.
You should be eating .5g of protein per lb of lean body weight every day at the very least. Protein should be your number one macro goal, then fat, then incidental carbs.
Most people focus on the carbs to make sure they aren't getting "to many" and fat and protein are just kinda left for incidental macro's with inconsistent ratio's. This typically leaves people protein deficient and they start to lose muscle mass. Lose to much muscle mass and you lose more than weight, you lose resting metabolism.
@@caseybrannon4975 good read. Thank you.
Thanks for doing this video! I've seen so many videos that perpetuate "gluconeogenesis" as something to fear and arguing against eating "too much" protein. That has been confusing to me. Thanks for laying it out. It makes so much sense! THANK YOU!
Thank you for clearing this topic up for me. I have heard this mostly from body builders and people more in the fitness vs nutrition community. My blood sugar is perfect every single time we do blood work now, almost identical number regardless of fasting vs consuming something before hand. I have had lifelong experience with farming and ranching as well. Grass fed livestock heal the land. Soybean, corn, wheat and rapeseed (canola) suck the life out of it and leave it wanting.
It would be nice to take the barbed wire out of the Mid-west. Get those plains back.
I started fasting and keto about 10 months ago because 10 years after having lost 50# to reverse my prediabetes my glucose was always still around 100. During the 6 months I did clean keto I saw that drop to generally in the 80s and occasionally high 70s. I went strict traditional carnivore (i.e., no macro tracking) about 4 months ago and saw my fasting glucose climb into the 100-110 range. I didn't feel as great as I did on keto but I stuck with it because I was seeing things like muscle strengthening to the point that I'm stronger now at 62 than I was at 17 coming out of basic training. I've even seen my fallen arches start to recover after years of needing orthopedic insoles and am now running without them again. A couple of months ago I changed to a more high fat moderate protein carnivore and have seen the glucose drop back into the mid 90s and the bit of inflammation that came back on strict carnivore has subsided. So bottom line I do feel that high protein carnivore increased my fasting glucose. The inflammation I'm blaming on the fact that I ate plenty of cheese and heavy cream which I have since greatly (and reluctantly) cut back on, but don't really know. The dairy perhaps could be the cause of the glucose rise as well, except it's the same dairy I ate on keto.
Anyway in my case it does seem that "Too Much Protein = Glucose" seems true. What else could it be?
Love your videos, thanks for your great work!
I've noticed a substantial difference with inflammation by cutting out diary and caffeine, I am at the point now I feel it for a day or two after Ingest dairy, hard to pin it to dairy alone BC I had quit coffee and caffeine the same time I stopped dairy, I do feel better off the stuff. I'm going in 9 weeks
Though I haven't gone carnivore (I eat some cruciferous veg with my meat) I've had a similar experience.
The more I read it seems to be a "dosage" issue.
Like Dr. Berry said, depending on your biochemistry, physiology and genetics, one has to find the right "balance/amount" of protein/fat compatible with ones system.
I noticed that when I ate dairy (especially cheese) my allergies start to act up (e.g. rash, shortness of breath). Then I remembered that to make cheese an enzyme called rennet is added which contains a protein called casein which many people have an allergy. Combined with my parents taking me off dairy as a child to manage asthma led me to eliminate dairy from my diet and my health improving. The bottom line is that dairy does not offer my physiology any benefits (except clarified butter that is only fat).
@@timothysmith9269 Yeah, there's a chance my nose gets itchy when I eat cheese now. I might go carnivore for a few weeks and add only cheese to find out. Could be that, or nuts, but I'm not eating much else.
Thank you! Since 18 1/2 years ago when my son was diagnosed with Type 1 Diabetes, doctors have been telling us that excess protein turns into carbs. So glad to learn the truth! 💕
I am so thankful for you and your lively wife!
Dr Berry you cant imagine how much you helped me. Thank you for all those precious information that you gaved us. Your my reference on my carnivore diet journey.
Thanks for giving me peace of mind and clearing up the confusion and misinformation
Dr. Barry, I really enjoy your videos. I like your approach. First you are very experience. You're a doctor who works with patients all the time. You understand how the body works. There are many so called guru's on RUclips who think they know everything, but don't have the medical background to back up there claims. Not all are bad though. But, I do notice that some of them leave out important information or just don't tell the whole story. That's frustrating and discouraging. I've learned so much from you. Thank you!
I've had high glucose for the last 8 months on the carnivore diet and was not eating any sugars I kept looking for answers but didn't realize that the electrolytes I was putting in my water was causing the problem when I finally discovered that my glucose came down the electrolytes said nothing about sugar in them but apparently they can add small percentage of malediction without notating it
What kind of electrolytes did you use? Thank you.
What you are exposing here is insane. It means that many medical education's concepts need real revisiting. Thank you so much for this video in particular and the other one which speak on kidney and protein & of course all your videos. Just brilliant and honest guy you are. Mohamed
its being done on purpose. Time Machine was prophetic.
Thank God for this. I was happily chowing down on my eggs, bacon and beef every day and then started to panic about my protein intake. Got confused by keto guidelines for 80% fat in my diet. That's a scary number.
OMG Doc, thank you for this...I cringe every time I hear someone say "Lower your protein intake, or you are eating too much protein". If that were the case, every carnivore would be diabetic.
More then 50g protein per day is too much
@@oneshot3216maybe if u were a 90lb supermodel but otherwise that’s ridiculous
@@oneshot3216 I think that depends of your muscle mass as well as how active you might be. Agree that too much protein will spike insulin and then BG if your pancreas cannot keep up.
I’m highfat carni
It’s very possible
All I eat are animal things but not so big huge protein amts
What people like Dr Beryy fail to recognize year after year is that some people have a really sick pancreas. They can produce insulin but not enough. In this case type when these people eat excess protein the BG goes up especially the next morning in an exaggerated DAWN EFFECT. It does not whether Gluconeogenesis is supply or demand driven or both. The fact is that excess protein does convert to BG and is also converted to FAT when insulin takes some of the BG out. FACT. If you are severely IR you can literraly measure this with a BG meter!!!!!
Eating too much protein on carnivore absolutely spikes my blood sugar and keeps it high. I do not have a gall bladder so I don't like the very high fat part of carnivore, but when I eat more protein and less fat my blood sugar goes up and stays up (typically in the 125 to 135 range rather than in the 90s. I have to fast for 3 days to get my blood sugar back down under 100 when I am eating too much protein compared to fat consumption.
What does high fat with out your gallbladder do to you?
@@Faithful9er4L High fat without a gallbladder can give you a very loose stool. I take ox bile with my large meals that are high fat and that off sets my not having a gall bladder. Ox bile can be found on Amazon and other places and comes in 125, 500, or 1000 mg caps. With a large meal I take one 1000 mg cap and with a smaller meal just one or two 125mg caps.
I also lack a gall bladder. I eat more frequently to avoid overloading with fats.
As I am still very insulin resistance, I get too high BS all hours of the day - and night. I am testing BS often and when I eat less protein, the BS goes down. My hope is that the lower insulin will make it easier to get in ketosis. Eating very low carb for months now, hope it will get better. BUT - too much protein is not good for me.
Same thing with Dr.Baker and his high fat carnivore test.He found that eating only egg yolks and hence %85 percent fat that his high BS levels dropped to very low levels.
Eat more fat
@@fredrikbarthlen5222 watch the Dr Ben Bikman video that he linked in the show notes. It talks about how protein and fat have an effect if baseline glucose levels are above normal fasting numbers or if eaten with carbs. That rise in sugar is gluconeogenesis but it’s not coming from the food you eat. Rather it’s coming from your own muscle. Your leg and butt muscle. When you eat protein, glucagon gets produced which can raise sugars just a tad. If you don’t make insulin (like a type 1 diabetic) or you are insulin resistant, in both cases the cells of the body are starving for food cause in both cases, sugar is stopped from entering the cells. They release a signal that they are starving which tells the brain to spike glucagon to tell the liver to make glucose cause the cells aren’t getting any. This is where berberine is helpful. It helps stop the glucagon which helps to keep your sugars lower. Pairing a meal with some exercise afterwards also makes sure the sugar gets into the cells. Sugar needs insulin as a chaperone to get into the cell. Except when exercising. The contraction of the muscles pulls it in without the need for insulin and despite any insulin resistance. So the cells of your body get fed and that keeps glucagon from spiking as well.
I eat 200 grams a day, most often in two meals. I test by blood sugar w finger prick and monitor. I never go over 120. Never. One hour two hour post meal never go over 120. I was pre diabetic before going carnivore. Now I’m fine. I feel amazing. Thanks to all the cool carnivore docs putting great info for us. Thanks😊
Great video. I had been wondering about this. Several well-known doctors, and even keto influencers, said you have to monitor macros like crazy since excess protein is always turned to glucose. I was shared this would happen to me since I was diagnosed pre-diabetic.
Thank you i got very worried listening too others ....from now on only listening too you and experimenting on myself
Stephanie keto talks a lot about this !! And a lot of people low the protein intake and feel better .
Thanks
I feel like we need a doctor to create a new normal standard diet and standard blood test results for us fat adaptive people.
I do believe Dr. Berry said yr blood sugar stabilizes after being fat adapted. And I'm thinking that bs in the 80s might not be normal. Maybe in the low 100s is the carnivore normal.
@@chantalbeauchamp2430 3 months on carnivore blood sugar after testing was 99
Thank you dr Berry, most of the information is really confusing. You are one of the most reasonable and knowledgeable people here ❤
Already knew this, but so glad to see you make a video on it Dr. Berry. Keep spreading the truth! 👍👍
I’m really glad to hear that I don’t have to restrict my proteins so much to get all the benefits from keto because such a diet just wouldn’t be sustainable for me.
Gluconeogenesis isn’t always demand driven. The Dawn Effect, which everyone gets, is the liver automatically supplying glucose as you wake up whether you need it or not. When you are fat-adapted, your cells don’t need the glucose and leave it in your blood. It’s called physiological insulin resistance or its keto euphemism ‘adaptive glucose sparing’. That means your fasting BG can be high until you eat.
Hey that’s interesting. So is part of the issue people are to worried about that morning BG increase? To clarify are you saying to not worry about that and it’s normal? I have no issue with that, I’m just learning about it all now.
It’s obvious that you don’t understand the meaning of demand driven (dawn effect).
@@yoso585 Thanks for your worthless no-content comment. Maybe you could explain or point me to a resource that explains why I have misunderstood the Dawn effect? That would be very helpful.
Dawn effect from my understanding only applies to diabetics but yeah.
@@blakebunch4485 thats right, so if your insuling resistant or becoming one, you will notice the dawn effect spike, other people dont because their cells will absorb the needed glucose
I'm finally eating beef liver! Bought it thin sliced, cooked about 1minute per side, wasn't at all pink.....surprisingly GOOD!! Very tender.
Did you hate liver before this?
I have this problem once a month when for a few days my blood sugar goes high and stays high even fasted...After 2-3 days it resolves itself but i don't feel 100% for those days. My fix that I'm experimenting with is to lower protein and increase my fat intake...
I just wanted to let you know, I have been carnivore for a week. I had been a ketovore for a year and lost 100lbs in a year, but for the past couple of months, I had been stalled out. In just this one week, I've knocked myself out of the stall and already lost 11lbs. Thank you so much for all the information! You've been such a big help in my journey.
Good information! I was wondering about the one section of the brain needing glucose and was unaware of the other areas of the body besides the liver that can produce it. I found out that Gluconeogenesis can also produce glucose for fight or flight situations if you are not consuming carbs. Hard, intense workouts can see a temporary rise in glucose too. A simple relaxing walk afterwards will bring the glucose back down quicker. I think people forget or don't realize that the body always tries to keep you healthy. We just have to stop feeding it a bad diet so it can. I've been on a meat-based diet for 6 years and haven't been sick with a virus since then. I just don't get sick anymore. I think it's ridiculous to believe that the body will willy-nilly overproduce glucose for any reason. That would be unhealthy. Let's not forget either that it converts fat to glucose first and uses protein only if needed. Since we tend to have more available fat for that process it makes more sense than believing an arbitrary "too much protein" will trigger it. I eat lots of protein and do not have any issues.
I was one of those people concerned with overconsumption of protein…..Until I listened to this recording that is!😎 THANK YOU
My sugars have definitely plummeted using carnivore, and I'm still on more protein than fat (although I'm continually adding more fats since I do think that's the more optimal way of doing it).
I'm a non-diabetic who wears a CGM. Thank you for the info. I am on strict ketovore, and wondered why some activities caused blood sugar spikes.
Thanks Dr. Berry for continuing to provide meaningful RUclips videos. Although the number of "Likes" and "Dislikes" have been dwindling, it's more of a reflection of the current political and COVID-19 information overload which seems to be sucking the oxygen out of all other media. Thanks for staying motivated! You are making a real difference in many lives.
Dr. Bikman is amazing!
I don't think the issue with blood sugar spikes is solely due to eating too much protein. It's probably because the person isn't eating enough fat with the protein to help balance out their blood sugar levels.
I experienced fluctuating blood sugar levels when I ate high protein carnivore but I wasn't eating enough fat with my meals and I think that's why.
I listened to the fear mongering about eating too high protein and ate higher fat, moderate protein carnivore (80:20) and my hair started falling out, my nails became thin and brittle, my energy levels plummeted, etc. So I obviously need a lot more protein than other people do. 80:20 carnivore probably works great for lots of people, but unfortunately it didn't work for me.
Now I'm eating closer to 70:30 carnivore and I'm looking and feeling a lot better! So don't listen to fear mongerers about protein. Just try different ratios and listen to what your body tells you works best for you.
80:20 doesn't work for me either. I feel the best when I am doing 70:30, but very often I do 65:35..I am trying to eat less than 100g of protein, but always feel hungry...
So u saying high protein lo fat works better for u than high fat low protein? Thanks
Ive gone from 210 to 184 this morning. Im 6' amd 45 yrs old so by the BMI i was over weight to now a normal body weight in 3 weeks of carnivore. Beef , bacon , eggs , cheese , some sea food all cooked in butter ( real butter ) or bacon fat . Some eye floaters already getting so small i can hardly tell , my bloated gut was gone in a week , my bowel movements have gotten less messy more firm and easier to clean , my always hurting shoulder that i was sure i had torn a rotator cuff doesnt hurt anymore my joints as a whole feel 1000% better low back pain almost gone. Im starting to feel 20 again.
I don't know if it has anything to do with gluconeogenesis but some people with metabolic issues can result in their blood sugars going higher on strict Carnivore if they eat too much. It is likely too much protein as Ben Bikman points out a few of his talks.
Telling a diabetic to eat until you are comfortably stuffed is not a great idea since in some it could push their blood sugars back into the type 2 range.
I know I am one of them. I have been a strict Carnivore for over a year, I got my levels to normal from the SAD diet but I would crave a lot of meat, and when I ate what my body told me, my blood sugar would go back to type 2 levels and stay there until I reduced amount of meat, even on the lion diet. This was indicated by both A1C and blood glucose strips with extensive testing and multiple labs. When I reduced my dietary intake, they went back to normal. Whether it is protein, fat, or some mixture of the two, some diabetics can not eat until they are comfortably stuffed.
Carnivore has an immense amount of benefits even to a diabetic but eating until you are stuffed is about the worst advice someone can get in that situation. You have to track your protein and fat over some time and then assess whether eating too much on Carnivore can create an issue for you.
Apparently, it is really only for some, not everyone.
Carnivore is not a flawless way of eating, it is just much better than SAD. Please be skeptical about the guru's advice in this space. They think they know, but they probably really don't.
What is interesting is he cites Ben Bikman and it was he who led me to this conclusion when no one in the Carnivore community would even consider it. I get the impression Mr. Berry lives in a bubble and only acknowledges information about his own dogmatic beliefs.
Forgot to add my last check of fasting insulin before starting this carnivore was 3.2. Fasting glucose 72. I hit all the marks in the NMr lipid profile. But eating ribeyes everyday has my sugar higher. Why? Before I was eating more wild caught salmon, sardines in water, lots of olive oil, eggs, cheese (Gouda, Brie, Goat) Greek full fat yogurt. No issues. I weigh 152 lbs 5 ft 5 inches, male , waist 83 cm
I went Keto 2 1/2 yrs ago. At that time my A1C was 6.8 and I weighed 265. I now weight 210 and my A1C is 5.4. This way of eating solved a number of problems I was having and I feel good. I am not able to be active, but to achieve this sort of weight loss and keep it off without exercise has sure been a surprise. I strongly suspect that the cortisol from being upset over quarantine & the rest of the merry mess has kept me from losing more weight. None the less, I continue to eat Keto/and lately Carnivore.
The mistake here is not considering that though “demand driven,” demand can increase because of increased insulin release which causes the lack of fat release which causes more call for glucose production. So make sure ya got plenty of fat mixed in with that protein.
I needed to hear this. Thank you so much!
When I eat too much protein my BG stays high. And I feel like garbage because I’m not able to make ketones and have no energy source. I crave. I’m tired. My mood is low. My sleep is trash and I have zero energy.
I´m on my second week on the keto-carnivore diet and I feel amazing. Some of the pros: mental clarity, perfect digestion, stable mood, stable sugar, and also improved sleep. The most important thing for me is that I had a heart arrhythmia for 18 years and it went away. I still can´t believe it! I wasn´t expecting it. With a standard diet, I was taking magnesium supplements, also eating red meat but sporadically, and never felt so good like I do now. I used to have arrhythmia sometimes after eating and before falling asleep, sometimes even during the day. In my last cardiac stress test, I had arrhythmia also, something that never happened to me before and worried me a lot. So there is something about this diet that seems protective to the heart. I will continue as long as I feel this good. What works for me is eating 3 times a day moderate amounts of meat, no snacking. This is what works for me: the juice of one grapefruit an hour before breakfast, then 2 beef patties with one spoon of butter, the same for lunch, and for dinner some organ meat, red meat, or chicken, someday I might add cooked veggies, especially if I make chicken soup. Sea salt for seasoning, magnesium for the supplementation, and plenty of mineral water. I don´t fast on purpose, only eat when hungry, it happens to be three times a day.
Have you lost weight yet?
@@carolhinman7936 I did, but I didn´t weight myself because it´s not my goal, I can see my body composition changing, also less water retention and no bloating. Here is a little update, maybe it will help someone: I use the app cronometer to check if I´m consuming enough micro and macronutrients for the day, I also experienced arrhythmia again, and it was bad. I realized it was because of the electrolytes, especially potassium, I was having a lot of sodium and little potassium, so I added one small potato (palm size) a day and one banana (one carbohydrate per meal, not altogether in one meal) and I felt good again. I reduced the amount of meat to around 150gr + an egg or 2 per meal. I continue drinking the grapefruit juice and I eat broccoli or cauliflower or any other green veggie in at least one meal and 2 homemade yogurts for the calcium. I also added 1 to 2 tablespoons of fresh parsley for the vit k and c. The arrhythmia freaked me out, so I consume some carbohydrates now, also helped me with my workouts. Now that I experienced the carnivore, I can tell that if you want to be extremely alert someday, you might want to avoid carbohydrates, the sharpness of the mind is noticeable. Also, it healed my gut. I also try to reach the 30 gr of protein per meal to promote protein synthesis in my body (especially for breakfast) and eat a healthy amount of carbohydrates to feel the best. I do see things that won't be beneficial for me in an extreme carnivore diet long terms like the electrolytes inbalance or deshidratation. I´m looking for a type of diet where I can feel comfortable and healthy, I don´t think it has a name because every body is different. My stomach is flat when I eat only meat, I always wonder why I was feeling like a balloon after eating and other people were fine. I guess digestion is everything. My mother can´t digest red meat, so I wonder it´s not for everybody. If you feel amazing after eating it, then maybe it will work for you.
Edit: A mild mental fog is back, things like I was trying to type one name and type another, or walking to a place and forget what I was going to do there for a moment, or wanting to tell someone sth and forget what I was about to say. Small common things that I wasn´t experiencing when eating cero carbohydrates. But, on carbohydrates I´m studying several hours (6 the other day) with more will.
i also had this heart arythmia. it completely went away when i stopped eating all kinds of grains. high blood pressure also went away. i also had depresion all my life, sleep problems and much more. suddenly, i am a mornin person, which i never was. so, i wonder if you are intolerant to grains as well? I especially felt this cardiac thing 10 minutes after eating. i figured it was the alcohol. but it stayed after i stopped drinking for good. now, when i eat a very good meal, like fatty beef with eggs and butter, my body instantly gets very warm, like there is a heating element going on. i fell like i could go out in cold rain to run for 15 miles and be totally allright.
i guess that is the feeling that I want from a meal, insted of these heart palpitations and arrythmias.
the answer is: fat is more important than you realize.@@jimeg4453
Just what I've been wondering this last week. Perfect timing. I can name a few people I got this information from and was wondering if it was still true. Thank you so much for explaining this and easing my curiosity
In carnivores consuming a natural diet, the low carbohydrate content minimizes the possibility that large changes in glucose will occur during the absorptive phase following a meal. When the diet contains low amounts of glucose, hepatic gluconeogenesis is predicted to be the major pathway to maintain blood glucose.👍
Excess protein is converted to glucose.
İn single meal u can digest 30gr protein max.
30x5= 150gr meat(give or take).
You definitely need to have another look at this topic. It appears if you eat more protein than you need your body will turn the excess into glucose. It probably won’t cause diabetes but it will cause pre diabetes levels.
That old saying "too much of anything ain't good for you"
Certainly high protein is better than sugar but.. only barely lol
Great information Dr. Berry and for all the references..and articles...for us to follow.
I think if the goal is to run your body mainly on ketones, then yes, a significant percentage taking that route have to substantially restrict how much protein they eat. A lot of people, who think they are running on mainly ketones, are not.....but they feel good because they are getting properly fueled by glucose via gluconeogenesis.
Interesting.. thank you!! I’m trying carnivore for the first time and I’m really upping my fat, eating some butter or a tbsp of brain octane oil or something before meals, and more with my meals. It definitely helps with hunger and I think I need high fat to heal thyroid, adrenals, pcos, etc. I know I still have insulin resistance after 20+ years of being paleo-keto.
Yeah, you go buddy! Nailin it on the head as usual! Some more great info to turn my doc onto... Thanks!
There are indocrinologists on you tube who are saing this and one says meat wil give you cancer. They are saying that protein will cause glucose to spike several hours after you eat it. Yhank you for the reassurance.
I don't know if I agree you Dr Berry. When I eat a 10 oz ribeye steak and 2 or 3 fried eggs in butter, my ketones go from 3 or 4 down to 1 or 2. I'm still in ketosis but my glucose level goes above 100 as well. I am referring to my ketone / glucose levels the following morning after my midday meal. I'm only eating one meal a day around noon or 1 pm.
wow 2 eggs? are you kidding me? what else are we supposed to eat? just butter?
me too...ate a 10 ounce ribeye for dinner and nothing else...next morning fasting glucose was 126!!! And I'm not diabetic.
Above 100? Really?? And you're worried about that?
@@my-yt-inputs2580 I'm not diabetic and yes fasting glucose over 100 is concerning. High protein put my hba1c back in the pre-diabetic range.
@@lynnecobb9399 I agree about fasting levels but the way patrick suggested was post meal.
Man if I was not confused before I am sure confused now thank you Dr
It also seems from my geeky research, that as the body breaks down triglycerides the blood stream is supplied with FFA (free fatty acids) and a glycerol back bone. The GLYCerol is also supplied with water from adipose tissue. And supposedly with this are the residue of pollutants and additives from our environment, clothing cosmetics and foods.
If you’re on a zero carb Plantfree diet, the body knows how to crack open fat cells for sugar like I can crack open eggshells on a Saturday brunch!
Thank you, Dr Ken. I am just starting on Carnivore and I am seeing my glucose levels a bit elevated.
I will stick with it and I look forward to the glucose dropping to a better level.
how is your glucose doing now?
@@olifs8083 Thank you for asking… this morning 8/27/24, 6:30 am, my glucose is 87 and ketones are 1.5.
I test my glucose/ketones once a week now… it appears my insulin resistance is subsiding and my body is getting fat adaptive.
At age 53, I no longer have hot flashes and I SLEEP all through the night.
I am so appreciative of Dr. Ken in that he simplifies what we need to do. Eliminate all carbs… so easy to follow.
I am on the journey with the Carnivore family! Thank you 🙏🏼
@@frr1900ng nice to hear that. I will start my journey again after vacation - just my last junk craze trip. after that strict carnivore. previously I did carnivore for a month but I started to experience pain in pancreas. soo I stopped. I think my glucose was high. finding info about high glucose while on carnivore made me worried. It''s like eat whatever you want and it will rise sugar.... :( because this is my last straw to get my health back. Thank you so much for update. 👍🙏
Couldn’t come at a better time
I’m freaking out... been keto for over 2 years .. KETOVORE ... for 4 months
This last week my morning blood glucose is over 100...
Today 153! ketones were 0.3.... I have NEVER had BS that high and I am not diabetic ! Help
????? hydration good? eating salt?
have you been eating seafood? lean meats? up the fats?
I have had the same problem.
Me too
According to one of the linked papers, it could be hyperthyroidism.
@@AlbertoMontesSoto yes! I eat mainly fatty beef
Hey doc, regarding your comment at 1:34 ...I just googled "list of glucogenic amino acids" and got the list. Thanks.
I experienced an increase in BG when full carnivore. Still in a healthy range, but high for me. (Occurred about 10 weeks in). I was Keto for 18 months prior. I currently cycle between strict carnivore and Keto. It works for me.
Ditto. Adding back fruits fixed it for me.
@@keralee You added fruits to carnivore, or to keto? I ask because I am trying to fix my high fasting glucose score... I'm around 115. Thank you in advance.
@@bostonjackson9384 mine was similar. Quit keto-carnivore, via fruit since the liver can control rate of conversion of fructose to glucose. At first blood glucose will spike like mad, do not be alarmed, body will upregulate production of right enzymes to manage sugars again in a few days usually. Slowly increase do not go crazy with fruit right away and always have it with a protein and WITHOUT any pufa or mufa fats. Its the combo of pufa/mufa plus fructose that seems to be particularly obnoxious. Likely genetic esp if you are of N European ancestry. It took a few months before my excess cortisol stopped and dawn blood sugars and A1C both dropped.
@@keralee I didn't quite understand all that you said there... what is your typical daily diet?
@@bostonjackson9384 I fixed the high fasting glucose numbers by adding fruit back to carnivore diet, plus some veg. Gradually increased amounts of fruits and veg as body re-adapted. It took about 3 months of fruit intake before my cortisol normalized...was like an invisible weight lifting away! Later slowly added starches back. The trick to making carbs safe-ish to ingest seems to be to avoid pufa fats like the plague. And that includes from factory farmed animal sources like chicken and pork. Pufa and fructose together are a metabolic disaster, unless you are anorexic.
I am eating carnivore and my carbs are between zero and 5 grams daily and my blood sugar is up in the 125 to 135 range. Eating too much protein absolutely causes my blood glucose to rise. In fact eating almost any protein causes my blood glucose to rise. This is very frustrating, since according to the best sources it should not be happening, but it is. I basically eat beef, bacon, eggs, and butter.
Instead of trying to find a trustable authority when you are in doubt about this, I would suggest the following: Get into a very low carb diet for a reasonable number of days then choose a day in which you measure your blood glucose every single hour, especially after ingesting the amount of meat that you think could spike blood sugar. After the experiment decide for yourself.
@@muchasalud2011
I am not quite sure that it is absolutely necessary to follow the cellular cycle, but it seems quite reasonable to discuss that further and it is certainly on the conservative side.
Thank you for this video. I just started the carnivore diet and was sitting here wondering if the 140 grams of protein that I had yesterday was too much. That is the most that I have had so far. I "Googled" it and of course there was everything saying that you can have too much protein. It was saying if you have more than 30 grams per meal, it goes to your kidneys. I am so glad I looked this up as it relates to the carnivore diet and this video came up.
Dr. Berry, if a carnivore veteran is able to absolutely assure you that all external/diet related factors that lead to carb creep can be excluded, what is the underlying physiological issue that prohibits one from entering ketosis or ever achieving a FBG under 100?
Water only Intermittent fast, 3 day fast, 5 day fast... it does not matter. FBG over 100 and nutritional ketosis is never achieved with no carbs consumed. If gluconeogenesis cannot be blamed, what is the reason? How are you so confident that it absolutely cannot be gluconeogenesis apart from the intelligent liver and gut argument? Something is obviously happening internally and the gluconeogenesis argument is really the only offered explanation we are finding. What explanation can you offer us? Please help! I promise I will donate $100 to your Patreon if you will help us on this. It really is this frustrating for many of us.
I have been told by my doctor that BG spikes from protein should not be feared, as gluconeogenesis is an on-demand process. Making glucose from protein is a very expensive process for your body and it requires a crap ton of energy to do. So your body’s not going to waste the effort making that glucose unless it’s really needed. So he said that if I get a BG spike after a clean protein meal (being really honest with myself about whether the meal was really clean or not), not to sweat it. My body must need the glucose. With that said, I do think that early on when I was still really obese that limiting protein was a good thing. But now that I’m down to trying to lose the last 15 pounds and powerlifting and doing mad amounts of HIIT training, my body is better able to regulate the metabolism and gluconeogenesis. So it may simply be a matter of where someone’s metabolism is in the healing process, amount of exercise, etc. that determines how people react to what amount of protein.
Type 1 diabetic (LADA) since 2017. I have lowered my A1/c from 10.8 to 5.4 via low carb and resistance training 6 days/week. My carb sugar spikes are under control throughout the day, yet my protein spikes after dinner, while I'm asleep are still a problem. I do not bolus with rapid acting, yet I am experimenting with basil insulin bolus several hours prior to my normal high protein dinner, with inconsistent success.
i was eating too much protein and my A1C went up to 5.6%, lower protein and higher fat i am at 5.1%. Insulin resistance sucks
@@KenWang2 No it doesnt, carbohydrates cause IR
@@KenWang2 nonsense
@@KenWang2 BS
I was doing keto/carnivore and my sugar levels went way up. (I’m not diabetic but it did scare me). Fasting glucose went from 80 to 120’s. So I left the diet all together. Ended up going plant based and sugars went back down to around 90. Now I am just confused on what to do. Eating plant based and I have a lot of joint pain and my lichen Planus flares. Eating keto causes a lot of GI upset.
@@PinkieJoJo I am just guessing but thinking that your protein intake was way too high. Over 80 grams of actual protein per day and my blood sugar will climb as well. 1.2 grams per kilo of desired body weight is plenty for most people.
I watched Dr. Bikman video and I see glucose spike after alanine intake in both groups. The difference is not in glucose but in insulin.
when my brother was diagnosed with t2d, I asked, "so why don't you just eat meat?" he said, "apparently meat turns to sugar in the body" ... this is what his diabetic advisor at the hospital told him. Several years later when I was diagnosed with t2d, I asked my adviser "so how about just a diet high in meat?" she said, "meat breaks down into sugar in the body if you eat too much of it" ... I'm still trying to break free of the brainwashing, I just keep telling myself, "whatever sugars the body creates from the meat can't possibly compare to the sugars I ingest via bread, chocolate, pasta, and all that other processed crap." ... it's a slow hard process but 2021 is a new year, and in these last 10 days of 2020, I'll be clearing out my cupboards from the last of the processed carbage... easing down to keto, then into ketovore then carnivore in january. wish me luck please, and good luck to all of you who are doing the same thing!
Dear Dr Ken, I am on a carnivore diet for years, I am obese and doing carnivore I gain more than 20 pounds. My glucose every morning is between 110 - 140! I realized that more protein make me produce more sugar, the total opposite of what must be happening... Why? Thank you so much
Ate you adding fat
How is your sleep and stress level?
Thank you Dr. Berry for your continued efforts on our behalf.
Dr. Berry is great ! 0:01 However, Being obviously sarcastic is not his strong suit. Still love him !
You are one in 1 million
Would you please make a video about why some of us who are T2 diabetic have livers that make too much glucose even when we are eating almost no carbohydrates? This is the main problem I am dealing with.
In a word: homeostasis, which is basically your body's "thermostat". It takes time for your body to clue in that it no longer needs your glucose "temperature" so high.
@@ReversingDiabetes I've been eating almost no carbs for 3 years now and my blood fasting glucose is still around 115. This notion that "it takes time" seems erroneous. Three years is plenty of time.
U may have to go zero carb to see change.
I needed this video! I started measuring my ketones on carnivore and was so frustrated thanks Dr B!!!
Spreading the word in Costa Rica😀👍🏼
Great, but my insulin is down, I'm slim, and exercise, but my A1C and fasting blood sugar are through the roof. Been on keto/carnivore for four years now. Blood sugar came down fore a while, but now strangely way way up again.
I haven't ever liked fat in my life (and still don't) at 71 years old. But if I go high protein my blood sugar stays high (90 to 110) and my weight increases, so I am resigned to eating high fat. I have tried this several times with the same result. I also have Hashimoto's. Carnivore is great if all it ever did was cure my eczema, which it did, but for many other reasons. I must say I am careful to get enough protein because at my age sarcopenia is real and can be permanent damage. Not a game.
Same here, the only way I get stable blood sugar is doing high fat, moderate protein and very low carb.
My N=1 is clear. You are spot on with my response. If you are familiar with Paleomedicina in Hungary, they use the same protocol to cure seemingly everything.
@@realimagevanity2289 moderate protein like how much meat or protein per day and how much carbs per day you were eating?
I really appreciate what you do and how you do it! Thank you for including research links as well. Very useful to deal with opinions that have no basis.
With ketosis maintained diet of 20 gm carbs per day...and fasting 48 hours weekly.. a1c dropped ... but too low protein .... so increased protein to 1gm per lean body mass without fasting and resulted am glucose up up up... returning to 48 hour fasting weekly and keeping protein up during nonfasting days to see if I can get a handle on am glucose. Otherwise will drop some protein.
I tried both high fat and high protein. (zero carb the entire time) When I started carnivore (cold turkey), it was high protein (3lbs + every day) and i experienced fatigue and waking up frequently at night. Then I transitioned to high fat diet (200g plus and 50~60g of protein) (monitoring my BS and ketones). During this high fat diet, i actually experienced hypoglycemia. My BS would drop to 50s.. in the late evening and ketones were as high as 6 or 7. and i had brain frog in the mornings all the time after woke up and felt like i still needed more sleep..... I would gain weight if my protein was a little bit over. After 2~3 months of very high fat (my morning fasting BS now had been stable at 70~80s), i decided to go back to high protein again, this was a few days ago. I now don't add extra fat but just some butter on eggs only and fatty meat ( i tracked once, it was close to 1:1 in grams). Surprisingly, my BS stays around 80 now after a high protein meal and my ketones are at 1.3. I eat enough in breakfast and lunch so that i dont have to eat dinner so my hunger signal fixed itself as well.. (If i add too much seasoning other than salt to my meat, i would get bad heartburns which mess up my hunger signals) I think because of the fact that i am not eating late in the afternoon/evening, i actually havent been waking up at night and now i wake up feeling amazing. The brain frog that i experienced in high fat is gone...... My husband is doing this the same way, and he is giving me the same feedback. I definitely think that when ur body is doing glucogenesis, there is something else going on with the body.. dont blame protein... I eat about 150g of protein each day and wow..... feeling amazing.... Also, my weight has been trending down with very little effort.
I too have had problems with hypoglycemia on high fat. I've heard it said that when fat fueled, it's okay to drop down into the 50's and 60's but I'm just not comfortable with that. I also have had BG over 100 several hours after eating high protein. I'm currently tracking to see what the sweet spot is for my ratios.
@@Anita-silver yeah!! I could feel my hands shaking when bs dropped to 50s even tho ketones were high at 6 or 7. I also couldnt concentrate as much. That mental clarity was gone when BS was too low.. So definitely should not let BS drop to 50 to 60's. Try to play around with your protein & fat ratio, find ur sweet spot
@@flyinglilianarose The ketones being high is what made it all confusing. Had been hearing from my favorite gurus to not go above 60 grams of protein a day but you have to check all things out for yourself. Sitting at about 90 grams right now and doing much better so far.
@@Anita-silver i know who you r talking about, and i have done 2 consultings with her... didnt work :(
@@flyinglilianarose Thanks for the exchange
Before I started Carnivore diet my glucose was 133. Well six months later, it's at 83. I say it did the job well.
So what does this mean? I'm reading through all the comments and it seems that what Dr. Berry is saying is not their experience. The experiences here are real life. So what are we supposed to take from this?
I do low carb not keto. I don't do carnivore as I just don't want or feel I need that much protein. I also don't eat the percentage of fat that most do as too much fat makes me a little queasy. I modified my diet to fit what I feel best with and that includes way more non-starchy vegetables than most low carb/keto people.
If what Dr. Berry says is absolute fact what is the reason for the physical response that it seems the majority of people are getting here. If blood sugar is spiking and A1C is rising and they are carnivore we need the answer as to why it's happening.
Perhaps it requires more study------essential amino acids are definitely the master macro nutrient for Homo sapiens, but there is some other biochemical phenomenon at work here when it comes to the keto/carnivore diet.
The Masai, a tribe in Kenya eat only meat and milk and have thrived for centuries----they don't eat vegetables because they claim it makes then weak.
What's going on?
Except I've had it happen. Ate a huge T Bone, nothing else, blood suger went up to 200. Doctor said i probably needed more fat with the meat. (?).
Thanks Dr. Berry!! I've been hearing contradictory data regarding protein and it's been rather frustrating... I have read the P:E Diet by Dr. Ted Naiman... It resonated with me! But listening to other keto gurus on RUclips has caused me to doubt my understanding. I am so happy that you also have confirmed what I felt was right!
Ditto!
Thank you for the clarification. I keep getting told by colleagues at work to cut my protein and eat more salads and other keto processed junk.
Thank You Dr Ken Berry, I think I eat a lot of protein. But I dont feel anything wrong
well, Insulin secretion is not going to make you feel bad
In my experience gluconeogenesis its not tightly regulated and if the extra protein is there it will be converted to glucose as much as you give it...and also gluconeognesis doesn't seem to have an insulin response if at all ..
@Dr Ken Berry. You are wrong on this one. What you and et al fail to grasp is that if you are IR your liver is also IR and will not respond to insulin. When you are IR your liver will keep making excess glucose from excess protein via gluconeogenesis , because the liver is IR it does not know when to stop making glucose, and if you also have a weak pancreas you will spike blood sugar and have an exaggerated dawn effect. I enjoy your videos and hope you will keep this topic going? Gluconeogenesis is also SUPPLY DRIVEN. If you are not IR you would not notice it, if you are IR but have a strong pancreas you also would not notice it. if you are IR and also have a weak pancreas you will be able to prove it by testing your blood sugars...fact.
High protein and moderate fat absolutely spikes my blood sugar. This is exactly my experience and I am IR. I have not been able to find any research supporting this other than frequent testing of my own blood sugar. When eating high fat and moderate protein, my fasting blood sugar is in the 90's and when eating high protein and moderate fat, my fasting blood sugar level will rise to the 125 to 135 range. Today I at 40 hours of fasting and my blood sugar has come down to 109. Typically it will take at least 72 hours of fasting to get my blood sugar back down under 100.
@@philmorris8862 Yeah. I have given up. I am on high protein low fat at the moment and although I have high BG in the morning, around 170, I am ignoring it because it gets to near normal in the late afternoon. I do not take meds and figure that my high morning BG is not high enough to worry about - put another way, I still have my arms and legs and feel strong and have grown a lot of muscle so I assume my nerves are strong too. My goal is to get solid and muscle bound and stay that way thereby ensuring that I do not have fatty pancreas and/or fatty liver. Stay in my Personal Fat Threshold. I think despite my higher than normal morning BG I am still strong and healthy and getting rid of fatty liver should be my absolute priority. I struggle doing high fat carnivore. I will get my nerve density tested soon as that is one of the main concerns with high BG. My insulin is always in range and on the low side so I doubt I have hyperinsulinemia. Unfortunately Dr Berry have not provided any advice I can use for my condition because he thinks gluconeogenesis demand driven. I think supply and demand are misnomers and terms that should not be used to describe biochemistry. The biochemistry would be that excess protein consumption "triggers" gluconeogenesis.
I have reduced my protein some and increased my fat some and I am doing more fasting. That seems to be helping some, but I am still spending most of the time north of 100 and south of 120 unless prolonged fasting, which is not good. I think consuming coconut oil helps also, as when I do that with coffee or tea, my BG comes down closer to 100 and my ketones go up. I plan to do much more 3 and 4 day fasts to try and get my BG back down under 100.
@@philmorris8862 Yeah good luck with prolonged fasting. My max fast was 11 days without food.Of course while you do prolonged fasting it works but it is very hard to sustain on a regular basis. I have moved on to high protein carnivore (because I found high fat unnatural and could not sustain it) because I figure that high protein will get me lean and solid and then see if that improves my condition. I suspect it will take time....years perhaps and regular exercise in my case will be a must in order to get to normal BG. I am convinced this will work but need a year to practice it proper and confirm.