The "Fighting Type War" of Gen 3 OU.
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Pokemon Competitive Singles in Gen 3 is a world where Fighting types are among the best wallbreakers available. Fighting Type moves hit Tyranitar hard, they threaten Steel types and do big neutral damage to many Common walls.
Most viable Fighting types are quite distinct with very clear advantages over the competition. However, the Pokemon Hariyama and Machamp are rather similar in their design and toolkits.
Both are mono Fighting types with Guts and a Bulky wallbreaking role.
While Hariyama is overall the more popular choice, Machamp has a bit more to offer than you might expect and is a better fit on certain teams depending on their pace and gameplan.
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I respect the refusal to acknowledge Huge Power and Pure Power as different abilities
Those are distinct.
Im pretty sure that if you used trace or skill swap or any ability that make you gain the foes ability on huge power, huge power boost would be halved from x2 to x1.5 (still x2 for azumarill line) for whatever reason while pure power stays the same…Why is this the case is beyond me(idk if it’s fixed but pretty sure this was a thing in gen 3(I may be wrong))
@@dvdv4270💀
@@dvdv4270It wasn't. That was false information.
@@dvdv4270Here to also say this is HELLA wrong
6:28 don't forget that, since Machamp has 4 arms, his Encore lasts twice as much, as he can clap faster than other Pokémon.
Plus, his Cross Chop hits twice, he just does it so fast that our mere mortal eyes only see it as 1 hit.
@@SoloCap-MusicI remember as a kid I thought it was Machamp's signature move, because in Gen 4 the description said something like "hits the foe with its forearms" and I thought they meant "four arms" lmao
I love encores distribution in the early games. Wobbuffet has it bc he's based oof a comedian. Plusle and minun are cheerleaders. Spheal claps. And Machamp has 4 hands so he claps extra hard.
How does JUMPLUFF clap
@@CarolBlazing it's a cheerleading pom, duh.
I like to imagine Machamp using encore to encourage his trainer at the gym.
"Trainer used push-up"
"Machamp used encore!"
"Trainer was able to finish all his reps thanks to Machamp's encouragements!"
@@thisrandomdude2880 Well, if you run out of PP for a move when you get Encored, then you just use struggle. So it's more like "Trainer used push-up" -> "Machamp used encore"->"Trainer used struggle"->"Trainer hurt itself with recoil".
@@thisrandomdude2880 that just results in struggling into a ko...
It's Fighting Friday, folks
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@@IronHands17get out of here iron hands, you need to be in the gym
I don't even play competitive, I just like your videos
Same
He didn't say "Medikam". This is groundbreaking.
It appears that Blaziken has been kidnapped by the devious Iron Mugulis. As a member of the Blaziken fan club, i declare this situation not epic.
For those of you who didn't watch the video or read the title, this videos covers the "fighting type war" in Generation 3 OU.
You're not even gonna say who won? Don't be lazy
@@totan3992 watch it yourself if you wanna figure it out.
Thanks.
I feel like it is more of an argument of why Machop is better than Hariyama. He didn't really give any points in Hariyamas favor, as even the positive things he mentioned, he later goes on to say why they actually aren't true. Could have done some more explaining on why knock off is so important.
@@unkarsthug4429 It's more of an argument of why Hariyama doesn't completely outclass Machamp. He's talked about Hariyama in the past, so this one was about letting Machamp have his Monday.
Don’t pit two bad bitches against each other
he will never pit two bad bitches agai- Cereal
Do it and tell them it's a clap off, everybody leaves that situation as a winner.
Fighting types are great wall-breakers in generation 3
OU, well equipped to handle deffensive teams.
The most popular fighting types in the game are Heracross and Breloom.
These are the only two OU ranked fighting type Pokemon in Gen 3, and both are quite distinct and fit on different types of teams.
another fighting type that is commonly used in competitive play is medicham
Though this pokemon is ranked in UUBL it's seen a decent amount in high level play
Every fighing has its type
After this video my foes won't stand a fighting chance
He's foreshadowing Machamp Memorial Day
I am a big fan of both Machamp and Hariyama, however, Machamp has his time in gen 4. I say we let Hariyama have this one, folks
This is awesome, folks.
It's fighting-type Friday
A good way to start the morning
This video inspired me to load up mono-fighting and it did wonders
Fighting types are great breakers in generation 3 OU
And they only got better with Gen 4
well equipped to handle defensive teams
Love the Machamp discussion, and very excited for the Jimvitational
This is a great video for Fighting Friday. Thank you Jimothy.
Machamp has been great for me as a low ladder scrub, glad to see him getting some attention.
When Machamp got no guard it got even better imo. Perfectly accurate dynamic punch rocks
ohhhhh
He's just saying it became unidimensional, which is true.
The Jimvitational? This is insane.
I love how Iron Hands feels like a worthy successor to ADV Hariyama.
Machamp is a very interesting mon in gen 4 imo. People are just starting to explore different sets with it that conserve dpunch pp, and I've noticed something special about cross chop on a no guard set, it's very good at fishing for crits alongside dpunch. Great introduction to probability management that pokemon.
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Good video
I'm not the biggest Gen 3 fan myself, but I really appreciate what you've done for that and the wider competitive community. Great vid as always.
Fighting types in ADV OU everyone
The blaziken slander....
I have never seen that many Cross Chops hit in a row.
0:26 made me like 😭
i’m waiting for Scizor Gen 3 lmao
Hariyama can't use Encore because his arms are too far apart. On the other hand, Machamp is good at using Encore with his extra set of hands.
I don't believe you.
But he can clap his hands using fake out
@@EggscellentTree Pokélogists are still puzzled by this.
@@jensvide777 Pokeologist here, while it's true Hariyama's hands are too far apart to adequately perform the move "Encore", this doesn't affect Hariyama's ability to perform fake out whatsoever, because he's not using his hands, he's using his ass cheeks.
Hariyama having access to the ability "Thick Fat" means his ass cheeks are fat enough to create a clap so loud as to cause a 100% flinch rate and minimal damage to an opposing pokemon. Unfortunately, Hariyama isn't able to encore with his ass, it's too heavy to rapidly clap the cheeks and create the effect.
@@AttitudeIndicator Fascinating hypothesis. It's unfortunate it goes against the status quo of the Poké research and will never be published.
these fighting types are awful friendly with eachother.
Hello Jimothy Cool, is there a particular reason as to why you stopped putting the Pokepastes for teams in your description? I loved using the teams you posted
How could you fail to mention that Machamp is also a world class Sunny Day setter with access to Fire Blast and the same special attack as known special attacker Snorlax?
Fighting type are great wallbreakers in generation 3 OU
I have noticed that many wars are of the fighting type. Curious.
1:38 Im sorry Jim, but the numbers state otherwise
252+ Atk 30 IVs Choice Band Tyranitar Focus Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Machamp: 330-389 (102.8 - 121.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk 30 IVs Choice Band Tyranitar Focus Punch vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Machamp: 250-295 (65.1 - 76.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after sandstorm damage
252+ Atk 30 IVs Choice Band Tyranitar Focus Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hariyama: 415-489 (96.7 - 113.9%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk 30 IVs Choice Band Tyranitar Focus Punch vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Hariyama: 295-348 (59.9 - 70.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after sandstorm damage
Hariyama is actually the bulkier one physically. I believe hariyama is still bulkier on the special side too, but the difference is much smaller
252+ SpA Suicune Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Machamp: 192-226 (59.8 - 70.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Suicune Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Hariyama: 253-298 (58.9 - 69.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Yeah, he kind of trolled this section a bit. The main notable advantage Machamp has with having higher defense but lower HP, is it gets better value out of investing in HP. Hariyama doesn't get much value out of investing in HP, and usually has to choose between defense and special defense investment (and usually I think actually drops some attack investment).
Nice video as always Jim
Question u playing gen 3 UU BL this month, is a spotlight metagame, i wanna play gen 3 ubers or something. Do u recomend the tier?
can we get video for gen 3 raichu?
Are there any advantages on being slow in ADV? Since theres no trick room.
Sometimes Celebi wants to be slower than enemy Celebi to pivot safely with BP
Nothing as big as being faster in Trick Room.
talks about fighting types. Blaziken left the chat
I hope a team with Blaziken wins as revenge for not being mentioned in the video
Jimothy Cool: "Machamp is mah champ."
My boi ttar isnt heavy 😢
He's just big rocked 🥺
Hariyama is bulkier though, not that much bulkier, but it is bulkier:
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Rock Slide vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hariyama: 155-183 (36.1 - 42.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after sandstorm damage
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Rock Slide vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Machamp: 124-147 (38.6 - 45.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after sandstorm damage
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Rock Slide vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Hariyama: 102-120 (20.7 - 24.3%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after sandstorm damage
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Rock Slide vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Machamp: 85-101 (22.1 - 26.3%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after sandstorm damage
Fighting types before the introduction of the fairies were my favorite to use
Fighting moment.
I'm going into Jimvitational Play-Ins with guts like Machamp😎🔥
what is the point of a jimothy cool video if i dont get updated on the latest decisions the council of horses has taken
I would love to watch a video about sun teams in gen 3
PURE Power
Every fighting type has its fury
*now where's hitmontop?*
Special defence is a critical statistic on fighting Pokemon.
Hariyama's massive HP does have its advantages when it comes to switching into Blissey - Hariyama can take 5 seismic tosses without investment while Machamp only survives 3.
New Jimothy video 😫
Out of curiosity, how come no one uses a spikes team with Machamp?
If you're basing this question off what was shown in the video, keep in mind that these are only a couple of examples.
Machamp is already pretty solid against most Pokemon that aren't spikes immune. He niche tends to be relying more heavily on offense, so you don't want to spend as much time setting up spikes. Meanwhile, Hariyama uses knockoff to facilitate racking up chip damage, which makes him usually a better choice on teams with spikes.
I'm ready for Machamp Mednesday
Machamp is very epic
Furious Fighters flash fighting fury on Friday.
Make a vid on gen 3 gengar
I've been on Team Machamp, go the Champ!
Machamp is definitely good, but his unique space is definitely way smaller than either Heracross or Breloom, and Hariyama was picked up by the Knock Off hype train. I think that he definitely could have potential, though, and while I'm not convinced Encore is as good of a unique tool as Knock Off, his total utility space has more overlap with the other fighting types than Hariyama. If I was going to have 2 fighting types on my team, idk if I'd consider Machamp over one of the OU boys + Hariyama, but if I'm only picking 1 I definitely would.
I still don’t understand the point of BL tiers if you can’t use them outside of the tier above. The game would be different but allowing one per team from the BL above would be a more interesting way to balance test the tiers
Are any of these fighting pokemon French?
Wow, so Machamp does have some French origins! Fantastic!
Finally someone asks the important questions
No blaziken? 😢
I think you missed SkarmBliss killer Blaziken, viability wise I think it's about on par with Machamp
Blaziken has lost my respect and is considered a ZU level Pokemon by many
id argue even squirtle is better than blaziken
@@jimothycoolIt is considered a non-book manoeuvre to compare the bum blaziken to the sophisticated Pokémon of gen 3 ZU, like squirtle and clampearl
i like machamp c:
Machamp can use Encore because he can clap twice as much as the average Pokémon.
Please don't tell everyone about bulk up machamp, it's my only strategy :(
i dont respect the erasure of a certain blazing kicking chicken
Gen 3 is still the most diverse metagame in my opinion, one where you can build the most team options and a lot of pokemon feel balanced in ways other games dont in the series. Hariyama also has options that dont feel as explored possibly for good reasons however, for example thick fat is there for more defensive options against ice and fire moves. While Medicham is my personal favorite Gen 3 fighter. I love that Machamp in Hariyama bring similar yet different enough gameplay styles to the table and can prove even these slower fighters pack a big punch.
I would argue that DPP OU is more diverse, but yeah, ADV is really diverse too
Makes me wish machamp has like 110 hp at the least, it's stats look underwhelming for its design.
It’s stats are pretty min/maxed for a gen 1 Pokémon, could take 15 points out of special attack and put it somewhere more useful now that the elemental punches are all physical.
What I find stupid is that machamp in later gens can't even learn drain punch.
His arms are too strong to drain energy, clearly
So, I just calced Hariyama vs Machamp to check if the higher defensive stats makes Machampa sturdier... It doesn't.
I made their attack stats equal, gave them max HP, max Def with a +Def nature, and checked their damage with Focus Punch on each other and:
Machampson does 36.3 - 42.8% to Hariyama, while Hariyama does 39.8 - 46.8% to Machampey. Machomp's higher defense stat did not reduce the damage enough to outclass Hariyama's HP.
Idk if this is an outlier calc, but as far as I can tell, with their attack stats identical and using the exact same move, that is definitive proof that Machampley is not as bulky physically no matter what. Machamploo will always take more damage across the spectrum of physical attacks when you place them in the exact same situations.
I then checked +0 DD T-tar with EQ, and, with the same defensive investment, 252 HP, 0 Def, Machampion was still taking marginally more.
All that said, Machamp is still THE champ in my heart. Thanks for the lesson, Jimothy
Everything about the damage calcs I've done suggests Machamp takes a higher % damage from physical attacks than Hariyama does.
It's Champ Chewsday, folks.