A small hint: you should've installed the linux-headers-amd64 package instead of the versioned one. This is a meta-package which depends on the latest kernel headers package, so it would've pulled the 6.1 kernel headers during upgrade to bookworm automatically, and VirtualBox would've worked right away.
Thank you Stephen for your video's, that are easy to understand. It's great to have a few channels like yours, that dedicated some time on Debian. I'm a Debian user since I switched 100% to Linux about 4 years ago. I tried other Distros on older Thinkpad's, but I always come back to Debian. Until watching your video I never realized that the live Iso's make setting btrfs file system much simpler than using the conventional Debian installer, thanky you for that!. Greetings from Switzerland
Thank you dude, Look forward to the other vids in the series. Nowadays I prefer either virt-managerr(straight up), or Vmware Player/Pro as a local VM solution on my main Linux workstations, nothing wrong with Virtual Box, but recently development has been a little long in the tooth, and overall across multiple distributions I have had the most success with VMware for Linux, just my experience with recent(last 2 years) VM setups, :) Also want to add that good walk through on upgrading Debian from one version to the next, :)
Normally you list the btrfs subvolumes when customizing the install, but that didn't happen with your default Debian 11 btrfs configuration at the beginning of the video. I would have found that helpful as a reference for the later stages in the video (and your earlier videos). Thanks for your work!
Great suggestion! ZRAM compression levels and algorithms are fully configurable: www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/blockdev/zram.html For my hardware, zstd levels 1-3 seem to work very well.
Great video as always Stephen. Interesting to see an MBR single btrfs partition setup. Keeps it a bit cleaner relying on the MBR in a VM which is kinda nice. I've not used the Calamares installer from the Debian live iso so I shall have to give it shot. Bit annoying how they install so much junk though, I wish Debian would go with a truly clean instal of just Gnome and the Gnome apps (and LibreOffice I guess) not all the games and such though.
Fellow Silverblue user? Hello. Might give Bookworm a shot on my machine just for good memories sake. If I do, gonna miss Silverblue, but I am also kinda burnt out on virtual machines now. But this and JustAGuyLinux really keeps the spirit up with my roots. Nice video!
Yeah, Debian 12 has definitely caught my attention and based on your demo I would have to say that it looks fantastic. Hope you get everything settled in with Debian. Been eyeballing point release distros again and have had some issues with Fedora and Ubuntu both. Just recently found out that Debian was dropping version 12 and was supposed to be pretty awesome and from what you shown me the claims were valid. Thnx for the share Stephen! Good vid.
I love Debian.. i usually update my install to Debian Testing/Unstable just for the sake of it.. hehehe.. Not my main machine though.. I was wondering if we can do that on this version
That is pretty cool! Would the same also be possible using openZFS? Or would there be a problem because the (then needed) separate /boot partition cannot be formatted as ZFS and therefore a rollback would not affect the currently compiled kernel and initramfs files on there? Is the same setup possible using EFI instead of BIOS when there is a separate EFI partition (which I think needs to be fat32 and wouldn't be able to rollback) or is that partition completely irrelevant for rollbacks?
ZFS is heavily dependent on kernel modules, so that would add many extra layers of complexity. :) I think it might work, but perhaps too much hassle. Got the same setup working on EFI hardware with no problems!
I really learned something. I thought you had to have @ and @home subvolumes to run timeshift. But apparently @rootfs works as well. Thanks for showing me that.
Thanks for bringing this up - totally forgot to expand in the video: Debian Installer -> @rootfs, but Calamares (used here) -> @,@home. Timeshift is still hard-coded (why?!) to @ and @home btrfs layout...
@@stephenstechtalks5377 actually, it's good to find out that you can install Debian with BTRFS with @ and @home without a lot of expert install crap that I've been doing. Normal expert install only give you @rootfs
After upgrading you rebooted, but what would happen if the reboot failed after the upgrade? You would have no way to get into timeshift to say you actually now want to roll back because of failure. There is no option in grub boot menu for previous version like there would be in, say, Tumbleweed.
In case of a boot failure, and you know you have a known good snapshot: Boot live media, mount root filesystem containing the TS snapshot, install TS program onto the live session (sudo apt install timeshift), point it to the installed (broken) root filesystem, and roll back! :)
Running FreeBSD as a guest vm still works better in VirtualBox and VMware when you install it with a gui. Since in FreeBSD release 13.2 the qxl video driver re-emerged and X11 works somehow now with qemu/kvm. But when I tried it did fail in other points (mouse wasn't detected).
I really do love Debian, especially seeing how they are still supporting 32-bit cpu architecture and I have a couple of systems with 32-bit cpus in them.... But for the one main system that has a modern 64-bit Intel i7 cpu the Debian Dev team kind of dropped the ball on this one version. I've used Debian since inception and never had a problem up to this version. I had a fully updated Debian 11 install and did a simple upgrade to Debian 12 and I was getting errors during the install. I was to fix and finish the install.. Then no matter what browser I used my whole system would lock up. Also Bluetooth would not work either in Debian 12, no matter what bluetooth manager I installed. I decided to do a bare metal install of the last version of Debian 11 then updated that, then did the in-place upgrade again to Debian 12, no errors this time, but after I logged in no matter what desktop manager, any web browser even full version ones like Chrome, after a few minutes browsing on the internet, my system would freeze up again. And also bluetooth did not work. I just switched over and installed Linux Mint 21.1, no issues what-so ever.
Stephen stress testing Debian 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 and everything on Debian is old! You say Debian I think of a very very blood hound of the front porch when ya say come on boy he looks at you like really let me take a nap first 😂
Stephen wondering if you wouldn't mind looking into tpm2 for Arch. Tpm is very new to me and I don't find much documentation that is more than just general!
I see that you do videos more for people that at least know how to navigate Linux, here's another idea I have to fix a lot of items! I fixed a mvne SSD 2Tb used my BIOS on a ZenBook pro that has vanilla Arch installed zero Microsoft however I never deleted the bootloader from the bios so it still sees a windows os! The installer will come on to load the USB image to cache show the mvne and I can delete the corrupted stuff from the drive and created new fstables with the partitions it started then overheated I killed the install put the laptop on a fan the temps dropped and I reloaded win10 onto the drive after it locked so I can't load anything else, for other case uses I'd like to know how to get Linux either dual booted or the entire drive I don't care about this drive and I'll leave Microsoft on it so I can use it to do BIOS upgrades seeing it's a i9 12 Gen machine and still under support from Asus however it seems I get a lot of things given to me that lots of times I fix a give to someone in need
What whould be better debian 12 or waiting for ubuntu 24.04? Only reason i wluld choose debian 12 is that it doesnt come with snaps but that is not that much of an issue for me.
snaps will be removed in Ubuntu 24.04 due to so much negative feedback, but i would still prefer Debian 12 because it has always been without snap (less chance of issues while it is being removed in the next Ubuntu release) and it is focused on stability. Maybe I would run Debian 11 for a few months while they fix any issues since it is a very recent release and then do an upgrade to 12 following the process in this video to be able to easily revert to 11 if needed using timeshift.
@@runatrix wasnt Cannonical removing snaps from ubuntu 24.04 an april fools joke? I hope you are correct tho, because there is nothing funny about that joke. I have been using Kubuntu 22.04 for 1+years and i am very satisfied with it, just snaps were bugging me a little.
A small hint: you should've installed the linux-headers-amd64 package instead of the versioned one. This is a meta-package which depends on the latest kernel headers package, so it would've pulled the 6.1 kernel headers during upgrade to bookworm automatically, and VirtualBox would've worked right away.
Exactly. :) I got a package referenced but not found error (something like that) during my rehearsal, but that's the way it should work!
Thank you Stephen for your video's, that are easy to understand. It's great to have a few channels like yours, that dedicated some time on Debian. I'm a Debian user since I switched 100% to Linux about 4 years ago. I tried other Distros on older Thinkpad's, but I always come back to Debian. Until watching your video I never realized that the live Iso's make setting btrfs file system much simpler than using the conventional Debian installer, thanky you for that!. Greetings from Switzerland
So nice of you, thanks for your support!
Thank you dude, Look forward to the other vids in the series. Nowadays I prefer either virt-managerr(straight up), or Vmware Player/Pro as a local VM solution on my main Linux workstations, nothing wrong with Virtual Box, but recently development has been a little long in the tooth, and overall across multiple distributions I have had the most success with VMware for Linux, just my experience with recent(last 2 years) VM setups, :) Also want to add that good walk through on upgrading Debian from one version to the next, :)
Cheers, glad to hear it's helpful!
again a good video, a'm wait for the next debian, after install, going to a release party here in belgium, have a good weekend Stephen !!!
Thanks, you too!
Normally you list the btrfs subvolumes when customizing the install, but that didn't happen with your default Debian 11 btrfs configuration at the beginning of the video. I would have found that helpful as a reference for the later stages in the video (and your earlier videos). Thanks for your work!
Sorry about that - Calamares always automatically does the Timeshift @ and @home subvols!
Thanks for the video, very helpful!!! May I ask what compression algorithm ZRAM uses? Also it will be nice to talk about btrfs compression!
Great suggestion! ZRAM compression levels and algorithms are fully configurable:
www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/blockdev/zram.html
For my hardware, zstd levels 1-3 seem to work very well.
@@stephenstechtalks5377 Thanks very much! Without configuration, with zram-tools what algorithm selected by default?
Great video as always Stephen. Interesting to see an MBR single btrfs partition setup. Keeps it a bit cleaner relying on the MBR in a VM which is kinda nice. I've not used the Calamares installer from the Debian live iso so I shall have to give it shot. Bit annoying how they install so much junk though, I wish Debian would go with a truly clean instal of just Gnome and the Gnome apps (and LibreOffice I guess) not all the games and such though.
Thanks for sharing, thinking the same thing!
Fellow Silverblue user? Hello. Might give Bookworm a shot on my machine just for good memories sake. If I do, gonna miss Silverblue, but I am also kinda burnt out on virtual machines now. But this and JustAGuyLinux really keeps the spirit up with my roots. Nice video!
Appreciated! :)
Yeah, Debian 12 has definitely caught my attention and based on your demo I would have to say that it looks fantastic. Hope you get everything settled in with Debian. Been eyeballing point release distros again and have had some issues with Fedora and Ubuntu both. Just recently found out that Debian was dropping version 12 and was supposed to be pretty awesome and from what you shown me the claims were valid.
Thnx for the share Stephen!
Good vid.
I hope so too! Cheers!
I'm big Fedora fan, but thinking to give a try to Debian 12. Thank you for this video and keep a good work
Hope you enjoy it!
Thanks for this video! Nicely done.
Thank you too!
I love Debian.. i usually update my install to Debian Testing/Unstable just for the sake of it.. hehehe.. Not my main machine though.. I was wondering if we can do that on this version
Thanks for sharing!
That is pretty cool!
Would the same also be possible using openZFS? Or would there be a problem because the (then needed) separate /boot partition cannot be formatted as ZFS and therefore a rollback would not affect the currently compiled kernel and initramfs files on there? Is the same setup possible using EFI instead of BIOS when there is a separate EFI partition (which I think needs to be fat32 and wouldn't be able to rollback) or is that partition completely irrelevant for rollbacks?
ZFS is heavily dependent on kernel modules, so that would add many extra layers of complexity. :) I think it might work, but perhaps too much hassle. Got the same setup working on EFI hardware with no problems!
I really learned something. I thought you had to have @ and @home subvolumes to run timeshift. But apparently @rootfs works as well. Thanks for showing me that.
Thanks for bringing this up - totally forgot to expand in the video: Debian Installer -> @rootfs, but Calamares (used here) -> @,@home. Timeshift is still hard-coded (why?!) to @ and @home btrfs layout...
@@stephenstechtalks5377 found that out duplicating what you did in video.
Yeah sorry about the false hope! :)
@@stephenstechtalks5377 actually, it's good to find out that you can install Debian with BTRFS with @ and @home without a lot of expert install crap that I've been doing. Normal expert install only give you @rootfs
Good deal, agreed!
After upgrading you rebooted, but what would happen if the reboot failed after the upgrade? You would have no way to get into timeshift to say you actually now want to roll back because of failure. There is no option in grub boot menu for previous version like there would be in, say, Tumbleweed.
In case of a boot failure, and you know you have a known good snapshot: Boot live media, mount root filesystem containing the TS snapshot, install TS program onto the live session (sudo apt install timeshift), point it to the installed (broken) root filesystem, and roll back! :)
Running FreeBSD as a guest vm still works better in VirtualBox and VMware when you install it with a gui. Since in FreeBSD release 13.2 the qxl video driver re-emerged and X11 works somehow now with qemu/kvm. But when I tried it did fail in other points (mouse wasn't detected).
Indeed! Same experience...
I installed bookworm yesterday, SMPlayer does not work in this as it has a bug that needs to be fixed. VLC works fine.
Good to know!
NixOS is an immutable OS. I'm able to run both VirtualBox and VMWare Workstation in NixOS 23.05.
Nice!
I used Vbox for many years and finally moved to KVM and virt-manager GUI. It helped in many ways, ofc, I had to invest some effort.
QEMU/KVM remains my top favorite! :)
I really do love Debian, especially seeing how they are still supporting 32-bit cpu architecture and I have a couple of systems with 32-bit cpus in them.... But for the one main system that has a modern 64-bit Intel i7 cpu the Debian Dev team kind of dropped the ball on this one version. I've used Debian since inception and never had a problem up to this version. I had a fully updated Debian 11 install and did a simple upgrade to Debian 12 and I was getting errors during the install. I was to fix and finish the install.. Then no matter what browser I used my whole system would lock up. Also Bluetooth would not work either in Debian 12, no matter what bluetooth manager I installed. I decided to do a bare metal install of the last version of Debian 11 then updated that, then did the in-place upgrade again to Debian 12, no errors this time, but after I logged in no matter what desktop manager, any web browser even full version ones like Chrome, after a few minutes browsing on the internet, my system would freeze up again. And also bluetooth did not work. I just switched over and installed Linux Mint 21.1, no issues what-so ever.
Mint is a great distro, thanks for sharing!
有同樣的問題, 藍牙有配對成功, 不到1分鐘又脫掉了.
Over for a very high barrier to subscribing to creators, and i find myself asking myself how can i not sub to your channel?
Thanks for your viewership!
Stephen stress testing Debian 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 and everything on Debian is old! You say Debian I think of a very very blood hound of the front porch when ya say come on boy he looks at you like really let me take a nap first 😂
;)
Stephen wondering if you wouldn't mind looking into tpm2 for Arch. Tpm is very new to me and I don't find much documentation that is more than just general!
Thanks for the suggestion!
I see that you do videos more for people that at least know how to navigate Linux, here's another idea I have to fix a lot of items! I fixed a mvne SSD 2Tb used my BIOS on a ZenBook pro that has vanilla Arch installed zero Microsoft however I never deleted the bootloader from the bios so it still sees a windows os! The installer will come on to load the USB image to cache show the mvne and I can delete the corrupted stuff from the drive and created new fstables with the partitions it started then overheated I killed the install put the laptop on a fan the temps dropped and I reloaded win10 onto the drive after it locked so I can't load anything else, for other case uses I'd like to know how to get Linux either dual booted or the entire drive I don't care about this drive and I'll leave Microsoft on it so I can use it to do BIOS upgrades seeing it's a i9 12 Gen machine and still under support from Asus however it seems I get a lot of things given to me that lots of times I fix a give to someone in need
Thanks for sharing and the suggestions - not much of a Windows user here outside of a VM but I'll look into it!
You are awesome 😮
So are you! Cheers! :)
What whould be better debian 12 or waiting for ubuntu 24.04? Only reason i wluld choose debian 12 is that it doesnt come with snaps but that is not that much of an issue for me.
All depends on what you need now. :) There's also Linux Mint Debian Edition to consider!
snaps will be removed in Ubuntu 24.04 due to so much negative feedback, but i would still prefer Debian 12 because it has always been without snap (less chance of issues while it is being removed in the next Ubuntu release) and it is focused on stability. Maybe I would run Debian 11 for a few months while they fix any issues since it is a very recent release and then do an upgrade to 12 following the process in this video to be able to easily revert to 11 if needed using timeshift.
@@runatrix wasnt Cannonical removing snaps from ubuntu 24.04 an april fools joke? I hope you are correct tho, because there is nothing funny about that joke. I have been using Kubuntu 22.04 for 1+years and i am very satisfied with it, just snaps were bugging me a little.
Very nice indeed,
Glad you like!
I hear Canonical is going to make ubuntu immutable. Called "Ubuntu core".
Indeed - very interesting trend!
Where did you find the calamari installer?
Debian live desktop ISOs include the Calamares Installer:
www.debian.org/CD/live/
In this video it's the top icon in the launcher!
It's all sunshine & rainbow,
Until...
Btrfs & Timeshift decides to go on strike😅
IKR?! :D
We need a lighter nonpolitical OS to run window based apps and games and linux with out a "program adapter"
Thanks for sharing!
Hi :)