One day I hope to own one of these! Best keyboard in the world. I know this kind of work isn’t easy, and I appreciate your effort! Thanks for your contributions.
Edit: never mind… after reading the description I’m inclined to believe there were not stock Quiet Clicks in this video… oddly Surely the board has some impact, but the Quiet Click tactiles are way fucking louder than I expected Thanks for the video regardless, nice comparison to see
The tester board was focused more on the linears and the various flavours of clicky switches. The Quiet Tactiles are similar to the Quiet Linears in terms of the sound, do I did not include them for comparison.
I lube both the spring and the slider (on its sides). It makes the switches less rattly. The feel is about the same unless you lube the slider from the click plate (or tactile plate) side. Then, it becomes almost linear-significantly less tactile (plus, clicky switches may cease clicking).
Actually, they are super smooth and a bit lighter than the green Alps but that could be changed by using custom springs (e.g. from SPRiT). The contact gives a slightly different tactile feel, perhaps slightly more noticeable than on 10/10 green alps. Anyway, one of the best linear switches.
@@onkelearn Another option is to purchase Tai-Hao alps clones are remove the clicker-this will also give you a nice linear switch, it is different, however. It has a longer travel and a relatively high actuation point.
Have you found that replacing the factory lube with 205g0 gets rid of the chattering issues that matias switches tend to have? Also thank you for making this comparison video.
I have not experienced any chattering so far. I think this was more like the issue of the first generations of the switches and sometimes of poorly designed PCBs.
Those keycaps of yours are amazing! Being so thick, how would you say they work with a very light sprung switch like the Quiet Linear? Do you get any rebound?
Hi, I only have bases for keys that appear on the Symbolics keyboard plus the 2.25U shift and the 2.25U enter, the only spacebar available is 9.00U, so with some small limitations, it can be done. I can make keycaps in other sizes as well but there will be a surcharge for making the initial key bases (around 300€ per new key). If you are interested, do not hesitate to send me an email, I can make you an individual quote.
@@keymacs Unfortunately, such customization would be out of my price range. However, if you ever decide to build a keyboard with a more traditional layout (100%, TKL, etc.) and legends, and the cost would be in the same ballpark as the current model, I'd buy one in a heartbeat.
The sound is probably not as good but they are pretty satisfying. In terms of the feel I personally prefer them over the SKCL switches. I mean I have not had the opportunity to try NOS SKCL switches but the modded Matiases are in my opinion smoother than wax-boiled greens in a decent condition.
I did not have the opportunity to test, SKCP are quite rare. But at least the plate-mount version should fit in the case, a dedicated mount plate and a PCB would be necessary, though.
Do you mean the damped ones that come from Matias Quiet Linear switches? Btw. Matias switches have only two types of sliders: The ones that appear in clicky switches (undamped sliders) and the dampened ones (damped sliders).
@@keymacs I believe I mean the dampened sliders from Matias Quiet Linear in Matias Clicks because it seemed to be the only combination not contemplated in your demo. Perhaps this is what the stock Matias quiet click switch is?
@@keymacs gotcha! this is amazing, thank you for answering my questions. two quick more quick ones if you wouldnt mind: which springs do you use when combining the switches and what parts did you lube? honestly, those lubed tactiles might be the best sounding switch I've heard.
@@matthewfraney9108 I think, but this is only my guess, that all the Matias springs are the same (at least the number of coils and the material are the same). The difference in the actuation force is given solely by the click/tactile/linear leaf. Lube: I have lubed just the rails on the slider and the sides of the slider + the side of the slider that faces the contact. It is important not to apply the lube on the side that faces the clicker, otherwise the switch will not click at all (also, the tactility is significantly reduced-it feels almost linear).
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At this point I am convinced you could put cherry blues in that keyboard case and it would sound good. Your level of craftsmanship is incredible.
They should name the Matias Quiet Linear the Divorce Prevention.
I’m lucky. My girlfriend loves my salmon alps wang 725 ;)
@@qwertyuiop32935of course your GF loves it, it is a wang after all.
One day I hope to own one of these! Best keyboard in the world. I know this kind of work isn’t easy, and I appreciate your effort! Thanks for your contributions.
Thanks!
Edit: never mind… after reading the description I’m inclined to believe there were not stock Quiet Clicks in this video… oddly
Surely the board has some impact, but the Quiet Click tactiles are way fucking louder than I expected
Thanks for the video regardless, nice comparison to see
The tester board was focused more on the linears and the various flavours of clicky switches. The Quiet Tactiles are similar to the Quiet Linears in terms of the sound, do I did not include them for comparison.
@@keymacs I see, that makes sense!
how did you lube them...only slider and spring? and in terms of key feel, do you prefer the switches lubed or unlubed?
I lube both the spring and the slider (on its sides). It makes the switches less rattly. The feel is about the same unless you lube the slider from the click plate (or tactile plate) side. Then, it becomes almost linear-significantly less tactile (plus, clicky switches may cease clicking).
Awesome video! How would you say the clicky sliders in the linear housing feel like - Does it come somewhat close to og skcl green alps?
Actually, they are super smooth and a bit lighter than the green Alps but that could be changed by using custom springs (e.g. from SPRiT). The contact gives a slightly different tactile feel, perhaps slightly more noticeable than on 10/10 green alps. Anyway, one of the best linear switches.
@@keymacs really - wow! It’s so hard to find og green alps nowadays.. So if you say they are somewhat similar I have high hopes :)
@@onkelearn Another option is to purchase Tai-Hao alps clones are remove the clicker-this will also give you a nice linear switch, it is different, however. It has a longer travel and a relatively high actuation point.
Love those keycaps! Would love to buy them. When do you plan on selling them separately?
Hi! Thanks for your interest. If everything goes well, I will launch it this fall.
@@keymacs Sweet! Looking forward to it!!!
Have you found that replacing the factory lube with 205g0 gets rid of the chattering issues that matias switches tend to have? Also thank you for making this comparison video.
I have not experienced any chattering so far. I think this was more like the issue of the first generations of the switches and sometimes of poorly designed PCBs.
Those keycaps of yours are amazing! Being so thick, how would you say they work with a very light sprung switch like the Quiet Linear? Do you get any rebound?
I have tried them on those with no problems.
Would you consider building a full-size keyboard (101/104 layout) using these methods? I love the sound and the build quality.
Hi, I only have bases for keys that appear on the Symbolics keyboard plus the 2.25U shift and the 2.25U enter, the only spacebar available is 9.00U, so with some small limitations, it can be done. I can make keycaps in other sizes as well but there will be a surcharge for making the initial key bases (around 300€ per new key). If you are interested, do not hesitate to send me an email, I can make you an individual quote.
@@keymacs Unfortunately, such customization would be out of my price range. However, if you ever decide to build a keyboard with a more traditional layout (100%, TKL, etc.) and legends, and the cost would be in the same ballpark as the current model, I'd buy one in a heartbeat.
How do the Matias linear (lubed with sliders taken from Matias Clicks) feel compared to SKCL Green Alps?
The sound is probably not as good but they are pretty satisfying. In terms of the feel I personally prefer them over the SKCL switches. I mean I have not had the opportunity to try NOS SKCL switches but the modded Matiases are in my opinion smoother than wax-boiled greens in a decent condition.
I'm interested to see how this keyboard would sound with Alps SKCP (if it's compatible)
I did not have the opportunity to test, SKCP are quite rare. But at least the plate-mount version should fit in the case, a dedicated mount plate and a PCB would be necessary, though.
Hm, I know matias click (white), matias quite click (grey), matias linear (red). Which one is matias tactile?
Matias Click with the clicker replaced by the tactile leaf from the Matias Quiet Click
@@keymacs thanks a lot, I'll give it a try, they sounds damn good
@@ishtopor Yes, in that config, it is actually good to lube them with Krytox, sound deeper and less rattly.
What happens if you put linear sliders into clicks?
Do you mean the damped ones that come from Matias Quiet Linear switches? Btw. Matias switches have only two types of sliders: The ones that appear in clicky switches (undamped sliders) and the dampened ones (damped sliders).
@@keymacs I believe I mean the dampened sliders from Matias Quiet Linear in Matias Clicks because it seemed to be the only combination not contemplated in your demo. Perhaps this is what the stock Matias quiet click switch is?
@@matthewfraney9108 It is there: 0:18 Matias Click Damped (Matias Click with sliders taken from Matias Quiet Clicks, lubed)
@@keymacs gotcha! this is amazing, thank you for answering my questions. two quick more quick ones if you wouldnt mind: which springs do you use when combining the switches and what parts did you lube? honestly, those lubed tactiles might be the best sounding switch I've heard.
@@matthewfraney9108 I think, but this is only my guess, that all the Matias springs are the same (at least the number of coils and the material are the same). The difference in the actuation force is given solely by the click/tactile/linear leaf. Lube: I have lubed just the rails on the slider and the sides of the slider + the side of the slider that faces the contact. It is important not to apply the lube on the side that faces the clicker, otherwise the switch will not click at all (also, the tactility is significantly reduced-it feels almost linear).
Question: what are the dimensions of the Keymacs keyboard?
approximately 43x20cm, 2.7 kg
@@keymacs Thank you!