Of course bro I think any normal person was like “okay well it’s time to separate art from the artist” once he supported trump. And the sad thing is they tell themselves they’re the real fans lmao like I know those first five albums like the back of my hand. I actually am POSITIVE half of these kids going around defending Kanye at this point haven’t even EVER sat down and listened to the albums. If they don’t have the time or willpower to do that with basic information and facts, why would they do it with music lmao like I can love the first five albums and still think this dude is a fucking dunce, which is probably why he hasn’t made an album anywhere near that quality SINCE he’s gone into this mindstate. Every singe life of Pablo it’s been straight downhill creatively, and even if you LIKE some of those albums, he’s clearly not on the cutting edge anymore or like setting the trends. He’s following them, and him and his Stans are in such denial about that. All they can ever say is he’s telling the truth and people are silencing him Bc he’s right. Then when you mention how half of his arguments contradict each other they go “duhhhh” Bc they have NOTHING.
@@byHexted Everything he says is not wrong but he's terrible at articulations and I'm not even sure if he's brainwashed, crazy, or trolling because I don't see the point of this rhetoric.
200% right. Dude in the hat is just one step away from the people currently defending him and saying he sad what he said purely to get out of his Adidas contract.
"Separating the art from the artist" only goes so far apparently, until everyone has to TELL you that the publicly bigoted billionaire with influence is, **shockingly**, problematic.
I agree with everything Myke C said. Black folks have been excusing Kanye's madness for a long time, since he said that garbage regarding slavery. His negative energy finally caught up with him.
The sad thing is that Myke aint even saying anything revolutionary, he's just being consistent with basic moral standards, the bare minimum, which most kanye apologists somehow manage to repeatedly fuck up.
The basic moral standards are set in place by flawed individuals. If men are imperfect how can we determine any one person’s idea of law and order to be absolute?
@@highhtideVEVO no, publicly endorsing and promoting white supremacy and anti semitism are not "morally grey" concepts, there are lines that can be crossed. I dont care for moral relativism, that only applies to specific situational case by case basis. Accountability for ones actions is THE absolute, as well as you know actual law (flawed as it may be)
@@highhtideVEVO i'll put it this way, r*pe has always been and will be considered bad, you cant apply moral relativism to every situation, there is an exception to every absolute, *including absolute moral relativsim.*
@@sunflowersamurai10 i can respect that. I’m by no means putting my all and everything behind Kanye, he’s fighting a battle with himself for his kids that really no one can help him with. It’s not even a leap or something I had to ponder to know that only outrage could come from wild generalizations that come across as anti-Semitic, which as myke points out are really usually only to serve his interests ultimately. As Kanye west, there were five million things he could’ve done to gather people’s attention and call out the supposed people plotting against him, and as a celebrity really try to be a co-parent for the good of his children but we as outsiders and the audience and much less people with no kids (I may just be speaking for myself on that one) there isn’t a right answer. People talk no matter what the move is. In tandem with Alex jones and Andrew Tate, I just feel his crucifixion is means to police free thought under the guise of social justice. He definitely shouldn’t have said all The media is Jewish , but I believe the idea is there, that people behind the scenes who are capable of unspeakably malicious deeds are completely able to make a black man look like a nazi and make it make sense.
@@highhtideVEVO i dont believe that excuses kanye of his actions jn the slightest. But i see where you are coming from. Free speech is a myth at this point, there are already things people are restricted from saying, for better or worse. Media already demonise black folk for minor things, there are people with jnfluence (*cough rupert murdoch *cough) and enough power to discredit anyone they please. As a public figure you are still held accountable for your actions, due to the jnfluence it has, which there is nothing wrong in by itself, people can abuse free speech to spread lies and bigoted propaganda. Imo it becomes concerning when it is either regarding potential court cases, where no evidence has been disclosed and people jump to conclusions, OR when the outrage is being funded or publicly backed by corporations and powerful individuals. This is a separate issue altogether tbh and one that needs much better discourse than what we have already.
Kanye west is not a free thinker. He is being fed talking points by people who are using his gullibility, and he is repeating those points verbatim. Kanye's appearance, since his endorsement of Trump, has not included one original thought. He is convinced that any and all backlash he gets is just further validation of his beliefs. Myke is right. This isn't new and it should not have taken this long. It's okay to admit that you were wrong to give Kanye grace, but it's not okay to defend past excuses for Kanye as if he had not already given reason for this reaction.
That’s my problem with “the new Kanye” he ran out of ideas. He has nothing new to say, and he’s not really pushing boundaries musically either. His new albums are either too bloated or unfinished.
Free Thinker, as far as I’m concerned, is literally a code word for ‘I watch Fox News all day and shape my world opinions on tired old white supremacists talking points, I don’t read, I don’t know history and I love saying shit for outrage and clout’. If you call yourself a Free Thinker, you’re a chump in my book
Thank u Myke! i feel like I’m a minority when I share the same outrage and confusion for all the bail he keeps getting. He has def influenced a generation and he’s been the catalyst to divide the movement but no one sees it yet,
FACTS if you read these comments of ppl defending him it's sad they down to degrade they own ppl because he made some good albums they wouldn't give Jesse Lee this type of praise or grace his influence is Cult like prolly why he likes Hitler so much
Kanye making those big donations is basically the monetary equivalent to saying something bigotted and proceeding to say "but I have *blank* friends" in defense. Plus, dude's so rich it probably doesn't mean much to pay for his own clean slate.
As a lifetime Ye fan, it’s been really disappointing to see him go down this alt-right rabbit hole. The guy who said “George Bush doesn’t care about black people” and who wrote “Last Call” is gone, and he’s been gone for a long time
@DazeOfNoah i’ll tell you what, i believe he’s right about the CIA thing. but his overall dynamic has seemed to shift over the last 5ish years. To me (and i could be wrong in my assessment), it feels like Ye has gotten everything he could ever want from black people, and he now feels like he has to please and tap dance for white people. During the Piers Morgan interview, he says “there’s nobody that gets judged more than a straight white male.” I’m sorry, i just cant believe that this is the same guy who wrote “Crack Music” and “Heard Em Say,” amongst other meaningful, thought provoking tracks.
How is he gone to you if you were with him saying that George Bush doesn't like black people? What he's been saying is correct it's just the way he's saying it is what getting people upset. But the way he's coming across has been the same since he spoke on George...
@@tiagogarcia50 He shouldn’t have apologized. George Bush doesn’t care about black people or middle eastern people. That’s how you know things were going downhill.
@@MrSmith-1987 How is “I’m gonna go death con 3 on Jewish people” the ‘correct’ thing to say? Kanye fans are so brainwashed! He’s just repeating TurningPointUSA and Koch Brothers talking points (aka right wing big business talking points) and the stans lick it up and call him genius.
To Rods point: Kanyes previous statements left more room for plausible deniability To Mykes point: we need to do a better job at recognizing this rhetoric early
Same, he just seems misinformed and always struggling to understand other members takes. Unfortunately is the reason why I don't watch DEHH as much as I used to.
I think he just doesn’t know how to articulate what he wants to say, like myke. I know he’s trying to come up with it but since he’s on the spot he feels rushed. But i also know rod is genuinely more optimistic than most lol
16:18 perfectly put, since when did "free thinker" mean shamelessly simping for white supremacy? Thats literally the status quo, the definition of conditioned thinking 💀💀💀
When Myke said he's been fuck Kanye for a while but could seperate it from the music, I think that was part of Rod's point. When he puts out the clothes with those ideas on them you can't seperate the art from the artist anymore because now he's adding his toxic ideas to his art.
Her whole career is a grift... some people have realized how much money there is to make in this extremist right-wing propaganda hate machine, and don't care what they gotta do or say to get the bag! In fact, I've heard she used to be a liberal on the left, till she realized the bag waiting on the far right.
Cult of personality is a thing and society needs to addres it. We don't know any of theses people, their fucking strangers. People are way too easily influenced by celebrities. Don't care how good his music was or how many pairs of shoes he makes someone who claims they don't read shouldn't be affecting people's minds in the way he has.
Exactly right, Myke: "🤬ing 🤡!!!" I don't give Trump a pass for all his pathological horrorshow, either. Why would I give Kanye a pass?!? The danger they represent and spread surpasses any compassion for mental health issues. I'd love to hear this convo post-Drink Champs, what he said about George Floyd, companies dropping him, and yt supremacists in LA with Kanye signs, doing the one-armed Naz¡ salute! 🤦♂️SMH Horrific!!!
He will never be able to repair the damage he’s done to his fans, his country and, especially the black community. Sad thing is he doesn’t even care about anyone but himself. He’s just a crazy rich socialite.
I have no horse in this race, I'm just a hip hop fan from Brazil, but I am totally with Mike C. Looking from the outside, I can't even fathom someone defending all the crazy talk like it's something prophetic, but the media sure LOVES it. Reminds me of the 1976 movie "Network", where Kanye is Howard Beale (Peter Finch) after meeting Arthur Jensen(Ned Beatty). Scene here: ruclips.net/video/35DSdw7dHjs/видео.html "Why me? Because you're on television dummy".
Myke is totally right on this. So was Beezy for not reviewing Kanye’s records earlier. I don’t get rod’s and feefo’s point. Voting for trump is horrible. It affects peoples’ lives!
TO EVERYONE CALLING YE A "FREE THINKER":Being a "free man" doesn't mean saying whatever you want just to be provocative. That's actually the opposite of being free, you re always acting to elicit a reaction from others. He only says "Jewish" to be as provocative as possible and mistakes that for "breaking ground". I hate when people refer to the old ye, but the old ye would've "broke ground" by making a runaway or heartless.
I think the last straw for me was the antisemitic messages. I've had trouble seeing Kanye, the guy who made New Slaves, son of a Panther, mom arrested for sit-ins, being a racist
This is why we need to start putting people in a vacuum and stop letting outside factors influence how we see ideas. anybody can have bad ideas, that shouldnt be deflected by who they are as stereotypes
Is nobody gonna talk about the fact that celebrities, CEOs and corporations use charity as a way to avoid taxes? On top of that, charity does not solve root problems because of the fact that they are regularly funded by money-holders who directly oppose what the charities and other non-profits claim to be fighting for. If these orgs actually follow their missions, then the donors would pull out. It's happening in every state in the US. Look up the "nonprofit industrial complex"
Y’all gotta stop with this “It’s whatever - It’s Kanye” attitude. You know know damn well if this was anyone else saying and doing some crazy shit, you wouldn’t be fucking with him with no SLACK !! Chrisette MICHELLE got shitted on and canceled for performing.
Someone get some damn shotgun mics in the room please, i cant hear anything being said with my headphones on full blast. them directionals do not mesh well with the masks EDIT: I saw someone else say its because its a mono audio file, and that could be the issue, im not behind your soundboards, but something is definitely off
If you listen to Kanye's latest interviews, he's got his white voice on, it sounds completely different. Myke is right, and it makes sense, Kanye has seen how Trump won over the white conservative base and how it got him into the white house (like cmon Donald fing Trump got to the white house), so he's emulating him in his own way. In his own words, he never lets anything get between him and his green. Getting the white conservative market will get him alot more green.
Rod....nigga please, where the hell you been these last ten years??? Kanye the last 4 years just been intolerable to listen to but he been on these wild antics for the past ten years now
It's sad not to have the video for the podcast as a regular weekly upload on the ITMSO channel. Feeling like you guys are really shooting yourself on the foot, I know the video is patreon btw. The format for successful podcasts is that they usually do one extra episode for the patreon. It wont grow as fast behind a paywall, in addition you are alienating the whole RUclips audience, which is a a really big part of how people consume podcasts nowadays. I really want you guys to become more popular. I got more strategies and ideas but I dont even know if this will be read. For the FPS podcast, not having a visual there for every House of the dragon episode review is a really big opportunity to gain exposure that wasn't capitalised upon. Anyways, rant not over but over.
Ironic enough. Stuff like this should be behind the paywall. And video of the regular podcast should be up. I imagine it’s more so a work issue tho. Maybe there’s legit no extra time to chop up the videos as well as the audio. Plus the extra camera work they’d have to get. It’s probably just not worth it to them.
He been far gone, but it's only now because Ye is criticizing other minority communities so he can't deflect by saying he's a part of that community any longer.
I’ve learned to ignore Kanye’s rants, they are becoming more out of touch and dangerous. All I can hope is he finds support and healing, because he seems lost amongst the chaos
Im shocked Feefo had that point of view. I havent checked out DEHH for a while but thought Feefo would be more on the ball. Funny how if based on stereotypes alone you would think Myke C would be the dude that would be giving Kanye passes, but hes the most informed and unyielding out of all of them.
@@cnsmooth I never saw Myke as a stereotypical in the way most people would. I am not surprised at all that this was his viewpoint based on the way he reviews albums. To be clear, I also am not mad at any of the others. It is just really frustrating that the "I hear that, or I thought that" keeps coming up. It feels like we are not really interested in really learning about things that really are important until it becomes super viral. In addition it allows for vague discussions about really important topics. We would know that racists donate to black causes all the time. We should know that some of the people who make great music are 1) super capitalist and/or 2) not concerned about the well being of their people. It's in their every move! Jay-Z literally rapped about how he helped gentrify Brooklyn but I am still waiting for someone to actually acknowledge what he did with that Nets deal. The NBA had to create a rule so that something like it wouldn't happen again. That's why his statement on Kaepernik wasn't surprising at all.
This time? Dude said slavery was a choice and all this other shit years ago. He's been a problem. It's just that nobody cared bc he's such a legendary musician. In reality, there's many legendary musicians who're horrible people. It creates a dilemma, where you don't want a support an asshole financially, but you also want to listen to their shit. Luckily Kanye's fallen off so it's not that big of a deal to miss his albums going forward, but there's always a chance of a few great songs anytime he drops, regardless of the overall quality of the album(s) in question
Kanye dead to me basically. He was a musical hero when I was in High School. No one believed in him. Not Jay, not Dame, not other producers. He made his own bones and made himself a force that everyone at the Roc had to acknowledge. Legitimately was one of the primary forces that reshaped hip-hop a few times through his career. Now he’s worse than a self parody. He became the exact thing that the young College Dropout Kanye would abhor. He used to be so self-aware and now he’s barely there.
I actually started wondering how socially conscious ever was. The "George Bush doesn't care about Black people" line, was that actually him or was that what his mom expected of him? He became less woke after his mother died which I don't know is a direct correlation or just a coincidence.
The nigga was never woke. The Bush line was just something obvious for an outspoken person to say. Every black person in the country was already saying it for years before that.
Ken looking like Nostradamus now with his 808s review lol, For me Kanye started falling off after the song can't tell me nothing on graduation, good song but it became his mantra.
Myke is pisssed and he has every right to be, y’all really dragged him out to have ANOTHER convo about a clown that he cut ties with years ago because everyone refused to believe his true colours the first time he showed them and now shit has escalated 😷
This was hard to listen to due to the seemingly one-sided level of understanding between the speakers. Everything everyone does has influence. It is about area of effect. Kanye's area of effect is global. What he does has the potential for causing positive or negagive change across the world. Nothing Kanye does can be brushed off as inconsequential. He's not unique in this regard. People who simply ignore delusional celibrities are simply allowing the disease to spread. It will be far more difficult to cure by the time they wake up to the danger.
I really hope they move on from the white lives matters thing to the Jewish thing Bc that should be mentioned too like that was WORSE then the white lives matters thing to me
Guys why is your website not secure? and when clicking on Dead end podcasts the web page doesn't load, it shows an error message. The audio is really low so I was looking at an alternative way to listen to this....
Wish you guys talked about the antisemitic comments a bit more. That was just as damning an insight into Kanye as he wasn't working some cynical grift there, just tarring an entire ethnic and minority group with hateful rhetoric out of the blue for no reason. Doesn't make the WLM stuff any less trash, though.
Pleeeease make the audio louder, I have to put this past 100% so everything else BLARES like ads, or any notification. Quality content but the volume is usually very quiet. Can't work and listen because notifications shake the room when trying to listen
Mental health doesn’t excuse hateful rhetoric, which Kanye has been spewing for years. Is he mentally ill? Yes. But that’s not what’s making him endorse Trump and wear the red hat.
"i had to wear the pink polo to get to this point" -Ye "tupac said get your money right and then go to war" -Ye i hope yall see through the smoke and mirrors before its game time
Ye has shit on PAC many times and called him “overrated”. Pac’s family was filled with Black Panther members who fought the Government and did not like white supremacy. We all know Pac would diss Ye if he was still alive.
“Whether you saw it or not, it still existed” words straight outta mike’s mouth. If you didn’t know the option to not be a slave existed, does that make it less of a choice? In America we associate slavery with blackness, but there is an ever-present and modern form that we neglect to mention or notice because we continuously fail to address, change, and dismantle the system of oppression that we elected for ourselves. When the depth of your thought cannot breach past the color of someone’s skin, you exhibit your unwillingness to transform into who we really are.
As some point we have to stop allowing the uneducated opinion of people to matter that lack the requisite credentials. It's that simple. ... profound talent in one area does not make you qualified to speak in another. Some people are anomalies but most do not have researched and well informed opinions.. If your knowledge base centers around exrapper Podcasters, rappers and RUclipsrs solely, then you wanted to be fooled. This ain't rocket science...
The problem with a lot of Western Culture is that it’s based around Movies, Tv, radio, etc. That means that people are obsessed with celebrities, and often worship them like idols, and they feel very strongly about their fanboy behavior.
Is the mic actually still on cause y'all sound so quiet in this upload 😂😂
Serious🤣🤣🤣👏🏿. The adverts coming through stupid loud
😂😂 I was thinking the same thing, my volume all the way up and niggas whispering
I’m just glad they spoke on this!!!
im dead☠️
It’s because the audio is in mono. It’s been an issue with their YT videos. If you listen to the podcast feed, it sounds normal.
Myke's completely on point. I don't understand how after everything that Kanye's done people _still_ try and find ways to excuse it.
Myke nailed it, dude "knows" Kanye
ye is the truth, you wouldnt get it
I decided to read some comments under a Breakfast Club video and people are still defending him.
@@huey6248 What a stupid fucking response. 😂
@@huey6248 lol
Myke is 100% right. Everyone that took this long to realize this about Kanye was just in fan denial
Of course bro I think any normal person was like “okay well it’s time to separate art from the artist” once he supported trump. And the sad thing is they tell themselves they’re the real fans lmao like I know those first five albums like the back of my hand. I actually am POSITIVE half of these kids going around defending Kanye at this point haven’t even EVER sat down and listened to the albums. If they don’t have the time or willpower to do that with basic information and facts, why would they do it with music lmao like I can love the first five albums and still think this dude is a fucking dunce, which is probably why he hasn’t made an album anywhere near that quality SINCE he’s gone into this mindstate. Every singe life of Pablo it’s been straight downhill creatively, and even if you LIKE some of those albums, he’s clearly not on the cutting edge anymore or like setting the trends. He’s following them, and him and his Stans are in such denial about that. All they can ever say is he’s telling the truth and people are silencing him Bc he’s right. Then when you mention how half of his arguments contradict each other they go “duhhhh” Bc they have NOTHING.
@@byHexted Everything he says is not wrong but he's terrible at articulations and I'm not even sure if he's brainwashed, crazy, or trolling because I don't see the point of this rhetoric.
200% right. Dude in the hat is just one step away from the people currently defending him and saying he sad what he said purely to get out of his Adidas contract.
Nah it’s that they didn’t care
"Separating the art from the artist" only goes so far apparently, until everyone has to TELL you that the publicly bigoted billionaire with influence is, **shockingly**, problematic.
Beezy tried to tell ya'll five years ago.
And the funny thing about is Beezy is he’s the most quiet member of DEHH & doesn’t talk that much.
🤷🏻♂️😅
I agree with everything Myke C said. Black folks have been excusing Kanye's madness for a long time, since he said that garbage regarding slavery. His negative energy finally caught up with him.
Black people need to take accountability of themselves and stop blaming white people for there problems
Slavery is a choice tho
As long as he goes hard on Jews, some black will love him
@@enosger The same crockpot idiots who cheered when he talked shit about slavery and when he insults black women, sure.
The sad thing is that Myke aint even saying anything revolutionary, he's just being consistent with basic moral standards, the bare minimum, which most kanye apologists somehow manage to repeatedly fuck up.
The basic moral standards are set in place by flawed individuals. If men are imperfect how can we determine any one person’s idea of law and order to be absolute?
@@highhtideVEVO no, publicly endorsing and promoting white supremacy and anti semitism are not "morally grey" concepts, there are lines that can be crossed.
I dont care for moral relativism, that only applies to specific situational case by case basis. Accountability for ones actions is THE absolute, as well as you know actual law (flawed as it may be)
@@highhtideVEVO i'll put it this way, r*pe has always been and will be considered bad, you cant apply moral relativism to every situation, there is an exception to every absolute, *including absolute moral relativsim.*
@@sunflowersamurai10 i can respect that. I’m by no means putting my all and everything behind Kanye, he’s fighting a battle with himself for his kids that really no one can help him with. It’s not even a leap or something I had to ponder to know that only outrage could come from wild generalizations that come across as anti-Semitic, which as myke points out are really usually only to serve his interests ultimately.
As Kanye west, there were five million things he could’ve done to gather people’s attention and call out the supposed people plotting against him, and as a celebrity really try to be a co-parent for the good of his children but we as outsiders and the audience and much less people with no kids (I may just be speaking for myself on that one) there isn’t a right answer.
People talk no matter what the move is.
In tandem with Alex jones and Andrew Tate, I just feel his crucifixion is means to police free thought under the guise of social justice.
He definitely shouldn’t have said all The media is Jewish , but I believe the idea is there, that people behind the scenes who are capable of unspeakably malicious deeds are completely able to make a black man look like a nazi and make it make sense.
@@highhtideVEVO i dont believe that excuses kanye of his actions jn the slightest. But i see where you are coming from.
Free speech is a myth at this point, there are already things people are restricted from saying, for better or worse. Media already demonise black folk for minor things, there are people with jnfluence (*cough rupert murdoch *cough) and enough power to discredit anyone they please.
As a public figure you are still held accountable for your actions, due to the jnfluence it has, which there is nothing wrong in by itself, people can abuse free speech to spread lies and bigoted propaganda. Imo it becomes concerning when it is either regarding potential court cases, where no evidence has been disclosed and people jump to conclusions, OR when the outrage is being funded or publicly backed by corporations and powerful individuals.
This is a separate issue altogether tbh and one that needs much better discourse than what we have already.
Kanye west is not a free thinker. He is being fed talking points by people who are using his gullibility, and he is repeating those points verbatim. Kanye's appearance, since his endorsement of Trump, has not included one original thought. He is convinced that any and all backlash he gets is just further validation of his beliefs. Myke is right. This isn't new and it should not have taken this long. It's okay to admit that you were wrong to give Kanye grace, but it's not okay to defend past excuses for Kanye as if he had not already given reason for this reaction.
That’s my problem with “the new Kanye” he ran out of ideas. He has nothing new to say, and he’s not really pushing boundaries musically either. His new albums are either too bloated or unfinished.
Free Thinker, as far as I’m concerned, is literally a code word for ‘I watch Fox News all day and shape my world opinions on tired old white supremacists talking points, I don’t read, I don’t know history and I love saying shit for outrage and clout’. If you call yourself a Free Thinker, you’re a chump in my book
Bipolar disorder doesn't come with hateful ideology, Rod.
Myke on fire in this convo; 100% agree with everything he said
Thank u Myke! i feel like I’m a minority when I share the same outrage and confusion for all the bail he keeps getting. He has def influenced a generation and he’s been the catalyst to divide the movement but no one sees it yet,
Genuine question, what movement is he dividing?
FACTS if you read these comments of ppl defending him it's sad they down to degrade they own ppl because he made some good albums they wouldn't give Jesse Lee this type of praise or grace his influence is Cult like prolly why he likes Hitler so much
@@jtom416 I would like to know the answer to this question
@@richerprior5961 movement for black lives
@@superdupeninja8149 thts silly
Kanye making those big donations is basically the monetary equivalent to saying something bigotted and proceeding to say "but I have *blank* friends" in defense. Plus, dude's so rich it probably doesn't mean much to pay for his own clean slate.
The wlm shirt was bad but the anti-black, anti semetic, anti George Floyd and endorsing Candace owens bs was a lot worse
YESSIR
Yup
When that RUclips commercial hit , my speakers almost blew out because I had this podcast on so loud.
They almost killed yo shit 🤣
Myke stay with the 10/10 takes. Man is very tapped in politically and morally.
Peace to MYKE C TOWN for bringing it today !! Stating all facts.
As a lifetime Ye fan, it’s been really disappointing to see him go down this alt-right rabbit hole. The guy who said “George Bush doesn’t care about black people” and who wrote “Last Call” is gone, and he’s been gone for a long time
@DazeOfNoah i’ll tell you what, i believe he’s right about the CIA thing. but his overall dynamic has seemed to shift over the last 5ish years.
To me (and i could be wrong in my assessment), it feels like Ye has gotten everything he could ever want from black people, and he now feels like he has to please and tap dance for white people. During the Piers Morgan interview, he says “there’s nobody that gets judged more than a straight white male.”
I’m sorry, i just cant believe that this is the same guy who wrote “Crack Music” and “Heard Em Say,” amongst other meaningful, thought provoking tracks.
How is he gone to you if you were with him saying that George Bush doesn't like black people? What he's been saying is correct it's just the way he's saying it is what getting people upset. But the way he's coming across has been the same since he spoke on George...
He straight up apologized for the George Bush thing in one of the interviews saying it was disrespectful
@@tiagogarcia50 He shouldn’t have apologized. George Bush doesn’t care about black people or middle eastern people. That’s how you know things were going downhill.
@@MrSmith-1987 How is “I’m gonna go death con 3 on Jewish people” the ‘correct’ thing to say? Kanye fans are so brainwashed! He’s just repeating TurningPointUSA and Koch Brothers talking points (aka right wing big business talking points) and the stans lick it up and call him genius.
To Rods point: Kanyes previous statements left more room for plausible deniability
To Mykes point: we need to do a better job at recognizing this rhetoric early
Myke's got so much more patience than I do lmao. I was fuming listening to Rod try to justify Kanye previous actions.....
It’s really sad to see how many young people (men especially) blindly follow Kanye’s views, just because they’re fans of his music.
Shut up!! ye is god!!
Bro I swear Rod always makes the worst points and the just holds up the conversation 💀
Same, he just seems misinformed and always struggling to understand other members takes. Unfortunately is the reason why I don't watch DEHH as much as I used to.
Prefer him behind the camera
I think he just doesn’t know how to articulate what he wants to say, like myke. I know he’s trying to come up with it but since he’s on the spot he feels rushed. But i also know rod is genuinely more optimistic than most lol
Everything was good till he came on
Definitely a pretty stupid co-host, repeats the same shit over and over and cannot form a meaningful point like Myke.
It actually feels like I’m hearing people talking from across the room
its part of the experience
16:18 perfectly put, since when did "free thinker" mean shamelessly simping for white supremacy? Thats literally the status quo, the definition of conditioned thinking 💀💀💀
Most ppl who clam to be free thinks all have the same talking points supporting white supremacy and hate speech when it comes to Jews gays ect ect
@@Newportnews98 its mad how its always the exact same shit every time, like the lack of self awareness is really wierd
When Myke said he's been fuck Kanye for a while but could seperate it from the music, I think that was part of Rod's point. When he puts out the clothes with those ideas on them you can't seperate the art from the artist anymore because now he's adding his toxic ideas to his art.
gotta get the popcorn out for this one 🤣
Real talk! 😆 Too bad this wasn't recorded post-Drink Champs, and all the companies dropping him...
You have to give Candace Owens credit for hitting the biggest lick of all time. She really got one over on him lol.
Her whole career is a grift... some people have realized how much money there is to make in this extremist right-wing propaganda hate machine, and don't care what they gotta do or say to get the bag!
In fact, I've heard she used to be a liberal on the left, till she realized the bag waiting on the far right.
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I hate her but yeah she’s coming out of this completely unscathed. She used him effortlessly.
Cult of personality is a thing and society needs to addres it. We don't know any of theses people, their fucking strangers. People are way too easily influenced by celebrities.
Don't care how good his music was or how many pairs of shoes he makes someone who claims they don't read shouldn't be affecting people's minds in the way he has.
Too many stans nowadays. And they all act like 12 year old Justin Bieber fangirls who will defend their idol no matter what he/she does.
Exactly right, Myke: "🤬ing 🤡!!!"
I don't give Trump a pass for all his pathological horrorshow, either. Why would I give Kanye a pass?!? The danger they represent and spread surpasses any compassion for mental health issues.
I'd love to hear this convo post-Drink Champs, what he said about George Floyd, companies dropping him, and yt supremacists in LA with Kanye signs, doing the one-armed Naz¡ salute! 🤦♂️SMH Horrific!!!
He will never be able to repair the damage he’s done to his fans, his country and, especially the black community. Sad thing is he doesn’t even care about anyone but himself. He’s just a crazy rich socialite.
In Flashing Lights, the line 'I hate these (n-words) more than a Nazi' sure does hit different now
Aww man... Don't do that 🤣 That one hurt! Lol smh
Man Rod was irritating me 😂😂
lmao I feel Myke so hard on this one. Rod has to get off the Kanye train, whether he thinks he's a fan or not.
Myke C Town on point in this convo
I have no horse in this race, I'm just a hip hop fan from Brazil, but I am totally with Mike C. Looking from the outside, I can't even fathom someone defending all the crazy talk like it's something prophetic, but the media sure LOVES it. Reminds me of the 1976 movie "Network", where Kanye is Howard Beale (Peter Finch) after meeting Arthur Jensen(Ned Beatty). Scene here: ruclips.net/video/35DSdw7dHjs/видео.html "Why me? Because you're on television dummy".
Thank you Myke🙏man with some sense
please turn the volumen up just a little for the next one.
Yall need to up the volume please.
Myke the Kid C Town back again l!
Myke is totally right on this. So was Beezy for not reviewing Kanye’s records earlier. I don’t get rod’s and feefo’s point. Voting for trump is horrible. It affects peoples’ lives!
you can say the same thing about voting for Biden. Every politician is a piece of shit.
TO EVERYONE CALLING YE A "FREE THINKER":Being a "free man" doesn't mean saying whatever you want just to be provocative. That's actually the opposite of being free, you re always acting to elicit a reaction from others. He only says "Jewish" to be as provocative as possible and mistakes that for "breaking ground". I hate when people refer to the old ye, but the old ye would've "broke ground" by making a runaway or heartless.
This doesnt make sense because you started with free thinker but only addressed free man.
Buddy is crazy if he doesn’t see his fans being influenced, agreeing with everything he says
19:01 !!! 100 % Spot On and no one addresses it. They let it ride !!!I wish he would’ve gave examples.
I think the last straw for me was the antisemitic messages. I've had trouble seeing Kanye, the guy who made New Slaves, son of a Panther, mom arrested for sit-ins, being a racist
What do you think new slaves was about bro
@@al3xander353 certainly not about white lives matter
This is why we need to start putting people in a vacuum and stop letting outside factors influence how we see ideas. anybody can have bad ideas, that shouldnt be deflected by who they are as stereotypes
@@chaos5840 but even then he works with all sorts of rappers and hasn't given any white supremacist ideals in his music
I'm a hipster Kanye hater, I've been on the "fuck Kanye" train since 808s and Heartbreak.
Kanye gone even further now smh
I’m suprised beezy is even in this conversation he been on his Kanye strike first
Is nobody gonna talk about the fact that celebrities, CEOs and corporations use charity as a way to avoid taxes? On top of that, charity does not solve root problems because of the fact that they are regularly funded by money-holders who directly oppose what the charities and other non-profits claim to be fighting for. If these orgs actually follow their missions, then the donors would pull out. It's happening in every state in the US. Look up the "nonprofit industrial complex"
Y’all gotta stop with this “It’s whatever - It’s Kanye” attitude. You know know damn well if this was anyone else saying and doing some crazy shit, you wouldn’t be fucking with him with no SLACK !! Chrisette MICHELLE got shitted on and canceled for performing.
When Neonazis confess their love for new Kanye, you know that old Kanye is gone.
The donation was just posturing
Someone get some damn shotgun mics in the room please, i cant hear anything being said with my headphones on full blast. them directionals do not mesh well with the masks
EDIT: I saw someone else say its because its a mono audio file, and that could be the issue, im not behind your soundboards, but something is definitely off
For real dude, so unprofessional
step your headphone game up only persons audio i had a problem hearing for a very short time was rod and he obviously is not wearing a mask.
@@VinylandKicks86 shouldn’t have to step my headphone game up to hear a RUclips video 💀
If you listen to Kanye's latest interviews, he's got his white voice on, it sounds completely different.
Myke is right, and it makes sense, Kanye has seen how Trump won over the white conservative base and how it got him into the white house (like cmon Donald fing Trump got to the white house), so he's emulating him in his own way. In his own words, he never lets anything get between him and his green. Getting the white conservative market will get him alot more green.
Facts! His cadence been sounding wayyyyyyy off! Lol....he's really leaning into the "white, conservative" space
Rod....nigga please, where the hell you been these last ten years??? Kanye the last 4 years just been intolerable to listen to but he been on these wild antics for the past ten years now
Always baffled that people bought his shoes.
It's sad not to have the video for the podcast as a regular weekly upload on the ITMSO channel. Feeling like you guys are really shooting yourself on the foot, I know the video is patreon btw.
The format for successful podcasts is that they usually do one extra episode for the patreon. It wont grow as fast behind a paywall, in addition you are alienating the whole RUclips audience, which is a a really big part of how people consume podcasts nowadays.
I really want you guys to become more popular. I got more strategies and ideas but I dont even know if this will be read.
For the FPS podcast, not having a visual there for every House of the dragon episode review is a really big opportunity to gain exposure that wasn't capitalised upon.
Anyways, rant not over but over.
Ironic enough. Stuff like this should be behind the paywall. And video of the regular podcast should be up. I imagine it’s more so a work issue tho. Maybe there’s legit no extra time to chop up the videos as well as the audio. Plus the extra camera work they’d have to get. It’s probably just not worth it to them.
Kanye should call Michael Richards for some advice on what to do at a time like this…
He been far gone, but it's only now because Ye is criticizing other minority communities so he can't deflect by saying he's a part of that community any longer.
exactly that.
Straight up
The excuse was bullshit
26:06 that boosie clip killed me 😂💀😭
I’ve learned to ignore Kanye’s rants, they are becoming more out of touch and dangerous. All I can hope is he finds support and healing, because he seems lost amongst the chaos
are the dehh fans finally on beezy's side for boycotting his music years ago?
Mos Def wore the White Lives Matter shirt and he took the “V” off. Myke didn’t talk about that part of him taking that off.
Is the mic still on? Serious question. 👂🤚
No its not lol
This is sad. The idea that anyone just got this is absurd. Choosing to not pay attention is not an excuse.
Im shocked Feefo had that point of view. I havent checked out DEHH for a while but thought Feefo would be more on the ball. Funny how if based on stereotypes alone you would think Myke C would be the dude that would be giving Kanye passes, but hes the most informed and unyielding out of all of them.
@@cnsmooth I never saw Myke as a stereotypical in the way most people would. I am not surprised at all that this was his viewpoint based on the way he reviews albums.
To be clear, I also am not mad at any of the others. It is just really frustrating that the "I hear that, or I thought that" keeps coming up. It feels like we are not really interested in really learning about things that really are important until it becomes super viral.
In addition it allows for vague discussions about really important topics. We would know that racists donate to black causes all the time. We should know that some of the people who make great music are 1) super capitalist and/or 2) not concerned about the well being of their people.
It's in their every move!
Jay-Z literally rapped about how he helped gentrify Brooklyn but I am still waiting for someone to actually acknowledge what he did with that Nets deal. The NBA had to create a rule so that something like it wouldn't happen again. That's why his statement on Kaepernik wasn't surprising at all.
Ken lookin ripped 💪🦵
This time? Dude said slavery was a choice and all this other shit years ago. He's been a problem. It's just that nobody cared bc he's such a legendary musician. In reality, there's many legendary musicians who're horrible people. It creates a dilemma, where you don't want a support an asshole financially, but you also want to listen to their shit. Luckily Kanye's fallen off so it's not that big of a deal to miss his albums going forward, but there's always a chance of a few great songs anytime he drops, regardless of the overall quality of the album(s) in question
Slavery is a choice.
FACTS
He’s not a musician what instruments does he play
Been waiting on this for a minute
It sounds like this was filmed just before Drink Champs 2
Kanye dead to me basically. He was a musical hero when I was in High School. No one believed in him. Not Jay, not Dame, not other producers.
He made his own bones and made himself a force that everyone at the Roc had to acknowledge.
Legitimately was one of the primary forces that reshaped hip-hop a few times through his career.
Now he’s worse than a self parody. He became the exact thing that the young College Dropout Kanye would abhor. He used to be so self-aware and now he’s barely there.
I clown Jaden Smith a lot, but props to him for taking a stand
I clown you for supporting Jaden Smith
@@BrokenEquipment. giving props is "support" now? Don't use that logic with your child 🤣🤣
@@bruceleeds7988 you cosign him so that's support.
I'm from Mobile Al and Boosie a legend down there. Always have love for Trill Ent
I actually started wondering how socially conscious ever was. The "George Bush doesn't care about Black people" line, was that actually him or was that what his mom expected of him? He became less woke after his mother died which I don't know is a direct correlation or just a coincidence.
The nigga was never woke. The Bush line was just something obvious for an outspoken person to say. Every black person in the country was already saying it for years before that.
I’m just happy B here
Boycott super chats until the mics is actually on! Lol
Ken looking like Nostradamus now with his 808s review lol, For me Kanye started falling off after the song can't tell me nothing on graduation, good song but it became his mantra.
Myke is so right...
Mycke is 100% right
Rod really be lost... really suprising and sad, dude doesn't have a clue.
Myke is pisssed and he has every right to be, y’all really dragged him out to have ANOTHER convo about a clown that he cut ties with years ago because everyone refused to believe his true colours the first time he showed them and now shit has escalated 😷
Y'all need to add reference to the podcast episode this snippet is from. Ppl who wanna hear the full episode will want to know
This was hard to listen to due to the seemingly one-sided level of understanding between the speakers. Everything everyone does has influence. It is about area of effect. Kanye's area of effect is global. What he does has the potential for causing positive or negagive change across the world. Nothing Kanye does can be brushed off as inconsequential. He's not unique in this regard. People who simply ignore delusional celibrities are simply allowing the disease to spread. It will be far more difficult to cure by the time they wake up to the danger.
I really hope they move on from the white lives matters thing to the Jewish thing Bc that should be mentioned too like that was WORSE then the white lives matters thing to me
Guys why is your website not secure? and when clicking on Dead end podcasts the web page doesn't load, it shows an error message. The audio is really low so I was looking at an alternative way to listen to this....
is the mic still on podcast, where ever you listen to podcast. sounds normal
bruh the way they clowned on boosie 😭😭🤣
That shit was so uncalled for lmao
Season nine isn’t available to purchase. No one can get the shirts. They gave them away in Skid Row. And even the people there didn’t want them haha.
Wish you guys talked about the antisemitic comments a bit more. That was just as damning an insight into Kanye as he wasn't working some cynical grift there, just tarring an entire ethnic and minority group with hateful rhetoric out of the blue for no reason.
Doesn't make the WLM stuff any less trash, though.
i think this was recorded before the "def con 3" tweet
Pleeeease make the audio louder, I have to put this past 100% so everything else BLARES like ads, or any notification. Quality content but the volume is usually very quiet. Can't work and listen because notifications shake the room when trying to listen
In the same breath dude will say “who cares about ___” while showing how much he cares
Lollllllllllll@ supporting him after the Confederate flag, our ancestors, and Harriet Tubman but this was too much?
Mental health doesn’t excuse hateful rhetoric, which Kanye has been spewing for years. Is he mentally ill? Yes. But that’s not what’s making him endorse Trump and wear the red hat.
I'm on full volume it sound so low tho lol .
The volume is super low
Volume is pretty low y’all
41:20 lol
I understand rod on this one basically how I felt.
"i had to wear the pink polo to get to this point" -Ye
"tupac said get your money right and then go to war" -Ye
i hope yall see through the smoke and mirrors before its game time
oh the fucked up irony of Ye quoting Pac. holy fucking shit.
Ye has shit on PAC many times and called him “overrated”. Pac’s family was filled with Black Panther members who fought the Government and did not like white supremacy. We all know Pac would diss Ye if he was still alive.
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Big fan of yall but the audio is too low. Just fyi
Mike can think whatever he wants but claiming white supremacy or white power is different from saying white lives matter.
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I ain't known who Ye was since Yeezus.
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Thank you
His brain broke when he married into the Kardashians. How else could you explain making music with Daft Punk and absolutely wasting them?
Nah when Donda died, Kanye died too sad but true😢
@@youngm.a.r.s2614 we still got 808s and MBDTF tho those are classics
“Whether you saw it or not, it still existed” words straight outta mike’s mouth.
If you didn’t know the option to not be a slave existed, does that make it less of a choice?
In America we associate slavery with blackness, but there is an ever-present and modern form that we neglect to mention or notice because we continuously fail to address, change, and dismantle the system of oppression that we elected for ourselves.
When the depth of your thought cannot breach past the color of someone’s skin, you exhibit your unwillingness to transform into who we really are.
As some point we have to stop allowing the uneducated opinion of people to matter that lack the requisite credentials. It's that simple. ... profound talent in one area does not make you qualified to speak in another. Some people are anomalies but most do not have researched and well informed opinions.. If your knowledge base centers around exrapper Podcasters, rappers and RUclipsrs solely, then you wanted to be fooled.
This ain't rocket science...
The problem with a lot of Western Culture is that it’s based around Movies, Tv, radio, etc. That means that people are obsessed with celebrities, and often worship them like idols, and they feel very strongly about their fanboy behavior.
Exactly. A very large portion of America has very poor media literacy.
Thank you Myke. I really question Rod most of the time because his points don't make sense.