I tried Thrustmaster and Moza DD, here's my thoughts...
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Good Thoughts (AKA review) video, I came from a ClubSport 2.5 v2 to the Moza R9 and i dont regret it one bit the wheel and the base is great and i have never used a DD before so 9 nm is possibly the strongest nm i have used,
I feel i wont need to upgrade for a long long time, if anyone has any question about the Moza R9 i would be happy to answer them, been using for almost a year
how is it a few months down the road? is 9nm still fine or is there a little urge to go with something higher?
@voongnz it's still great, I don't feel the need for anything stronger, still feels as good as the day I got it
I got a thrustmaster t300rs gt. I wonder is Moza worth it? I tried a Fanatec during a cruise trip for 10 min. And that's all I've had with a DD. Would u suggest this or a Fanatec?
Also does the Moza R9 get hot or does it have a fan etc? How is the eco system and pedals as well and the wheel to?
Is it very detailed and is it a huge difference compared to a good belt driven system?
@dacke13 so at this moment In time I would avoid fanatec as you will never get your order,
The r9 is great feels great the f1 style rim is very high quality and the wheel base has not skipped a beat since I have had it a year now,
The r9 is passively cooled so no fan so it will feel warm to the touch after a long race or been ragged about but that is normal and nothing to worry about as it has safety features built into the software to avoid any issues with over heating, and in all the racing I have done on it not once has it got too hot,
Thank u for the response, I read about the news about Fanatec, I'm not in a hurry at all to buy the set up. But since Im new to DD wheels, I was curious about the Moza. I consider it because even thou Fanatec might be good people say the customer service is terrible.
Thank u for the reply! :)@@Demps151
Does anyone else get the feeling this video is about to cut to like a wedding. Very 90's tape over vibes haha.
The beginning definitely got me feeling those vibes plus the sound quality lol
It's the mustache. Reminds us of seeing old home movies of our uncles.
All of this lol.
The stache, the twitching zooming and the microphone capturing the noise echo .. lol
I loved it
Love the fact it is just Matt talking and not a polished production. Ther are plenty of those and they are all excellent but Matt is unique and i love his simple fun easy going style....always makes me smile and gives me a laugh
I absolutely love my T818 , Glad I went with it . I haven't had a single issue in almost 9 months now of heavy use . The FFB is incredible and very strong , I have the Sparco rally wheel with it and for me it's a great combo . I honestly can't see wanting more power , the 10 NM is more than. Enough and I often find myself dialing it back ! Anyway it has incredible detail , is made well and has worked great !
Then better never try asetekt, simucube or simagic.
As they are on another level
Or vrs
They're actually underrated as far as the motor output goes. They're more like a 14nm base and spin much faster than its direct competitors. The plastic won't be anything to worry about 10 years down the road despite what people say, and it also is more capable of picking up more detail than the likes of Moza and Cammus due to Thrustmaster having more experience in making drivers regarding FFB. You made the right choice, the extra price tag for the standalone base is there for a reason. Thrustmaster did their homework. There are higher powered brands with similar detail, but that's when you go over $1k just for the base. I have an R12 setup and a T818 setup. Despite the T818 advertising at 10nm it undoubtedly puts out more torque, spins faster, and has much more detail than my R12 setup. Needless to say, the T818 is my main rig and the R12 is for guests. I will say, Moza's accessories tend to be higher quality than thrustmaster's, but the wheelbases do not compare. Not to mention Thrustmaster's wheel rims have this cool factor nobody else has despite being lower quality than the competition. I mostly use aftermarket wheels and button boxes on my T818. Most underrated wheelbase ever to be released and somehow all these "reviewers" are dead blind to what it really is
I own the T818, 100% in it's controller, 65% in AC/ACC, it's messing up your arms.
Probably because it can hold 10 nm, not just peak to.
I would argue, it's more than enough for anyone.
The T818 is actually underrated as far as the motor output goes. They're more like a 14nm base and spin much faster than its direct competitors. The plastic won't be anything to worry about 10 years down the road despite what people say, and it also is more capable of picking up more detail than the likes of Moza and Cammus due to Thrustmaster having more experience in making drivers regarding FFB. The extra price tag for the standalone base is there for a reason. Thrustmaster did their homework. There are higher powered brands with similar detail, but that's when you go over $1k just for the base. I have an R12 setup and a T818 setup. Despite the T818 advertising at 10nm it undoubtedly puts out more torque, spins faster, and has much more detail than my R12 setup. Needless to say, the T818 is my main rig and the R12 is for guests. I will say, Moza's accessories tend to be higher quality than thrustmaster's, but the wheelbases do not compare. Not to mention Thrustmaster's wheel rims have this cool factor nobody else has despite being lower quality than the competition. I mostly use aftermarket wheels and button boxes on my T818. Most underrated wheelbase ever to be released and somehow all these reviewers are dead blind to what it really is capable of.
I agree!
I side stepped/upgraded from a Clubsport V2 to the CSL DD 8nm and while it's insane how much smoother and more detail a low end DD provides, I'm often left feeling that it's too weak.
Now looking at leaving the Fanatec Eco system and jumping to Simucube.
Thanks for the sandwich review. Your thoughts on the racing stuff was good too.
The Road America carousel is a major point to consider people. How many times have you taken the carousel and just spun out? The reason is because your wheelbase was not able to give you the detail while under high load. Now to fix this you would have to lower your force feedback settings, but then the rest of the track will not have as much force feedback.
Where there's a carousel in Road America? Does he mean that long never ending right hand corner before the back straight?
I'm glad you discussed overhead when talking about the amount of force these entry level wheelbases have. Something I hadn't thought about, but will definitely be considering when I eventually upgrade from my old G27.
It’s definitely something to consider. I went from a clubsport v2 to an accuforce v2 and ended up with a Simagic alpha ultimate. I don’t use near the full 23 nm but having that overhead for the real strong forces like hitting curbs and such plus the added responsiveness is nice to have.
@@Jpilgrim30 in a recent video, Matt talked about how hot the Moza wheelbase was getting. I can't assume that's good for the longevity of the motor. I'm a firm believer in the "buy once, cry once" motto so I think I'll pony up the extra cash for something in the 20+ range.
Thanks for the review Malone!
Good honest overview. Thank ya sir. I started with an asetek 12nm and it’s outstanding. I found its first and really only real limitation so far, and that’s in the f3 car. Haven’t gotten into the formula b cars quite yet but I’m sure I’ll be wanting more force with the super formula.. otherwise i can keep that force feedback meter just kissing max from time to time and don’t want any more power in any other cars. I was genuinely bummed when I finally understood where those massive spikes make all the difference and where my wheel couldn’t handle it.
Can you ask them if we are getting a t818 for Ps5 ?
I finally decided to make the jump from an old Fanatec belt drive wheel to a Moza R21. I couldn't decide whether I would need the extra strength later down the line but found a good deal in the UK that came with the GS GT wheel so went to the R21. I love it but tend to run it at around 60% strength at the minute, tries to snap my arms off otherwise lol.
Exactly! Tried a 25 nm wheel myself, at 50% my arms we sore after a few minutes. No need for that much force...
Thanks for the review. Been looking at the Moza. Love my G920 but I'm also wanting that step up too.
Logitech has a DD offering too
I recently got into DD with the simagic alpha mini. It is a huge upgrade coming from a belt driven thrustmaster. 10nm is for sure a great starting point like you said. But I really don't see myself needing to upgrade anytime soon. I think that some new technology would have to be replacing DD for me to even consider.
The good thing about the alpha mini is that if you do decide to upgrade you have the regular alpha and the alpha ultimate so you can stay with the same wheels and ecosystem. The alpha ultimate is awesome.
You had me at Chicka Chicka Boom Boom. That was a staple when the offspring were smaller.
Talking to my therapist about the Chicka Chicka Boom Boom trigger next week. I have PTSD from those days.
I appreciate your unfiltered input on these products! You can also adjust the Moza settings from an app on your phone or tablet, on the fly. I do think that your comments seem to be more focused on a smaller percentage of sim racers like you already mentioned in the video. For the masses, I'd expect either of these to last a couple of years before considering an upgrade. Although, your comment about missing out on the range was very interesting. Having the R9, I think I will shoot for 16+nm the next time around.
Clearly you must work at Moza! or at least a fanboy lol
@@RCSPARTAN77 There's literally nothing in my comment praising Moza in anyway... Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit huh? lol
@@adamsteff7856 Hit a nerve did I?
@@RCSPARTAN77 I mean, it's just an illogical statement. Someone makes a comment with zero praising and you call them a fanboy. Trust me, someone with that kind of flawed reasoning isn't someone I concern myself with.
This felt like a really fair comparison and good advice for people looking for an upgrade. I'm not in the market for either, so feel free to ignore my question, but I'd love to know how the magnetic "cogging" torque is on these entry DDs... like, how smooth do they feel to turn when there are no forces on them?
good question...overall pretty smooth, i did notice a bit of "friction/cogging" with the thrustmaster, thats when I was not in sim and the motor was on
I dunno what the hell all that wheel nonsense was about but that spicy chicken nugget info was the content I was looking for
also depends on the game, F1 games doesnt require that much ffb strength, max it out and you will struggle turning the car when you have that tons of downforce and would want to center the wheel like crazy.
Best of Malone VHS Edition.
I love the production here. I'm one of those new guys running on Logitech hardware and after 9 months of iracing I'm much more interested in upgrading my pedals over my wheel. What kind of entry level pedal options are out there now?
For PC ONLY, you can mix the to plataforma, by a tlcm Trustmaster pedala, you wont regreret
We've also learned which wheelbase is best for your iRating 😂
What is the difference, if any, between the sensors from a Moza to say.. a simcube or the one you have? They claim a difference, could you explain this?
Malones diet will always amaze me
I have the t818, and The power is a little more than I can handle. You can race for hours and it stays cold. I wonder if t818 is positioned as continuous 10NM whereas others are peak. In power, the RMS is normally = 1.4 times higher than the peak or more. In an Audio amplifier, the peak power can be 2000 watts, but the RMS (continuous) is 500 watts.
I wonder who compared the power while having that in mind.
Good stuff Matt 😉 I've got a question. Will a DD help me fix this problem. Every time you turn up in a race it's like I'm cursed 🤣🤣, wiped out 1st corner (not by you) .. looking at top 3 finish but I've got quali fuel and the lights go green! Leading race (very rare for me) right up to power cut (extremely rare in UK). Any advice will be much appreciated 😂
If you have 2 DD bases all those problems will go away. Lol
Have you ever used a simxpiernce direct drive? When I turn the power up were I like then I can feel ants in the road I can't seem to make it smooth and bumps in the road like my real car, it like jolts your hands on every little bump I can't get the feel I like. When I started dying my hair my buddie told me Maybe dye your eyebrows a touch dude lol.
I've got a Simucube 2 Pro, and honestly I limit it to 6.5Nm otherwise I feel like I'll break my fingers, so these have more than enough torque.
Not a question for the bases as i have VRS base myself. Where Can I ger that shift though? Love your content, keep up the good work 😊
Amazon. I got a link on my discord
I don't suppose you know off the top of your head what the slew rate of the VRS wheelbase is? My real question is, get a VRS or save up even more for something like an Asetek? I can't afford either right now, so I guess I have some time to decide. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
I have my VRS slew rate set to "performance"
Is the Moza R21 DD base any good? I figure the difference between 9-10 and near 20 force is just spend the extra money and get the better equipment.
Haven't tried the R21 but I would assume it's got PLENTY of power
That was a great in depth analysis of a chick sandwich, hi mat I love iRacing!
Did you find that with less nm you have to adjust your grip strength to get near same results?
Ummm....no I grip it depending on force. Less force less grip. More force more grip
Moza with the tiny form factor and the awesome quick release just destroys pretty much everything at this level.
You don't see any play in higher-end(apart from DD/DD2 where there's a lot and for some reason Fanatec still didn't release QR2 after teasing it 2 years ago).
Hey, Matt. Has the T818 got warm like the R9 did as well? And I'd like to know if the flex on the T818 is perceptible while driving.
Thanks
I didn't notice the T818 getting warm
What about flexing?
@djegovic22 I bought the moza r9 on March this year, and, within 30 minutes, playing ACC, the base gets hot. I run it default settings and in ACC at 70 percent, forced feedback. Now, on July 14, I started to feel a very strong smell coming from the moza wheelbase like burned plastic. I bought the warranty at Micro Center, and it covers 2 years. I will see what I end up doing.
@@pabloaguilera4075 thanks for the info, mate. Hope you figure it out.
I have to be accurate on my purchase because I intend to buy a DD on a trip either to US or Europe (I live in Brazil). So it would be a pain in the ass if I had to send it back.
I bought the r9 a week before they released the r12... I'm so pissed.
Out of interest what nm do you run your vrs drive at?
It varies but probly 75 to 80 percent with spikes going higher
Hey Matt how's it going, wondering if you are going to try the Logitech Pro set up been using their wheels since they started and now it's time to go DD,really enjoy the racing and the bantar ,Cheers Mate 🇦🇺
right now i have no plans to try logitech
thanks for the reviews Matt, you didn't explicitly mention whether any of the two companies gave you permission to express your thoughts freely, so whether this is an unbiased review. Or did any of the two companies ask you to not talk about certain details or topic? I am sure both didn't, but it is common in review videos that people make mention if it is a "paid review" or an unbiased one, and what that does in the youtube eco system is that when content creators DONT mention it at all, it's a paid review
I think i mention there are "no strings attached" but yes they sent me equipment, i tried it out, end of story....no money given to me and no rules. This is just me rambling about what I thought about my experience.
@@MattMaloneTV ooh must've missed that, I apologize. Thanks for clearing it up for the deaf :D
Was looking forward to this review, enjoyed watching it. So they are equal in performance? Was hoping one would be better than the other. 😅
Performance is basically the same but price, software and QR go to moza
@@MattMaloneTV But the Moza doesn't come with a wheel for that price? If you already have 3 thrustmaster wheels the price is basically equal?
@@cowboy8038 The tm also does not come with a wheel, tm wheels are much cheaper than moza wheels tho.
@@iimmolarious7636 Yes I know but like I said in my case I have 3 wheels already so if the performance is the same it seems like the TM would make more sense for me.
@@cowboy8038i was in your situation, bought the T818, as it can hold the 10 nm, not just peak to it.
But my 28 GT wheel squeaking under that force... Had to order the new 488 GT3, hope that's better
Nice Review! Where can we find the sick shirt?
Amazon. Link in my discord
Nice videa Matt but you need a microphone for these talking at a table videos.
Nice video but I think you need to use a clip-on microphone for these kinds of videos as it's quite hard to listen to you because of the acoustics ;)
I agree 👍
then this thrustmaster is after T GT 2 ?
Thrustmaster says "youre fired" and Moza will be sending the R67 out as soon as we get the first one off the assembly line
Cool Tee Shirt!
Wouldn't you say the Moza R5 and Fanatec 5Nm DD Pro are Introductory Level?
technically yes, I guess these that are 9 and 10 would be "mid-level" There are so many choices now!
Funny shit Matt. What was you win / loss record with each?? Making ya work now 😂
I have no idea, and I'm not looking it up, lol
They should've sent the Moza R16
I have a DD1 and I probably use only a third of its strength, so if it ever dies on me I'm not sure what I will do, still I would be worried that 10Nm or less really wouldn't be quite enough, maybe 12Nm would be the sweet spot for me.
Do not forget that the T818 is 10nm constant so peak is higher than that; the Moza is 9nm peak, I have them both and the T818 is definitely stronger; I have the Moza R9 since early june and the T818 since last week, I keep on experimenting, I have the CRP pedals on the Moza side, will have a set of Fanatec Clubsport V3 tomorrow to match with the Thrustmaster replacing the T-LCM pedals.
@@altransamaltransam95 Hello. Between both wheelbases which has the best Force Feedback?
@@NachoRacingTV Hi ! T818 is above the R9, enough to notice with more details but I also purchased a R12, the clear winner here !
@@altransamaltransam95 Hi, Thank you for your answer! So the R12 is much better in term of force feedback than the t818?
@@NachoRacingTV Hello, more force feedback strength of course, but also more subtle details but that can be the Moza software that is superior; bottom line is, if your starting from scratch, get the Moza; if you already own Thrustmaster wheel(s), T818 is a great choice !😀
Hey Matt, when are we getting some food reviews?
What do you want me to review?
@@MattMaloneTVWell, those spicy chicken nuggets with pepperjack cheese and sweet/sour sauce on hamburger buns would be a good start, as soon as you've stopped sweating.
why did matt move his eyebrows to his lips?
Matt do you like movies about gladiators? 😊 thank you for the video. Peace✌
Not particularly 😅
wow! dunno if i can take you serious with the moustache!! 1970 P0rn star/car sales man lol .... Great review by the way....think i'll be going for the Moza R12
Good choice!
Ridiculous how expensive the Thrustmaster is against the Moza
Hmmm t818 ? Had it less thana week and it broke just stopped turning in wish I'd read all the bad reviews before i bought it. I only had it set at 60% ffb. Anyway sent it back got a refund so will be buying a simagic now 🙂🙂
Where can I get the T-shirt ure wearing?
Amazon. Link on my discord
review summary: Mine is best. From my pedestal I cant see much difference between these two toys.
Matt do you have a wig ?
Extra lego hair for this video! Hahha
@@MattMaloneTV Trump level smooth.
Ya, thats a legendary comb-over
Can you respond to this question?
sure
Good thoughts but you need to get more into the head of the people who are buying these entry level DD. Not everybody has the space (or a desk, mind you, a regular desk doesnt work for higher forces) or the budget to go for 20NM high end sim equipment. You made way to many comparisons between these 2 products and your preferred equipment than you did with 100-300$ dollar equipment - which ultimately are the people who will be buying this and because it was made primarily for them and not for somebody who spends 2000$ on a rim alone.
I know these are your thoughts and not a review but still, the video comes across like I have so much better equipment, these are great but you still need to buy 20NM and GSI in the end while it should be hey, sim equipment has come a long way, a couple of years ago you could get a logitech for 200$ and then nothing until a 1000$ fanatec, now there are these entry level DD which are great but you can still upgrade them later if you want to take your sim racing even further.
lol wow this is classic lol
seriously? why cant you have the t818 software on another screen. eyeroll. when people say dumb things..
The problem with the TM is that the rim is garbage.
Take a look at the R2 v2 Moza rim. THAT is a rim.
I am a minute and 13 seconds in and I can't watch. Your microphone sucks. Sorry. it is what it is.
I agree, since this video I've improved the mic quality
The problem is with reviewers you can’t say exactly what you want. Because if you say it’s crap, they won’t send you another one to review.!!!