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Expand your Studio storage with this! Mac and PC film composers must have!
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2023
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Thanks so much for mentioning the recommendation. ❤
I was really happy to be able to recommend something to you because in most cases I benefit from YOUR recommendations. 😀
And of course, I can't agree even more that this unit is a must-have for anyone who deals with lots of data or even different OS versions. I.e. on Mac it is even possible to test newer or older OS versions in parallel to the one on the main computer because you can start a different system from one of the SSD's in the Multidock.
HaPe!!! Of course I would mention it! Thank you so much for this recommendation- it really made a lot of sense- I am sure you will have more stuff to suggest next time we see each other ♥️♥️♥️
@@DomSigalas Thanks again and yes, looking forward to hopefully see you very soon. ❤
Pro video and film people know and love the juggernaut that Blackmagic Design is. They are a major player in both Hollywood television and film. Been using their hardware and software for years.
Thank you, Dom! A must needed Domberg weekly video overdose.😊
Many thanks, this is very useful!!!! Especially for those with both (PC and MAC) systems!!!
Cool, thank you for the heads up!
Omg you hit the nail on the head. I have been searching for something that does exactly this for about 5 years. PERFRCT.
It’s changed my life Harry! Definitely worth checking out!
Wow! Thx for sharing.
Thanks for this...I would love getting this for my studio
This is so useful!!! thank you for showing this :-)
Thank you for sharing!!
Thanks Dom ❤
Funny I was literally looking for something like this last night, no joke. Thank you! This physical rack mount SSD chassis is exactly what I was looking for because I have seen something like this in other setups on different RUclips channels, but couldn't find anything like it at the usual music stores online. I did not realize Blackmagic had this. I am familiar with Blackmagic since I have a video capture card from them.
I was just looking into expanding my system, thanks!
Thank you for your video. I'm considering this solution since a while.
I'm already 25 years on logic pro but I enjoy watching your videos.
Thank you for watching ♥️
nice! good insight
Great TNX for this Tipp it is a Game Changer 💥💥💥
I Luv this channel bro. Super subscription
You're so right ! I am discovering VST, especially from Spitfire Audio thanks to you ( very fine, smart and convenient company ) and I was wondering with their sizes of a few gigabytes each one how to have many at the same time using on a computer. Now I have the answer ! Thank you much Dom, you're a very good man ! 🙏
Awesome video☺♥♪♥
Great!!
This topic will be relevant for a long time for both SSD and NVMe disks. I think the main thing we need to share going forward is quiet NVMe enclosures that perform well. Everything I'm finding so far that has DIY disk installation has noisy fans... even the expensive racks.
For sample library read operations SSDs won't get hot but NVMe disks could because the read rates are 5x higher and they are physically smaller. Maybe a heat sink and open chassis would be good enough for cooling? For intense prolonged video processing though I'm pretty sure you need a fan for NVMe disks.
Heaven !
I am using external Thunderbolt pocket for 2 SSDs but this is way cooler! Thanx Dom!
I’m using an OWC Express 4m2 with my Mac Studio. Runs 4 NvME disks thru a single thunderbolt 4 port. Right now I’ve got four 2tb cards running in raid 5 (I wish I got larger sizes but it’s pricey). Anyways, all my heavy orchestral libraries run like a dream thru OWCs softraid application. Love it
Thank you for pointing out OWC Express 4m2 . I spent literally over an hour looking through OWC's many options but didn't realize this one is a DIY enclosure... and there's no fan to make noise? For NVMe disks it's probably the better option. This Blackmagic Multidock 10G is great though too because most of us (including me) have many older 2.5" SSDs.
I am using NAS with 2x2.5gbe network adapters. I can access to data from anywhere within my local network. No need to keep replugging usb c wire between computers.
your can extend your free PCI port on PC to a 2 x SSD.M2 port with a cartridge and plug in 2 SSD. Payed about 10bugs and works amazingly well.
(M.2 M2 NVMe SSD to PCI-E PCI-Express PCIe 2.0 x16 adapter.. up to 3500MB/s R/W)
Thunderbolt 4, YES!
Can’t live without it, I have 2 in my studio, 32TB of SSD in total!
I’m very close to getting a second one too! Brilliant !
They are so cheap i was shocked at the price!! Do you know of they are cascadabke? I don’t want 8x drives mounted on desktop!
Hello Dom, thanks for another great video. I really enjoy your content, especially the Cubase tutorials. I couldn't help but notice you are wearing a "Masters of the Universe 💪HE MAN" t-shirt in this video. This brought me back to my young days when I was just a kid watching the tv show on Saturday mornings. What is the rest of the t-shirt logo? ... LOL ... I have to know! "MADE IN ?????"👕
Also for Windows users, and those on a budget, you can just use high speed USB 3.2 hubs and plug in multiple external SSDs. That's what I have done because one of these elegant solutions is pretty expensive, where as I could just but fairly affordable parts one at a time. Sure it's not quite as fast but it works just fine for large sample libraries and media composer work flows. I currently have (8) separate external SSDs spread across two USB 3.2 docks, plus other external spinning drives and USB devices, like my audio interface, MIDI keyboard, etc.. Each Hub is a powered (that's the important part, you want a powered hub with a big power supply) 7 port hub and both are full. They work fine. They are all connected to my Windows based laptop, which is my only computer for audio work. The downside is that it's messy. It's a lot of cable gack. The good part is that it was fairly afforaable, relatively speaking and I can pack up my entire studio, minus the MIDI keyboard controller (I have a small portable one) and speakers into 2 laptop bags.
Same here, USB hubs are cheap and work fine for several external SSDs. :)
Hey Dom, what you’re looking for is the Nestor NA622TB3. This one can host 4 NVME drives that connect with a single TB3 cable. I think you can even configure them in RAID setups. But than you would compromise compatibility between windows and Mac, although you can overcome that using SoftRaid for example.
Wow have to check this out!
I saw Christian Henson utilising black magic a while back. Definitely a cool thing to know about when the requirements reach that point, which they don’t yet for me
I've got 2 USB 7 port hubs and I bought a little SSD->USB adapter for basically no money in this context, so say $25, and the USB ports were the same price. I attached a sound library SSD and it worked great so I bought two more and I have altogether 8TB of disk space. And it kind of works I guess. I am looking into a spanking new system of doom, though, with too much of everything haha! Then I have to take some black magic into consideration ... :D
As a budget friendly start up solution I can recommend a SSD->USB adapter, no problem! Gone are the days of digging around in the computer chassis for HDs! :D
Great video, thanks. What SSD’s do you recommend to put in it?
hi dom thanks for all the tips and the videos pls can you do a song breakdown of one of you mix those nice 80s sound you play here pls
both OWC and SonnetTech make an external NVME case that uses Thunderbolt, as you describe. They might only be Thunderbolt 3 and not 4, but for this use case it doesn't matter. Thunderbolt3 and 4 have the same maximum data transfer speed.
Do you happen to know if they hit the full transfer speed (5GB/s)? I've been having a hard time finding ones that will allow pcie4 SSDs to hit that.
@@JFrameMan unfortunately I don't know the answer to that. I don't have either, I've only been eye balling them for a few months now. I would just ask the manufacturers.
I did something similar but I use to use a eGPU with my Mac but when I switch to Apple Silicon I kept the Thunderbolt PCI dock for the GPU but replaced the GPU with a 4 slot NVME PCI card. I paid about $40 for the card and it can be set up as 4 drives or in RAID. I have it as 4 different drives in one box under my desk. The Blackmagic 10G is a nice option as well for storage.
Very insteresting!!! Have to look into this too!
I like the ingenuity. I thought eGPU was limited to graphics cards given the name. I'm wondering if there are limits to what would work, e.g., would the Universal Audio quad PCIe card I have work in it?
@@davidmcnamara7928 Yes you can use a UAD card with the eGPU box as well I have a M1 Max Macbook Pro in the studio and a UAD-2 Octo card in a Sonnet breakaway box 550 eGPU box. Works perfectly fine.
@@davidmcnamara7928 Yes you can I have used the Sonnet breakaway box 550 with a UAD octo card. UAD has approved thunderbolt enclosure listed on the website You can also get Thunderbolt boxes that will house more than 1 card so if you find a deal on DSP cards then that is a good way to save some money. Sonnet works really well with Apple computers and I have always had a good experience with them
100% behind the need for nvme slots. The main weakness of mac studios right now is that you're stuck with the low storage amount you buy from apple if you want 5GB/s or more read speeds. The docks I've found still only deliver 3.5GB/s maximum when there are SSDs on the market easily hitting more than 7GB/s. I thought thunderbolt would've solved the limitations of external storage, but unfortunately not yet.
Great rec, Dom! Can you tell us which file system you have the drives formatted to that supports both Windows and macOS? I do this too and landed on NTFS as it has better support on macOS than APFS does on windows. But what's yours?
Dom, on PC you can use NVMe PCIe drives, I have the sata bus disabled. This is really useful for video editor that need to swap drives constantly, for sample libraries, I would never use something like that, because I have no need to swap sample librarie drives.
Indeed! Yes, I use this so I can share the same data amongst many different systems. I try to avoid anything that’s proprietary to one system these days- I want to be able to use my samples libraries on 3-4 computers depending on who’s working on what. It’s a massive workflow boost and I only need to have one working copy and my backups :)
@@DomSigalas Seems very useful, especially if you have maybe producers coming to your studio and they want to work from their laptop with their session.
Such tools are great, thanks Dom. For my backups, a 19 inch removable frame with 2-3 slots for 3.5 inch hard drives would also be great. Since I have a 19 inch rack right next to the PC this would be ideal for me and I wouldn't need those ugly standard frames that are on the PC case anymore. Does anyone know if there is such a thing?
Feel free to make more videos like this about 19 inch Quality of Live Tools. PS: Nice He-Man T-Shirt by the way.
is there a video on the flock patcher ?
I keep contemplating a NAS solution with everything via Ethernet 10gig. Blackmagic does those too! I do have a wandering 4tb Thunderbolt 4 NVME drive which leaps between my Windows desktop and my M2 iPad Pro. Mostly used for video. Although pricey, a good NAS would combine huge storage plus RAID, so there is a safety aspect to it too. I know it seems overkill when it is just one of you, but I know a couple of people that have gone that route and haven't looked back. They spent a good amount of money on a big NAS container, but then didn't fill it up with drives - they have added to it over time. That was SSD. But you can get NVME too. ASUSTOR do a 12-bay NVME NAS solution, I notice that does both 2x 2.5 or 10gb connection. (I haven't looked at it in detail). It is a tricky one.
Startech do a 4 bay NVME TB3 which is cheaper than the Blackmagic rack that you might want to look at.
I want to get all my libraries external before my next system upgrade. That will will give me more flexibility when it comes to case size and so forth, (depending on the graphics card!).
One thing worthy of note, however, is the big difference between M2.NVME when it comes to speed when they are full up. The powerful WD examples lose very little speed, but the cheaper 4TB versions can slow down quite a bit, I have read. Enough to create problems on something like video footage, though possibly less so on audio libraries.
Anyway, that is my completely inexpert thoughts!!!
NAS is the way to go if you plan on expanding your team, especially if you go the route of an enterprise solution and not prosumer. At Mad Wave Audio we have multiple workstations in house and remote, and they all need to access the same projects and even work on them in parallel.
I'm quite late here, but my intended post was also going to be about NAS being a better option for sharing among different systems - store once; access everywhere. Thanks for the info on speed issues with some NVMe drives slowing down as they near capacity. I wasn't aware of that.
It might have a better lifespan if it has more ventilation unless the rack is actively cooled.
The SSDs barely get hot even when in heavy use :)
@@DomSigalas i realised upon more research that type of SSD is the slower kind. The fast ones get real hot! So the thought of 4 of them in an enclosure between the patch (another hot beast!) and the RME made me cringe! But those slow 500 mbs drives don’t get that hit. The 3000+ mbs drives do! I’m looking at a G-tech shuttle or blade unit for those. But this unit you demoed being rack mountable and capable of 2x comp support is plenty fast for audio I guess.
The beginning of the end for WD Elements USB3.0 External HDD? ...and ASRock Livemixer making a lot of USB connections possible going directly into the computer.....I am born 25 years too early beginning with Atari Mega STe....
Dom, you just saved my life. I'm currently using a hub but it's not ideal.
Just passing on the info! Glad it might help!
my focus on your He Man ! cheeers from Indonesia !
Hahahaha well spotted! ❤️
Hi Dom, I'm interesting what PC components you own and where the track and processing limitation in Cubase are. Currently I'm owning a ryzen 5950 with 64gb, aorus elite x570, but it seems 64gb are over the top where 32gb ist totally enough for heavy projects on windows 10 ATLAS D.. The system runs over 250 audio tracks attached a fab pro R reverb, 64bit processing, 24bit 44.1khz, on 256 byte audio buffer. Would be great if share your experience. 👍💻
I use a OWC ThunderBlade with 4 nvme in OWCTB3TBV4
I think its a great idea but how about this. I want to get into making movies on a portable device such as a phone or a tablet and I want to get some really good software to edit the videos with. Can you recommend some equipment I can get on a budget that is affordable as I don't have a lot of money. Also I live in Sydney Australia😀
Dom , Do cubase 10.5 free with yamaha mixer have free instruments
Did anyone face an issue using Multidock with Mac Pro 2013 as it is not detecting the drives at all?
Asustor has two all-M.2 SSD NAS products with up to 10 Gbps Ethernet interface speeds, so if you're looking into something cheap but with much higher speeds and with NVMe SSDs (up to 12 of them) - these solutions may be worth exploring and investing. I have to say - I haven't tried Asustor myself, just wanted to suggest what I saw on Linus Tech Channel. Blackmagic Design products are all excellent (superb!) of course - but from what I understand their 4x SSD are all for SSD SATA disks, not NVMe - so that may be a bottleneck in some situations. Also, NVMe disks might be a little cheaper than enclosed SSD with SATA interface. I could be wrong so if someone knows better, feel free to comment.
Better still copy a to b would be better than 4 ssd slots seems a bit overkill
wasn't the older TB version Faster ???
I want an octo nvme thunderbolt storage system.
Wait you haven't heard of Blackmagic? What software do you use for video editing?
Of course I’ve heard of Blackmagic, I use Resolve for years now. I said they didn’t pay me to make this video and I don’t have a connection with them ;)
Oh and for RUclips videos I use Final Cut all the way- the best for this kind of content in my opinion.
@@DomSigalas oh okay, I was just confused cos you said "I don't know them" 😁
Dom, do this dock exist also in M.2 format ?
No, not yet, that’s what I say on the video in the end, that’s my wish! NVME Thunderbolt 4 version!
@@DomSigalas oh u r right, i missed the very end ! nvme swappable would be the best
Just use NVME enclosures and a USB3.2 hub. 20gbps. Fast enough.
Sooner or later I'll also have to go to the dark side but I keep finding excuses to postpone it.
Maybe you just gave me the ultimate excuse to avoid going there all together.
What’s going on with steinberg? they are late with the next Cubase update.
I'd rather have them not release every one year but wait and deliver a great update than release something meh for the sake of a yearly schedule
What's up with your RME & Dangerous gear?
Love them to bits !
@@DomSigalas would love videos on them. :-)
Dom tell them to update the montage sequencer to function more like the motif hardware sequencer. There needs to be a dedicated undo tab that is available at all times no matter how many pages you go to. There needs to be able to switch between sequences with out having to stop the sequencer. Its a cool sequencer but it is kind of quirky it relies on AI a little to much. There needs to be an designated separate pattern set up area page.
Any reason don’t used NAS?
I use a NAS server yes! But this is not fast enough to run libraries. Great for backups though !
Very usefull sure but 622€...! Its for professionals or... rich persons. I think the M2 version will cost around 1000€... the cost of a computer...
Yes that’s what I say in the end of this video. This is a solution for professionals that will see return on their investment. For me this saves me tons of money and the cost is negligible compared to what I get in return.
Mac users solutions to problems that should not exist hahahah. Jokes aside very useful if you work across Mac and PC.
It is expensive!!!
Yes it’s not cheap by any means!
Bo$$
this thing should have 4 usb c ports not only 2, that would be much better
One USB3.2 or Thunderbolt would be the best :)
@@DomSigalas i mean to use all 4 individually the best would be to have one port for each SSD Slot, thunderbolt or USB 3.2 yea, atleast in my case that would be the best because i wanna use one slot with a bidirectional switch 1 end to BMD Video assist rekorder and the other end to computer, with a button press, SSD goes to Video Assist ready to rekord, with another button press, recorded files show up on desktop :P
@@VELVET462 in this case, it would work much cheaper if you got 4 good quality enclosures, right?
@@DomSigalas yea already printed the SSD Mounting 19 Rack version from Caleb Pike if you know that one? from DSLR Video Shooter (name of the channel here on youtube) but still cant find a good Usb C switch which will work well, the Sata to usb adapter works, cable works, video assist too, only the switch wont let the ssd signal go trough.. need to find another switch -.-
@@VELVET462 oh yeah that’s AMAZING!!! I have watched this video!
Its cool but seems overpriced for what it is.
You know Dom I love your videos but your thumbnails and titles are too much click bait. You make great content, you don't need to do click bait please. I already know your channel and if I want to learn anything I know I can count on your channel but the click bait just socks.
Just show us the black magic thing in the title or thumbnail .
Hey man! Thanks a lot for the kind words and thanks for watching.
I take all comments in consideration and I want to touch on this subject.
One thing that is crucial with RUclips is thumbnails and titles. It’s the factor that determines if people on RUclips are going to watch the videos or not.
RUclips pushes you to create interesting titles. When I didn’t, even long time users didn’t watch the videos. We’re they bad videos? No. But the thumbnails might have been very ordinary.
You might say you know me but most people don’t :) And the amount of work that goes into these RUclips videos is immense. The costs for making them is very high too. And remember this is free content that I bring you weekly with very few exceptions. I never miss a date.
My thumbnails are not clickbaits. Clickbait is a thumbnail that promises something to lure you in and it doesn’t deliver. If you were my friend and I wanted to talk to you about the Blackmagic I would tell you “I can’t live without it in my studio”. I’m honest. If I just had the title of the device in there nobody would know what it was and nobody would care about a product title.
At the end of the day, I want to think my videos deliver quality and useful informations and well-crafted titles do help in people discovering the videos and the channel. If they don’t, I will not make any more videos because it won’t be sustainable.
I am thinking of making a course where there won’t be any thumbnails or titles to distract you if it bothers you.
But my free content will always be there available to everyone. And I will do my best so people can benefit from it for free without paywalls.
I hope this helps you see my perspective.
❤️
Hi @DomSigalas
I hear you
It just sucks to have to Click on a video just to see or hear what this exciting thing that I can't do without. All I am saying is that it would really be great to know what the video is about by reading the title or seeing the thumbnail, but it's alright.
@@Tsietsithelele I totally see your point- I wish more people thought like you do ❤️ trust me I don’t enjoy having to go through this every time !