Did we Choose the Wrong Boat? | S08E18
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Two years ago we spent months of our lives, dedicating every waking moment, all of our energy and focus, to a single goal. To find the perfect floating home for our family. We road tripped up and down the east coast of the United States, strategized with experts, spent our nights editing videos and our days touring every boat we could, all in search of the best Bluewater boat we could afford.
We had a really strong sense of what we wanted our future boat to prioritize, and what compromises we were willing to accept. But that was all very theoretical, and now, after living on the boat for two years, exploring a huge variety of coastlines, and sailing across the Atlantic and much of the Mediterranean, it’s time for us to take a step back, and ask ourselves if we made the right choice?
We’ll give our honest thoughts on how well the Pacific Seacraft 40 suits our needs, what we think of the various systems and design elements, we’ll discuss what kind of sailor could benefit from this kind of boat, and what kind of sailor might not, and finally we’ll answer the question, did we buy the wrong boat?
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So now you want the ! " Half a Million dollars boat! Because this one isn't good enough 😕! New Channel is Called " Project " Rich Folks! And even that won't be Good enough 😕 " Yup! " very disappointed in you Guys
@@williamoberlander7932, what video did you watch? I understood them to say that they like THIS boat very much. ????
@williamoberlander7932 are you sure you watched the same video as the rest of us did. I understood it that they were loving their boat and were keeping her until their family was to big for it. No boat is perfect so no matter how much you love your boat there's always something you wish it had...it's all about compromise.
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Not terrible italian (even though analcoholic has been tough)...but I've plenty to say about that supposed to be carbonara 🤣
I’m glad you still like your boat, because you are not getting Atticus I back.
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Always remember, where your dream ends, someone else’ dream starts. And Atticus I is that dream.
Hey guys it’s been a while. I am the sailor formerly know as SV Esprit Libre. Just over 2 years ago I had a series of bad heatstrokes back in Florida. Sold the boats and moved to a remote homestead in Alaska and started a new YT with videos this time. Lol. Did not have good internet until I got starlink. I really need to catch up on your videos now. I am so glad you guys are still sailing and added a member to the poop deck😂 congrats 🎉🎊🍾🎈 ❤. Be well and sail on.
The way you all explain things and share your life experiences it really draws you in. I only know you from your channel but its like we're old friends. Its so personal and transparent. I love you guys!!
And don't forget the aesthetic. She has truly beautiful lines. How wonderful is that!
Pacific Seacrest does a superb job of building Bill Crealock designs. I had a Crealock/Pacific Seacrest 37 in the ‘70’s. She had a cutter/ketch rig which was fabulous in versatility in adjusting rig to any conditions. I sailed her from Puget Sound to Cabo in Baja and up the sea of Cortez and offshore passages single handed, I love the 40 but felt it too much boat for me to single hand. IMO, especially after your two-year review, you’ve settled on the perfect boat for the four of you. Pushing 80 and no longer in robust health I live vicariously following your posts. Haven’t missed a one since Atticus I as I kick back landlocked on ten acres in the Sonoran Mountains. Huzzahs to you both!
Pacific Seacraft … ooops😊
BTW, what initially got me hooked was meeting Bill Crealock in the early ‘70’s. A great designer, he was also an accomplished single-gander with many ocean crossings under his belt which inspired his designs. Almost nothing was missed in his hull designs, layup parameters, rigs and rigging and layouts below. It’s a shame he didn’t live to see the incredible leaps in technology that have become available since his passing. He’d have been thrilled. In my day, nav was by sun and star sights and dead reckoning using tables, chronometer and stacks and stacks of paper charts. Comm was via UHF and ham. No RUclips adventures and WiFi for support, only mag articles and, egads, paper books, lol.
Speaking of primitive: my first passage making was on a hundred year old 24’ folk boat. Kerosene running lights (no electrics aboard), alcohol stove, bell and air horn and of course no radio. She was a dream to sail. My transition to the PS37 was like moving from the stone-ages to the 20th century.
TMI, I guess. Sitting here marveling over the many many improvements you enjoy in this day and age. Thrilled for you and, I guess, more than a little green with envy!
Have y’all thought about adding an external bow thruster kit? Are they worth it?
One of the prettiest boats on youtube, IMHO. Glad you're still happy with your choice. I've been a fan of PS since i got into sailing. She's a stunner.
So like in Jaws "We're gonna need a bigger boat", lol. Go for it! I think you've outgrown it, its beautiful but small.
Atticus II is such a pretty little ship.
Little ?
@@johnmayer3433compared to my Hunter 170 yes, it is quite large, but put alongside a three master schooner and becomes a "little ship." As in all things, it is always a matter of perspective.
@@davidhall8874 yeah 40' is a good size but definitely not super large.
Excuse this post, I may say too much!
I have just watched the review of the Pacific Seacrest . I think this was one of the finest productions of Project Atticus I have watched since The day I started watching Atticus when she was still being renovated to sail the Caribbean and you two were not even married. Apart from the detailed, articulate, review of the pros and cons of Atticus 2 this was a revelation that I felt was an undercurrent of how the 4 of you are now interacting so, (dare I say, )'Lovingly' as a family living together in such close quarters but still working together with a common goal. It is heart warming! Jordan you should be getting some requests from boat builders to consult over plans for long distance yachts with that review. Pacific Seacrest can be very proud I would think of their design and construction.
Thank you for sharing so much detail of your lives and experiences with us. You made my day! Happy Sailing to the 4 of you!
good episode, i agree that a lot of new boat owners think having the safest most seaworthy boat is a priority, then they realise they spend 99% of their time in port or sailing weekends, the best advice i could give anyone is be honest with the type of sailing you CAN do, not what you want to do, i mean i would love to have a kraken yacht and Elena as a wife, sailing the pacific islands and drinking rum punch from a coconut every night, but my job and family have other plans with my time
When Jordan was talking and Osso came around the canvas to jump into the cockpit area just cracked me up✌️💜 great to know you guys are content with your choice!
That caught my attention too. Oso is certainly master of the boat with full certainty in his sea legs.
Strangely moving. I started watching during the boat review series. Boy you have come far. Time has passed. I feel sure you have not wasted yours. Thanks for enriching mine.
Greece is expecting you with open arms!
It would be great if we had the chance to see you in person and help-show you around our country specially if you pass near Athens!
Sending our love to all you guys!
NEVER say "The baby is sleeping" unless you want her to wake up. We used the "bagel is in the toaster" so as not to jinx our Harper's sleep. Lol. Trust me. Don't mess with the sleep gods in their own back yard.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Instead of a bigger dodgeer, spray skirts on the stainless railing around the cockpit is what we do in the PNW (WA, OR, BC Canada). It works and we have big waves (sometimes frighteningly large) and strong winds upwards of 70mph.
Sweet wholesome video, well done!
Good luck with your future adventures 🥂
That was a great recap/update on your boat and goals. I've been with you since the beginning and I'm exited for you and proud of you. What an awesome family 🤗💞
So great to hear your review. Love seeing the positivity!
Great happy for you all !!! ❤❤❤ been following you from the beginning in Key west you’ve progressed very well!!
Perfect vlog ! Very informative and wonderfully filmed.
I loved rain days when I cruised with my father , and now when I cruise . An excuse to curl up and read a good book .
Agree about the canoe stern downsides to the extent it is a dealbreaker. Bigger cockpit, wider quarter berth and being able to carry more solar panels are good points about a more conventional stern shape. Add a big lazarette hatch aft to stow fenders and stuff is a bonus. Calico Skies (Sabre 36) carries more solar than you due to stern shape.
Thank you!!!! I watched all of your reviews and this one today. The honesty is great ❤
You guys are great. I love how two young people are following their dream and your new addition to the family is a real smiler. We are at the other end of the spectrum of life. We going to follow our dream, a bit later and older but we will give it a go, we will keep an eye out for you and say hello. You bring us great joy.
Excellent episode, really great consideration of the factors and use of archival footage. Superb choice of what to include.
Great home you guys! Happy for your growing family.
I love following you guys.
All of it. Your journey is amazing for all to watch.
Thank you for sharing your lives with us here.
This was special review, thanks, so good to see that you are loving and respecting your yacht.
I love how you love your boat! Jordan, that tool section looks great with everything in husky organizers! P.A Sails look amazing on this boat. 💜
You forgot to mention a key criteria that applies to your amazing boat. Its quality, such as strength and durability over time. Take a new production boat and after 20 years it is toast. I had a Beneteau as my first boat. It started to come apart in year 2. I learned the lesson and moved on to quality boats. You have a true quality boat. Enjoy!
I'm blown away that it's already been 2 years. I would of wanted a cat for the extra living spaces but y'all's breakdown also lets me know I really only considered living area as a priority.
For a live aboard with a family, a catamaran would be my first choice as well. Delos has 13 foot more of a boat than Atticus and even it gets small with a child.
Sailing cat in the future would be ideal. Provided you have a good stash of cash.
There are issues with Catamarans, the not infrequent Corkscrew/Bucking Bronco motion really does my head in as a motion when one Hull is affected by a Wave before the same wave affects the other Hull affected me very badly when young ery fit and healthy. Now I'm old and disabled a Cat is right out of the question and os further ruled out by the generally large open spaces in the between the Hulls accommodation and Cockpit areas. Being the equivalent of a steel Ball Bearing in a Pinball Machine has Zero attraction for me, then add in significant annual Costs, problems getting a Marina Berth if you need one, if you can even find a Berth for a Catamaran - Berth availability can also be a Real problem with Minohulls of 50ft length and Over, and annual Costs Skyrockets with those too. Yes some Monohulls also have much too wide open areas with lack of handholds and places you can wedge yourself into as well. An example is Linear Galleys which even with a security strap an have you e ding up on your ear, if trying to use it underway. They are fine while at Anchor or in a Marina though. BUT if you can find a well designed Cat, with sensible secure stuff tonprevent anyone getting thrown across a large saloon, and the Motion doesn't do your head in, plus are OK with them being downwind focused and rubbish going to windward, then there are, if you have loads of Cash, some very nice Cats that can be very nice to live with, that are available. The Leopard ? I think it is that the RUclips Channel Sailing Sisu has, is one of those nice ones, plus it looks to have been well designed and built. Some, are so poorly Built, they barely survive a few years Chartering sadly. So if determined to have a Cat, due your due Diligence prior to Purchase, and you should land on your feet. Very Best Wishes and every success finding an outstanding Cat when in Search of one. Bob, still landlocked in Wales. 👍⛵️✨️✨️✨️
@@brownnoise357 thanks for taking the time to break it down for me!
@@brownnoise357 98% of their time is spent at anchor. I can tell that you have never owned a catamaran, I doubt that you have even sailed one. Your opinion is a collection of other peoples opinion's. Most of them probably never owned a cat as well.
Great boat. Pretty hard to beat it. Continue to enjoy. You guys keep her up, that's the real key. My boat is 3kms from the house and weekend cruises have been pretty common since 1999. We had twins in car seats 22 years ago...good stuff.
In 6-8 years down the road, add a couple more kids, and you will be ready for a bigger boat. Keep your upgrade wishes and pour them into your next boat!
Thanks for the review. One definitely gets a better feel of the boat once you’ve spent time living aboard. As you know, no boat is “perfect”. It just have to be “perfect” for you and meet the goals you’ve set out for it. You guys have done a fantastic job and have taught us viewers a lot. I presume Isa’s tests were cleared by the doctors as I know you’re on the move. She looks so happy and is such a doll. God Bless her. As evident, your hard work on the boat is proving worthwhile. Keep pushing those sailing adventures and continue to take us along for the ride. Cheers 🍻
Note: seems that this platform added some numbers to the end of my initials. Hmm 🤔
Out of nowhere my name changed also. I thought I was hacked but haven't found any repercussions yet.
Good analysis of the good and bad!!Really great explanation of modern open wide and flat production boats as compared to the heavier but much more seaworthy and comfortable older ones like yours too!!And that most sailboats would be somewhere in between.Glad you love Atticus 2 it’s a beautiful sailboat especially while leaning over and letting the sails do their magic ⛵️⛵️
Thanks for this episode. It nice that you go over this. I'm not a sailor, but did pick the boat you bought when you were looking. any change can be done , especially with field like Dan and Kita for design options . ⛵❤🙂
Excellent video. Thanks. 👍
I think your doing a most extraordinary thing raising your daughter on the boat. Hope you never give up
Safety and Comfort, that’s all that really matters. What an experience for a young family. Cheers.
I absolutely love y’all and the boat! I can’t wait until I can get my first sailboat!
I'm glad to hear that you still rate your Pacific Seacraft so highly after two years! Incidentally, we own a 52 Hollmann and we: still dumpster dive in the freezer, wish there was more galley storage and more room for tools, that the beds and cockpit were larger, and the 7' draft is a hassle. I guess these are common problems with boats, no matter the size?
Go for it guys! Good luck.
Bravi ottima scelta la vostra barca è davvero bella. Io ho un Benetau 50 del 1996 ed è diventata la mia CASA!! La vostra bimba (baby) sta diventando sempre più bella.❤ un caro saluto da Giovanni italy
Hola mi apreciada familia de Sailing Project Atticus,
Great of you to do a review of the boat, after all it is your home, and you definitely need to go over things before starting your long journey into all those seas you have planned.
Watching Isa closely, she has Desiree's eyes, such a light-filled gaze. 😻
Can't wait to watch the next episode.
Muchos cálidos saludos, la "tía" Ivy desde Panamá.
Beautiful boat. Nice job guys
The side spray coming around the dodger in heavy weather can be fixed using temporary transparent heavy duty lee panels either heavy-duty Velcro fastened, or my preference is hooks and eyelets, with shock cord loops and hooks at the edges. Keeping out of the wind is essential to prevent exposure fatigue--even when wearing heavy weather clothing, when your body burns its energy reserves just to stay warm, the mind loses the ability to react quickly or reason at 100%. It would be one of my priorities, You can still go forward, you just need to leave the leeward panel off. I would be mindful of fitting a solid dodger with panels each side that lift up to stow under the dodger roof, when the existing dodger is up for replacement. I would build it in PVC foam sandwich using fibreglass, because of its strength and insulating properties rather than heavy marine grade plywood.
Fantastic information you all look super sorted very settled
Loveeeeee❤❤ Always smiling Isabella ❤😂
What you said just shy of the 2 minute mark about that feeling when you know you can relax during "potential danger" is so true.
Beautiful sailing sequences!
As always love watching y’all
Hello from Ontario Canada, you checked off everything about your boat that myself as a sailor would also like. For me, the larger, more protected cockpit that could be possible with a squared off stern combined with a sugar scoop for ease of entry/exit at anchor is about the only changes I would prefer. I would consider an aftermarket bow thruster upgrade project for your future :-).
Loved being at anchor, cozy in the protection of my boat on a fall day listening to the rain ( without lightening).
When Issa smiles, she brightens my day!
That SMILE at 25:59 ..... Priceless
Enjoyed your review of the boat!
Excellent video!
y'all chose the right boat... love your channel! Wife and I are in Washintington, NC. checking it out for a night, then on to myrtle. cool place glad we stopped here
One of the things you didn’t mention about your Pacific Seacraft is the safety features which were designed under the waterline.
As you found when drilling through the hull for a new seacock, you have 1 1/4” thick layer of fiberglass in the hull and it retains the general form of split underbody with ventral fin between keel and large skeg.
As Dick Beaumont, builder of Kraken Yachts has mentioned “I also discovered a trend in the industry to move away from tried and tested blue water features such as an integral keel, skeg-hung rudder and a solid hull specification, in favour of cheaper or faster options.”
Great perspective!
Well done to the two of you. Thinking of you with Isabella's medical appointments coming up
Great review. You picked the perfect boat. (That was such a feel good video!) 😎💕💕💕💕💕💕💕
You guys continue to do an amazing job with your channel. When things are good you share the celebration and when things are bad you don't hide it. You do a great job with the tech pieces, the sailing, the discovery, and I've never commented so this is my first.
Background: Carl Alberg designs and William Crealock designs are quite literally the best in the world. I was thrilled when you chose the Pacific Seacraft and glad you enjoy it.
My comment: That canoe stern does take away from total space and does complicate some of your installs, but if you haven't taken a SERIOUS boarding wave yet that completely fills the cockpit to the gunnels you will be very grateful for the tonnage of water that you are Not carrying as it drains. Sometimes smaller is better. And you'll be pleased with how quickly it drains while you correct whatever "You Did" to take that wave....and hope there isn't another one coming soon.
That boat will last, it will serve, right up to the point where you out grow it...and then I seriously recommend the 44 ;)
Glad you love it. It's a beautiful boat!
Father God, I come to you asking for healing for Isabella, and ask that you keep a hedge of protection around this precious family, in Jesus’s name I pray, Amen. May the Lord continue to Bless & Keep You All…In His Love, Chaplain Matthieu 🙏😇✝️❤️
So happy for you all, more storage is always important, but you guys are ingenious and will figure out good ways to maximize that. The fridge/freezer thing is really interesting, wondering what the OG designer was thinking...
For maneuverability, you may want to consider the jet thrusters in the bow. My next boat will definitely have this as I single handle a lot. It would be an easier mod without installing the tunnel. It's a gorgeous boat and one on my short list. I only sail the great lakes so transom access to the water might override the canoe stern. I want a solent rig or cutter. I do like the idea of a deck track for self tacking in single handing situations. Storage is problem on every boat. Great review.
awesome job on the refit
This was an excellent overview of your boat. I can't help but think the Tayanna 42 checks off many of the shortcomings you mentioned. This is particularly true considering the massive amount of storage in the Vancouver 42, even the fridge has the front door, quarter berth bigger and a plus king size v-berth. Yes on the 42 sails like a dream. All are in agreement both boats are crazy hard to maneuver.
I’m noticing a few cruiser owners on RUclips are having newer and bigger boats being built at this time - is this only a common phenomenon or what? I really enjoy your channel Jordan and Desiree and Isabelle and ISO. So happy to see you today. 👏👏👏
you guys are the best you come a long way from boat yard work in Mexico best wishes
Your is daughter looks to be growing nicely, hopefully the final medical goes well for you and you can start to enjoy the travel and most importantly all the hard work both of you have done. Good review after watching your first one 2 years ago. Has it been that long lol
Hey Buds! No, I am not caught up yet, but wanted to catch a current vid. I'm sure with houses, boats, cars, etc. you'll find things that you would rather have, or things that could be improved upon, and fortunately, y'all seem to have what you needed for this point in time and until the second kiddo comes along. Then, you'll have the opportunity to reassess what you have and see if it still works. Y'all have done so much and gone so far in your travels from fixing up an old boat in the Keys to sailing half-way around the world and expanding your family. What could possibly be more epic? I'm just so happy that you've decided to share it with us. Good luck for the next journey. Love you guys.
Never regret something once the decision has been made your decision to buy Atticus II was and is a good one especially considering all the upgrades and improvements already accomplished. The truth is you never stop making changes and improvements what those are you guys will have to decide. Thanks for sharing this video.
Has a great capsize rating also. A great feature when traveling the world with the family.
I like the way you review the boat nice job I knew she was going to be a great boat - such a beautiful boat as well
Good perspective of a very nice boat imho. Best Wishes and Fair Winds. Bob in Wales still. 👍⛵️✨️✨️✨️
The whispered communication to bring up the anchor!!!! I'm dying!! 🤣🤣🤣
Wow, two years. I was rooting for the PSC, as I'd made the same choice (a 34) to live on. A few years on I still love my tough little boat, and it's lovely to see you three still love your tough big boat! Yeah, more storage would be nice...
Our bin type freezers had baskets that could be lifted out--and one got good at hoisting the basket, retrieving the item desired, and replacing the frozen food quickly before too much heat was gained. We gave up rummaging with the freezer open and cold fingers. Rubber gloves and a quick hoist--and the deep freeze is back to normal ASAP. Front opening freezers with pull out internal drawers are not so power efficient--but are the next preference because of the more convenient access to stored food.
I agree. Use your ingenuity to solve the freezer problem. The use of multilevel baskets and shelves that allows access to deep longer storage can fix your problem without compromising the structure.
What a beautiful life. Congratulations
awesome episode
Thanks very much
I am quite biased. I love the boat I bought a few years ago. I bought a tayana 52. 3 full staterooms, 2 full heads, huge galley and salon, huge storage room forward. I can seat 10 people in the salon. It's a great boat
I found one to bid on. It's a fixer-upper 42' ketch center console.
I'll spend a year retrofitting and removing the gripes.
I will be incorporating many of the seacraft features.
You know; You could alter the stern of your boat.
I loved the boat you picked and your additions have been wonderful to watch! I’m guessing no matter how much storage you have or get you will never have enough. I was in the Navy for 23 years and I can tell you it is the same way on a ship! Learning to live with what you need is the trick but as you point out the boat has potential space. In the old world you will find great cabinet makers who can personalize it for you while optimizing the space you get! Good idea about a door at the bottom of the fridge! Good gaskets and double the thickness of the door! You are the most lovely parents and of course your baby is beautiful! I can’t wait for your visit to Greece 🇬🇷 and Turkey 🇹🇷! You are great story tellers and at keeping the videos interesting! Just remember some us will always enjoy the mundane moments too. Best wishes and cheers 🥂 to your floating family! Be safe!
You have a very freeking beautiful boat, for sure. No boat is perfect in every way. Even custom built boats have something not entirely desirable. I can see your dislikes and don't blame you but unless you did build yourself the perfect boat, which takes a lot of time away from the sea, I think you already have hit the nail on the head there. Your sweet little girl is so precious! Be safe Always 💞 from the Philippines.
Love y’all’s channel. Beautiful baby 👶! Atticus is a really nice boat. Be proud of what you have and what you have accomplished. When you were talking about space, and comfort when sailing or anchored have you compared a catamaran the same size ? I was only a day sailor but from all I have seen (not experienced) I think my choice would be a cat. Have you looked and/or considered? Stay safe and healthy ⛵️🇺🇸👍
There are a million opinions... but I think you did it right. You went from a boat on a shoestring budget to a home on the water for your family. You priority will be your family... not hauling water. Your priority will be your family.... not finding a laundromat. Your family is safer with the updated electrical. Your quality of life is better with the starlink...don't need to worry about uploading...staying connected with your extended family...and Issa may use that one day in the future for online schooling. You didn't buy a boat with those existing systems that almost give you what you need. You bought a boat on which you could install the systems that will best meet your family's needs. I think you did it right.
Thank you for sharing your beautiful family and all your sailing adventures!! Could you post that Beam link again? Thx
I love the end of this video :)
Atticus is truely an amazing boat ..
I love your boat and it's layout too ,I do agree about kitchen cabinets ,but you can add all that later on ,the thing is that you'll only know what you really need once you live on it for a while not when you purchase it like camper vans ,anyway it's a beautiful cutter for a 42 footer .
Waw time fly ,cant believe, you all ready have tow years with Aticus II 👍🏼
Liked your review. I thought it was very objective and honest. I own a C&C racing sailboat so I have biased opinions. I don't like double enders but I appreciate the build quality of Pacific Seacraft and I will check out your modifications as you seem to have made great strides in becoming self sufficient.
When you get to Sicily, take a trip a across the island. That would be fascinating.
That dog loves you guys!! ❤
Life is so fine, and Devine when everyone is at peace in their Mind!!!!!!!!!!
I have owned several speed/ ski boats,, but never a live in boat, however, we have had several campers and not once have I ever looked forward toward resale value. I add what we want to be comfortable and for storage. Yes, we have lost value on some, however, the last two campers I added a deck to the rear for generator and bike carrying and it actually added value and salability. One had to live comfortably in the now and not look too far into the future...
Nice boat and sweet family ❤