CrossFit vs Orange Theory Fitness (OTF) vs F45
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Hey fit fam! Just did F45 and wanted to give y'all my thoughts. Here's my in depth blog post going through all the points in this video: crossfitrep.co...
EDIT: F45 does require certifications and one full week of training from all it's coaches. Thanks to Marc Arnberg of F45 for clarifying that in the comments!
If you do want to try CrossFit, here's the post I mentioned with info on how to find a good CrossFit near you.
Hope you enjoy!
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Hi Jake. While I applaud your effort at being unbiased, you are still an owner of a CrossFit and your ultimate goal is to get members...you said that from the beginning. I own an F45 and just want to clarify some things to help you understand the model better, since it sounds like you only took one class and base your review on this one time experience.
1) we are all franchisees and individually owned. Mom and Pop shops just like you. I don’t have the chilled scented towel 😂
2) all trainers are mandated to have accredited certifications and get a one week, inclusive training for our programming and exercises.
3) we do have interval timing only, but the intervals change based on the workout. On cardio days, the rest period is shorter to keep everyone moving. While on strength days, the rest period is longer, allowing for more recovery and focus on form and weights. Crossfit is all about counting reps and moving at a fast pace (AMRAPs)...without proper coaching, this leads to bad injuries.
4) just as with CF, each location has different trainers and some are more engaged and more technical than others. I used to belong to a CF where the coach just sat and watched us workout.
5) we all have had “secret shoppers” at our gym. If you walked in to my place, I would have seen you coming a mile away. You are in great shape and clearly lift. By faking poor form, you were risking taking attention away from members that need the help.
6) F45 is very much about the community. My members have created some of their closest relationships in our space. It’s a true source of pride for me.
It sounds like you are a well informed and high quality trainer. Keep helping people and changing lives. Be honest and deliver the best program you have.
Hey Marc! First, thanks so much for taking the time to watch, and write a thoughtful response. To clarify, my ultimate goal is to get the RIGHT members. I believe anyone can do CrossFit, but not everyone will. Realistically there are plenty of people who should be at F45, OTF etc. That was the thrust of the video. Also, I took two classes, but you're right, that's not a large sample size.
1) Get those towels man!!!!!
2) Thanks for clarifying that, so it's similar to OTF. That's excellent. I edited the video caption to reflect that correction.
3) I actually disagree with the emphasis on constant high intensity. We don't do that at our gym, and more and more CrossFit's, as well as CFHQ , are actually trending that way. Constantly driving the sympathetic nervous system through high-intensity exercise (added onto the high intensity of most modern lifestyles), is not effective long term. Also, 30 seconds of rest is not nearly enough to recover between real strength training sets. If you've ever read Supertraining or any other serious lit on strength training you know this to be true.
4) I am really sorry you had that experience! As I said in the video, the lack of quality control in CF is one of my main beefs with it. Also the tendency of many CFs to hire coaches who work in unrelated industries who coach one or two classes a week is ass backwards and needs to stop.
5) If I'm reading between the lines, you're saying that the coaches at the F45 I went to determined that I was a secret shopper and then ignored me? I actually heard almost no coaching/cueing happening during either of the classes I went to. I wasn't just me, it was everyone who was being ignored. This is my fundamental criticism of both F45 and OTF, that there simply isn't time to coach, even when two coaches are on the floor at F45. You're directing traffic and giving high fives, because that's all there's time for. Especially given the circuit set-up at F45.
6) I'm happy to hear that you're fostering those relationships at your gym, that is truly the best part of being a gym owner! Maybe the upscale strip-mall location I went to was the outlier.
You as well brother. Just because we might disagree on some of the finer points, doesn't mean that we're not united in the fight against chronic disease and the couch. Cheers!
CrossFit REP thanks for taking the time respond as well. I think ultimately F45 and CF are good programs, with variety and science behind them. After that, the owners and trainers are the true success factors. I don’t think they ignored and definitely feel they should have corrected you and anyone else that needs correction. I just don’t agree with your approach, I’ve had people do that and told them the same thing. I think you could have easily figured it out by looking around while working out. That being said...I think it’s terrible if they weren’t correcting members and working the room responsibly. Competition is always going to exist...it’s healthy and keeps everyone working hard.
Just to clarify about the strength work..F45 is not a power lifting gym. We don’t look for super heavy lifting. Plenty of people (including myself) get stronger at F45, but we are not looking to push to failure each time.
I have tried many different programs and have found the right combination of strength and cardio in F45...that’s why I opened one. It’s not for everyone, that’s goes for all programs. When I first discovered F45 no one knew what it was...I would describe it “if Crossfit and Orange Theory had a baby”.
You strike me as a quality, responsible owner and trainer. Keep your standards high and always deliver. We all have the same goal in this business. 🙌🏻
Marc Arnberg thank you because I didn’t feel like typing! You’re exactly right thank you again !! head trainer and general manager of F45 Pearland West if your in Houston soon
@MarcAnberg Yes, I made the same point in the comment above.
I attended f45 nearly 5 days a week for almost exactly two years! The intervals vary but the strength days don’t allow for anywhere close to enough time to fully recover if you’re truly trying to build strength. I got stronger but i hit a threshold after the first year, because you can only go so heavy on deadlifts if you’re only resting max 45 seconds. Not to mention, at f45 you don’t have time to change plates and as one of the stronger members my barbell wouldn’t work for most other members so that also limited me. If all f45 members should be accredited, certainly many are breaking that rule. There was a highschooler employed at my branch, and often only 1 trainer. F45 helped me in the cardiovascular dept for sure, but when it comes to strength that came when i switched to crossfit. At f45 i could never get strong enough to push press my bodyweight.
I have tried all 3, and I prefer F45. In fact, I have taken over 800 F45 classes in less than 2 years. F45 has 3 cardio days, 3 resistance (weight training) days, and 1 hybrid day. In terms of high intensity interval training “HIIT” that’s true on cardio days, and somewhat on the hybrid day. On Resistance days the idea is to lift weights, and to not have an extreme heart rate, so, it’s not necessarily similar to the HIIT cardio days. Unless it’s your first month working out, your heart rate should not be extremely elevated (as it will be during cardio days). The concept on resistance days is to build lean body muscles, and lift weights, body weight, and use resistance bands, Etc., it’s much less intense, and I lift heavy. I suspect you took a cardio day, but only taking one class isn’t a very good way to gage, nor could minimally give you a good idea of the programming, trainers, nutrition programs, challenges, and overall F45 community.
Hey John, first of all thanks for commenting and I'm glad you've found something you can be consistent with! I took a "cardio" day, and a "resistance day". Anyone with a minimal background in exercise science can tell you that building lean mass in an aerobic or cardio setting, whatever you want to call it, is not optimal. Most CF gyms miss the mark on this as well. The F45 programming is largely dependent on the station set-up that they use in every class, so I didn't need more than 2 classes to get an understanding of that since the station set-up doesn't have a ton of flexibility. As I mentioned in the video, I'm sure there are coaches who are better, and some who are worse but the station set-up, throwing new people into class with no assessment etc, isn't what I would consider effective, safe coaching.
I would like to try F45 but the price is insane. $39 for 7 days? I mean really :-( I signed up for OTF will see how it goes
@@lukystarrk4life - that sounds cheaper than OTF. It's $199/month for the unlimited class membership.
I tried f45 for a month. I think they have too much going on. Too many exercises, too many stations and every day is setup different and you go in a different direction. Honestly it's a pain in the ass
You did a fantastic job with this video! I did CrossFit for five years and absolutely loved it. I was in my 30s at the time and as an ex-gymnast, I loved the gymnastics style focus. I lost all my baby weight (and then some) and competed a bit. CrossFit was pretty new at the time. But, all the overhead lifting and kipping pull ups did a number on my shoulders. I took a bunch of time off and recently started F45. I’m 47 now, so I’m a lot older and I’m more concerned about maintaining health and not getting injured. I’ve been at my F45 gym for over three years and love it. For me, the community has been about the same at both places. Both were fantastic. I’d say CrossFit has a definite edge on weight training and proper form. The box I went to was excellent at this, so I entered F45 knowing my stuff. Our F45 is very good at correcting form. Our coaches are probably much better on average than most gyms, so we are lucky. As with CrossFit, every F45 gym will be different. As an older woman, I feel like F45 is much less intense on my body, while still being competitive. I do miss the heavier lifting, but as a smaller human, I can always grab a heavier weight during my F45 workouts. I know what weights I can lift now, so the faster pace doesn’t bother me much anymore. P.S. we definitely don’t have scented towels! Haha! That’s crazy! We do have tampons in the bathrooms, which I appreciate and the heat/air conditioning actually works. My CrossFit gym was in a very old warehouse and the bars were always cold in the winter! 😂 I paid $150/mo at my CrossFit gym (15 years ago) and I pay the same at my F45 gym. I visited many CrossFit gyms while I was doing it and some were not great and downright dangerous. What I like about F45 is that even with poor coaching, I can still go in and get a great workout.
The trainers/course instructors at the Orangetheory I've attended for 2 months now has asked before every single class if anyone has any joint or muscle issues/injuries that they are concerned about to come see them as we start. Compared to other places I've tried in the past, this not only is impressive to me but seems like a standard all of their coaches are trained to members screen for.
All F45s are “mom and pop” owned as well, each franchisee owns their own location. And the coaches at the location I go to are AMAZING. They are right there on top of it if you are standing wrong or doing anything that might hurt you to help you correct your form and will even take time after classes to give you some tips and tricks.
Thanks for commenting and glad you've found a good location! As I've said to some other responders here, the business/training model itself is not set-up for a coach to really give in depth coaching, especially at F45 compared to OTF. When you have 2 to 3 people at 12 different stations, that's incredibly challenging for a coach to effectively give corrections. That being said, as long as it's working for you and you are consistent and feel safe, that's the most important thing. Thanks for adding to the conversation!
I’ve done all 3 and I prefer F46. CrossFit gives me results everytime but it also gives me injuries everytime. The results are not worth the injuries for me. OTF was intense for me and so it was not fun. I felt like I could not really go at my pace when I needed to. I felt too much pressure to push myself to be in the orange zone. It just wasn’t fun at all so u never wanted to work out. F45 is perfect foot new. I can push myself as hard or as little as I need to and still get a great workout. With a variety of workouts each time so it not boring
Thanks for your comment! I sorry that you had a negative experience with CrossFit. As I mentioned several times, there is a big lack of quality control in the CrossFit business model. I'm glad you found something that keeps you motivated :)
It may differ for different locations, but my local Orangetheory has a very active community with regular get togethers, they also have 70 lb dumbbells for heavier work. The music is loud and you can make plenty of noise and drop all the weights you want!
That's great! Glad you found something you're enjoying, thanks for sharing your experience.
I tried Planet Fitness once for the 24hr access. Sucked, they shame you for grunting 😆😆. A teammate of mine, former D1 soccer player goes to Orange Theory in SC, credits it with keeping him in game shape.
Very informative. Can’t wait for the chilled scented towels 🌸❄️
Thanks Lisa! They're coming....
I thoroughly enjoyed your review. I was a member of a Crossfit gym for over a year and loved the environment. New members were required to go through onboarding to learn techniques and proper form. They also did a thorough analysis of your health prior to starting and helped to set goals. They helped with every aspect in order for you to succeed including nutrition. The owners were very involved with the day to day and very encouraging on and off the floor. I recently moved jobs and just can't seem to make the hours work for my schedule so recently dropped my membership. I am going to an Orange Theory class tonight for the very first time so have been reading reviews and watching RUclips as well. I was going to try F45 but yes way to expensive and appreciate your information on the workouts you participated in. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe you mention at the start of this video that since you are a Crossfit owner that your opinions might be a little biased which I totally get. Just crazy all the comments regarding you being biased which you fully acknowledged at the beginning. I just appreciate the fact that you took the time away from your own gym to participate in workouts so that you could provide information to the average joe. THANK YOU!
I go to OTF and they ask you before every single class if you have any injuries to let them know. And if I struggle on the floor they help with modifications.
Hey LJS J, thank you for sharing your experience and I'm glad you've found something that you like for fitness. As I said in the video the most important thing is what inspires you and keeps you consistent. That being said, my biggest issue with OTF and F45 is that the business model (which many CFs use as well), of throwing people into class with no assessment, and 1 coach having to monitor up to 24 people doing up to 5 different things at the same time in different places in the room (with bad lighting nonetheless) is not what I would consider a recipe for effective coaching. I'm sure there are some coaches who are better and some are worse, but it's extremely difficult in the environment at both F45 and OTF. But again, if a business model that gives coaches more opportunities to coach is not something you're looking for, then that doesn't really matter. See you in health!
Definitely! OTF is life!!!!
I’ve been to 5-6 otf studios and that was my experience as well.
Same my otf asks every class. And if anything over explain form. Not sure how often they correct. I’d guess taking a week of classes at various locations would be more fair. But good video
Great Video! F45 coaches do have to have minimum a group training Certification, it differs in each country/state/province.
I would also like to say that it’s similar to CrossFit how it depends on the studio as I have been to studios with fantastic trainers and community but not great amenities. The trainers absolutely should have corrected your form.
Great video, completely agree with your assessment!
Thanks for watching! Appreciate the comment :)
I go to F45 and I love the community. It's taken some time to develop but the owner operates it like a small business and he's very involved with the members.
Thanks for sharing Frederick, I'm glad you've found something that you enjoy :)
I’ve done all 3. CrossFit is unfortunately based on my experience not very welcoming. The folks who were regulars isolated themselves. OT the class scheduling was insane. You have to book far in advanced. My biggest issue was knee issues do to treadmill work. F45 was great for me. Pricey sure but the coaches and staff are so much more welcoming. I got extremely motivated to come in and work hard.
Thanks for commenting! Sorry you had that experience at a CF gym, as I mentioned there is no quality control from CF to CF. Glad you found something that is working for you to stay committed, keep working hard!
Wow this is my exact experience
You must have been in a populated area as I rarely have to schedule OTF classes in advance. Most of the time I schedule day of.
There is a new corporate gym on the world market called body fit which is mixed between f45 - orange theroy. It's in Australia, NZ, Singapore, South Africa and about to open in the US.
I think that the combination of both is great if you can afford it!
Having done Crossfit and OTF for 2 years respectively, If you need to shed some fat start at OTF. You can only shed fat at Crossfit if you change your diet significanlty. If you already eat healthy, OTF will lean you out much faster. I leaned out at OTF more in 6months than 2 years of CF while maintaining the same diet.. I'm almost at my goal of having no belly fat. I estimate i will be there in 4 months from now. At that point, I will return to CF and focus on strenght.
Thanks for the comment! There's definitely some truth to your statement, but it really depends on what the programming is like at the CF box that you end up at (the lack of quality control across CF is a problem for sure). If your CF gym only prioritizes the anaerobic system (strength work and short fast workouts), then your statement is 100% true. Everyone needs more aerobic work, which is where OTF certainly excels.
F45 absolutely requires certification
Thanks Brian! Did some more digging and it appears that it's up to the studio owner what credentials it requires from it's coaches.
F45 requires trainers to be certified, and they also undergo F45 specific training before they can take classes. Each class has to have at least 1 certified trainer present. If there is more than 1 trainer, then the others can have a lesser qualification
Just to be clear. I'm a CF LV2 coach and have been coaching CrossFit for more then 6 years. So I'm sorta biased as well. At the moment I have only about 10-12 hours a week of CrossFit and I decided to try F45 as a coach. To get on board you need to attend about 6-8 classes as a client, go through some online tests and education and they also want me to do NASM certification on top of my CF credentials. So far I attended about two classes. Feedback I've got was good.
Thanks for chiming in Alex! When you say the feedback you got was good, are you talking about coaching cues you received while training?
@@BootCampUAustin I didn't pretend I was a begginer and didn't do anything wrong intentionally but obviously I couldn't know all the movements. And where I did something not good enough I got pretty sound coaching. Nothing to complain about. I'm not in the States though. I live in Hong Kong. However, I'm pretty sure not all F45 gyms are equally good even within Hong Kong. The same goes for CrossFit boxes as well. I saw plenty of shitty CrossFit coaching. BTW most of CF coaches are not certified. L1 and L2 courses aren't certifications. In order to get certified you have to pass the L3 exam.
@@alexchernyshev2748 awesome, glad you got good feedback. There are certainly a lot of shitty CF coaches. My main issue is just the business model at OTF and F45, there's too much going on at one time for a coach to really give someone quality coaching and attention. I take your point about the certification vs certificate, but I feel like that's more of discussion on semantics and which official body recognizes said certificate or certification... the more important point IMO is how much actual instruction a trainer receives.
i have been to over 100 orangetheory classes and the coaches have asked in every single one of those classes whether or not i have any injuries that they need to know about.
Thanks for commenting! That's great that you found an OTF that asks if people are injured. As a coach, that would still be extremely difficult to give modifications with 12+ people all doing different things at the same time. The business model just isn't set up for coaches to really do more than direct traffic and give encouragement. That being said I'm glad it's working for you, keep doing it!
@@BootCampUAustin Disagree. A better way to come to this conclusion would be to test it. Have multiple people address coaches with injury issues in a single session and see how it plays out. I often go with multiple friends to a few different OTs, each with different issues and they've never not been dealt with. I'm not trying to be divisive. I actually appreciate most of your insights. But you can't deny that there is a little bit of a sample size problem. Imagine judging Crossfit on its worst day. Anyways. I love your mind. I'd love to see an update to this video. Maybe spending a couple months on each program. Yes yes, time-consuming, I know. Just a thought.
@@jackgraham3 Hey Jack, I appreciate you watching, your comment and I'm glad you found a fitness regimen you can enjoy! I think part of this miscommunication is that there is a difference between someone saying "my back hurts" and a coach saying "ok do this instead" vs the coach being able to assess the tissue in question and give a modification that not only doesn't aggravate the injury further, but also works towards making the person better. You're right that a longer "sample size" would be better, but unless the business model changes with OTF coaches doing assessments on their clients, and not having 24 people in a room at the same time doing different things, that kind of care and attention, which is what I consider coaching to be (not just cheerleading and quick modifications) is simply impossible.
Nice video. Just to mention a possible spin off: some of us working people have hectic work schedules. Many would benefit from working out at home. It would be interesting to explore the possibility of having the workouts of different systems available via apps so that one could do own mix at home...
Orange theory: maybe 2 times a week and geared toward improving cardiovascular.
F45 one or two times a week, to have a rounded circuit
Crossfit: maybe 2 times a week, focusing on weaknesses and basic lifts and Olys.
To break monotony and to lighten up, in a mesocycle then one could substitute some of the above with 9 round type workout, or other martial arts session.
So it would be nice to have access to the workouts of different systems via app, for a much lower nominal price, so one could mix and match on their own at home.
Just an idea.
Thanks for commenting! Your idea is interesting, but would be limited by equipment. A big part of OTF for example is the treadmill and rower in basically every workout. Also, F45, OTF and CF are all just circuit training, but in CF with the addition of a dedicated strength component (IE 6 x 4 back squat, THEN conditioning circuit), so it would be difficult to say why one home workout is an F45 home workout, Vs a CF home workout. Hope that makes sense. out of all 3, CF has the most versatility to be done from home effectively. We've started doing live online classes with the Corona Virus, and I will probably continue that going forward. I'll post about it when I do. Stay safe and stay active!
do burpees strict form variations and buy a Dip/Pull up station with a heavy bag attachment and your good to go for a complete full body calisthenics workout, no need for no damn gym memberships, all you need is the discipline, desire and motivation each and everyday to succeed and meet your goal.
This is a late post but in my area trying to get a job at F45 and head coach requires at least 3 years personal training
I just went to F45 today for the first time, man those towels smells bomb
lololol! I know right!?!?!?!
F45 requires a minimum of a group fitness certification and completion of the F45 academy courses.
The f45 I go to never offered a towel service or fancy amenities! I think every one is different
I'm an F45 member at the moment and I don't know how long I will be. I like the workout a lot, but the price seems absurd. I can afford it, but I feel like I'm getting ripped off. Mine doesn't do the cool towels after, maybe if they did that I'd feel like my money was going somewhere 😅 I went to OTF for three years prior, but their policies were so absurd after COVID that I couldn't handle it.
I only have three months left of what I signed up for with F45. I might try crossfit after. This makes me think I might be able to find something I like more - or at least feel less stupid going to (because it makes me feel dumb to feel like I'm being overcharged for something).
I have never seen an f45 studio like that. And in terms of big corporate fitness, these are all independently owned and operated. While I appreciate the effort, this isn’t close to an impartial review.
F45 negatives are:
Little feedback on form (possibly more with reduced numbers in covid)
You probably have to have a basic understanding of moves before you join
Warmups and cool downs are a total joke.
Positives:
I love it.
I said that in the first few minutes of the video, of course it can't be because I am a CrossFit gym owner. If I thought F45 were better I would be doing that lol. Thanks for your comment though and I hope you stay consistent with what you're doing.
OrangeTheory ask that first time participants show up 15 min early to go over each station one-on-one with the coach. This is when you address any injuries. You can also express at any time that you need a modification. The coaches are really good at already showing you two methods for the same exercise
Thats' excellent that you had this experience! That was not my experience however. Additionally, as a coach, watching 3 separate groups of up to 8 people each, 24 total working out, I would find it very hard if not impossible to offer effective modifications for the group in the "weight room" in the limited time. The problem isn't the coach, it's the business model itself.
Orange theory has been good work out but the environment is terrible and aggressive with their front desks and management employees. Isn’t a great vibe especially when your there to work out and have a great time. I find myself having anxiety going into otf because of this taking away from the work out.
Thank you for your detailed video. I have been doing OTF for more than a year, BUT I only like my location and certain coaches. Tried some other locations, it isn’t the same. They don’t focus on the form and it does get boring. I feel like there’s no push, I want a change and be stronger and that isn’t the case. I mean cardio I got better (running and rowing). I am looking to start CrossFit and I’m looking to a couple of places, what do you think the right questions are when interviewing and looking?
Hey Nouf! Thanks for commenting and for your question! I actually wrote a whole blog post about this!
crossfitrep.com/best-crossfit-near-me/
I’ve done CrossFit, F45, and OTF. Although I stayed with CrossFit the longest, I recently had to switch to OTF due to the injuries I sustained doing CrossFit. 😔
F45 was good but 45 minutes of a workout is really not enough for me.
Sorry that happened to you Sheryn! What injuries?
I workout at home or the track mostly. Interested in a functional gym for sports performance and to alleviate the mental effort of workout planning. F45 sounds similar to our local ISI Elite. Between ISI (F45s illegitimate brother I'm assuming) and CF, which would you recommend for a competitive soccer player/ runner who favors injury prevention, functional strength, and speed?
Sorry I'm just seeing this and replying rather late! I would recommend a real strength and conditioning facility, or a good CF gym - worth noting: as I point out in the video several times there are serious quality control concerns with CF gyms so you'll need to do your research there, as you would have to with a S&C facility as well. I would not recommend F45 or OTF for what you're looking for. If you go the CF route, here's a blog post I wrote to help you identify a good gym near you crossfitrep.com/best-crossfit-near-me/
For the purpose of functional strength, agility and speed drills, most of them wouldn't make the cut. This is because you'll need a Strength & Conditioning specialist or coach which will tailor the programme to suit your goals. Saying that one style (e.g. Cf/ F45/ OFT) will help all athletes is just a blanket statement because then any simple strength and conditioning programme which you get off the internet will also help with that.
When we talk about the law of specificity (which is very specific to one's needs), we have to look at the sport one is doing, and customize a training programme to help the sport. For example in your case it would be soccer, and that would require a lot of foot work, sprint drills, agility cone drills, ladder drills, together with a strength programme which entails weighted squats (can be Safety Bar, Barbell squats, or any kind of weighted squat variation). On top of that, you'll need to address unilateral deficits which are huge in sports because of your dominant leg, so that will require unilateral exercises for your legs as well, including isolation based exercises.
To sum it up, community gyms are good for people who want to go there for the fun of it, and see general results. If you are looking for more specific results because you are goal-oriented and have a focus to improve your soccer performance, you have to find a coach/ trainer whom understands your sport well, and know what kind of exercises will complement your sport. Similarly, for someone who is looking to improve his/ her tennis/ golf performance, the exercise selection and training program will look entirely different from that of your sport, and hence a gym which does group training unfortunately will not be able to fit the bill for your case.
Disclaimer: This is not meant to put down any gyms or any trainers, but just meant to share more about what the fitness world needs to know and understand, especially with the wealth of information about exercise science and knowledge out there.
I loved CrossFit but it hated me! Injured myself twice so badly lifting weights over my head that it took 6 weeks to recuperate both times, and the weights didn’t even feel heavy. I watched videos to practice form and had the trainer watch my form as well and it happened again anyway. I gave up and now I’m fat, depressed, and scared to touch a barbell. And the owner at the CrossFit I went to only seemed to care about the younger people who could really lift.
Kimberly I'm so sorry that you had that experience. Did the coaches at your gym do any sort of physical assessment before you started training?
What’s always discouraging are the prices. I can somewhat understand a mom and pop CrossFit gym charging what they charge but when you have gyms operating at $10-$50 per month it’s hard to justify gyms asking $100-$300 more per month for not a lot more. You mentioned F45 coaches not really correcting your mistakes making it real hard to justify paying $100-$200 dollars more than a planet fitness to have a coach turn on a timer and tell you to go to the next station.
Unsurprisingly he found CrossFit’s “program” the best by a country mile. Why do CrossFit? If you want to get strong or have a great physique go to your local gym and lift. If you want to be good at running, go run.
If you want to be good at worm style pull ups or kettle bell exercises go do CrossFit.
Men - they don’t lift heavy at CrossFit but they do run around with weights and mess up their bodies. Look at the injury rate.
F45 and OTF will give you the cardio you want, burn a ton of calories and injury you a ton less often. Do that 4x a week and hit your local gym for resistance training. Lift heavy like a real man, be strong and kick butt.
Repeating movement patterns at OTF and F45, then doing those same patterns for resistance training at a local gym sounds like a great idea if you want to get overuse injuries, John. Also, way to admit that OTF and F45 aren't actually resistance training. Don't know where else to even start with all the other ignorance you just threw out. But thanks for commenting and boosting this in the RUclips algorhythmn.
I do like Crossfit and miss it, despite the injuries. I agree with the sense of community, nothing like Crossfit (OTF is a little cultish though).
Things probably changed a lot since then. I tried OTF and F45, and F45 has 2 instructors in each class while OTF has 1. OTF classes have about twice as many people than F45 in the locations I went, and I got A LOT more feedback from F45 probably due to lower members-instructor ratio. Also… my name is non-Western, and a few OTF instructors refused to call my name because it’s hard to pronounce 😂 I have chitchats with people in F45 but I never spoke a word in OTF because there are too many people there and the lighting is too dim to see anyone’s face well 😂😂😂 I mean… OTF really feels like workout factory lol
A good video...I guess you have competition from a couple of gyms locally and this was a good defense of what you do. I think if I was in your area I might come to you. Sadly having been to a number of crossfit boxes over the years they can also suffer from all of the ills and lack of support and community that you identify as a strength of your gym. You have come up with a really great list of things to look out for. If I apply them to my local expeience where I live i think F45 comes out better. But its not the only thing I do. In crossfit the input from coaches (in my experience) is fixed on those with the most experience...the community happens once your pretty fit and there is not always the support for newbies. Crossfit also incorporates some moves like the classic pullup styles that people attempt too early because of the bravado (I have encountered) in crossfit and the tales of injuries I think are undeniable in many gyms.
Hey Colin, thanks so much for commenting and watching! Very sorry that you had a bad experience with CrossFit. The message from CrossFit HQ is changing now, and putting the spotlight on regular people, focusing less on the hyper-competitive athletes and the sport side of CrossFit. I think that change is awesome, precisely because as you identified, there are plenty of CF gyms that focus too much on their more competitive members. This of course leads to "bravado", or whatever you want to call it, people wanting to do certain movements before they are ready and getting injured etc, as well as drama in the community of those gyms between the "competitive/fitter" members and the rest. The good news I think is that more and more CF gyms are realizing that. If you did want to give CF a shot again, I have a link in the video description for a blog post on what to look for when trying to find a good CF. If not, and you're totally happy with F45 then that's awesome, whatever keeps you happy, consistent and injury-free is the way to go. See you in health!
Very thorough and fair overview dude👍🏾. I’m brand new to your channel so introducing yourself regarding YOUR background And expertise would have been helpful. Otherwise keep spreading the good news about fitness 🤘🏽🤩💪🏽😉🔥🔥
Well done comparison! Thanks
Let's talk about which community is using gear aka PES. Don't forget to be transparent.
I am in Austin and go to a premium F45 and the price point you mentioned is inaccurate. I don’t think it is fair to comment on community when you only took two classes. Coaches do modifications on nutrition, weights, and overall fitness goal. You were only informative on CrossFit which it looks like is your expertise.
Hi Antonia, first of all thank you for watching and adding to the conversation. I'm glad you found a fitness solution that works for you! The purpose of this video is not to convince people doing F45 or OTF to do CrossFit, it is to inform people who are making a decision between which of the three they'd like to try. You've already made your decision, and fitness can be about as polarizing as diet, religion or politics. My expertise is strength & conditioning, and coaching. The reason I prefer CrossFit, is that CrossFit is a true strength and conditioning program (OTF and F45 are just conditioning, no one with a S&C background would dispute this), and we actually have time to coach people because of how the business model and workouts are set-up. That simply is not the case at OTF or F45, which again, is fine for some people (like you!). My comment on the community was based on the fact that the coaches never introduced anyone to each other, again probably due to the fact that there is very little time. If you are loving F45 and it works for you then that's awesome, keep doing it!
Awesome- thanks for the info!
Good video man. Curious what F45 claims as their training philosophy and what makes them “functional”. Also would love to see the knowledge of their training staff since many of the trainers I follow can’t seem to squat or do pushups correctly.
Linen service is like 20$ a month..but oh well.
Thank you for this video! Super helpful
Thanks Ben! Glad you you found it helpful, see you in health!!
Thank you
hi everybody , quick question can we open a crossfit gym with a room for f45 ?
Highly doubt it :P That would be awesome though!!
Mhhh... let me think... he wears a cross fit shirt and own a cross fit joint... mhhh, even when he say's it's a bit biased, me thinks it's very biased...
If you have any substantive comments to share I'd love to hear them :)
@@BootCampUAustin Is not my duty to do constructive criticism. Was only pointing the obvious. How sensitive... are all crossfities so sensitive?
@@dmzone64 you can throw out ad hominems all you like, it adds nothing to the discussion. Argue my main point: the business models at OTF and F45 are not set-up to do any in-depth (real) coaching
@@BootCampUAustin Thank you for the orders... bossy as any bully in 'roids land...
And you picked a bad guy to go latin with... Does the 'roid abused "mega" man mean "Ad Hominem"?
On the other hand, yes... I made my point if a bit rude for your 'roid sensibility.
The point is there is no point because you are extremely biased and only use the video as an excuse to promote your joint.
Quod erat demonstrandum...
Smart fella
Wish I can do CrossFit.
Sculpin you can! Anyone can!
Anyone can! A good gym will tailor everything to your level and have different options for different levels.
Crossfit owner thinks Crossfit is the best, shocked. Maybe take some of the bias out by working out at an anonymous Crossfit Gym.
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This is super biased and full of misinformation about everything except cross fit. Particularly rich are the countless comments about the business model being traffic control and high fives when CrossFit has been sued multiple times for their negligent fitbiz model/“coaching.” CrossFit people also just seem to have such bad attitudes - talk about off putting. no thanks.
Except it's literally their business model at OTF and F45. At OTF you have 24 people at 3 different stations (and the weight room station has multiple movements) to one coach. At F45 you have 24 people, at up to 12 different stations, with one, maybe two coaches if you're lucky. I'm simply stating facts. And I didn't even get into the exercise phys problems at OTF and F45, but thanks for your opinion.
just your typical condescending crossfitter who didn't do enough research and trying to act like crossfit is better than everything else. nothing to see here
How much more research should I have done? Research into what? The exercise science? I've done that. The business model at F45 and OTF? Don't need more than some first-hand experience to understand that. But thanks for commenting and boosting this in the RUclips algorhythmn.