Elliot Page's FTM Surgery + Plastic Surgeon Explains Facial Masculinization Surgery
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Elliot Page recently posted a shirtless selfie, indicating he had had FTM 'top' surgery. In this video, board-certified plastic surgeon, Dr. Motykie explains facial masculinization surgery and what goes into transitioning from female-to-male.
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A lot of people underestimate the power of HRT. Most people dont realize that your primary sex hormone (estrogen/testosterone) completely dictates how your metabolism works, which can completely change the fat composition of the body over a seemingly short period of time. From someone who has also undergone the "basic" masculinization medical transition myself, I'm glad that you presented completely factual and objective information. It really does help demystify the process of medically transitioning to non transgender people, which can potentially prevent a lot of awkwardness/bigotry which arises from being ignorant on a subject.
Thank you for this comment. I've pinned it 🙂
Other detrans of ftm pls listen.
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The body is very complex. Hormones affect a lot, but do they alter you at the level of your chromosomes? There is so much less that is understood about the body than is actually KNOWN. I'll grant that our collective and specialist understanding has grown by so much, but we're still deeply ignorant and have much to learn. Unfortunately for people who are the "experiments" of this age - but future generations will see where things went awry. Bottom line: One can pretend they are anything, I suppose. That still doesn't make it true. Isn't it best to live in the light of truth?
I didn't know that estrogen and testosterone how my metabolism works
Since menopause I have no sex appeal no sex drive and fat belly. Omg
When you say bigotry do you just mean disagreement? I find it offensive that people are basically whittling our genders down to hormones and surgery. Especially women. It's objectification at it's worst and understanding the process isn't going to change my mind on that. If people want to do that of course they are free to but that doesn't mean it people have to play along.
It’s a very tough thing for an actor to do because it takes inevitably affects ur career which is so dependent on image and identity. I wish him all the best in the future. I’m sure most people do
It won't affect his career because most actors in Hollywood are Trans
He just needs a decent hairstylist now.🙂🙃
so do you
Everyone had weird haircuts the first few times they started doing their own thing, give him time lol
Yes. The haircut could be much better.
That’s the easy bit. He has quite fine hair which gives him a lot of flexibility and choice in style
Great job explaining everything in depth while remaining respectful. I’m transgender and can only hope for top surgery one day.
I'm glad you liked it! Good luck with your journey 🙂
Wait a while , there's a high chance you will grow out of it when it's no longer trending.
@@broadkast477me when I have no idea what I'm talking about
Less than 1% of people regret top surgery (even among cis women, many hate their breasts and want to get rid of them anyway) and less than 1% of trans people de-transition, and only a small % of these detrans people "grow out of it". Most simply can't continue because of their threatening environment so they put their life on hold.
@kymbbm, You are incredibly misinformed about the reality of human existence. This current mental divergence that is being forced upon many low information types like yourself, and, moreover society at large, Is one of the reasons so many of this generation is lost and why their suicide rates remain astronomic. The sooner the asylums are open again to warehouse these dysphorics, the better for our world and our easily impressionable young.
I think because Elliot already had a very androgynous body which wasn't particularly 'feminine' (not big hips etc) that it must be much easier to transition because of this.
Your pigeon hole doesn't work for humans. Why do women need to be seen as buxom. This girl is ok. Her looks shouldn't matter. She wants to be seen as a male now I guess???
@@2010redshift of course women don’t need big hips or to be buxom, but men generally don’t have big hips so not having to change that part of him makes it easier to transition to a more masculine look, no? Isn’t that what he wanted to do?
It’s so sad she didn’t get psychological help before doing this
@@BK-wm1tg what makes you think they didn’t?
@@ArtByEmilyHare Because she went through with it
You appear to be a surgeon that really focuses on details; you just seem brilliant and so articulate and I can just sit back and put your vids on auto play and listen. Of course I usually fall asleep after about 40 min, but I'm not complaining.
Thank you for the great info you're sharing with the free world!
Love how respectful you always are!
I try to be! Thanks for watching.
Still a woman
@Thomas Just "hI, i'M tHOmAS aNd i'M GoInG tO gO aRoUnD tRoLlInG, lEaViNg tHe mOsT oVeR-uSed cOmMeNt oN eVeRy tRaNs vIdEo i cAn fInD. Fucking transphobes, can't think of something more compelling or thought provoking.
After seeing Lisa Whelchel this week, I'd be fascinated to know your take on how she's managed to look the same since the 1980s.
I love your videos so much Gary. So reasonable and well balanced and showing us what’s really going on.
Thank you for watching!
Over all, i think he had a good transition physically, BUT Id change his hairdo, a buzz cut would suit him much better
I think he looks a lot younger and so, so happy!
Looking back at his pre-transition photos, it is so clear he has this tension and deep sadness, to the point that I genuinely thought that was just how "she" was; it is so amazing to see him being so at peace with his own body, and tbh I think many people looking back can subconsciously see him in his previous, wrongly gendered body all along.
I cannot even begin to imagine how hard it is to transition, let alone do it with such a visible career as another gender, seeing your deadname everywhere, and have the world scrutinise your every body part, expression, clothing choice, posture and words, and I think that, while the term is over used these days, Elliott is a terrifically brave person--and now the world can see just how brave he is.
Those who transition and are FTM, from my experience of knowing friends, colleagues and loved ones who are trans and/or NB, often have it much harder than many who are MTF (all trans people are valid, don't get me wrong), which I believe is due not only to TERFs thinking "the gays have stolen our womens!" and similar rot, but because any "betrayal of womanhood"---i.e. "betrayal of MOTHERHOOD" is what they actually mean---is seen by society, still, at sometimes a very deep subconcious level but still the thought or sentiment is there, to see transitioning as the ultimate lowest transgression a AFAB person can commit, like it's some sort of misogynistic sin that a trans man "hates women" so much that they "turn themselves into men".
I think this is dangerous, toxic, cruel and just incorrect science-wise, and it always hurts me to know that people really do often still think this, deep down, and treat trans men as if they are "pretending to be men", that they're not "real men" deep down; it hurts to know that people think this deep down about people I care about! It is therefore my earnest hope that, because of people like Elliott, we can look to his example, and that it normalises this, because trans men are here, and they are valid, and they are real men.
You can try and have hate in your heart all you want, but you cannot look at those pictures of Elliott before he transitioned and came out and tell me that he looked happier, younger, or more at peace then, because that is a lie, and anyone who claims he is acting or not valid, or that he is "not a real man" needs to look inside themselves and ask why they think someone else that they don't know, who is sharing this deeply private & complex journey with the world, is hurting their feelings, and thus "shouldn't be allowed", as if their feelings and opinion is more important than Elliott's feelings and right to live his life however he wishes.
I feel we are privileged that Elliott is sharing his story as openly as he has, and it brings me so much happiness seeing that deep unhappiness he felt when made to play at being something & someone that he wasn't; that look of joy, and like he is finally released of his burdens is one of the most uplifting & wholesome things I've seen in a long time, and I wish many years of happiness and growth in the years and decades to come, and that his future is as bright as his eyes now are 🥺❤
That sadness is sexual abuse PTSD. Changing her body has not made her happy, I guarantee you that. Hormones and surgery don't cure psychological conditions.
Edit: I made this comment without verifying but was willing to bet on it....one quick Google search and yes she was sexually abused. Very sad, but wearing a man's costume won't take the pain away. And it doesn't guarantee she won't be assaulted again.
False peace!! John 14:27
@@victoriapopaz5303 😑😑😑 ok...... well......
Is *Luke 6:37* ringing any bells here? What about *Romans 14:10-13?* And *1st Corinthians 5:12-13?* What about one of my favourites, *James 4:11-12? Proverbs 11:9 & 12? Matthew 7:1-5?* I could go on...?
I list relevant scriptures that adequately explain my feelings on the scripture you referenced (as if this is some sort of unsolicited In-and-out Burger wrapper-esque, neat little addendum to my opinion that only the keenest viewers would venture to notice) and, considering you are someone quoting bible verses randomly under a random youtube comment, I'm actually quite at a loss? Well, I'm also a bit irritated and, frankly, whilst yes I'm also slightly offended at the self-assurance and authority that you must have felt in order to post such a thing, I am more than anything, truly just more puzzled about why you did this in the first place.
I mean, I'm inferring a lot from your comment but I see comments like this all the time, and it is my assumption that you might've written scripture verses as replies to more people than just me so, admittedly, I am merging people who do this sort of thing into a sort of mental monolith to more reasonably work through this.
Any yes, I well admit that I could of course be _totally wrong,_ but it really does appear to me that, insofar as I can see, that you replied like that because you feel somehow obliged to "correct" my comment in some way, and that you think by doing this you are doing a Good Thing.
As this "Doer of Good Things (via reminding people of GOD)", judging the words of someone you don't know in any way beyond a few paragraphs on a youtube video does seem a bit odd, especially since you see, to also simultaneously be exceedingly oblivious to the irrelevancy of your commented scripture to the point I had actually made?? I wasn't seeking the definition of "peace". Perhaps you assumed I'd never read the bible, and would look it up online and "find jesus". I really don't know. (I am also very aware I am also inferring a great many things from probably even less info than you had from my comment, as all I have is very short message, vague context, and the assumption you are an American because they are the only English-speaking country who will voluntarily bring up seemingly unrelated, random religious things in random, unreligious places-but I digress. I'm tired and writing this to keep procrastinating making dinner, mainly because my kitchen is exceedingly cold because it's in the middle of winter and I can't find my slippers, ergo you get a discussion you may never even see or care about, _dixi hoc ipsi.)_
Regardless of what intent you had, the way such a comment came across as leads me to suggest that, perhaps, you might benefit from taking a closer examination of how you understand the new commandment Christ taught during his ministry-that is to say, yes, the teachings of how one must love their neighbours, and always turn the other cheek when our enemies may hurt us, and how one must still show love, dignity and respect to those people you might despise for their perceived iniquity, as well as towards those that seem to you as if they live their lives in a way that is so very distant from what you might perceive as the moral ideal, both in righteousness and/or how they decide to live their own personhood-and I would invite you to assess if you treat these people the same as you would treat Christ if he appeared before you, or if he stood by you as you interacted with such people..... but even this alone is not sufficient to live properly, right?
This is an issue of what appears to be you not understanding why people think differently, so you correct others because.... you know better? You think they aren't living up to the morals you understand God wants? If this is how you truly behave, I don't think you are helping ANYone like or want to listen to your point, and especially not making anyone want to change, or to help us in otherway-this sort of thing is helping no one;-not me, not Elliott Page/trans people, not the youtuber who made the video, or yourself.
I found Proverbs chapters 3 &14 to be quite salient here; read 3:7, 13, 27-35 and then go to 14:3, 6, 9, and, specifically relevant here, 20-22 and 31-35. Poor in spirit, self confidence, love, support & trust are just as relevant as those who don't have enough money. What right have you or I to judge someone else's actions, when we can never know their struggles? And if they are "wicked" leave them be, as you have no more right to judge them than I do. Isaiah 55:8-9 can serve as a reminder if you forget the fact that you have better things to do with your time than making judgements upon others' lives and choices or, worse, seeking to bring others down because they live their lives differently to you.
So sure, you might be happy that you know of "God's peace". But telling someone else just how inferior their measure of peace or happiness might be is not anything I think you'd fine Christ doing.
@@sophroniel not bringing others down If anything I want people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of truth📖👈🏼
I’m throwing y’all a lifeline🎚👈🏼
Jesus is the way the truth and the life those who don’t follow Christ are lost!! (John 14:16)
Salvation is an invitation for whosoever will
John 3:16-18 .
God bless the hearers!!
Sad
Elliot Page is and was a successful actor even before his transition. These procedures you talk about in this video are probably within his means financially. Sadly not the case for many who desire to transition.
Financial success is no guarantee of surgical success.
@@j0nnyism agree!
Has he acted since he transitioned?
I love how you cover such topics as transitioning as well! very important and very educational!
I love watching your videos ❤️❤️ you're so respectful and knowledgeable it's a real pleasure listening to you!
I remember this actor in the movie Hard Candy. Now he looks like “Ellen’s” little brother.
I’m so happy you covered this! I remember asking if you could talk about this a couple months ago and now here you are with this!
Yeah but that hairstyle makes him look like he is 10 yrs. Old. Pics here he still looks very feminine in the face. The abs don't really look natural but sculpted. I knew some male models who did that and/or got implants for abs since they couldn't spend enough time in the gym or were getting older and it just took too much time to achieve. Does it help to remove the ovaries so the hormones can be balanced more accurately?
I love watching your videos! They’re super informative and entertaining ☺️ please do a video on the Simi & Haze twins and Fai Khadra, I’d love to know your thoughts on what they’ve had done!!
Dr. Motykie you have fabulous hair! A gift from the Universe.
Your videos are always so interesting and very appreciated!
Also love the often humorous questions at the end too! :)
Lol! He keeps me on my toes.
I've been out for many years but due to lack of support from my surroundings (and severe social anxiety) I am still waiting on my physical transition. I do have the official diagnosis since not too long ago and am hoping to start hrt this year. wish me luck!
Best of luck to you!
Wishing you luck, and much happiness
Sorry, but you’ve been brainwashed. Learn to be happy with what sex you were born with, because that’s who you are and NOTHING WILL CHANGE THAT.
don't do it
@@kathleencastle8631 and why is that?
Dr Motykie I just wanna say I enjoy your videos and just learned that we both studied at the same schools which made me very happy! 😃👏🏻🤗
I never noticed the difference in areola placement between men and women until you pointed it out. Interesting.
yeaaah. females kinda get shat on by nature by having dinner plate sized nips lmaooaoao
Was kinda worried about watching this video but it was done very tastefully....
I love your videos Thank you for not having that ego or god complex most plastic surgeons have
Thank you for watching!
Riiiight… many surgeons have that… very annoying…
I think E Page appears to have undergone rather significant early male pattern hair loss which can be tough on a younger person. Also I think there's a visual disjuncture between the sculpted abs and the lack of any arm/leg development although perhaps that could be rectified with some gym work.
As a general point, the female pelvis and the female elbow carrying angle are both quite different to the corresponding male skeletal structures and no hormonal or surgical interventions are applicable in these areas (or indeed most of the rest of the skeleton - apart from the Adam's apple and very specific parts of the skull) for people wishing to undergo a full physical gender transformation.
Photos and videos posted on line by people publicising their transgender surgeries generally tend to be carefully shot (lighting, clothing, body positioning/movement, camera angle and even image resolution) so as to attempt to reduce or alter the visual emphasis on those parts of the body.
Good point.
That might explain the odd hairdo.
Art and science at it's best , great video and explanation 👍
Where in the US is this dr from?
His pronouncing of “hair” sounds strange 🤔
Lol, I'm from Chicago 😏
Weird question but do you ever do this procedure as a reversal of FFS? If someone gets, facial feminisation surgery and regrets it or detransitions after getting FFS? I image this would be a rare scenario, but have you ever encountered this type of thing?
wish this guy was comfortable saying he/him instead of going to lengths to avoid having to use peoples pronouns
Another great video! Loved the Q&A at the end.
He’s definitely had some sort of ab sculpting or something.I always thought women’s abdomen muscles were longer to assist in child birth?
Elliot can afford a hormone implant. Which I think all ftm persons should do.
MTF persons should do pill form.
there is not such a thing as an implant but hit is a personal decision that doesn't not make someone more trans
Do you think people should have the right to sue doctors for the harm these surgeries cause. Do you think there should be a statute of limitations, if so, how long? Also should children harmed by these procedures including medication be able to sue their parents and medical professionals who helped them down this path if they realize it was a mistake? Are you willing to be held accountable for your work?
How expensive are those? I’m so scared I’ll never be able to do facial masculinization cuz I’m not rich & won’t ever be :(
Fortunately we live in the era of E-boys, Men with more feminine looking male faces are getting more and more common so you would pass with a masculine body but if it is for more personal reasons then just how you are seen then you can hope for the posibility of cheaper partial facial masculinization in the future (Like just getting your chin enhanced)
*But if you are looking for an actually maybe useful idea:*
Testosterone can also make facial hair grow so you can get a beard that would make your face appear more masculine like a goatee that you can grow into a ducktail which makes the face seem more masculine
I don't know anything about transitioning to male since I am cis but on sites like reddit you can ask other trans men how to get a more masculine face without surgery and there is a good chance they have some tips to make you seem more masculine
Well done explaining. Never even heard of him
I know him from X-men and Inception tbqh
Trailer Park Boys
Really good in “Inception”, “Juno” & “X-men-Days of Future Past” & Hard Candy”.
You are seriously THE coolest plastic surgeon evahhhh! I want to get ANY surgery from you🥰
I remember a film he done long ago he was female and played a male to play on a football team, crazy how his life has turned out good luck to him x
He kinda looks like Freddie highmore when he was younger
"Appearance" "Appearance" "Appearance. I can't help but wonder: What would people have thought about themselves if there were no mirrors and no way to know what we appear like to others. I'm just wondering how deep this stuff really goes, you know?
ppl could still see themselves in water n stuff so idk what u mean .. being transgender has more to do w self than aesthetics if that’s wym. before his surgeries, he was still transgender or questioning. having the outside match the inside is helpful for avoiding weirdos who will try to fight n argue w you on who you reaallly are + it saves from a lot of mental anguish/self pity
@@el-topo Somewhere along the line, somewhere in childhood, she began to associate herself with male energy and tap into it and in this modern age there are so many voices encouraging that process to go from fantasy to self-identification. There is more to being a man than surgeries to affect the appearance of a penis, or any other aspect of the male appearance. At the deepest chromosomal level, a man is a biological man, and a woman is a biological woman. Anything else is fantasy on steroids. One cannot "transfer" over to being another sex. It's simply not possible, so why give people the false idea that it is? Better to face reality and love the body you've been given. Your body is not a disease or an accident. Cherish it as it is. And make the best of it. None of us are 100% happy with our bodies, at least, most of us wish we had something else going on with it. Part of growing up is accepting reality and making the best of things. All of those drugs and all of that surgery is simply not good for one's health. And it doesn't alter reality. It only lends creedence to the self-perception that one is what one wants to be, the way a costume aids an actor. It's still only a performance, it's not the truth. And no one can control what another person thinks of it, either, so accept yourself, including your body, and live in the light of truth.
@@el-topo I don't think the statistics support the idea that it "saves a lot of mental anguish/self pity". It's very hard for one, to "pass" as another sex. There are so many differences between biologically male and biologically female bodies. The only thing that can be "trans' is the appearance because the reality doesn't actually change. There is nothing one can remove or put on or take internally that will actually make one the other sex one is born as. That is the basic reality. Secondly, having the "inner" match the "outer" refers to the fantasy alone, because one cannot be the other sex "on the inside". It's not real. It's the fantasy of what one thinks it must be like. And that is arrived at through observation and imitation only, not through actual experience. A woman will never know what it IS to BE a man. She will know what men SEEM to be and that will inform her perspective. Likewise, for a man to KNOW what it is to be a woman is also only the impression. For some "the impression" may be enough, but I doubt it. As human being who have souls, we can only be satisfied with truth and reality. The illusion disappoints, it always has and it always will. Please, face the truth and love the body you were born with.
If we all lived in some sort of digital world with no access to our biological bodies and no one knew there biological sex then I would think a lot more people would be trans since no one would grow up with the assumption that they are a man or woman
Maybe nonbinary would actually become a common gender because everyone has masculine and feminine mental stuff so people would just be like "Y'know what, who cares? What does it matter when we never use our physical bodies!"
No one would have any way of knowing if they were or others were cis or trans since they have no access to there bodies, people would just fall into the gender they are more comfortable with which would probably be cis most of the time but there would likely be a lot more trans people who don't even know they are trans
Although I don't think many people would want to live in a digital world that is just how I think it'd be like
Other trans men develop a beard (at least mustache and chin). Elliot doesn't yet. But he's obviously on testosterone. Seems to be kinda uncommon? I'm seriously curious why is that
He looks like a boy band member now. They are cute as both genders :-D
The haircut is definitely very 90s!
@@ArtByEmilyHare If he were in NKOTB, he'd be Joey. You know the young and cute one that still has some filling out to do.
@@TheMagdalenaBB yes!
It’s unbelievable how this is possible nowadays. Amazing
I’m sorry ,but I still think he looks feminine.
So basically hormones can make a face more manly,but if you want the opposite you got to go under the knife, does that mean for someone whom wants to appear more feminim working out will actually be a hinderence?
Im not trans but i want a more feminim face.
I have been reading a little article about runners-face and it said the opposite of runners face is true and running actually makes your face look more feminine so I would guess that works with other forms of work-out
Hi Gary,
Could a larger nose be built up using fillers?
Since little but grew up 30 years feminine ye ight
This person looks exactly the same as they did before. Just got a haircut.
Well, it's been a year since he announced he was transition, so you shouldn't expect him to look completely different.
He has definietly changed physically, i mean look at his topless body. Trans people are still the same person you know? Of course they aren't going to look completely different, he's the same but male.
great. another youtube channel im addicted to and cant stop watching.
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@@GaryMotykie Thanks for the shout-out Dr. Gary. Very interesting video. Thank you for sharing.
Why didn’t mention the clear ab implants ?they don’t match the rest of his body he has no muscle tone anywhere else.
Tbf abs are cool because you have to work hard to get them so that is something that I would hide too if I had them, It kinda ruins the purpose of abs but I get why he would get implants (To make his body more masculine looking)
I think he looks the same, his face looks fatter but not surgically worked on... Just my opinion...
I honestly don't see much difference.
Looks the same to me minus breasts and long hair.
it could not be easy for a biological female to lose so much body fat. Does the hormone treatment help that?
Elliot already had a low body fat percentage though from what I’ve seen testosterone won’t lessen it, it’ll just redistribute the fat. Many transgender men will have wide hips their whole life but after a couple years on testosterone the fat will redistribute to the abdomen, making their appearance more masculine.
@@drakebell5649 interesting.. that must be a wild ride
@@tacosmargs58 yeah, going through major hormone changes is usually really wild the first couple of months. Usually things even out after 6-ish months though it’s still a long process.
@Jaycee Some people have a high metabolism, which is most likely the case with him. Transitioning is not a form of self harm and has no evidence to back up that claim. You are just an ignorant person who doesn’t want to even try to understand why others are different.
Testosterone has a HUGE effect on how drastically different one can become once estrogen is blocked especially.
Talk about career suicide. There just aren’t a plethora of roles for extremely petite guys in their 30’s.
Im happy for him. Goodluck for your new gender. Do whatever it makes you happy.
The most dangerous thinking,what people do as individual affects the whole society at large.I think this believe got the society to the lowest point even not to be able to define what a women is?
Excellent video!
Thanks for watching!
Excellent video. I personally think the after photo of what can be done for a masculine nose makes him look fantastic, follow that with the adam's apple implant and I think he will look perfect!
Agreed.
2:20 it seems like EP had jawline enhancements
Is anyone saying about the side effects of having so many manipulations with the body?
Of course not. Too much invested in this madness.
There’s not too many, and there’s side effects with every surgery and medication. I’ve fully medically transitioned and never had any problems
@@choccymilkconnoisseur2775 GRA surgery (bottom) has one of the highest rates of complication of all surgeries. Puberty blockers are known to cause lots of problems as are cross sex hormones. These are just the facts. When you consider that these are all non necessary its even more disgusting that Dr's are violating their oaths.
The beginning part is so funny 😂
Lol 😂😂😂
This is disgusting. Why is society normalizing this insane behavior
why are republicans normalizing hatred?
I have a problem with having completely healthy body parts being chopped off and/or other body parts being grafted on. Reminds me of Dr. Frankenstein.
Ok, No one cares if you have a problem with someone elses body choices :)
your consistency in using his correct pronouns has encouraged me to subscribe. it’s the lil things lol
Is there a surgery to shave down your browbone a bit?I am not trans but I wonder if I could make my eye lids more visible.
Yes! I think you'll be very satisfied if you look for "facial feminization" on youtube or simply key words such "browbone shave" etc, or "surgery for more visible eyelids"
happy for him! just want to add a nuance, which is that you dont need to do top or bottom surgery to be a man, you can fully have transitioned, without having done these things.
(also really appreciated how you used correct pronoun during the video)
Not having the alignment surgery, means you have not fully transitioned, you are identifying and calling yourself the other sex, but have not aligned physically.
@@barbaraconnolly9000 Not all trans people want bottom surgery or any surgery at all. ‘fully’ transitioning looks different for everyone. and there’s no such thing as ‘alignment surgery’ maybe research a little bit more next time.
@@barbaraconnolly9000 I would suggest reading more on trans experience (from sources who are in the trans community).
@@salvador8923 Love the way you formulated your explanation, so clear!💙
@@noname-vz5wx appreciate it!
It must be a lot harder to become female to male
It’s actually a lot easier from what I’ve studied, the bottom surgery is what’s harder.
It’s actually way easier than male to female
@@choccymilkconnoisseur2775 how so. A woman can’t grow a penis and become 6ft tall
It really depends from person to person, physical transition is harder for any gender if they look more strongly as their natal sex. Though there is a unique aspect that trans men have to face, they can wear all male clothes, act masculine in everyday life, etc yet still be seen as full on cis woman. But with trans women, they also may not be seen as their true gender, but they are much more likley to be recognised as actually trying to express their true gender.
Basically, when trans people don't pass as their true gender, trans women are seen as trans, whereas trans men as seen as masculine cis girls
His face become EXTREMELY angular and boxy i gotta check the before and after
Off topic but has anyone said that you look a lot like Robert Patrick? (ie: the T-1000 from Terminator 2)
I wonder if there is a procedure to make your eyes look more masculine, he has very soft eyes, i saw a F2M the other day in the supermarket and the soif female shaped eyes were the only thing that gave it away.
no, it’s just the hormones i think in his case. females/ppl w more estrogen in them just have less fat around their eyes vs their cheeks so it just kinda makes them look bug/doe eyed while males/ppl w more testosterone in em have more fat around eyes/it’s all more evenly distributed rather than just being in the cheeks etc
Face it, Ellen didnt look like a female at all to begin with.
Are you serious!! She was gorgeous!! Petite body,feminine face shape,,feminine nose,Pales skin,tiny full lips!!! She doesn't look like a man at all now!! So be quiet and stop spreading corruption amongst the new generation!!
You're Jealous SHE ALWAYS WAS FEMININE
I wish someone would explain to me about the trans thing. So if a girl changes to a guy does the new guy want to be with a woman?? Does katelynn want guys or girls? I'm so confused...
Being transgender simply means that your gender identity is different from your sex
Gender and sexuality are two completely different things.
Hi, that's okay that you are confused. Gender and sexuality are seperate. I'm sure you know about lesbians, gay men and bisexual people right? Transgender people can like any gender, just as non transgender people can.
There is this view that transgender people are only straight, becuase that's what media usually only shows, e.g. you mostly only see trans women (Male to Female) with men. But in real life there are plenty of trans women who like women or both, and plenty of trans men (Female to Male) who like men or both.
Who a transgender person likes after transition depends on who they liked before. If someone born male likes women, they will still like women after transitioning to female. If they liked men before, they still will after. I hope this helps
"Subtle" has a silent B.
Wouldn’t the surgeries for beard and Adam’s apple be redundant? Surely the testosterone will take care of that?
No, hormones won't make someone genetically female grow an adams apple. Just like hormones wouldn't make someone's who's transitioning the opposite way disappear. The surgery would be necessary.
@@9melissal Born female, and been taking testosterone for 2 and a half years. I have a very visible Adam's Apple now, which I didn't have before. Everybody has an Adam's Apple to begin with, male or female, but the deeper your voice gets with the introduction of testosterone, the more visible it tends to be.
It depends on genetics, if you're a trans male, taking testosterone and have trouble growing a beard, then you would have the same trouble if you were born male. Not all people born male have full beards and prominent adam's apples, same goes for trans men. I for one have a great beard, but a very un-prominent adam's apple. My cisgender brother is the opposite to me for that, can't beard but got that big apple
@@alexnunez-sindelar7494 I have a huge Adams Apple but a soft high voice 😂😂
Secondary sex characteristics such as beard and Adam's apple are a bit of a lottery. For example, East Asians like me (I'm Cantonese by the way, so we're from the humid south) have a fair bit of trouble growing a full beard and this is probably a product of the climate where we come from. None of the men on both sides of my family, for example, are able to grow a full beard even if they tried. For white folks in general my understanding is that it really is a genetic lottery for even cis folks.
Whattttttt has this world come to!!!!? Unbelievable
Social media director was partying too hard in West Hollywood, he neglected to do his job by getting a poll for social media and posting it in the video, now you're asking half-assed questions from your head. Too lazy for an easy job.
Elliot still looks like an androgynous lesbian.
Love the way you were born.
I dread to think how much money all these surgeries and hormones cost.
@dreamwrldgirl it's a horrifying thought that all that money is being used just for that
depending of were your are and if you have insurance how accesible but testosterone should be accessible dont loose hope
@@arilarz5679 the only loss is that it's so much money wasted
@@rockys201 to save and improve someone’s life? Stfu
@@rockys201 It's not your money, why do you care lol
He was gorgeous as a woman. I thought Ellen was stunning.
That roller derby movie and inception was my favorite
Reminds me of Billy Crudup
Ugh
The family must have been devastated. A successful beautiful daughter gone forever.
An ignorant and thoughtless comment. His family still has a beautiful child, which they've always had. A caring, informed, and enlightened family would be happy that Elliot is finally happy and at ease with himself.
You’re projecting…🙄
If someone cosmetically changes their face/body to appear as the opposite sex, then in ten years feels like no now I want to change back to the original sex and need more cosmetic surgeries, at what point would a Dr say no? How many times can a person go back and forth assuming money is not an issue?
When do you imagine this would ever realistically happen?
@@jazwhoaskedforthis people do detransition
@@ellcally508 I know, but how many go back and forth as many times as this question is suggesting? And what business is it of mine to determine they can’t do it? People out here with beach ball tiddies and crazy synthol injections instead of muscles, but we’re going to make an exaggerated case for transitioning to further stigmatize trans people for a thing they’re not even doing (repeatedly transitioning and detransitioning) for some reason? Why don’t we just let people make their choices and worry more about the cis people that regularly murder their trans partners because they’re afraid to be seen with them
@@ellcally508 it’s extremely rare, and a lot of factors are considered. For example, in that small number who do detransition, majority only did so due to societal or family pressure, and not feeling safe. Statistically want no one likes to discuss is that majority of those who detransition out of pure pressure have great regret and depression so may need to transition again at a later time.
@@nerdfantasyxox De-transitioning is more common than it seems you'd like to acknowledge... and those numbers are increasing as more people suffer from the hormones, other meds, and botched surgeries. But this seems to be a "dirty little secret" that the trans community doesn't like discussing.
It looks like Page couldn't afford a mans face and had to settle for angry 12 year old boy.
You know many guys who looked like men after a year or two of puberty? It takes time.
OMG, I love him more.....
E needs to work on their arms and get better haircut
Creepy to me .. .but what do I know ?
what's creepy to you...just trans people existing?
nothing, you know nothing lol
@@salvador8923 exactly
"Elliot" reminds me of those girls who play male characters in school plays by simply wearing a fake moustache. That's all the "masculinization" I can see.
well he can’t rlly help it? it’s almost like he’s been juiced up on estrogen well into adulthood. way to go. go ahead and kick a cripple for being born the way they were on your way out
Maybe I'm the only one but I've always thought of Ellen page as a male. Maybe it's just naturally her or the roles she played but I always wondered if that would turn into something else for her. Juno is one of my favorite movies starring her and that's kinda when I noticed she was not into feminity.
She that believes she is a he. Very sad mental situation.
Have you look at the mirror? Making sad comments in youtube is also a sad mental situation
Was it necessary to say “his new chest ‘without breasts?’” Geez. Like, respect man. As a Dr. you should be aware of that.
She still looks like a creepy little woman.
Sadly many folks are imitating her and then detransitioning
Bruh if you really think that people are "imitating" him rather then already being trans then you are clearly too far gone
Still don't get it.
The surgeon is just explaing surgeries that you can get to masculinise a person. These can be apllied to anyone, transgender or not
Great video!
I wasn’t surprised by his announcement. Elliot seemed uncomfortable in Ellen’s skin, so to speak.
I know THAT many ppl say this
I SHALL JOIN THOSE/THESE
RANKS!!!
Adore HOW Respectfully u did
Show this about
Mr/Mrs/Ms/He/She/They etc
Page!!
I think he was always a man
LOL STOP LYING😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 SHE WAS ALWAYS SOFT,TINY,FEMININE
Ellen was so embarrassed to support juicy smuliet she had to change into Elliot