Why Upgrade Your Brakes | Power Brake Upgrade on 2021 Tacoma | X Overland Shop Talk #11
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2024
- What is one of the most overlooked yet extremely important parts of an overlanding vehicle build when it comes to safety and performance? The brakes. Find out exactly why and what a braking system upgrade looks like when we install a set of Dakar-proven Power Brakes in our Tacoma, Atigun. Shop wisdom from our mechanical magician, Tanner, and a hard-stop brake test performed by the young bloods of the X Overland team are all a part of this episode of Shop Talk! #tacomabuild #shoptalk #xoverland
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I don’t know where you guys are going on your next expeditions but I am SO excited. These short vids in between big series are really great.
When I bought my 2003 tahoe, the first mod I did was brakes. Went with PowerStop. Haven't had an issue yet, 15k miles later and the pads are still nice and fast despite mud, sand, rock crawling, and thousands of stops ams gos in traffic. The calipers had recently been replaced when I got the truck so I didn't order those, but will order those and longer brake lines when I get my next set.
Just bought a front set, no calipers hopefully will be good for truck thanks for the video
You guys are inspiring me to go overlanding and will be looking for a mew ride to do it in soon!
Good luck out there!
Just found this channel recently. Love the content. My only issues is waiting for the next video! Haha - keep up the great work.
Thank you!
Haha. Welcome to the club.
So weird i wasn’t subscribed. I really feel like i was but anyway i am now, great videos and cant wait to see you guys in the new rigs
Hey guys i Love your videos! I live in Idaho Falls and my wife is from Billings, so we drive through Bozeman a lot. Is the X Hanger “visitable”?
Secondly, do you ever get nervous putting these higher end parts on a world traveling rig? Does it make you nervous to have a catastrophic failure of an upgraded part in a country that has no support for those parts?
Keep it up guys!
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Gotta ask, what driveshaft u-joints are you running? With that much weight, I'm curious if you've upgraded them.
if it can go, it needs to whoa.
Can you stop showing all these toys & all the accessories that goes with these things!!!! I’m going broke here!!!😝
Epic content mate!!! Cheers from Australia 🇦🇺
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Quick question do they remove the dust shield on your Tacoma? If so, do they have any issues especially fitting on the caliper because the instruction says not to remove instead trim it all the way to the hub?
Is XO doing any LC200 work during build season? Would love to see more Land Cruiser content this year
Amen, brother. Did you see one at 7:35?
0:50 Pay attention to your Remove Before Flight tags!
Bedding brakes is basically the opposite of what you said. You want to get the brakes hot to bed them, I'm not familiar with PB make they have a different SOP for bedding?
you're right, even with PBs
Exactly.
Everyone should know that putting bigger brakes won’t make your car stop any faster. If you can brake hard enough to lock up your tires or have the abs kick in, bigger brakes won’t do any better. Bigger brakes are usually for being able to break over and over again and not get fade.
Now bigger brakes will help if you are heavy and loaded. But I bet most peoples factory brakes are good enough.
You absolutely stop faster, but more importantly you stop in less distance. (Time vs distance) And you can do it over and over again before you get to brake fade. And EVERYONE can benefit from better brakes. Both the driver and the pedestrian or other driver. Even the deer and squirrels benefit.
@@rattlecanpaint we’ll how can the truck stop any faster if you already locking up your brakes, or you are activating the abs? It will be the same with big brakes or stock brakes. You are on the limit of your tires. The tires can’t stop any faster no matter what brakes you have. If you want to stop faster, you will have to get sticker tires.
One guy that mostly gets it. TBH I almost didn't watch this video because most "overlanders" or people with expedition rigs don't know much about all the engineering that goes into developing proper brakes. That's not to knock on the XO team, I just don't think this is where their experience lie. They said exactly what I expected.
If a company only designs a front brake kit, it is designed to do one thing, delay or even prevent heat soak all together, for consistent braking. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this. In motorsports it makes a huge difference after a couple laps on the track. On expedition rigs it will make a huge difference on those mountain passes where you may need to use brakes more often. You might get less flex from a larger more rigid caliper but this is a rather small-moderate, and secondary benefit. What happens when, as the video states, increased braking power by 2x... Well increasing the front brake rotor torque by 2x just fucked up your brake bias, and poor brake bias is one of the main reasons tires lock up. Because the limits of your tires can't handle the force of the brakes on that axle trying to stop the weight of the vehicle. This is greatly affected by tire load. A front big brake kit will NOT stop you significantly shorter in like for like situations.
Dynamic weight distribution under braking, most noticeable in emergency stops, means weight can unload on one axle, reducing contact pressure on the tires to the ground, therefore losing grip... Too often people think that when they "lock up the tires" they're getting significant improvement in brake performance, when in reality it's is very much the opposite. How do you stop when your tires break traction? Best brake performance comes right at the limit of tire's traction at ALL corners. To achieve this you need to engineer a front AND rear brake kit taking into account a vehicle's weight, center of gravity, static weight distribution, and dynamic weight distribution under various levels of braking.
ruclips.net/video/Yv31dQ1RYHk/видео.html here's a real world test of a big brake kit. Not the particular kit in this video but a different brand. He averages 4 runs from 60 mph. 174 feet average on stock brakes vs 141 feet with the big brake kit. The average vehicle in America is between 12 and 17 feet long. That's 2 car lengths sooner stopping distance. In a panic situation that's the difference between hitting that car you're following too closely while reading your mad magazine working on your laptop and texting your girlfriend pics of last night's dinner and not. Or the difference in hitting that moose that ran out in front of you and not. (You DO NOT want to hit a moose.) The thing with the bigger brakes is that you get to that point of maximum adhesion on the tires sooner (milliseconds sooner but that's the difference.) At 60 mph you are traveling 88 feet per second. So the kit in the above video gets to maximum adhesion a little less than a half a second faster. (Not counting all the other physics and calculations with additional speed that had been scrubbed initially and all that jazz.) It truly only takes 1 emergency stop with a big brake kit to pay for itself.
HAHA oops that opening
What do you guys do with the replaced parts? Do you sell, donate, repurpose?
We generally hang on to them as spares!
The only downside for a kit like these before international travel would be the potential difficulty in easily replacing components…I’m guessing you’d have a much easier time finding stock Toyota parts than a boutique racing application, right?
Yes, but that goes to any modification, there's always a compromise.
@@vanisshen4467 …which is why most dedicated overland tourers tend to keep the vehicles as stock as possible. Or carry spares. Not overload their vehicles to they point they’re way over their GVWRs.
@@TradesmanOutdoorAdventures Precisely. Currently planning a trip to South America, and replacement of consumables is part of the play.
The pads are an off the shelf part so can be purchased from any parts warehouse. This was done for precisely your point. The company is South African so you can get the pads literaly anywhere in the world. Which is believe it or not easier to get than Tacoma parts, being that the rest of the world (minus the US and Canada) doesn't get the Tacoma. Other than that, how often does a caliper sieze up? Rotors can be turned anywhere. The upgrade in stopping power this kit provides is worth every penny. You can have all the go you want but if you don't have stop, well then the last stop is a doozy. Brake upgrades are absolutely the best money you can spend. All it takes is one emergency stop where you stopped 12 feet shorter and didn't hit that musk ox, or other car, or person, and any headache getting parts or extra cost become worth it.
@@rattlecanpaint "Off the shelf part", so the pads used on this mod are Toyota factory pads?
Cool beans. Whose BA Land Cruiser is at 7:35? 🔥
Hmmm I wonder🤔
I would put these on too…if I got them for free like they do.
You record these for an overland built tacoma? TRD OR
I need something like this for my 4Runner. The brakes lack that initial solid bite and have an undesirable amount of pedal travel from the factory.
I would suggest a more aggressive brake pad. You’ll have more brake dust and they will wear faster, but aftermarket performance pads are an intermediate/cheaper option before upgrading to a full big brake kit.
If you have a spare $3200 laying around, then you too can have a set of these brakes.
Price in the US is $2500 for the 4-Runner and Tacoma
Me too. I have a 3" Icon lift, which seemed to help a bit, buy would love a full upgrade too
Especially while towing a trailer.
Would these brakes clear 16” wheels? I tend to run smaller rims size if possible
From what I’ve heard . No
You would need to upgrade to a 17” wheel
They do not fit with 16 inch wheels. I believe you have to get either a wheel spacer or an aftermarket wheel with a bit more offset as well. Or use a 4runner wheel. (14mm more offset)
They do fit under any 17” wheel on Tacoma’s and 4-Runners
I would love to see a shop talk on modifications done to improve or maintain fuel economy with all the Added weight on the trucks.
Easy. Dont add weight and keep your tires small. That is optimum MPG
@@christianmarthiens2815 That wasn’t the question. Question was with all that they do “including” the added weight and larger tires do they do anything to mitigate fuel, especially on longest travels where fuel is a concern, I know they do a long range fuel tank. But thanks for the input.
I'm not sure that there is any device that helps Toyota Tacomas and Tundras get better mileage. I'm a Toyota fan through and through, but their fuel mileage is a travesty. I'm convinced that the government required toyota to make them get shitty mileage so they wouldn't totally put the domestics out of business.
I'd love to put a set on my F350 Tremor. Can they send me a free set too? I'll put a PowerBrake bumper sticker on the Tremor and a smaller one that states "Includes paid promotion".
Got a discount for us? :P
Rear brakes???
I talked to the guy that owns Power Brake. He said they put a set of disks on a couple of Tacomas with this system and the extra rear breaking power made the rear end slide out. (Think using the coaster brake on your BMX bike as a kid). They said it was safer to leave the rear stock.
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My truck could use bigger brakes even without doing all the modifications you guys do
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Old farts: “10” diameter drums worked just fine for 75 years and allow me to run 13” rims!”
Sadly the Tacoma’s still, in this Gen 3, come with drum brakes..........
I would love to see a shop talk on modifications done to improve or maintain fuel economy with all the Added weight on the trucks.