Cris Garcia 6 Yes. You can download and try the 30-day demo from the VSL website. Many composers have Macs as host computers (or PCs), but run Vienna Ensemble Pro on Windows slaves.
@@SteveSteeleSoundSymphony I am paying in us dollars and I do not live in Australia, I do wanted da demo, but I might just preorder the VE pro 7 and I'm currently waiting for my viennakey to be delivered. My computer is running windows 10.
Very helpful man. Appreciate you mentioning the video prep for optimisation as well :D Thorough video and very good walk through :) I just got EW Composer Cloud Plus come today as well, so I have been working on setting up that. Thought about getting some VSL sounds as well, like the Flute 1 and Oboe D'amore and the Clarinet.
I haven't forgotten your request for an optimization video. I somehow got laryngitis this past week and have been out of action, not to mention now way behind on everything! But I'll knock it out within the next two or three videos.
+Steve Steele Thanks man I appreciate the feedback :) Been ill myself this last weekend so I know how much it sucks. Was off from work today also thanks to it. Glad you are on the mend. Take it easy :)
+Christopher Thake Here's the Kontakt optimization video. I may make a 2nd part and cover a few things I left out but most of the important tips are included here. Enjoy. ruclips.net/video/4BJNRhZLZww/видео.html
I repeated my question... I received a template with 45 kontakt Player on 45 instrument track How can I connect 45 contacts through a VIENA ..the first track is connected .... the second track asks me for a new instance ... how can I make sure that I connect several contacts to one instance...which are already in the CUBASE ...thank you very much
Sorry for the late reply. You're setting it top wrong. You don't create a new Instrument Track each time you want a new MIDI track. You create one instrument track, and make multi-timbal tracks up to 768 separate MIDI channels that connect to one instance. The VST3 spec handles 48 MIDI ports and 16 MIDI channels per port. 48*16=768. Just look in the back of the VEP manual. It gives clear instructions on how to correctly populate tracks and instances between Cubase and VEP. Best wishes.
Great videos! And I'm probably purchasing Vienna Ensemble Pro 6 to start a two computer configuration. I have a question. If I need mainly to work on large orchestral midi mockups, which use a large number of VSTs instruments, is it better to invest on a powerful CPU on the master computer (where I run Cubase) or in the slave computer where I load VSTs? (Of course if budget would allow, I know I should upgrade both to max specs...) I've read somewhere that RAM is paramount on the slave, to run many VSTs. But what about CPU ? If I have many instances of Kontakt libraries loaded in the slave, but work with automations and write notes on the master....where has to be the main, most powerful processor? Thanks in advance!
Francesco D'Andrea I apologize for the late response. I’ve had some problems with notifications. This is a good question. The Slave is the answer. When you create large VEP templates there is a balancing act between the CPU, amount of RAM and speed, amount of and way you spread your sample libraries across SSDs. You are correct that RAM is paramount. But the amount of and speed of CPU cores is not far behind. If ALL sample libraries will be on the slave, get the monster CPU for that. Yes, lots of automation, convolution reverbs, etc will tax a host CPU but a fast good CPU will be fine here. That being said, there are several preferences in VEP and Kontakt that can compensate for having a less than perfect amount of RAM, or less than desirable CPU. My personal preference for a slave is anywhere between 64GBs to 256GBs of RAM (depending on how current your library is and is you plan on using multiple mic positions), and somewhat recent 10-18 core Xeon CPU (again, depending on the system and your libraries). If you’re using all Berlin, Spitfire and VSL Synchron libraries get the most amount of RAM and the fastest CPU with the largest core count you can possibly afford. DO NOT skimp on this! All of my libraries now have 6 mic positions (which are used during mix down and on surround systems - not during Note Entry), and that large voice count WILL tax your CPU and RAM, even with decent optimization. Some people will debate using an i7/i9 vs a Xeon. IMO, there is no debate. Xeon all the way. I know that means more money upfront, sometimes a lot of money. Just do the best you can. That’s my opinion. If you have further questions, go to my website and send me an email via the email form. I’ll get back to you ASAP.
hi steve, i'm ready to buy a macmini but will wait until i see your setup. if not asking to much i know you are busy but when you get the new video up let me know.
I'm looking to purchase Vienna Ensemble Pro for it's "plugin server" features. I wish to run some older 32bit pc plugins, (instruments & effects) on a server system while using a different system for writing and arranging. Will this software host 32bit plugs along side 64bit plugs going to a 64bit host?
Yes. It comes with a 64-bit plugin server and a separate 32-bit plugin server. You just run the 32-bit plugins in that separate instance. It works very well. VEP 7 just came out and I haven’t checked to see if they’re still including the 32-bit server but if you check their website, or ilio.com (their US distributor), you can check the specs. Should still be there though. I’ll check and respond if it’s not included. Also, I’ll be doing a VEP 7 review sometime soon, so I’ll know more then. Btw, just in case, you can still get VEP 6 which has the 32-bit server.
Crowns Colossal Just checked the website about VEP 7. “Vienna Ensemble Pro lets you run 32-bit plug-ins on a 64-bit machine, close and open sequencer projects without having to reload samples, use your Audio Units plug-ins in Pro Tools, and eliminates the need for having separate audio interfaces on your slave computers.”
steve, thanks now that how you do a video outstanding!!! let me also thank you for seeing it in digital performer :-). i use vep5 think i'll get the new version today love it. can't wait to see how you set up kontakt in vmp6 that's what i need.
Is there a way to disable channels without offloading ram? Thing is i need to save on CPU only. I have plenty of ram and it would slow me down if i have to offload ram. It pretty much defeats the purpose of VEP in my case. Thanks for you video btw. Very helpful.
MustacheVerra VEP7 is now very fast with disabling channels. That being said, with v6 or v7 if you’re using Kontakt, then you could set Kontakt’s Preload Buffer lower, so that it doesn’t load as many samples into RAM in the first place. That would make the process of disabling faster and more seamless. Let’s say a string ensemble patch that has multiple mics weighs in at 4GBs with all microphones turned on. By lowering the buffer size that same patch could weight in at 500MBs, much smaller which would unload/load much faster. When you disable a channel all samples in RAM do get pulled out. But like I said, VEP7 is been speed optimized to make disabling/enabling faster. Hope that helps.
Yes that does help a little. And i know about reducing buffers etc. Thing is my instruments are so large that I'll probably won't use this function. I guess I'll have to test it and see. Oaybe I'll finally find the courage to upgrade my cpu and that should hopefully solve my issue. You've pretty much sold me to VE pro 7 btw. Thanks for taking the time.@@SteveSteeleSoundSymphony
MustacheVerra You’re welcome. Just so you know, I have channel, group and instance disabling installed in all of my templates and I access it via TouchOSC (or the new VEP remote app) . VEP7 adds Folder Track (VCA Track) disabling. And they’ve really worked on the engine so a lot of the engine and network connectivity features are more robust and faster. I use disabling in all of my sessions, just to conserve CPU and RAM resources even though I don’t really need to do it. I find that waiting a few seconds for things to unload or load to be worth it just to add a little headroom. No need to heat up the CPUs unnecessarily. I’m sure you know what I mean. Good luck! 👍🏼
It's an old Dell Precision 690. Got them for cheap and the ram was also cheap. At the time, i was planning to use Kontakt as multi timbral instrument but now i want to have 1 kontakt instance per instrument and I'm worried my CPU will struggle with all those Kontakt instance open. I'll have to test this and see if VEP 7 optimization is significant enough to solve this issue. I;m just gadering info at this stage to see what is the best rout for me. Thanks again for you videos as they were helpfull. @@SteveSteeleSoundSymphony eventually
Are you wanting to ReWire from PT to FL, then have VEP in FL, (and all on the same machine)? I don't own FL Studio or PT, although I know PT. So, I probably wouldn't be much help. But if it's just an OS X interapplication question I might be able too. If it's for Windows, probably not.
Very interesting! I need some help though, I have a project with a few instances, all have been assign correctly(As you did), but there's a but.... Only instance one is getting correctly routed into my DAW.... I have all instances connected but can't play anything except from instance 1... Any idea? I try to get used to VEP6 right now.... Lots to learn... Thanks in advance!!
What DAW are you using? If you're using Digital Performer make sure to install the MAS version of VEP, for Cubase the VST3 version and Logic the AU version. All three DAWs work differently when it comes to setup. Let me know which DAW and I can better help you.
+Jeremie Friez I use Digital Performer and have never set up VEP with Cubase. But looking at the instructions on page 103 of the VEP6 manual a couple of things stand out. You have to launch VEP first. You have to click on the sign to the far right of “Vienna Ensemble PRO” to activate the available Vienna Ensemble PRO outputs. Then as the VEP inputs appear in the mixer you can assign your outputs in VEP. I would think this process can just be repeated. But if you've done all of that and still no audio from the other instances, you might get on VSL's forum and ask another Cubase user or email their tech support.
+Jeremie Friez I can't think of anything from VEP6's point of view that would cause this issue. Are the other instances receiving MIDI? Are you using Out 1/Out 2? If yes to those two questions and you've set up Out 1/Out 2 in Cubase, then I can't think of a reason why you wouldn't get any audio return.
Alright, problem solved, I started everything again and tried to do things properly, I don't know what happened in my previous session but the new version of my template is fully working! Now I'm preparing everything up so I can continue to work! Thanks again for helping me! :)
Steve - great video. I subscribed a while back and the info has been most helpful. I think you touched on the subject, but I'm trying setup an instance of VEpro from a slave to run a reverb that will serve my DAW system....I've recently added a 2nd slave pc to the mix that was intended to only use EastWest libraries via the composer cloud...the issue I'm having is that I'd prefer to use the Spaces reverb on my main daw but I can't separate the license - my template is organized in a way where I have multi-output section based instances in Vepro going into Logic X...I could of course buy a 2nd license for Spaces, but thought I'd see what I could find about running instances for FX from Vepro to Logic first...so far haven't found much. Any input you have would be most appreciated!
Dave LaGrande Hi Dave. If I understand you correctly you have Spaces installed on your slave PC and you have multiple busses coming back to your host. If that's the case, you should have no problem putting Spaces on as many outputs as you like (in VEP on your slave). How many computers can you use with one license of Spaces? Do you know? Just one? Two or three? You could un-authorize Spaces on your slave and reauthorize on your host. You have several options here. If I misunderstood your question please ask again. Steve.
Steve Steele Appreciate the reply... Yes I typically run reverbs on my daw machine, but in this case the eastwest composer cloud license cannot be separated into individual licenses...so deactivating one title deactivates them all on the slave pc... I want to be able to host spaces on vepro on the slave for my daw machine to use...so if I setup an instance on slave vep, add spaces as Fx on an empty channel within instance... Does the instance connect to logic as an instrument plugin or an audio input? I'm messing up the connection somehow..
Dave LaGrande Ok. Real easy. In VEP create a bus for each section you want a reverb on. On the bus track add Spaces as an insert fx. Send instruments to that bus as post fader. Then on the bus chose what output you want, (master, 3-4, 5-6, 7-8, etc...). In Logic have Aux tracks set to receive those buses from VEP. That's it. The mixer in VEP works just like your DAWs mixer. Let me look through my video where I discuss that and I reply back. If I need to I'll make another quick video showing the process. I use DP, but I have an old version of Logic that should work if I need to look at it.
A video would be awesome... I've been working on a new template, trying to incorporate these new eastwest libraries and I'm struggling to decide the most logical and effective build that doesn't completely change the workflow.. Much thanks!
hi steve hope your year is off to a great start. in vep 6 can you help me out? on each channel i see i can add: ve pro plugin midi 1, ve pro plugin midi 2, and so on what does that mean? and also i don't understand thread count? thanks for all you do :-)
CollectiveVoice Sorry I'm just now replying. I missed your post. If you're still interested - those buttons are adding channels for VSL instruments, Kontakt, audio channels, bus channels, etc.. Threads are fairly simple to understand but take awhile to learn how to balance your system. Depending on how many CPU cores you have (let's say you have an 8 core machine), you can tell VEP and Kontakt how many cores to use. If you tell them to use more cores, then they'll spread their work load out across them, so that one core one overload. Threads are a little different. Every task your DAW or Kontakt does (like a reverb on your master bus, or an instance of Kontakt on a channel) those are all threads of instructions your CPU has to process. Actually all the different things one instance of Kontakt can do (play instruments, voices, effects, etc.. those are all unique threads. With that in mind, as you build your DAW and VEP template you need to balance out how these apps spread themselves across the CPUs. macOS and Windows (along with the apps), do a lot of this automatically. But VEP, Kontakt and other apps give you the option to adjust how many threads and cores they can use. So, basically it means this. There's a formula for deciding what number to set your threads to. And that depends on how many cores your. CPU has, how many instances of VEP your using and how much is loaded into each channel and being played back. That may sound difficult but it's not. If you tell me what CPU you have, how much RAM and what kinds of drives your samples are on, then how many instruments and channels your using in VEP, I can generally tell you how to set the thread count. Then you can watch your CPU activity monitor during playback and do some fine tuning. I'll have an updated VEP/Kontakt setup video up soon which will get more into thread count. I've fined tuned my own template since this video. Plus, VEP6 is VERY CPU efficient. Hope that helps.
CollectiveVoice Which model do you have? And what CPU exactly? I'm still using a 2009 MacPro and it works fine. Granted it's a 12-core Xeon with 64GBs of RAM. But you might be ok if you have a decent CPU and can install at least 16GBs of RAM.
hi steve i just back in town from off the road thanks for responding back. first did you do a new video showing what ve pro plugin midi 1, ve pro plugin midi 2 mean? and threads? i think i need a new computer i have a 2010 imac intel 2 core duo and the memory is max out at 4gb. let me also ask this can i buy a mac mini install vep 6 on it and get my imac with dp 9.12 to work together?
CollectiveVoice Hi. Just to make sure I know what you're asking, do you mean in the insert menu at the top of a VEP channel where it gives you an option of inserting VE Pro and other items. I believe I show this at 13:36. I wasn't clear if you were asking about that or about the VEP MIDI ports and channels that show up in DP's MIDI outs. Please clarify and I'll answer that for you. Your iMac is kinda low on power. However if you added a MacMini with 16GBs of RAM with an SSD or two installed you could connect the MacMini to the iMac over Ethernet and run a Host/Slave setup. From there you'd run DP off the iMac and only add MIDI tracks plus the VEP server interface instrument tracks and any return or master busses you want. All of your sample hosting would be done in VEP on the MacMini. VEP pipes the audio back through the Ethernet cable to DP and you mix everything in DP. This way DP is very light weight and only has to process your midi tracks while the more capable MacMini with VEP would handle all of the sample library and instrument processing. I need to update an older DP/VEP Host/Slave setup video. A lot has changed since I made that video. It would answer all of your questions.
Hi Steve, thanks for your highly informative vids! How do you feel about cores vs clock speed in VEP6? Let's say a 6C 3.5Mhz 1650 v2 vs 10C 2.5Mhz 2670 V2 CPU's in a VEP6 slave hosting Kontakt orchestral libraries. Cheers, C.
Coen Wolters 3.5GHz vs 2.5GHz is a fairly big difference in speed, and it’s a kind of a close call, but I’d much rather have the extra 4 cores of the 10 core, (if the price difference isn’t that much). Overall, your DAW, VE Pro and Kontakt like to have more cores to spread their threads over. I doubt you’ll max out the first core of the v2 Xeon (if set up properly), and you’ll almost have twice as many cores to assign threads to. You’ll get some hyperthreading benefits (not as much as video codecs tend to utilize - maybe about 30% of the HT capability), so that will give you a little more to work with. VE Pro will see all 20 physical and virtual cores of the 10 core, compared to only 12 with the 6 core, and Kontakt can use up to 16 cores. If you’re using DP it uses all cores automatically as you spread VIs across channels, and it’s always better to have many instances of Kontakt with one or two instruments loaded, than one instance of Kontakt with everything loaded. So, yeah, the 10 core would be my choice.
Hi Steve, I never got to thank you for your advice. I got two HP Z420's with 2670 V2's and they're running absolutely great. Now I have to upgrade my master PC (i7 4790/32GB RAM) because I need lower latency. What CPU would you suggest for a master PC? Cheers!
Coen Wolters I’m glad you’re happy with my recommendation. Lots of cores never goes wrong! Concerning your host system, keep in mind that you might decide to run an instance or two of VEP on your host PC. I do. I’ve got a 12-Core, 64GB host system and have plenty of space to take advantage of the leftover CPU and RAM bandwidth after my DAW and system takes theirs. So, if you can, get the largest core count and RAM amount here too. Try to balance it so that you don’t buy more CPU and RAM then your system will actually be able to use. At the same time, go for it if you can. A i9 with 64GBs of RAM and a few SSDs would make for a great host. You’ll be using your host a lot for many different tasks and having all of those extra resources with their extra power and speed will make your system all the more flexible and fun to work with. If you’d like exact details I’ll try. But, your needs, budget and the limitations of your host will make it clear where the good optimization points lie. Good luck. 👍🏻
Nick Saya In general it's best to use more Kontakt instances with single instruments to spread its resources across the CPU evenly, but it depends. I have a multi made up of several cymbal samples (Alive Cymbals 1.5). Because each cymbal only takes up a few keys, they're only close mic'd and because I only play one or two cymbals at a time, a multi won't overload its share of CPU resources. But for instruments that will use many voices at a time, (such as a piano or a string instrument that has multi-mic positions), those are best in their own separate Kontakt instances. If in doubt, go to the Expert tab in Kontakt while you're playing that instrument and watch its CPU usage. When in doubt create a new Kontakt instance. Hope that helps.
Steve Steele thank you. That's the way I do it in logic. I am now using Cubase and am about to start building template for vep6. I wasn't sure if it worked the same way. I just wish I didn't spend all that time building huge templates in logic before realizing I should have done with VEP pro. Time to start from scratch. Uhg
Nick Saya Are you using any of the Spitfire or Berlin series libraries that use multiple mics? I ask because I have a few Kontakt tips for you that you might be helpful. I need to finish the update video for this video that gets into that stuff.
Is Vienna ensemble pro supportive to windows?
Cris Garcia 6 Yes. You can download and try the 30-day demo from the VSL website. Many composers have Macs as host computers (or PCs), but run Vienna Ensemble Pro on Windows slaves.
@@SteveSteeleSoundSymphony I am paying in us dollars and I do not live in Australia, I do wanted da demo, but I might just preorder the VE pro 7 and I'm currently waiting for my viennakey to be delivered. My computer is running windows 10.
Another great video Steve !!!
Thank you from Italy
Lauro Ferrarini You're welcome. Glad you enjoyed.
Great Video!!!! I was on the fence as weather I should update,thanks to your video, I'm going to update
Love your style of teaching, it's bang on my level. Bless you!!
You're very welcome! More to come.
Very helpful man. Appreciate you mentioning the video prep for optimisation as well :D
Thorough video and very good walk through :)
I just got EW Composer Cloud Plus come today as well, so I have been working on setting up that.
Thought about getting some VSL sounds as well, like the Flute 1 and Oboe D'amore and the Clarinet.
I haven't forgotten your request for an optimization video. I somehow got laryngitis this past week and have been out of action, not to mention now way behind on everything! But I'll knock it out within the next two or three videos.
+Steve Steele Thanks man I appreciate the feedback :) Been ill myself this last weekend so I know how much it sucks. Was off from work today also thanks to it. Glad you are on the mend. Take it easy :)
+Christopher Thake Here's the Kontakt optimization video. I may make a 2nd part and cover a few things I left out but most of the important tips are included here. Enjoy. ruclips.net/video/4BJNRhZLZww/видео.html
I repeated my question... I received a template with 45 kontakt Player on 45 instrument track How can I connect 45 contacts through a VIENA ..the first track is connected .... the second track asks me for a new instance ... how can I make sure that I connect several contacts to one instance...which are already in the CUBASE ...thank you very much
Sorry for the late reply. You're setting it top wrong. You don't create a new Instrument Track each time you want a new MIDI track. You create one instrument track, and make multi-timbal tracks up to 768 separate MIDI channels that connect to one instance. The VST3 spec handles 48 MIDI ports and 16 MIDI channels per port. 48*16=768. Just look in the back of the VEP manual. It gives clear instructions on how to correctly populate tracks and instances between Cubase and VEP. Best wishes.
it is interesting to know if you can use all the instruments through the program correctly Ensemble Pro ?Thank you very much
Yes. You can host all of your instruments (VIs) in VEP. You want to do this so that your DAW doesn’t struggle with CPU resources.
Great videos! And I'm probably purchasing Vienna Ensemble Pro 6 to start a two computer configuration. I have a question. If I need mainly to work on large orchestral midi mockups, which use a large number of VSTs instruments, is it better to invest on a powerful CPU on the master computer (where I run Cubase) or in the slave computer where I load VSTs? (Of course if budget would allow, I know I should upgrade both to max specs...) I've read somewhere that RAM is paramount on the slave, to run many VSTs. But what about CPU ? If I have many instances of Kontakt libraries loaded in the slave, but work with automations and write notes on the master....where has to be the main, most powerful processor? Thanks in advance!
Francesco D'Andrea I apologize for the late response. I’ve had some problems with notifications. This is a good question. The Slave is the answer. When you create large VEP templates there is a balancing act between the CPU, amount of RAM and speed, amount of and way you spread your sample libraries across SSDs. You are correct that RAM is paramount. But the amount of and speed of CPU cores is not far behind. If ALL sample libraries will be on the slave, get the monster CPU for that. Yes, lots of automation, convolution reverbs, etc will tax a host CPU but a fast good CPU will be fine here. That being said, there are several preferences in VEP and Kontakt that can compensate for having a less than perfect amount of RAM, or less than desirable CPU. My personal preference for a slave is anywhere between 64GBs to 256GBs of RAM (depending on how current your library is and is you plan on using multiple mic positions), and somewhat recent 10-18 core Xeon CPU (again, depending on the system and your libraries). If you’re using all Berlin, Spitfire and VSL Synchron libraries get the most amount of RAM and the fastest CPU with the largest core count you can possibly afford. DO NOT skimp on this! All of my libraries now have 6 mic positions (which are used during mix down and on surround systems - not during Note Entry), and that large voice count WILL tax your CPU and RAM, even with decent optimization. Some people will debate using an i7/i9 vs a Xeon. IMO, there is no debate. Xeon all the way. I know that means more money upfront, sometimes a lot of money. Just do the best you can. That’s my opinion. If you have further questions, go to my website and send me an email via the email form. I’ll get back to you ASAP.
hi steve, i'm ready to buy a macmini but will wait until i see your setup. if not asking to much i know you are busy but when you get the new video up let me know.
CollectiveVoice Will do. I'm helping some clients with their builds but I'll get out a video soon. Sorry for the wait.
Email me and let's talk. We can talk it out over the phone and I'll answer all of your questions, Cool?
I'm looking to purchase Vienna Ensemble Pro for it's "plugin server" features. I wish to run some older 32bit pc plugins, (instruments & effects) on a server system while using a different system for writing and arranging. Will this software host 32bit plugs along side 64bit plugs going to a 64bit host?
Yes. It comes with a 64-bit plugin server and a separate 32-bit plugin server. You just run the 32-bit plugins in that separate instance. It works very well. VEP 7 just came out and I haven’t checked to see if they’re still including the 32-bit server but if you check their website, or ilio.com (their US distributor), you can check the specs. Should still be there though. I’ll check and respond if it’s not included. Also, I’ll be doing a VEP 7 review sometime soon, so I’ll know more then. Btw, just in case, you can still get VEP 6 which has the 32-bit server.
Crowns Colossal Just checked the website about VEP 7. “Vienna Ensemble Pro lets you run 32-bit plug-ins on a 64-bit machine, close and open sequencer projects without having to reload samples, use your Audio Units plug-ins in Pro Tools, and eliminates the need for having separate audio interfaces on your slave computers.”
Thank you for the help. You clarified a bunch for me and gave me what I needed to know.
@@SteveSteeleSoundSymphony Just updating the info here, Mac ver of VEP7 doesn't run 32-bit plug-ins.
steve, thanks now that how you do a video outstanding!!! let me also thank you for seeing it in digital performer :-). i use vep5 think i'll get the new version today love it. can't wait to see how you set up kontakt in vmp6 that's what i need.
Is there a way to disable channels without offloading ram? Thing is i need to save on CPU only. I have plenty of ram and it would slow me down if i have to offload ram. It pretty much defeats the purpose of VEP in my case. Thanks for you video btw. Very helpful.
MustacheVerra VEP7 is now very fast with disabling channels. That being said, with v6 or v7 if you’re using Kontakt, then you could set Kontakt’s Preload Buffer lower, so that it doesn’t load as many samples into RAM in the first place. That would make the process of disabling faster and more seamless. Let’s say a string ensemble patch that has multiple mics weighs in at 4GBs with all microphones turned on. By lowering the buffer size that same patch could weight in at 500MBs, much smaller which would unload/load much faster. When you disable a channel all samples in RAM do get pulled out. But like I said, VEP7 is been speed optimized to make disabling/enabling faster. Hope that helps.
Yes that does help a little. And i know about reducing buffers etc. Thing is my instruments are so large that I'll probably won't use this function. I guess I'll have to test it and see. Oaybe I'll finally find the courage to upgrade my cpu and that should hopefully solve my issue. You've pretty much sold me to VE pro 7 btw. Thanks for taking the time.@@SteveSteeleSoundSymphony
MustacheVerra You’re welcome. Just so you know, I have channel, group and instance disabling installed in all of my templates and I access it via TouchOSC (or the new VEP remote app) . VEP7 adds Folder Track (VCA Track) disabling. And they’ve really worked on the engine so a lot of the engine and network connectivity features are more robust and faster. I use disabling in all of my sessions, just to conserve CPU and RAM resources even though I don’t really need to do it. I find that waiting a few seconds for things to unload or load to be worth it just to add a little headroom. No need to heat up the CPUs unnecessarily. I’m sure you know what I mean. Good luck! 👍🏼
MustacheVerra What machine are you considering doing a CPU upgrade to?
It's an old Dell Precision 690. Got them for cheap and the ram was also cheap. At the time, i was planning to use Kontakt as multi timbral instrument but now i want to have 1 kontakt instance per instrument and I'm worried my CPU will struggle with all those Kontakt instance open. I'll have to test this and see if VEP 7 optimization is significant enough to solve this issue. I;m just gadering info at this stage to see what is the best rout for me. Thanks again for you videos as they were helpfull. @@SteveSteeleSoundSymphony eventually
any chance you could demonstrate a video of how to get FL studio running in PT 11 using VE Pro? :)
Are you wanting to ReWire from PT to FL, then have VEP in FL, (and all on the same machine)? I don't own FL Studio or PT, although I know PT. So, I probably wouldn't be much help. But if it's just an OS X interapplication question I might be able too. If it's for Windows, probably not.
Very interesting! I need some help though, I have a project with a few instances, all have been assign correctly(As you did), but there's a but.... Only instance one is getting correctly routed into my DAW.... I have all instances connected but can't play anything except from instance 1... Any idea? I try to get used to VEP6 right now.... Lots to learn... Thanks in advance!!
What DAW are you using? If you're using Digital Performer make sure to install the MAS version of VEP, for Cubase the VST3 version and Logic the AU version. All three DAWs work differently when it comes to setup. Let me know which DAW and I can better help you.
I'm using Cubase and I'm actually using the VST3 version....... That's the point...
+Jeremie Friez I use Digital Performer and have never set up VEP with Cubase. But looking at the instructions on page 103 of the VEP6 manual a couple of things stand out. You have to launch VEP first. You have to click on the sign to the far right of “Vienna Ensemble PRO” to activate the available Vienna Ensemble PRO outputs. Then as the VEP inputs appear in the mixer you can assign your outputs in VEP. I would think this process can just be repeated. But if you've done all of that and still no audio from the other instances, you might get on VSL's forum and ask another Cubase user or email their tech support.
+Jeremie Friez I can't think of anything from VEP6's point of view that would cause this issue. Are the other instances receiving MIDI? Are you using Out 1/Out 2? If yes to those two questions and you've set up Out 1/Out 2 in Cubase, then I can't think of a reason why you wouldn't get any audio return.
Alright, problem solved, I started everything again and tried to do things properly, I don't know what happened in my previous session but the new version of my template is fully working! Now I'm preparing everything up so I can continue to work!
Thanks again for helping me! :)
I have VEP 5 atm, giving the VEP 6 a try [ 30 days trial ] see if its worth the upgrade
Sham Stalin It is I think. It's been a workhouse for me. I use two MacPros but it works great even on the host.
So many added features. Well worth the upgrade. It's not just a bug fix or two and a new GUI. It's tons of new features.
Great video learned from you please do more about server as slave etc.
Nice job!
Steve - great video. I subscribed a while back and the info has been most helpful.
I think you touched on the subject, but I'm trying setup an instance of VEpro from a slave to run a reverb that will serve my DAW system....I've recently added a 2nd slave pc to the mix that was intended to only use EastWest libraries via the composer cloud...the issue I'm having is that I'd prefer to use the Spaces reverb on my main daw but I can't separate the license - my template is organized in a way where I have multi-output section based instances in Vepro going into Logic X...I could of course buy a 2nd license for Spaces, but thought I'd see what I could find about running instances for FX from Vepro to Logic first...so far haven't found much. Any input you have would be most appreciated!
Dave LaGrande Hi Dave. If I understand you correctly you have Spaces installed on your slave PC and you have multiple busses coming back to your host. If that's the case, you should have no problem putting Spaces on as many outputs as you like (in VEP on your slave). How many computers can you use with one license of Spaces? Do you know? Just one? Two or three? You could un-authorize Spaces on your slave and reauthorize on your host. You have several options here. If I misunderstood your question please ask again. Steve.
Steve Steele Appreciate the reply... Yes I typically run reverbs on my daw machine, but in this case the eastwest composer cloud license cannot be separated into individual licenses...so deactivating one title deactivates them all on the slave pc... I want to be able to host spaces on vepro on the slave for my daw machine to use...so if I setup an instance on slave vep, add spaces as Fx on an empty channel within instance... Does the instance connect to logic as an instrument plugin or an audio input? I'm messing up the connection somehow..
Dave LaGrande Ok. Real easy. In VEP create a bus for each section you want a reverb on. On the bus track add Spaces as an insert fx. Send instruments to that bus as post fader. Then on the bus chose what output you want, (master, 3-4, 5-6, 7-8, etc...). In Logic have Aux tracks set to receive those buses from VEP. That's it. The mixer in VEP works just like your DAWs mixer. Let me look through my video where I discuss that and I reply back. If I need to I'll make another quick video showing the process. I use DP, but I have an old version of Logic that should work if I need to look at it.
Dave LaGrande Watch at 10:00. I discuss setting up a bus and sends. I don't talk about outputs at that point but I'll look for it.
A video would be awesome... I've been working on a new template, trying to incorporate these new eastwest libraries and I'm struggling to decide the most logical and effective build that doesn't completely change the workflow.. Much thanks!
hi steve hope your year is off to a great start. in vep 6 can you help me out? on each channel i see i can add: ve pro plugin midi 1, ve pro plugin midi 2, and so on what does that mean? and also i don't understand thread count? thanks for all you do :-)
CollectiveVoice Sorry I'm just now replying. I missed your post. If you're still interested - those buttons are adding channels for VSL instruments, Kontakt, audio channels, bus channels, etc.. Threads are fairly simple to understand but take awhile to learn how to balance your system. Depending on how many CPU cores you have (let's say you have an 8 core machine), you can tell VEP and Kontakt how many cores to use. If you tell them to use more cores, then they'll spread their work load out across them, so that one core one overload. Threads are a little different. Every task your DAW or Kontakt does (like a reverb on your master bus, or an instance of Kontakt on a channel) those are all threads of instructions your CPU has to process. Actually all the different things one instance of Kontakt can do (play instruments, voices, effects, etc.. those are all unique threads.
With that in mind, as you build your DAW and VEP template you need to balance out how these apps spread themselves across the CPUs. macOS and Windows (along with the apps), do a lot of this automatically. But VEP, Kontakt and other apps give you the option to adjust how many threads and cores they can use.
So, basically it means this. There's a formula for deciding what number to set your threads to. And that depends on how many cores your. CPU has, how many instances of VEP your using and how much is loaded into each channel and being played back.
That may sound difficult but it's not. If you tell me what CPU you have, how much RAM and what kinds of drives your samples are on, then how many instruments and channels your using in VEP, I can generally tell you how to set the thread count. Then you can watch your CPU activity monitor during playback and do some fine tuning.
I'll have an updated VEP/Kontakt setup video up soon which will get more into thread count. I've fined tuned my own template since this video. Plus, VEP6 is VERY CPU efficient.
Hope that helps.
sound like i need a new mac this is a 2011 unit
CollectiveVoice Which model do you have? And what CPU exactly? I'm still using a 2009 MacPro and it works fine. Granted it's a 12-core Xeon with 64GBs of RAM. But you might be ok if you have a decent CPU and can install at least 16GBs of RAM.
hi steve i just back in town from off the road thanks for responding back. first did you do a new video showing what ve pro plugin midi 1, ve pro plugin midi 2 mean? and threads? i think i need a new computer i have a 2010 imac intel 2 core duo and the memory is max out at 4gb. let me also ask this can i buy a mac mini install vep 6 on it and get my imac with dp 9.12 to work together?
CollectiveVoice Hi. Just to make sure I know what you're asking, do you mean in the insert menu at the top of a VEP channel where it gives you an option of inserting VE Pro and other items. I believe I show this at 13:36. I wasn't clear if you were asking about that or about the VEP MIDI ports and channels that show up in DP's MIDI outs. Please clarify and I'll answer that for you.
Your iMac is kinda low on power. However if you added a MacMini with 16GBs of RAM with an SSD or two installed you could connect the MacMini to the iMac over Ethernet and run a Host/Slave setup. From there you'd run DP off the iMac and only add MIDI tracks plus the VEP server interface instrument tracks and any return or master busses you want. All of your sample hosting would be done in VEP on the MacMini. VEP pipes the audio back through the Ethernet cable to DP and you mix everything in DP. This way DP is very light weight and only has to process your midi tracks while the more capable MacMini with VEP would handle all of the sample library and instrument processing.
I need to update an older DP/VEP Host/Slave setup video. A lot has changed since I made that video. It would answer all of your questions.
Hi Steve, thanks for your highly informative vids!
How do you feel about cores vs clock speed in VEP6?
Let's say a 6C 3.5Mhz 1650 v2 vs 10C 2.5Mhz 2670 V2 CPU's in a VEP6 slave hosting Kontakt orchestral libraries.
Cheers,
C.
Coen Wolters 3.5GHz vs 2.5GHz is a fairly big difference in speed, and it’s a kind of a close call, but I’d much rather have the extra 4 cores of the 10 core, (if the price difference isn’t that much). Overall, your DAW, VE Pro and Kontakt like to have more cores to spread their threads over. I doubt you’ll max out the first core of the v2 Xeon (if set up properly), and you’ll almost have twice as many cores to assign threads to. You’ll get some hyperthreading benefits (not as much as video codecs tend to utilize - maybe about 30% of the HT capability), so that will give you a little more to work with. VE Pro will see all 20 physical and virtual cores of the 10 core, compared to only 12 with the 6 core, and Kontakt can use up to 16 cores. If you’re using DP it uses all cores automatically as you spread VIs across channels, and it’s always better to have many instances of Kontakt with one or two instruments loaded, than one instance of Kontakt with everything loaded. So, yeah, the 10 core would be my choice.
Hi Steve, I never got to thank you for your advice. I got two HP Z420's with 2670 V2's and they're running absolutely great.
Now I have to upgrade my master PC (i7 4790/32GB RAM) because I need lower latency. What CPU would you suggest for a master PC?
Cheers!
Coen Wolters I’m glad you’re happy with my recommendation. Lots of cores never goes wrong!
Concerning your host system, keep in mind that you might decide to run an instance or two of VEP on your host PC. I do. I’ve got a 12-Core, 64GB host system and have plenty of space to take advantage of the leftover CPU and RAM bandwidth after my DAW and system takes theirs. So, if you can, get the largest core count and RAM amount here too. Try to balance it so that you don’t buy more CPU and RAM then your system will actually be able to use. At the same time, go for it if you can. A i9 with 64GBs of RAM and a few SSDs would make for a great host. You’ll be using your host a lot for many different tasks and having all of those extra resources with their extra power and speed will make your system all the more flexible and fun to work with. If you’d like exact details I’ll try. But, your needs, budget and the limitations of your host will make it clear where the good optimization points lie.
Good luck. 👍🏻
thanks Steve. do you recommend using multis or one articulation per instance in kontakt?
Nick Saya In general it's best to use more Kontakt instances with single instruments to spread its resources across the CPU evenly, but it depends. I have a multi made up of several cymbal samples (Alive Cymbals 1.5). Because each cymbal only takes up a few keys, they're only close mic'd and because I only play one or two cymbals at a time, a multi won't overload its share of CPU resources. But for instruments that will use many voices at a time, (such as a piano or a string instrument that has multi-mic positions), those are best in their own separate Kontakt instances. If in doubt, go to the Expert tab in Kontakt while you're playing that instrument and watch its CPU usage. When in doubt create a new Kontakt instance. Hope that helps.
Steve Steele thank you. That's the way I do it in logic. I am now using Cubase and am about to start building template for vep6. I wasn't sure if it worked the same way. I just wish I didn't spend all that time building huge templates in logic before realizing I should have done with VEP pro. Time to start from scratch. Uhg
Nick Saya Are you building an orchestral template?
Steve Steele yes I had a couple very large ones in logic. But I want to use VEPro. So I have to re create them.
Nick Saya Are you using any of the Spitfire or Berlin series libraries that use multiple mics? I ask because I have a few Kontakt tips for you that you might be helpful. I need to finish the update video for this video that gets into that stuff.
OH yeah