Rather than running VePro, I find it much more helpful to load-up a fully disabled template, and just enable and disable each instrument as I need them. Template doesn't rely on another software connection, no need to load up tons of GB of ram with samples, 95% of which I won't actually use every time. As much time as VePro might save, it still requires loading up potentially a hundred GB of samples into RAM.
Absolutely fantastic explanation/ guide/ review... whatever you want to call it. Where would we (I) be without creators such as yourself to show in detail what a product of interest is. Thank You.
There are no words for how useful/helpful your videos have been for me during the past few months. Thank you sooo much for all of your finely detailed contributions to the body of knowledge around the subjects of orchestration/recording/sampling/MIDI instruments.
Thanks for this. I use VEP7, it’s been a saviour, but find it a little inflexible for my needs. Your set up is really interesting and worth giving a go. Thanks for sharing. Keep up the good work!
Beautiful music and video. This is the first time I am convinced that I need VEP. Thank you so much. Your presentation is perfect in my opinion. May God bless you. 💚
Haven't watched this yet, will watch later I've heard of this library before, but just wanted to say it's good seeing you and your videos again! I hope everything is well!
First of your videos I watched. Very well done, and timely. I was wallowing in the details of VEP and wondering how best to set up instances for large and small ensembles. You have good ideas that differed from what i would have thought was the "right" way, but I can see the advantages. Your Epic Orch short piece was excellent. Now I see you have other helpful videos to dig into. Thanks!
Great! Thanks for your feedback! I try to create the videos I'm looking for myself, and I felt the VEP videos was lacking a bit. Enjoy, and happy new year!
Great tutorial as you explain the concepts very clearly. Would be good to know more about the licencing and whether a single instance will cover two setups like most of us have. Especially if one setup as two machines slaved together, Whether that requires multiple purchases of VE Pro. Cheers.
Thank you, this video has helped me a lot in deciding weather to purchase VEP or not. I'd wish VSL had such an informative video for beginners on their website.
Thank you for another great video, Sam. Even though your explanations are very good, I still find that I'm confused when you talk about different outputs. The concept of routing still baffles me a bit. Maybe watching again will help :).
Yes, that one is actually quite a pain. It probably makes more sense if you have the program, but i also offer a simpler solution with many sections going to just one channel and then you don't have to mess with the outputs at all
@@SecondTierSound I think I have a scaled down version of Vienna's "server" software that came with something small I bought from them. Everytime it pops up I close it down. Maybe I'll take a closer look at it now that you've explained it a bit.
sorry, the real advantage is loading VEpro +Libraries into a Slave computer and spread RAM ressources and HD Space. He doesnt show , why 90% of VEPro users bought it, today a slave machine is maybe 1000 $ (no Graphics card needed, works with integrated Graphics, like AMD RYZEN APU Gen 5). I hope STS (sorry dont know your name) adds this in a later Video. Usually people run 32GB (4 Ram bars) so just build another PC with 32GB and use the free perfomance in the main PC. My suggestion, the faster CPU (singlecore fast i mean) use as MAIN PC and run all the SYNTH VST Plugs into this. The Slave for Kontakt/Sine/EW Play and so on, for heavy Ram usage. Start the Slave before the main PC in the morning and just let it run. Much more conveniant to work. DAW crashes? no problem, the slave sits there and waits for re-connection. My setup is 64GB on Main and 128GB on Slave. Both AMD Ryzen with lots of cores (12+12 and 8+8)and over 4GHz.
@@jazzdude7014 Thanks your input. This is valuable info. I do mention in the video a network of computer is a very good idea, but don't have that setup myself currently and there are still many benefits with just one computer, for example workflow, savingtime and less crashes and no loss of data Cheers!
Nice video. I just got into Vienna this week and they have the free version of Ensemble and so far I am impressed with it. I am just getting started with orchestral music, so I do not see a need for the Pro version at this time.
I also agree with the alternative setup, it is indeed much simpler and it works well for me on Win11 32 Ram too. In each instance I have one Kontakt instance, I have Singel articulations of that instrument arranged by channel number, this way I can use my Keyswitches perfectly. I work in Studio One. It would be nice if it were possible to use Folders at the instances in VEP, now we can only place folders at the channels.
Wow! Thank you for this telling review! VEP is certainly on my map now! Just a matter of saving up for an actual desktop rather than using this laptop. ;-;
Thank you Sam for the great Video! Is this Epic Orchestra 2 that you use in the beginning of the video ? I believe it comes as a free addition with it?
s anyone using Halion 7 with VEP? In its standalone version there is no issue, but using it with VEP it is always claiming missing samples even if they are located where they should be, and over 42 instances of Halion in VEP, the Steinberg plug in starts to loose its saved configurations. Is it because we work on Apple M2 machines?
Interesting approach with the alternate setup. Have you tried freezing tracks or rendering in place? I wonder if this approach could solve the headaches with those features in the conventional setup.
Thank you for your input. Well, freezing or rendering is only really a solution after you have written a track entirely. Before that, you want the channel and instrument available, loaded and ready to go, because there is nothing that stops creativity more than having to load/unload tracks, or disable/enable tracks etc. But my setup works well, and vep also offers some interesting options, and some plugins can purge samples. That all helps, but I find the best way is to create a template that covers most bases, all tracks activated, and then perhaps more tracks less often used that are disabled. Cheers
Yes, unless you use another computer. The good thing about it is that your DAW is not "involved" so that crashes are less frequent, and saving doesn't take so long.
@@SecondTierSound I got two more questions: 1. How long does VEP takes you everytime load a new big orchestral template? 2. Is there a way to load a VEP session (say in a huge template) with all instruments unloaded (actually in stand-by) waiting to be loaded up just when choosing the relative track? - something like Dynamic plugin load in Logic (I don't know in Cubase)..in that way it would be an instantaneous loading right? Thank you so much!
1. Depends on your setup. It takes a few minutes on bigger templates. 2. Depends on your instrument plugins, and isn't controller by your DAW when you use VEP. VSL instruments can be controlled by VEP this way. But you can deactivate any instrument in VEP.
Unfortunately the demo for requires a usb license key to work, without it it keeps crashing and the kontakt instruments won't play and the UI is messed up. It's 2021, who wrote this buggy licensing crap?
Hi, Thank you for this great tutorial of VEP 7 can you please let me know how you enlarge the FX on the Mix window ? also I would like to know what kind of router did you use for two computers? Thank you again,
Do you mean enlarging the view, or actually seeing the effects? You can click and drag the corners to change the size. Actually, in this case, it is all on the same computer. A normal router should work between two computers on the same network, better with cable rather than wifi, and then you install the standalone on the other computer.
@@SecondTierSound I think that you fixed my problem becasue I was ranning in both PC and Mac the server so I need to run the standalone in my Pc and server in my Macbook pro M1. I will try when get home. Thank you very much.
I've been watching Vepro videos and this one is the best. You explain in 25 min what others can't explain clearly in hours. Thank you.
Thank you very much!
Rather than running VePro, I find it much more helpful to load-up a fully disabled template, and just enable and disable each instrument as I need them. Template doesn't rely on another software connection, no need to load up tons of GB of ram with samples, 95% of which I won't actually use every time. As much time as VePro might save, it still requires loading up potentially a hundred GB of samples into RAM.
Thank you for this wisdom, Obi Wan.
Absolutely fantastic explanation/ guide/ review... whatever you want to call it. Where would we (I) be without creators such as yourself to show in detail what a product of interest is. Thank You.
Thank you very much for letting me know. It makes me happy knowing it helps others make better informed decisions
There are no words for how useful/helpful your videos have been for me during the past few months.
Thank you sooo much for all of your finely detailed contributions to the body of knowledge around the subjects of orchestration/recording/sampling/MIDI instruments.
Thank you very much. This made my day. Wish you the best.
Thanks for this. I use VEP7, it’s been a saviour, but find it a little inflexible for my needs. Your set up is really interesting and worth giving a go. Thanks for sharing. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for letting me know 😊
Excellent!! thank You for the walkthrough !!. Much appreciated Sam!!
My pleasure!
Beautiful music and video. This is the first time I am convinced that I need VEP. Thank you so much. Your presentation is perfect in my opinion. May God bless you. 💚
Thank you very much. Yes, it is a great tool, needed by most at a certain stage.
Haven't watched this yet, will watch later I've heard of this library before, but just wanted to say it's good seeing you and your videos again! I hope everything is well!
I'm good thanks. I've had a bit of a cold but better now. This isn't a library though, but more of a tool.
First of your videos I watched. Very well done, and timely. I was wallowing in the details of VEP and wondering how best to set up instances for large and small ensembles. You have good ideas that differed from what i would have thought was the "right" way, but I can see the advantages. Your Epic Orch short piece was excellent. Now I see you have other helpful videos to dig into. Thanks!
Great! Thanks for your feedback! I try to create the videos I'm looking for myself, and I felt the VEP videos was lacking a bit. Enjoy, and happy new year!
Thank you! Very helpful to see how it is done! :-) And in my particular case it was even more helpful because you showed your EW setup!
Great! Cheers!
Great tutorial as you explain the concepts very clearly. Would be good to know more about the licencing and whether a single instance will cover two setups like most of us have. Especially if one setup as two machines slaved together, Whether that requires multiple purchases of VE Pro. Cheers.
This is an extremely helpful overview.
Thank you!
Great info in this video, taught very nicely and thus much appreciated! Keep on going in this manner:)
Thank you, this video has helped me a lot in deciding weather to purchase VEP or not. I'd wish VSL had such an informative video for beginners on their website.
Thank you. I'm really glad it helped
well done! If i get right, it comes soon a comparison between Opus vs Kontakt vs Vsl ;)
Perhaps not. I hope my videos so far have given enough info 😊
Thank you for sharing, very helpful.
You're welcome!
Thank you for another great video, Sam. Even though your explanations are very good, I still find that I'm confused when you talk about different outputs. The concept of routing still baffles me a bit.
Maybe watching again will help :).
Yes, that one is actually quite a pain. It probably makes more sense if you have the program, but i also offer a simpler solution with many sections going to just one channel and then you don't have to mess with the outputs at all
@@SecondTierSound I think I have a scaled down version of Vienna's "server" software that came with something small I bought from them. Everytime it pops up I close it down.
Maybe I'll take a closer look at it now that you've explained it a bit.
I didn't know they have that. Yeah, give it a look
Very helpful, well presented. Subscribed.
Cheers!
At last I understand what VEP is ! Thanks for that :)
You're welcome.
sorry, the real advantage is loading VEpro +Libraries into a Slave computer and spread RAM ressources and HD Space. He doesnt show , why 90% of VEPro users bought it, today a slave machine is maybe 1000 $ (no Graphics card needed, works with integrated Graphics, like AMD RYZEN APU Gen 5). I hope STS (sorry dont know your name) adds this in a later Video. Usually people run 32GB (4 Ram bars) so just build another PC with 32GB and use the free perfomance in the main PC. My suggestion, the faster CPU (singlecore fast i mean) use as MAIN PC and run all the SYNTH VST Plugs into this.
The Slave for Kontakt/Sine/EW Play and so on, for heavy Ram usage.
Start the Slave before the main PC in the morning and just let it run. Much more conveniant to work. DAW crashes? no problem, the slave sits there and waits for re-connection.
My setup is 64GB on Main and 128GB on Slave. Both AMD Ryzen with lots of cores (12+12 and 8+8)and over 4GHz.
@@jazzdude7014 Thanks your input. This is valuable info. I do mention in the video a network of computer is a very good idea, but don't have that setup myself currently and there are still many benefits with just one computer, for example workflow, savingtime and less crashes and no loss of data
Cheers!
VE Pro was a game chancer for me! You just have to spend time once to set up a template.
Nice video. I just got into Vienna this week and they have the free version of Ensemble and so far I am impressed with it. I am just getting started with orchestral music, so I do not see a need for the Pro version at this time.
No need to get anything you don't need😊. And many people just have a faster computer with lots of memory. That's another way. Happy composing! Cheers!
Fantastic !!! tutorial. Thanks a lot
You're welcome!
I also agree with the alternative setup, it is indeed much simpler and it works well for me on Win11 32 Ram too. In each instance I have one Kontakt instance, I have Singel articulations of that instrument arranged by channel number, this way I can use my Keyswitches perfectly. I work in Studio One. It would be nice if it were possible to use Folders at the instances in VEP, now we can only place folders at the channels.
Nice to know it works for others as well😊
Thank you! I appreciated your tips and a very useful and practical video tutorial. Well done!
Thank you for letting me know. Cheers!
Very useful, thank you!
Brilliant tutorial!
Cheers!
Thank u the oboe sounds amazing
The oboe is one of the better things
Great video, very informative thank you!
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Wow! Thank you for this telling review! VEP is certainly on my map now! Just a matter of saving up for an actual desktop rather than using this laptop. ;-;
Yes, that is mostly better than a laptop.
Gracias.
De nada
Thank you Sam for the great Video!
Is this Epic Orchestra 2 that you use in the beginning of the video ? I believe it comes as a free addition with it?
I think it is epic orchestra that comes with the purchase
New subscriber very useful great Channel best wishes from UK England 🙏👍 phil
Welcome aboard! :)
s anyone using Halion 7 with VEP? In its standalone version there is no issue, but using it with VEP it is always claiming missing samples even if they are located where they should be, and over 42 instances of Halion in VEP, the Steinberg plug in starts to loose its saved configurations. Is it because we work on Apple M2 machines?
Great!
Thanks for watching
Interesting approach with the alternate setup. Have you tried freezing tracks or rendering in place? I wonder if this approach could solve the headaches with those features in the conventional setup.
Thank you for your input. Well, freezing or rendering is only really a solution after you have written a track entirely. Before that, you want the channel and instrument available, loaded and ready to go, because there is nothing that stops creativity more than having to load/unload tracks, or disable/enable tracks etc. But my setup works well, and vep also offers some interesting options, and some plugins can purge samples. That all helps, but I find the best way is to create a template that covers most bases, all tracks activated, and then perhaps more tracks less often used that are disabled.
Cheers
can i also rout audio to the server and back for CPU heavy effect plugins like reverbs ?
Yes
Great video! Your mic is at saturation a bit which makes earphone listening a bit fatiguing
I'm sorry. I'll look at my settings for next time
@@SecondTierSound thank you. 😎 love your video content though. So useful
he mixed exclusively for me can hear it on my ipad at 6 am when in the kitchen, sounds perfect
@@emanuel_soundtrack Hehe, I agree the mic got a little hot at times, but I am happy it worked out well for you Emanuel!
Hi, I would like to know why Vienna Ensemble Pro 7 use a lot of internet data? I have Macbook pro Master and Windwos Slave. Thanks
I don't know. I didn't know it did. I guess it is using WiFi to connect, that is probably what you see.
No, my MacBook Pro have the WiFi off. Thanks
Thanks for the vid! Just to clarify, when using VEP7 the samples are still loaded on the RAM of your computer right?
Yes, unless you use another computer.
The good thing about it is that your DAW is not "involved" so that crashes are less frequent, and saving doesn't take so long.
Do you trouble shoot a problem in VE Pro? Please answer and I would go into detail
Better talk to Vienna
I understand now. We'll talk soon 😊
How do you affect the velocity in such a crazy way. Do you have a special control keyboard?
Not sure what you mean exactly, but all midi keyboard can be adjusted. Otherwise it is all about how hard I hit the keys😊
"Pain in the" .... Haha Gotcha 😂🤠😂
😊
Hi I'm wondering: does VEP need an USB dongle always connected to work (like Cubase, I guess..)? Thx for this overview!
I would ask vsl. I'm using my dongle that comes with cubase. But i think you can use ilock as well, and there might be other options
@@SecondTierSound I got two more questions: 1. How long does VEP takes you everytime load a new big orchestral template? 2. Is there a way to load a VEP session (say in a huge template) with all instruments unloaded (actually in stand-by) waiting to be loaded up just when choosing the relative track? - something like Dynamic plugin load in Logic (I don't know in Cubase)..in that way it would be an instantaneous loading right? Thank you so much!
1. Depends on your setup. It takes a few minutes on bigger templates.
2. Depends on your instrument plugins, and isn't controller by your DAW when you use VEP. VSL instruments can be controlled by VEP this way. But you can deactivate any instrument in VEP.
Unfortunately the demo for requires a usb license key to work, without it it keeps crashing and the kontakt instruments won't play and the UI is messed up. It's 2021, who wrote this buggy licensing crap?
Sorry you have a hard time. Personally it has been really stable, but every setup is different.
Is it Apple M1 Natively Compatible?
I'm afraid i don't know. Talk to VSL😊
can i have the VEP template for OPUS sir??
My patrons enjoy those privileges 😊
Hi, Thank you for this great tutorial of VEP 7 can you please let me know how you enlarge the FX on the Mix window ? also I would like to know what kind of router did you use for two computers? Thank you again,
Do you mean enlarging the view, or actually seeing the effects? You can click and drag the corners to change the size. Actually, in this case, it is all on the same computer. A normal router should work between two computers on the same network, better with cable rather than wifi, and then you install the standalone on the other computer.
@@SecondTierSound I think that you fixed my problem becasue I was ranning in both PC and Mac the server so I need to run the standalone in my Pc and server in my Macbook pro M1. I will try when get home. Thank you very much.
Let's hope😊
Make sure to run the standalone on the server though.
@@SecondTierSound All working great now. Thank you very much
Great to hear!
Man only saving at the end of the day is risky bro