Should You Buy a BMW 4 SERIES GRAN COUPE? (Test Drive & Review 2017 420d M Sport)
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Today I'm a BMW 4 Series Gran Coupe. Let's see what it's like.
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I remember a few years back. It was a lovely summer's morning. Sun was shining, birds were chirping and there was a man in a BMW 435i convertible. I looked at him and he glanced on forward and I just thought to myself, this guy knows exactly what he's about. I had instant respect for him as he sat there in his Melbourne Red Metallic 4 series convertible with the roof down on a lovely morning. It was a stunning car.
They're great cars. I'd have one
I was busting for 3.0d G coupé a few months ago, but the boss don't like beemers! I ended up buying a E class 250 coupe with that Chesterfield burgundy leather.
Its a great 'other' choice.
Top review, yet again Matt 👍
Yep, he knew what he was about.... psychopathic narcissist, with designs on your wife (joke)
I remember Tiff drifting a 4 series on Fifth Gear using one hand & the other was out the window waving. What a complete boss
Mines a Tanzanite blue 440i, so it wasn’t me; but I know what you mean!
Absolutely love your videos Matt. Perfect way to wind down after a hard day. Glad to see your channel grow.
Matt I purchased a 420d m sport grand coupe in April on a 68 plate and I still absolutely love it. I wasn’t looking to buy 1 but stumbled across it whilst looking on line for a new car !! It looked stunning and I saved it to my favourites , but after being disillusioned to dealers just wanting the deal to suit them instead of the customer , I couldn’t refuse the offer for said car. The drive is perfect in my opinion and feels very planted and solid on the road and like yours comes with some very good added extras. Yes it’s only a 2litre turbo diesel but once in sport mode it’s got some punch when needed but fuel economy is still very good 👍. For a car I wasn’t looking for…..this is going to be a purchase I’ll enjoy for quite a few years. Keep up the good work Matt Regards Kev
I've had two 4 series 14' plate 420d mineral grey, red interior and a 17' plate 435d xdrive carbon black, oyster interior. Both very good cars with no mechanical or electrical issues. I would agree that the six cyclinder's on the 435d was a much smoother ride and the power - wow! the review is spot on. Currently driving a new MK8 GTD and would love to get back into a 4 series soon!
Over 2 years with 4 GC 430D, still love it. Have been planning to change but newer uglier 4 GC in 420i is way more expensive. Done over 73K but still feels as new as day 1. Absolutely lovely machine, good mileage, torque, space. It is just perfect.
I've had a 430i coupe for 3 years and it never fails to put a smile on my face when I drive it. It's the perfect balance between practicality and comfort while still being sporty. The back seats can carry 2 adults under 6' and the boot's a good size. The biggest improvement I made was to swap the tyres from run flats; instant reduction in road noise, got rid of the harsh ride and that's without the adaptive dampers so I would imagine with those fitted it would be an even bigger improvement. The interior whilst not the most exciting to look at is extremely well built with great ergonomics and not a single squeak or rattle. The red leather isn't as garish to look at in real life as it looks on camera. I also looked at the C Class couple which although looks more upmarket on the inside doesn't actually feel that classy once you start touching and prodding the materials. I had a remap put on mine so it's pushing close to 300hp now which has made a difference to not only performance but also economy, I'm averaging 40.5mpg. It really has been a pleasure to own the car and I'd highly recommend test driving one if you are in the market for a car like this.
What type of driving are you doing to get that fuel economy? I averaged 27mpg in my 325i with most of that on the motorway.
@@gw7624 mixed driving, probably 60% motorway. I was getting around 36 before I remapped it but saw a decent improvement afterwards. Obviously this is driving with a light right foot and only gunning it when I really need to. If I thrash it all the time I can soon see it drop to low 30s. I think the B48 is an under rated engine because its only a 4 pot, it might not have the sound we all love with the B58 but with the way fuel prices are these days I'm glad I didn't get the 440i as I think with the remap giving near 300hp its more than adequate for roads.
When I worked for BMW and we went over there to work for a while we got one of these as a hire car, I absolutely loved it, I don’t think anybody walked away thinking it was crappy
Have one of these 420D GC's in M-Sport trim like this, Absolutely love it! Thanks for doing a video on it, great as always 👌
Bought one of the last GC 420d M Sport models new in 2020.
Rides extremely well, excellent mpg, acceleration very linear and just keep pulling - more than enough for general use. Excellent auto-box, and the BMW steering wheel is an absolute joy to hold.
Downsides: a touch gruff on start up and in first gear, but into second and through the box becomes silky-smooth and quiet. Surprising that the door mirrors don’t fold in so you’re always a bit concerned in a car park or worried they’ll get knocked off if street parking, and bear in mind you sit much lower down than you might think in one of these - that would be seen as a positive for some, a pain for others. It’s a personal preference thing but it’s worth pointing out as not many reviewers mention this and if it’s an issue to you it might be best to look elsewhere. Hope that helps.
Tell you what Matt, every time I start daydreaming about my next car I RUclips it and you have done a video on it. And I know it’s going to tell me everything I need to know about the car in a clear and funny easy to watch way. Soon you’ll be the go to on every ‘normal’ secondhand car review, more so than carwow or top gear. Keep up the hard work mate. Have a great 2023
As a fellow late 20’s man making good money and having a gym membership with a BMW 4 series, I approve with everything said about this car review haha
Great review 👍
AGREE)))
Nice bro how much do you make?
He’s never late 20s
Are you an accountant though?
How much do U make and what do u dob
After your review of a 530GT last year , I treated myself to a luxury car for the 1st time BMW 630dGT and love it ,auto box , digital dash, never had these things before, to me its like an event every time I drive it ,the only thing I disagree on, I love the electronic brake with the auto hold function, it makes it so easy to drive, great reviews as always.
Great review, mines a 420d in Carbon black (completely agree with you on it being the best colour) with the white dacota leather interior. The car's great on fuel, comfy, smart and the list goes on.
Had a 430D for two years. Only shares one body panel with the 3 series. Beautiful car and cheap to run, once, using Ecopro I managed 63.4 mpg. Should have kept it.
I just bought a 2018 420d m sport similar to this one, thanks for the review really helped make up my mind prior to buying.
My 420d GC is by far the best car I've ever owned. Great for any journey and averages 55mpg, even after a Superchips re map. It was perfect for moving my daughter's stuff to Uni and pretty handy around Thruxton too. 😁
Interested in this, how fast before and after the remap ?
Hi Matt. Like you I love big 4 door 6 cylinder BMWs. I remember My dad buying an 6months old ex demo 1991 525i. Fantastic was and understatement I used to “borrow” it and would slide the arse out on many a big roundabout. Such fun. I think the 6 cylinder petrol is a great engine and to all those who say it uses too much fuel, they really need to enjoy life more and inject some fun in to their sad life. This review made smile that BMW can still give you that experience!! Take care. .
Recently sold my wife’s 435d GC xdrive which had the same spec as the GC in the video, apart from all the stick on bits on the outside.
Absolutely great car, engine was immense and the car was a riot on a cold morning with cold tires. I was pleased to hear you liked the car as we would have another in a heartbeat.
Something have always liked about BMW is cruise control on the steering wheel, should be standard on all cars. Really hate those cruise stalks behind the steering wheel.
I have that feature in my Mazda 6 2003, and zero problems, lol
I have this on the steering wheel in my FK8, with lane keep assist.
Some have it on the central console which is also way to far. Agree about it. Drop by budy. :)
I've got the same in my insignia vauxhall
I bought this earlier in the week. Pick it up in a few days time. 420d 2018 snapper rocks blue with beige interior. Looks absolutely stunning.
Thanks to this review specifically!
Best colour combination imo! I’ve put a deposit down on one exactly the same! Enjoying it?
Great review Matt and like a few of the other comments, I stumbled across the 4 series GC while looking for a new family car that had great looks, power but was practical. Bought my 15 428i GC, 4 years ago and it's a great daily car. The only challenge with owning the 428i is that it has the N20 engine which has a few major flaws (valve seal being the main one) and all have gone wrong on mine, most covered by warranty thankfully. Love driving the GC.
I have a 430d GC - best car I've ever owned. Fast, fun to drive (RWD), cheap to run, and managed to move house in it! Incredible workhorse.
Another great review Matt. Your spot on about DCT problems. BMW have gone back to the ZF box on new M3 & M4's.Have a great Christmas & thanks again for top entertainment all year.
The 4 series Gran Coupe is a 4 door version of a 2 door version of the 3 series, what a mindfuckk..
Hahaha yes exactly!
One of the side benefits from your videos is watching the Peak District scenery as you drive along. Unfortunately not today with that fog. You make great videos and a consistently entertaining style in your delivery.
I have a 2016 pearl black Msport 420d with cream leather and can only endorse everything Matt says about it. Fantastic all rounder....just a real pleasure to drive every day and around 60mpg on my commute. On 115k now and doesn't miss a beat with no rattles.
Picking up my 2021 420i Gran Coupe petrol today with just over 4k miles on it and really enjoyed (and relieved) with this positive review Matt. Am also an accountant and will take this opportunity now to apologise for all those Monday mornings. Will try to do better! Excellent video as always!
How you getting on with it , collecting a 2020 with 8k miles soon
Got a BMW 3 series but some of the 4 Series Gran coupe builds I've seen are absolutely stunning
Always enjoy your stuff, but as a 530d M Sport, I always especially love your BMW stuff. This vlog makes me think maybe 435d next time. And you’re so right about bartholemew service departments! Absolute knobs! Merry Christmas 🎄
Strong jack of all trades car this. Someone at work has one in mineral grey and I always admire it briefly when I’m crossing the car park.
I picked up a pre-owned 2019 440i Gran Coupe and absolutely love the car. It’s perfect in size and the B58 engine is perfect. This is a very fun car to drive.
I have a BMW 220i which is a smaller 4 series, with 2 doors only. It’s an absolute dream. Yes my servicing bills are a tad higher than a typical car but it’s worth it. Getting from A to B is fun. Every time I drive someone else’s car I miss mine.
Yes - looks like the sort of car a cad or a bounder might drive. That red/black colour combo is great - my favourite City away kit of all time.
Got a 435d GC two weeks ago, wow it’s quick… love the sound as well. Makes a cracking family car, even the travel sick prone children love it, say it is much better than the A6 it replaced
I did 247k miles in my 520d. Fab workhorse. Sold it earlier this year... still going strong, and with prices the way they are now, I wish I had waited. It owed me nothing. Great reviewed Matt, I like these.
It owed you road taxes and insurance every month, which is more than the appreciation rate per month.
@@The_Noticer. I just laughed my own lung outside, you don't know his insurance prices some people pay 300 bucks a year to drive a bmw because they have experience, road tax for 4 series is like 30 a year, I think you never owned a car in you're own life. lololol
@@ItZFlipz You laugh because I can't imply his road taxes, yet you do the same thing. Here in NL, diesels are extremely expensive to own. Like 175-200 euro per month in road taxes alone for this one in particular. Try not flying off the handle next time, so you dont embarass yourself like this. Cretin.
I really love the 4 Series Gran Coupé. It's the perfect BMW in my opinion, and you can get a good diesel version with all the BMW quality for 20k in my experience.
Would agree, but it is hard to find it. :) Drop by buddy.
Been waiting for this video since you posted it on your insta, sick video matt
Hope you enjoyed it!
I was hoping you had reviewed this car - awesome! 👍👍👍
2 years ago in lockdown I was looking for this 4 series but with xdrive it looked great with the boot space I needed !
Anyway a 3 series GT 2.0 came up with 40k on the clock and got to say not had one complaint not everybody’s cup of tea but when that rear spoiler comes out of the boot at 64mph still gives me a thrill ,
Nice review Matt keep them coming …..
I’ve never had a 3GT
I also have a 3 series GT. Think it could be fun to have you review that model. Many of the things you say you love about the 4 series, you also find in the 3GT. 👍
Im lovin it might go on my shoping list ........ great review by the way matt love your content no over excited presenting its all about the cars and the info you need ...... the way it should be
Thanks!
I drive 2014 F30 335d Msport and im more then happy with its looks and performance, fantastic car.
Great video mat! Thank you for the grat content, i just want to add that the 430 petrol is a 4- cylinder, cheers!
Always enjoy your reviews,today very envious in my Corolla still in Thailand.
My Wife had one of these as a company car for four years. Asides from a recall (I think) on the EGR valve, it gave no trouble at all, averaging between 800 and 1K miles per week. Agree with everything you say about the refinement ride and comfort, and the hatch really does help with practicality. Ours was in mineral grey with beige leather, your slaughterhouse interior looks better with white! 🤣👍
Good review as usual.
Christ Steve that's a lot of driving!
@@jamj59 Yes, it was a crazy amount, all over the country and in Europe. She loved it, I just wished it was the 6 cylinder though...I loved the range it had though, its replacement is an X1 25e, nice but an 8 gallon petrol tank vs the Gran Coupe diesel, I see more frequent fuel stops in our future...
what does she do for work to get this car if you don’t mind me asking?
@@joc9275 Travel! 😁
I frickin love the humour slightly creeping in on these reviews.
Have a 440i and it's fantastic. Particularly with the Harmon Kardon speakers which are very good. I just try not to watch the petrol gauge visibly moving down in Sport mode
Great stuff again, Matt. I spluttered with laughter at your comment on headroom. Charles l or Anne Boleyn 🤣
As one who bought a then four year old 2012 520d with 75k miles on, I can confirm that getting them over 150k is easy. I've had it over 5 years now, and still love it. Only thing I'd change it for is one with a 6 cylinder engine (either petrol or diesel) and memory seats
One of the last proper BMWs for a while now.
I think the new 5 series looks great, personally
BRILLIANT! Not only can you tailgate and undertake in this car - you can also pull off handbrake skids!!!
My dad had one of those when I was younger in 2017. 420d auto cause he did lots of miles… I really liked it
Good choice
took my bmw for a service and they gave me one of these for the day while mine was getting done. i didnt want to give it back. was one of the best handling cars iv ever driven. beautiful car.
Very nice!
Your lucky. They gave me a Z4 and I have a headache from banging my head on the roof getting in 🤪. Can't wait to give it back tomorrow.
@@drivetrain1746 i know what you mean. i have an x3 and getting in and out that 4 series was comical. like sitting on the floor.
@@shiTthebed86 I have a M5 which is pretty low to be fair but the Z4 is on another level...Quite literally. Would be fine in Summer I guess with the roof down for the head room but I struggle to get out of it as it's so low 😄
I was in love with the 4Gran Coupe for a while when it first came out
At 64 nearly 65, I am looking at getting a 4 series Grand Coupe 435D x drive with Red or Cream interior.
So that’s the kudos of twenty somethings destroyed.
That in black looks a stunner. Deffo get rid of the gaudy stickers though. Great review Matt.
Had one of these, in Alpine white with cognac leather (bit niche but I liked it) Low roof, black headlining, pillar-less doors. Unlike the 330i that replaced it I often found myself looking back it at when I walked away. Something that can’t be said of the 3 series. Great driving car and felt a little bit different/special.
I have just brought a 2014 gran coupe 420d luxury in imperial blue with oyster leather interior. I did look at an msport but the luxury had additional sunroof, gun metal grey multi spoke holidays and the professional sat nav and those things swung it for me. Very impressed with the car. I am usually a 5 series guy but was looking for something not so big, not really a fan of the 3 series and then I saw this review and thought yeah why not. Oh yeah, I like the xdrive which seems to grip well
I had a black 2015 plate Gran Coupe 420D M Sport. It was a great car. In 2019 changed it for 430D x Drive coupe. Great car the perfect blend of performance and economy. It's better on fuel than my 420D. I agree don't just use supermarket fuel. I am not sold on the new shape so my next car will need to be something else.
Great review as always, I do like the 4 series but have to disagree with the red interior and my. Main gripe with bms is I find the interiors boring. Outside its a cracking car and much better car than the 3 series especially the coupe.
I’ve got a 430i GC, the hatchback is absolutely awesome compared to a 3 series saloon. You can whack dogs in it, carry furniture, etc - It loads more like an estate. Really practical. Note the 430i is only a 4 cylinder, unfortunately.
Great timing on the review from a personal perspective, as a grand coupe 420d or 430d is currently top of my list for next car, maybe early next year Matt. 18 months ago I'd get a 19reg 420d for about 26k in UK, now the same age I'm looking at 30k to get a really nice one with sub 10k milage, as I want digital dials and m sport plus pack, larger wheels etc. Bit of a promotion gift to myself 🤣 do you see the market settling anytime soon Matt? Or just continuing the way it is? Merry Christmas BTW 👌
I don’t normally like most car customisations they normally make cars look to chavvy but what’s been done to that (like the grille) looks really good! Another great video and agree with what you can see the car doing 😂.
As a late 20s male, who makes good money, works out and has lots of “casual acquaintances” this is now my favorite review. Picking up my 2015 435i gran coupe tomorrow
Haha well done. Enjoy
I have a 2018 one of these, and the main reasons for swapping this from an A4, was the xdrive and folding rear seats as stanard, unlike the 3 series which charges for folding rear seats. Plus it looks much better than the three series,
Totally agree, 3 series looks boring in comparison. My neighbour has the 3 series and parks behind me and each time I see them parked up, I get a smile on my face 😀
I love my bmw 5 series my only gripe with it is the rubber controls for adaptive cruise control they should be metal as they wear out really easily.
I bought a 2016 435d 2 door and it's an absolute beast 😎 and in normal mode it does have a really nice comfortable ride for about town then everything tightens up when in sport 👍🔥🔥 fantastic car and amazingly I'm getting 45mpg on average....not bad with it mapped to just under 400bhp! That's insane as my 2.2d Mazda 3 was getting the same lol
I've got a 2016 435d gran coupe and I'm lucky if I get 35mpg in eco mode.
But the power in sport though is unbelievable and the launch control WOW
@@W0nka76 I'm mostly in comfort going to work and back so I would say I'm at least 80 motorway miles and possibly the stage 1 remap has made a difference as I'm quite surprised at the mpg for such a powerful car....some cars mate that's for sure 😎🔥🔥🔥
Love these videos. So well presented and hilarious.
Thanks!
I've had 2 of these... a 435d and now a 440i, both GC. I adore them. Great practicality and I personally think they're gorgeous. The newer ones look hideous. I have no "casual acquaintances" to speak of, however. :(
That new, what were they thinking. I’ll stick with my 440
@@robi6659 Right? Absolutely hideous. And not any better in person.
Great cars if with proper servicing. Drop by buddy.
i think the new ones look amazing
@@maxmorris4562 I can't say I agree sadly, I don't like any new BMW designs really. The new 2 is OK, but prefer the older one. I WISH it didn't bother me, but it does. I'd still have a new M3 Touring though. That is 100% my dream car. But definitely not a good looking car imo.
I had the GC and the Coupe. Loved them both, both were x drive. Dealt with snow and ice with aplomb, such a good feeling driving past c class and e class drivers stuck in the snow. Agree with you on the BMW dealers, such pricks. Apart from Bowker Blackburn who were ok. Thanks for the review.
Lovely car, 435d is the proper model to have, economical fast and enough torque to tow the QE2, another great review dude, keep them coming…
How would you say it is economical, what mpg do you get around town and motorway?
@@LyricalWax mid 30’s to low 40’s from my 335d. Not as economical as the 20d engine obviously but extremely good bearing in mind the power there
Disagree, without doubt the proper model is the 440i m sport!!
The economy you get for the performance is unbelievable, and while the 440i is nice you can’t get a better performance diesel than the 435d xdrive! I picked mine over an M4 and I have no regrets, it’s the ultimate sleeper car for those who don’t know what the 35+ models are about (which turns out there’s a lot of)
Get 430d mapped stage 1, much cheaper alternative than buying 435d.
I’ve been looking at one of these as I’d like something sporty, but need four doors to transport my old folks around. I’ve noticed that on the second hand market, it’s not such a big price jump from a 420 to a 430 model (if you want a bit more shove). You are absolutely right about BMW main dealers too.
A lot more shove
I have parents too and it’s not the best car for them as it’s a bit low- slightly higher car would be better for that
I picked up a 435i even with four doors it's such a beautiful piece definitely looks special . Now I'm. Hunting the m4 but won't let the 435i go giving smaller cars a run for the money
Love your Content 👍 think you should give the w212 another crack of the whip, that prefacelift E200 SE did the chassis no justice!
I’m about to hit 120k miles in my 16 plate 420d gran coupé and it still drives brilliantly - feels like it has another 60k in it at least! Fantastic car.
Just bought this car yesterday and I am loving it :)
Enjoy it
Great review, love that red interior!
Love my 420D GC. Easy to drive, comfortable, great on fuel and safe for my family.
Picked up a 420dGC about 3 months back and couldn’t be happier, was looking at the 5 but there wasn’t a configuration to match the 4GC, looks, practicality, drive, brilliant, totally agree with the review! 👏, not sure on the spec reviewed though, mine is an //M but blue with ivory, I think black with red and those aftermarket lip spoilers is a bit much ha
Totally agree and pretty much same here although bought it 7 months ago.
Went for black with black int. as that was the colour available with my preferred spec and price, but would've preferred blue perhaps. Anyway cracking car and couldn't be happier with it.
@@LyricalWax black on black is nice, just not the red ha, my girlfriend has black on black 2door, the Msport+ which is a great looking car, esp the bigger diamond cut 19” wheels 👌
Finally, my car!
Edit: so happy to hear your great review, I totally agree with it and love this car so much haha
I absolutely love a stripe, lawn, rear footwell mats, it matters not. Please thank your valeter for an unexpected touch of class. 😉
Love mine, and this can hopefully only help keep prices high !
I really wanted a 4gc two years ago, however they were another £4/5k extra than the F10 5 series…so I got my F10.
Coming up for third year on and nothing is wrong with it. Bought at 69k miles and now on 111k.
Been serviced on time (or early) and run on standard shell as well as vpower.
It’s the same engine as what is in this 4 series, 190hp so it’s quick enough and I’ve had up to 69mpg on a long run with shell vpower, average around 63 mpg on normal motorway conditions and around 40-50 mixed.
Nice car I think I would go for it in the future. Thank you
Black out look. Coral red leather. Reminds me of Deansgate Mcr. When a BMW looked like a BMW.
6:56 430i is also 2.0 petrol engine, it’s not 6cyl.
As always great review!
When did the B47 start on the Grand coupè 420D?
The 320d is the F30 LCI and automatically distinguishable with the updated Headlight/ DRL and Tail light.
3 Series coupe is perfect size for me, single dad with one teenage child. Got the 3 litre petrol with 272 bhp so it can be as heavy as it wants.
As usual a fantastic informative review with laughts thrown in, I only really discovered these whilst looking at 3 series, they are a realy step up in looks. I have a seen a 2017 435d x drive which looks mint, do all the GC come with the Hk sound system ? They seem too. I am bothered though about the security of them, i hate keyless and want a way to disable it constantly transmitting. I know faraday bags help but the key should nto be so vulnerable. Great work though keep up the information.
You’re so entertaining. What a legend.
I have had a few BMW s in the 3 series lots of trouble with them, but a fantastic place to be when you are on the road when they working fine, very comfy :) easy to like when they work fine, but I do not go back and get me one :))
In my opinion I believe the best BMW 3 series was E46 era. Whether it was a sedan, convertible or coupe model all of them were stunning. Matter of fact I am looking to buy one that goes along with my E53 X5. BMW rocks!
Yes cracking cars. Very good looking and the 435d Msport would be my pick. I looked at these but the 640d Msport was so much more car and not that much more expensive so I got that . 👍🏻
Betteridge's law states, that when there is a question in a headline, as you do constantly; the answer is "no". And it applies in your situation as well
I have the 435d iX Convertible. I disagree about the value of XDrive, as I find 4WD with Michelin CrossClimate tyres make it a great all rounder. I love the huge 6-cylinder torque, reasonable mg and surprisingly good ride comfort. The most surprising aspect is how utterly solid I feels with the roof down. I too have the red leather which suits the car well.
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Real head turner. Myself also not a 3 Series fan, since there are just TOO many on the roads, besides being cramped on the inside and quite bulky when parked inside a smallish garage.
Well done. Looking for this as my next car. All modern diesels have their weak spots. Thumb up.
430D GC owner, my EGR got a coolant leak at 30k miles! Once fixed, no other issues
I had a 2016 420d m sport gran coupe and loved it. Very practical, great on the motorway and a really good looking car. Another child meant I swapped it for g31 530d which is also great. If I was getting another I may opt for the 440i as they go and sound great. Good vid!
I just purchased one myself, great fun in sports mode.
Enjoy it
One of those Banana BMWs was hooning up behind me in the dusk 2 nights ago ...
No lights, and flying past doing 60 in a 30 zone, with a Focus ST glued to its derriere.
This is when we all need 007 Cannons in the front bumper. Was it you Matt?