Overall an interesting discussion, except for one thing: this continued fanciful insistence by Scherl on poor training and low morale amongst Russian forces. He states that the Russians chose a positional defence partially because manoeuvre defence requires better training, which they supposedly don't have. Apparently he choses to ignore the successful Russian manoeuvre defence at Kharkov and Kherson, two battles which illustrate why the Russians then switched to positional defence: manoeuvre defence requires being able to give up ground. Russia had used as much space as they were willing to give up. More would have threatened the security of Crimea, and the continuity of Russian lines. So it becomes perfectly obvious that positional defence was now the correct choice. The presentation by Stiedl further illustrates the inadequacy of Scherl's arrogant claim, since we see that the battle for the outpost line is conducted primarily through manoeuvre defence, and it was within the outpost line that Ukrainian attacks were all stopped. Thus, evidently Russians are quite capable of manoeuvre defence, since even in their positional defence posture, it was primarily manoeuvre defence that stopped the AFU. I am not surprised that t was the operations research officer who made the most sense. This is where the hard science part of military science is, and is something all Russian staff officers study. If you expect to excel in war, you would do best to spend more time studying this, the calculus of war, and less on arrogant assumptions of superiority that sound eerily reminiscent of 75 years ago.
Exactly! Most of these arrogant officers haven’t even seen a real combat before and even if they’ve seen it, not this magnitude. No western military has ever been in such wars before and we’re yet to see how they’d fare against the Russians, yet instead of learning the lesson, they prefer to dwell on the textbook and military drills 😂. Once an artillery flies on your head, you’d forget all these textbooks presentation and arrogance 😂😂😂
Mostly agree. Never underestimate your enemy, but realize he will be scared too. I believe this was always true and always will be so...even if the conditions, methodology and the technology change?
He is a useless NATO trained muppet, with no clue at all about a REAL WAR, "teaching" some poor cadets something the ukrainians ditched from first month as "useless BS". The arrogant idiot not even mention the first phrase, the Ukr instructors tell to the recruits who return home from NATO "training" : "forget all they teach you, or you will die in first day".
@@michaelfaraday8391 indeed, everytime listening to these ‘doctrines’ and textbook-blahblah the arrogance is very exposed. Military people can be drilled to get a foundation needed in battle, but instinct and experience must be in front. I was only a long time ago in the army by law at a certain age. Not that much doctrines learned but a lot of procedures handling communication, encryption on the battlefield and weapon handling. Senior officars who have experience in a real battlefield are our teachers. But listing to this text is also interesting how to understand on what reason our officares giving some orders to us and why.. Mostly depending on communications with the calculators defining the critical points on the field. Our most dangerous task was to move as low as possible under a rain of bullets. Very very very fear situation even deadly if something goes wrong
These Austrian officers did a god job analyzing Russian's defense operation but maintained their biased belief in the poor morale of the Russian soldiers and the rigidity of Russian centrally planned command structure. They are therefore doomed to fail in a future conflict with the Russians.
Correct. Furthermore; Austria is wrong to put her trust in the west because the west is doomed. Europe has forgotten God and Europe therefore is on the road to perdition.
Most of these guys haven’t seen real combat before so their knowledge is based on what’s written and military drills at best. When they speak to the Ukrainians anonymously they’d understand how good the Russians are.
@@michaelfaraday8391 true that. I have heard many say that as soon as we move up to their positions, they are not there any more. That to me sounds like a feingth flight tactical manueuver, maybe it is a manueuver which they could have mentioned.
@@bogdanobradovic7621they avoid taking heavy losses by retreating. While Ukraine loses so many soldiers because they try to hold positions when they’re overwhelmed.
Read Samuel B. Griffith "How Great Generals Win" the chapter Russian Mentality. He has a great insight into how Russia fights wars, and so far his writings have been fairly accurate with the war in Ukraine.
being the stay behind reserve must be some of the scariest roles in the war. your lines just got caught off and you are hiding out in a basement somewhere waiting to pop out.
No fighting morale of Russian soldiers? I can't judge, not really. But I do know one thing - soldiers don't fight “well” for ideologies, political goals. They only really fight for their homeland, their families - for me that makes the difference in the fighting morale of the “attacker” versus the defenders - as history shows - WW II, Vietnam, Afghanistan, etc.
the terror attacks on Russian soil and the invasion of Kursk has completely fixed any morale problems the Russian army may have had in 2022. it's a totally different military force now with great reserves of confidence in its industry and its political leadership.
I would say that in terms of training it varies depending on the unit, and morale is higher on the Russian side just based on huge amounts of desertions in the Ukrainian army. This is normal since the side that’s winning generally has a better morale. I do agree that the centralized control is indeed a weakness. Russians fight like they play chess, every move has to be coordinated and fit perfectly into the plan which necessitates centralized control. However, that creates problems when communications are lost as the units have difficulty acting on their own initiative. This can cause a unit to adopt a static defensive posture or simply withdraw.
Вы хотите преуспеть в наступательной войне с Россией? Значит нам придется дополнить имеющиеся а вас памятники Т-34 памятниками т-90. Короткая память-ваша проблема!
Its funny how all western military knows all and still cant stop Russia 😂 The fact is that the Ukrainan army is far better than any western and still looses to Russia 😂
Warum treten Österreicher auf Englisch auf? Dies ist eine Frage der Unabhängigkeit des Landes und des Volkes. Hier erzählte Putin, wie an einem Feiertag in Deutschland verschiedene Gruppen sangen, darunter auch Mädchen aus Hannover - und alles auf Englisch. Putin schämte sich für die Deutschen. Nur eine Gruppe sang auf Deutsch - der russische Kosakenchor, den Putin zu diesem Feiertag mitgebracht hatte. Dann fragte Putin, woher sie dieses Lied auf Deutsch kannten - ihm wurde gesagt, dass die Kosaken dieses Lied aus Respekt vor den Deutschen unterwegs gelernt hätten. Vielleicht ist es für die Österreicher an der Zeit, über die Unabhängigkeit ihres Landes nachzudenken?
TMAF 2024 ist ein internationaler Forum von militar-wissenschaftler aus vielen Landern. Daher werden die Beitrage in Deutsch oder vorwiegend in English vorgetragen. Das ist bei einer internationalen Veranstaltung eingach so, ich weiss nicht ob Sie sich schon selber an solchen Foren teilgenommen haben.
@@_Igor_PopkovYes, it does. Talking to people who can't understand your words is senseless, the same held true btw for your little Putin-fairytale ;-) In Putins nationalist fever-dream of Russia, this is of course ignored - because egocentrism is a bliss there.
@@JonasKrl-h3e This is a pathetic excuse, because not only at this meeting, but also in the EU, everything is done in English. And England is not even a member of the EU - your politicians speak the language of a country that is foreign to them. "Putin's nationalist fever" I don't know what you mean by these words. In Russian, a "nationalist" is a skinhead, a budding Nazi who already beats people, but has not yet started burning them in ovens. In English, it is a synonym for citizenship. But you seem to be Polish, so I don't know what Google translated with these words. There is no Nazism in Russia, because all the Nazis that were there have long since fled to Ukraine and are now serving in its army. We also know that Poland supplies mercenaries to Ukraine in the tens of thousands (there were more than 10 thousand casualties alone 1.5 years ago). We know that Poland began tearing down monuments to those who defeated Hitler long before it became fashionable. We also know that the Poles were Hitler's allies, exterminated Jews even in places where the Germans did not reach, and in 1920 committed genocide against Russian prisoners of war. And now I read something about Nazism from a Pole who supports the Nazis of Ukraine. One of my acquaintances from Kazakhstan says "it happens" in such a situation. So I will say: it happens.
Biased and misleading ... I bet he thinks Enemy at the Gates was how Russia conducted battles in ww2. Very disappointing to think someone across the pond would have a functioning higher IQ brain but instead might as well have Gordon Ramsay scream at him this question after placing two pieces of bread over his ears: Ramsay- "WHO ARE YOU!!??!!????!!!!" This guy - "I'm an idiot sandwich"
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Overall an interesting discussion, except for one thing: this continued fanciful insistence by Scherl on poor training and low morale amongst Russian forces. He states that the Russians chose a positional defence partially because manoeuvre defence requires better training, which they supposedly don't have. Apparently he choses to ignore the successful Russian manoeuvre defence at Kharkov and Kherson, two battles which illustrate why the Russians then switched to positional defence: manoeuvre defence requires being able to give up ground. Russia had used as much space as they were willing to give up. More would have threatened the security of Crimea, and the continuity of Russian lines. So it becomes perfectly obvious that positional defence was now the correct choice. The presentation by Stiedl further illustrates the inadequacy of Scherl's arrogant claim, since we see that the battle for the outpost line is conducted primarily through manoeuvre defence, and it was within the outpost line that Ukrainian attacks were all stopped. Thus, evidently Russians are quite capable of manoeuvre defence, since even in their positional defence posture, it was primarily manoeuvre defence that stopped the AFU.
I am not surprised that t was the operations research officer who made the most sense. This is where the hard science part of military science is, and is something all Russian staff officers study. If you expect to excel in war, you would do best to spend more time studying this, the calculus of war, and less on arrogant assumptions of superiority that sound eerily reminiscent of 75 years ago.
Exactly! Most of these arrogant officers haven’t even seen a real combat before and even if they’ve seen it, not this magnitude. No western military has ever been in such wars before and we’re yet to see how they’d fare against the Russians, yet instead of learning the lesson, they prefer to dwell on the textbook and military drills 😂. Once an artillery flies on your head, you’d forget all these textbooks presentation and arrogance 😂😂😂
Mostly agree. Never underestimate your enemy, but realize he will be scared too. I believe this was always true and always will be so...even if the conditions, methodology and the technology change?
He is a useless NATO trained muppet, with no clue at all about a REAL WAR, "teaching" some poor cadets something the ukrainians ditched from first month as "useless BS". The arrogant idiot not even mention the first phrase, the Ukr instructors tell to the recruits who return home from NATO "training" : "forget all they teach you, or you will die in first day".
@@michaelfaraday8391 indeed, everytime listening to these ‘doctrines’ and textbook-blahblah the arrogance is very exposed. Military people can be drilled to get a foundation needed in battle, but instinct and experience must be in front. I was only a long time ago in the army by law at a certain age. Not that much doctrines learned but a lot of procedures handling communication, encryption on the battlefield and weapon handling. Senior officars who have experience in a real battlefield are our teachers. But listing to this text is also interesting how to understand on what reason our officares giving some orders to us and why.. Mostly depending on communications with the calculators defining the critical points on the field. Our most dangerous task was to move as low as possible under a rain of bullets. Very very very fear situation even deadly if something goes wrong
Well said, frankly the arrogance doesn’t surprise me, but it’s disturbing nonetheless
Man. today Ukranian ad russian veterans are the most skilled guys in actual modern war.
These Austrian officers did a god job analyzing Russian's defense operation but maintained their biased belief in the poor morale of the Russian soldiers and the rigidity of Russian centrally planned command structure. They are therefore doomed to fail in a future conflict with the Russians.
Correct. Furthermore; Austria is wrong to put her trust in the west because the west is doomed. Europe has forgotten God and Europe therefore is on the road to perdition.
No, comrade. No bucket of Wodka for you.
@@alsanchez5038 You're too predictable.
Russian soldiers have low morale? Do not assume such things, especially if this is a weakness that the "neutral" Austria wants to exploit.
what do you want him banned from YT for saying otherwise?
@@ДенисВиноградов-г7ч - YT will be a lot better if individuals like this, full of BS, and vomiting lies, in order to brainwash peoples...
Most of these guys haven’t seen real combat before so their knowledge is based on what’s written and military drills at best. When they speak to the Ukrainians anonymously they’d understand how good the Russians are.
@@michaelfaraday8391 true that. I have heard many say that as soon as we move up to their positions, they are not there any more. That to me sounds like a feingth flight tactical manueuver, maybe it is a manueuver which they could have mentioned.
@@bogdanobradovic7621they avoid taking heavy losses by retreating. While Ukraine loses so many soldiers because they try to hold positions when they’re overwhelmed.
Read Samuel B. Griffith "How Great Generals Win" the chapter Russian Mentality. He has a great insight into how Russia fights wars, and so far his writings have been fairly accurate with the war in Ukraine.
Is this book by Griffith or Bevan Alexander?
being the stay behind reserve must be some of the scariest roles in the war. your lines just got caught off and you are hiding out in a basement somewhere waiting to pop out.
The Canadians perfected the rolling artillery at Vimy Ridge.
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Gruss aus der Schweiz 🇨🇭 René
Didnt the allies say that Germany shouldnt ever again have possibility to attack any country??
No fighting morale of Russian soldiers? I can't judge, not really. But I do know one thing - soldiers don't fight “well” for ideologies, political goals. They only really fight for their homeland, their families - for me that makes the difference in the fighting morale of the “attacker” versus the defenders - as history shows - WW II, Vietnam, Afghanistan, etc.
have you see those canadian male generals in canada I think that wear skirts??
Gar ned gwusst das de halbe Botpopulation vo Russland doher gfundn hot.
the terror attacks on Russian soil and the invasion of Kursk has completely fixed any morale problems the Russian army may have had in 2022. it's a totally different military force now with great reserves of confidence in its industry and its political leadership.
lol
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I would say that in terms of training it varies depending on the unit, and morale is higher on the Russian side just based on huge amounts of desertions in the Ukrainian army. This is normal since the side that’s winning generally has a better morale.
I do agree that the centralized control is indeed a weakness. Russians fight like they play chess, every move has to be coordinated and fit perfectly into the plan which necessitates centralized control. However, that creates problems when communications are lost as the units have difficulty acting on their own initiative. This can cause a unit to adopt a static defensive posture or simply withdraw.
Вы хотите преуспеть в наступательной войне с Россией? Значит нам придется дополнить имеющиеся а вас памятники Т-34 памятниками т-90. Короткая память-ваша проблема!
Why you reseaech when you know Russia would decimate Austra ..be normal Wienna is last hole on pipe
Its funny how all western military knows all and still cant stop Russia 😂
The fact is that the Ukrainan army is far better than any western and still looses to Russia 😂
Gruss aus dem Russland
national defence academy on losing
Warum treten Österreicher auf Englisch auf?
Dies ist eine Frage der Unabhängigkeit des Landes und des Volkes.
Hier erzählte Putin, wie an einem Feiertag in Deutschland verschiedene Gruppen sangen, darunter auch Mädchen aus Hannover - und alles auf Englisch. Putin schämte sich für die Deutschen. Nur eine Gruppe sang auf Deutsch - der russische Kosakenchor, den Putin zu diesem Feiertag mitgebracht hatte. Dann fragte Putin, woher sie dieses Lied auf Deutsch kannten - ihm wurde gesagt, dass die Kosaken dieses Lied aus Respekt vor den Deutschen unterwegs gelernt hätten.
Vielleicht ist es für die Österreicher an der Zeit, über die Unabhängigkeit ihres Landes nachzudenken?
TMAF 2024 ist ein internationaler Forum von militar-wissenschaftler aus vielen Landern. Daher werden die Beitrage in Deutsch oder vorwiegend in English vorgetragen. Das ist bei einer internationalen Veranstaltung eingach so, ich weiss nicht ob Sie sich schon selber an solchen Foren teilgenommen haben.
@@ThangTran-bj4we
Just because an event is international does not mean it has to be in English.
@@_Igor_PopkovYes, it does. Talking to people who can't understand your words is senseless, the same held true btw for your little Putin-fairytale ;-)
In Putins nationalist fever-dream of Russia, this is of course ignored - because egocentrism is a bliss there.
Nettes Märchen.
@@JonasKrl-h3e
This is a pathetic excuse, because not only at this meeting, but also in the EU, everything is done in English. And England is not even a member of the EU - your politicians speak the language of a country that is foreign to them.
"Putin's nationalist fever"
I don't know what you mean by these words. In Russian, a "nationalist" is a skinhead, a budding Nazi who already beats people, but has not yet started burning them in ovens.
In English, it is a synonym for citizenship. But you seem to be Polish, so I don't know what Google translated with these words.
There is no Nazism in Russia, because all the Nazis that were there have long since fled to Ukraine and are now serving in its army.
We also know that Poland supplies mercenaries to Ukraine in the tens of thousands (there were more than 10 thousand casualties alone 1.5 years ago). We know that Poland began tearing down monuments to those who defeated Hitler long before it became fashionable. We also know that the Poles were Hitler's allies, exterminated Jews even in places where the Germans did not reach, and in 1920 committed genocide against Russian prisoners of war. And now I read something about Nazism from a Pole who supports the Nazis of Ukraine. One of my acquaintances from Kazakhstan says "it happens" in such a situation. So I will say: it happens.
lol keep dreaming, him talking, he have never been in that battle ground 😂😂
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Biased and misleading ... I bet he thinks Enemy at the Gates was how Russia conducted battles in ww2. Very disappointing to think someone across the pond would have a functioning higher IQ brain but instead might as well have Gordon Ramsay scream at him this question after placing two pieces of bread over his ears:
Ramsay- "WHO ARE YOU!!??!!????!!!!"
This guy - "I'm an idiot sandwich"