ROCK SOLID Newel Posts - My Secret Sauce for Installing Newel Posts...
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- In this video we look at how to install solid 4x4 newel posts. We look at how to cut to fit, how to fasten them, and how to make them sock solid.
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It is a pleasure to watch such a detail oriented professional even with a remodel and paint grade products. I would hire you in a heartbeat if you were local. Very impressed.
Appreciate you taking time, and sharing the knowledge.
Dude I’m so glad I found you a few months ago. You’ve literally saved my ass several times. Your videos are the only person I’ve found installing the exact same products as me
Dude, Im learning so much from your videos. Ive always wanted/meant to apprentice with a professional carpenter but was always too busy in the other trades. Now Im a small independent contractor who does pretty much everything, but my main weakness is just inexperience with these kinds of things. Thank you for taking the time to share your skills and experience with all of us guys.
The level of thought that goes into your work, with practical methods and construction resources makes me feel like a moron. The way you break things down, take your time and show how each component comes together and works as a unit is what really imprints on me.
I am a hands on guy. However i can follow when there is thought and thorough instructions that lets me know the workings of the elements not seen or part of the finish exposure.
You should really do full teaching videos bud, i would definitely pay for your experience and practical methods. Grateful for you sharing your knowledge and experience, true blessing.
If there is one thing that I am learning from Spencer it is to not be afraid to use adhesive!
BEST CARPENTRY VIDEOS ON RUclips!! PERIOD!!
Spencer, your speach and your way of presentation is better than that of a Harvard professor.👍
Super!
I like the use of the levelling screws.
Great informational video. Building my own house just now. I’ve framed the landing 3.5” back so I can grk the newels straight into the trimmer and then run the fascia over the face of the posts.
Clear, consice, and well thought out plan of attack.
Thanks for sharing
I loved the Mach 15 explanation! It is so true!
Great job as always. I learn so much. Code also requires handrails be able to withstand at least 200 pounds of lateral force. Yours should have no trouble meeting this requirement.
Love the videos! It’s fascinating the way we install in Canada vs you in the states
Your work is very impressive. Love to learn watching your videos. !!👍👍
*Welcome Back* 🙌🏻
Great video. Wish it was around last week lol. Just had to do this for the first time then.
As always Spencer, Great work.
Awesome young craftsman
Well executed tutorial thank you.
Liked all you did. Only change I would have put solid shims under the board instead of just the screws. Not that your way doesn’t work, that is just preference. There is always a different way to do things.
what a great idea to use screws as shims
Just learned about screw shims.
Another great video! Thanks!
This has shown up in my feed at the right time 😃 fate!
I'm a flooring guy with more than 30 years in so far. I was doing a 3/4 solid hardwood job in 100+ years old house. Customers asked is there anything you can do about the railing and post moving ( only 4' long handrail . Post attached with nails and not through subfloor and attached to joists). I bought some 1/2" by 1' wide L brackets and 3" screws. Was able to hallow cut hardwood so brackets weren't visible when done. I tucked some brackets under post and had some away from post all covered with pl premium and screwed it down as good as I could. Still wiggled a bit at end of day but the next morning it was as solid as a rock. Nice when things go our way sometimes.
outstanding video! Very well
I think it’s a Gary Katz line - Finesse not Physique. A great example here, stairs really are one of the best examples of a carpenters skill.
Your great, thank you... post level would help..
Nice Atomic Impact Driver.
Thx so much I learned to much with you are you Awesome thx for you videos
Wow. Nice job
You're not just a finish carpenter. You're a mechanical engineer...
soooo, im back. i think this is a little over the top for a newel post. what i do, and i know this isnt for everyone, is ill put down masking tape and mark off the center line for my along the length of my landing strip, ill be using this for my balusters later. ill find the spot i want to install my post and draw out the size of the post. after this ill mark out 2 staggered points on either side of where the post will go ill go 1 inch from edge and 3/4 from face for where ill place my hanger/rail bolts. ill drill out and install those to the floor. ill do the same lay out on my post. ill drill a 1 inch hole with the center of that hole at the same hight as the hanger bolt comes out of the landing strip. after this i drill 7/16 holes from the bottom of my post to the 1 inch ole through the side. ill test fit them peel up the tape only where the post goes. add just smear of tite bond 2/3 to where the post sits. ill tighten the nuts on the hanger bolts down just until i can barely wiggle the post back and forth. ill cut a few 2 degree shims off the off cut of my post. ill push and pull the post working my shim under until plumb then tighten the hell out of the hanger bolts. and they're ROCK solid. a couple of matching 1 inch plugs where i drilled through the side of the post and it all goes away with a little sand. as for the starter newel at the bottom ill do a combination of notching the post and cap, ill do the same kind of thing with a hanger bolt but with a 1 inch plug on the back of the post to pull it down and ill predrill 3/8 holes and i use 3-5 inch deck mates to put the post back. using really only wood glue and shims to plumb that post as well. i like where your head is at but its a little overcomplicated. if you want me to show you what i am talking about i can make a video. i generally only do stair and rail work so i have it paired down to be fast and efficient.
awesome
Would the shoe plate shimmed up with screws create difference in height if hardwood floor is installed?
I wanted to get your opinion on how you would do the mortising if you had a doubled up rim joist around the stair? Would you just forget that method and use a lag bolt to secure them? It looks like you a a single rim joist.
Definitely bolt them down with a sure-tite or hanger bolt if you have that much blocking underneath.
I used “key lock” post anchor mortised into the post or floor.
12:38. How do those handrail bolts work? Are they similar to pocket screws?
What do you use to cover your screw holes? Plugs?
Plugs. Glue and sand.
Far better than a L.J. SMITH rail system.
Back to wearing your old occidental leather pouches? What made you change your mind?
Do you worry about having that poplar sitting right on concrete? ie moisture wicking, capillary action etc
It will be sealed at the bottom by the PL Premium it is sitting on.
Started using Fuzit lately .. hold better the Pl
What is the purpose of leaving the facia and shoe rail so elevated?
Flooring then shoe molding around the perimeter.
I wonder what is the PL equivalent in other country’s, I’m in Australia and Iv never heard of it
PL Premium by LOCTITE
Polyurethane-based construction adhesive.
Maistro
Mach 15 LMAO....very accurate indeed
Can you give me the exact name of that glue? I'm from Europe, and I like to find similar product at my market.
PL Premium
What do you when your on a slab?
Expanding anchor into slab. Drill holes in bottom of post. Cover anchors in PL. Set newel over PL/Anchors. Lag into knee wall. It's not ideal going into concrete if you have no lateral support to tie into.
@@InsiderCarpentry thanks makes sense!
@@InsiderCarpentry thanks for the tip! Worked perfectly.
Unless the rest of the flooring going to be carpet, I don't get why the shoe rail is shimmed so high above the subfloor. I'm basing this off of living in New England, where hardwood flooring reigns supreme.
I agree. The screw technique gives a level base/skirt board, but so what? What's going on with the rest of the floor? If it is hardwood, it will be horribly misaligned with that transition piece. I think this kid is great, but this unanswered question makes me think he is leaving that problem for another person too deal with later on in this job.
its lvt flooring itll tuck under the shoe board. hence the reason he held his screws back from the edge
The milwuakee 18g sinks nails into oak!? Makita a 18g is so disappointing 😥
ever used a sure tite
40 seconds of adds ????
I can confirm... kids running at mock 15
Man you need your own show on cable lol! Very easy to understand for us newbies. Thanks for your videos very helpful
You know what ? You just get better every time…… I can’t believe this is my next job iv got at my home, wife is pecking my head to replace what we have for Oak, and you’ve made my job / life so much easier… thank you so much 😊 👍👍👍👍
Best finish carpenter in US you need to do more often videos man👍👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
The drywall screws as shims, pretty neat 👍👍👍👍
Thanks for the videos Spencer, I have my first stair tread and handrail job and I have been binging your videos to prepare. Keep up the good work!
Same here!
Nice… I use the screw trick on bottom of baseboard in the corners to keep them from rolling… Especially on old remodels…
I tape a piece of baseboard to my torpedo level and level the screw in the corners
This is great. I kinda picked up carpentry on my own for my own house, so seeing how you use random screws and shims to even stuff up is reassuring.
newel bolts are a thing
If I ever see the words "mach 15" in any building code, I'm getting out of the industry.
🤣🤣🤣
Thanks for all the info. I did Carpentry overseas where I’m from originally and I’m trying to start doing it here in the USA. I learned a lot from you how it’s done here. I really appreciate you and the time you put to do these videos. When I’m gonna start buying my tools I will definitely use your links as a way of thanking you. Thanks again
Good luck on your next chapter 😊
@@colmgray thank you
This is yet another reason why this channel is one of my favorites. I do the screw thing too, BUT like a moron ive never thought to run a torpedo across to them! Like DUH!!
Nice work. Getting the railing in asap also lets you work safer. (Our newel posts were worn round from us kids swinging around them; perfect observation.)
Your an excellent young man. Great workmanship.. I've been a contractor many years and it's a blessing to see and hear a good man with great knowledge. And ability keep.up the great work.
@13:38 You're not kidding about using a lot of PL Premium 😁 Another video filled with tips and tricks! TY
Is it going to be carpet on the upper level? I see you already have some base installed upstairs. My question is how do you know where to end your skirtboard? I see that it's flush to the top of the subfloor. How do you plan to transition that to the baseboard?
There are no set rules. We get to use our creativity when doing stairs.
Nice! I've got a stair remodel coming up. You just showed a few techniques that was not familiar with. Thanks, man!
Very good work pal, I'm a carpenter too and home remodeler, I like your methods, very strong, you do things the RIGHT WAY‼️😉
really appreciate the videos, very high quality and you explain things well, I've learned so much, always look forward to your videos, thanks man
Nice work. I love how you made everything fit so well. Great instruction!
Superb video Spencer! Absolutely have enjoyed ever vid I've seen since the beginning and great learning. Hope you have a perfect weekend!
Absolutely amazing quality work. Thanks for sharing the details.
Awesome 👏 video. That hand rail is not going anywhere.
Ideally, the newel posts are not "top mounted" - meaning the face of the post is in line, or beyond, the edge of the nosing. This allows you to notch the posts around the floor system, then cut the nosing and fascia between the posts. If it's absolutely necessary to top mount solid newels, use PL and sure-tite newel fasteners. We've installed hundreds, maybe thousands of newels like this with no callbacks, and no mortising into the floor system.
I need to use sure tite bolts more. Thanks for the feedback!
Chase I agree I have used them for years. Usually put them in at an angle to grab the framing. Bend them straight up then drill holes out. Once locked down, solid.
Spencer Question with the install of the nosing shimmed up with screws you can’t run hardwood flooring. Seems you would have a lip. I’ll belt sand sub flooring to help level things out a bit. And glue straight to that.
Using this technique on my mountain cabin loft railing I custom made from rough cut beetle kill pine (solid posts) and loving the tips! Thanks a bunch!
Hey brother! Great job! What kind of saw did you use to make that rabbit cut? Could probably use a sawzall but I figured i would ask you. Thanks for your videos brother
Could you just put wooden shims in after you have used the screws to set for level? Then you would know they wouldn't move because the wood shims would hold the load if they did.
Spencer - What was the width of the extended wood you notched out and put into hole? Looked like it was 1-1/2"? Is that post a 5"x5"? Thanks
You were flawless in your teachings here! Good work as always my man!
Nothing up thanks though.
I thought it was Mule post
Looks nice. Glad my builder didn’t PL my bottom newel posts in place, had to pull them out to get the refrigerator through the narrow hall where the stairs meet the main floor. PL would’ve made for a real problem. :)
Clark Griswold already showed us how to fix a newel post in the late 80's
CHAINSAW BABY, CHAINSAW!
Fantastic man..nice to see another guy share his skills..
I just don't have the patience anymore to teach..i kind of like to turn the music on and enter my own magical world of frustration ..and suffer quietly hahaha
I had to come back and add this after reading others comments..it appears there are alot of us who like you channel..some mention starting a television show...hahahaha.
You know..Norm, and Tommy and getting up in yrs..its a good time to move in and take over this old house...hahahaha..
Haha. Mach 15. Such great information and quality work.
Could you show how you make the rabbet cuts on the newel posts? I made a post today like yours but I had to use a hand saw and coping saw to get nice cuts. My table saw fence is not the best and I had issues trying to use it to rabbet.
I'm probably not the first to say this to you, but have you ever checked out the Milwaukee Fuel Surge impact driver? For things like setting those drywall screws at the right depth or other precision work you can set them on the lowest speed setting and make super fine adjustments so easily. It's hard to describe how efficient and satisfying it is. I know you highly value efficiency, and that tool would be right up your alley. I know you're already partly on the platform with your nailers... Considerably less noise and vibration, too. Especially in unfinished houses like you work in. God bless!
I use the same screw shim method for pocket doors and all kinds of other things
Would this technique also work for installing on the first stair tread?
Down the road some years, with so much glue, how could these Posts be replaced if they were seriously damaged?
I had an older woman neighbor years ago and her staircase rail was wobbly and scared the hell out of me for her. There was literally nothing good for the post to attach to besides the side of the stairs which was a few decades past "sturdy". I ended up cutting a 4x4 hole in the floor and bolting it to a joist that luckily was only an inch away from the right spot. Lots of wood glue too haha. Worked like a charm!
So there is a gap from the subfloor to the shoe kick plate. What do you do for that?
I can just see that speed demon going around that post. I don't even have kids. Haha
Dry wall screws as shims 👍. I once forgot about squaring the face in the excitement of getting it plumb in two directions. Once. Thanks for the reminder - and the video.
how did you decide how far to go in on the bottom newel post? I use the screw idea a lot. Nice video.
Thk U Spencer ! I don’t do stairs to much? However; when I need to I break out your video to freshen up !
great video,that tool belt must be heavy with everything you git in it ,I started wearing a apron easier on my back