Wow, what a beautiful forest! I never stop being amazed at the quality of private independent media creators. 100x better than anything on mainstream TV.
i think it depends more on ones skill level than the actual bike. i've seen a youtuber take this bike on some very technical tracks and ride it hard on said tracks. some people can take these big adv bikes and ride them like they are light weight enduro bikes.. i couldnt do it but its amazing to watch. this bikes already proved itself from what i've seen. like cross training adventure says.. its 80% the rider 20% the bike. that rings true when you watch highly skilled riders ride a bike like this like its a light enduro bike. its not the bike thats out of its depth, its the rider.
What a wonderfully refreshing take on the 800MT - thank you! Yes, it certainly has its work cut out but as you infer, there's not only room for 'one more' but, if it proves durable enough on its first ADV/tourer venture in the MT800 then, that's good for us all. I will keep an eye out for your future review of this bike maybe 12-24 months post its launch. Please continue what you do as you make Australia proud and continues to take note of our sunburnt and magnificent outback country.
Can confirm, there is plenty of room for one more. Can't say shit about that Bike. It's comfy af for rider and passenger. It's certainly not a Tenere or KTM for Offroad and it is certainly not a BMW for the street but man I can assure you, you get alot of bang for your buck
Thank you for making a great quality video and valuable comments for MT800. Plan to get this bike in Asia and hopefully they will have TCS model available in the coming year.
Thanks for this video. Always nice to get a good, top gear'esque review of a bike. So often you see these videos that you can see was taken on a presso event and you have to wonder about the biasedness there. You video makes awesome use of good quality image, appropriate music and relevant insights. Keep at it!
Dude. New subscriber. Terrific production. Great review and thank you for taking the considerable extra time, trouble, and expense to make such a slick and beautiful piece. Keep up the good work.
Thanks mate! Really appeciate those kind words. I'm just learning how to shoot and edit video so I'm in a state of confusion 80% of the time ha ha! More to come real soon - just finished puting 3000 kilomtres on a Pan America for the nect video.
Nice review, you. And him! I sat on one of these for a while and shifted between it and a few other bikes. In terms of saddle comfort,I found it close to the Tiger XCX, but not quite as nice. Not comparing apples with apples, l know, but at face value these bikes seem to have quite a bit to offer. Cheers!
Mate, I’m so torn. Been looking at Suzuki, BMW and Triumph for months, thought I’d made up my mind then someone goes and mentions this bike. There was an expression years ago in my line of work when things went wrong; “things are falling apart like a Chinese motorcycle.” Have times changed? The bike looks like it has all I need, but do I trust a Chinese brand just to save a few bucks? All stuff I need to ponder, but I definitely appreciate the no-nonsense review. Gives me food for thought. Nicely made video, by the way. Cheers!
It has a three year warranty, which helps. Massive jump in price if you're looking at the BMW 850 and Triumph 900. The V-Strom 650XT is definitely worth consideration on price, reliability and verstility. A lot depends on what sort of riding you'll mostly be doing.
@@advlife Yeah, thanks for the reply! You're spot on, all things to consider. Me, I rode cruisers for years and years, only got the ADV bug a little while ago, so there's a lot I don't know. I don't see myself doing a lot of full-throttle dirt riding, but I want a bike that can handle the occasional fire trail or unsealed road when I decide to explore a bit. My front runner now is the VStrom 1050, because I will be doing a lot of highway, so cruise control, heated grips and ride modes are high on my list - things the VStrom 650 doesn't have but the 800MT does have. Price is always a consideration, but if I have to spend more to get the right bike, that's OK, too. Anyway, still working it all out, but you've given me some good info to think about!
@@philipodeny1129 I went with the V-Strom 1050XT. Honestly, I love everything about it and I haven’t even window shopped for anything else since the day I got it. The new DE Stroms were announced literally the same week I collected my XT, but I’m good with what I have. They are focused on the off-road ADV crowd, where I’m more of a road and occasional dirt road guy. I came from cruisers as well. 20-ish years of Harleys and metric cruisers. My gateway ADV was a Kawasaki Versys 650, which I bought used for chips to see if I liked it, while I still had the Harley. It got me hooked enough to basically stop riding the Harley altogether. When I finally admitted to myself that I was done with cruisers, I sold both bikes and just started over. The Versys was a 650. Plenty of power, but buzzy on long rides. No cruise control, hands went numb after a while. That’s why I went with the V-Strom 1050 rather than the 650. If you’re coming from a large capacity cruiser of 1000cc or more, you’ll appreciate that extra pull. It’s amazing on the highway, which is where I use it most. If you’re looking to do a lot of off-road, though, I might look elsewhere. While the 1050XT is perfectly capable on unsealed roads and dirt, and literally tens of thousand of riders around the world swear by the Strom, it lacks some of the features serious off-road riders want. The new V-Strom 1050DE and 800DE bikes address that. So if proper off-road is your thing, I’d look at the DE series, or the BMW, Triumph, Honda, etc. Having said all that, it all comes down to individual needs. I’m sure the CFMoto would have been fine for most of my needs. It just lacked a couple things I really wanted, and in the end I was happy to spend a little more on the bigger motor and Suzuki brand, which I know and trust. Whichever way you go, I can tell you it’s a much different feeling than a cruiser. Better or worse is subjective. I prefer it and wish I hadn’t waited so long. Hope you find the one that works for you!
I’ve been looking for another bike to have along side my cruiser and touring bikes, and wanted an adventure bike, I’m not interested in hardcore off roading, more national park tracks at the most. I looked at the CF Moto last year when they first came out, but the lack of traction control and non switchable ABS put me off, I looked at the Tenere, but all that money and no cruise control, recently, I test rode the Norden 901 (which I liked) but the saw the new CF Moto 800MT Explore….now with 6 rider modes (including TC & switchable ABS), after test riding it, I’m sold, and will be purchasing one next week
Exactly the same here, the Explore model seems like the 2.0 version of this bike, it solves the most important issues and adds a few good extras. I am buying one this month as well, safe rides!
I found myself here; curious about the perks of a bigger twin. Bet i tend to take my 300 Rally into the rutted out bush tracks, clearly not a place for the MT. What is the name of the road around the 3.30 minute mark? Gloucester area? Nice view for a cruise! Thanks.
I think MT 800 is great bike for doing that kind of stuff at the end of the day if you want to do some real hard stuff you will take a dual sport for single track and all the rest
It's so tempting, if only it wasn't so heavy at 230kg. CFMOTO also has a 450cc parallel twin, with 270 degree crank that is in one of its sports bikes. I wonder if that will make its way into a lighter weight adventure/tourer.
I wasn't at all bothered by the weight while riding on dirt roads, but it's a wrestle on tech stuff and in the garage for sure. Mostly because the weight is high.
Still waiting for owners of these to get the first valve adjustment service. The KTM 790/890 Adventure and some Dukes, have suffered badly from soft cams, with wear and damage occurring at relatively low km (15,000). I' curious to see how many (if any) CFmotos suffer the same issue given the same engine.
Thanks for your video. Did you talk about the engine characteristics and I missed it? Had they really wanted to make an impression they would made it a shafty.
Hey Big Red! The engine is a very easy to manage unit but the early fueling wasn't great - I believe they've addressed that recently. I cover the bike in more detail in writting on advlife.com.au - advlife.com.au/cfmoto-800mt-touring-review/
I have a CRF 300 Rally for the tougher stuff so looking for something to replace my Scrambler setup MT-07 Tracer for a more capable and comfortable road/gravel two up experience. Nice review and vid, subbed.
I have watched many review videos in Chinese regarding to this bike, only one thing they were not satisfied is no traction control for this mid CC ADV. Overall, it is a good bike for this price.
It's a good bike. If they fix the early fuelling (which shouldn't be hard with an ECU update), the bike could get away with not having TC because it has a reasonably mild output. But I'd lose the tyre pressure monitors for switchable ABS.
Nice concise review, thanks. The MT800's were recently released in the UK. Unfortunately the 'launch' has been typical of Chinese made and imported bikes, not so much a whimper as a mouse fart. Hopefully the dealers will sooner or later get demo bikes in and I will get a test ride.
It's frustrating when launches don't yeild any decent info. I once flew to France for a launch of a CanAm ATV that they didn't have but didn't tell us till we got there 28 hours later. And another launch in Spain where Gas Gas (pre-KTM) decided not to let us ride the one bike we travelled from Australia to ride. That said, nothing beats riding a bike yourself. As soon as they arrive, jump on and go for a blast.
@@advlife Oh Man! Well that puts my minor frustrations into context. Sinnis did the same thing here with the T380. They took a pre-production model to an Overlander show and around 14 months later their 'launch' consisted of a couple of pictures on FB of a single bike being uncrated... that was it. A few months later they put a couple of press bikes out, mostly to smaller RUclips review channels. I will wait and see what happens with the MT800.
@@neilmackinnon3371 We only have the Benelli TRK502X and the CFMOTO here in Oz. The TRK is OK as long as you're not fussed about going around corners in the dirt. We don't really see the other Chinese brands and under any of thier many names.
@@advlife Benelli have a good importer and dealer network in the UK so we know about their bikes as soon as they are released and journalists like yourself get invites to the launches, so we soon get to hear about the bikes. Sinnis is a UK brand and I think they get their bikes from Zongshen, mostly 125cc beginner bikes with a good reputation. But there was clearly no love for the 380cc twin version of the Terrain 125, not helped by the fact it really isn't a good motorcycle.. which is possibly why there was no love, I mean, you've got to have faith in something to be able to sell it.
over in china they have a big sports touring bike thats used as a police bike and its incredible its got every luxury you could think of from heating to music to electric adjustable shield and mirrors the chinese police use them and love them and they use the KTM 1290 engine so they sound insane and haul some major A$$ i hope we will get them here in aus too they are bloody cool
Great video.. I test rode one the other day.. loved it.. I think the bike on the black top and dirt road touring and adventure is spot on. Only time will tell.. great bike.
How does the MT800 compare off-road to the V-Strom 1050XT? They have similar wheels and ground clearance so is one superior with better suspension/handling?
you actually get a 2 yr warrantee and you get 1 more yr ONLY if you adhere to the fine print being .... have ALL services done by them and it clearly says IF.. IF. IF . ONE WOULD NEED TO GET A SIGNED FORM OFF THEM to protect yourself
New to your channel, great review and looking bike. Chinese are starting to make attractive products, QA is improving too. Will put pressure on the others to improve their game 😊🇦🇺
Entertaining and honest review, great job 🤠👍 Just found your channel and enjoying it 👌 As for the bike... I just couldn't bring myself to give money to a commie, genociding, slave labour force country! There's a reason they are able to sell crap so cheap... it's at the cost of its citizens.
Wait so you instead order a BMW GS wich is almost entirely made is that said country. Ordering an iPhone, Android phone made entirely in said country. KTM also right in there as much as you could think of. Almost every good is made in said country so you don't have pay as much. Good luck trying to not give them a dime 🤣 what a Clown
Wow, what a beautiful forest! I never stop being amazed at the quality of private independent media creators. 100x better than anything on mainstream TV.
Thanks mate! Yeah agree, TV is balls.
I agree
i'm absolutely astonished by the incredible production of your videos. Keep the good work man, this is ART!!!
Thank you so much! ☺
i think it depends more on ones skill level than the actual bike. i've seen a youtuber take this bike on some very technical tracks and ride it hard on said tracks. some people can take these big adv bikes and ride them like they are light weight enduro bikes.. i couldnt do it but its amazing to watch. this bikes already proved itself from what i've seen. like cross training adventure says.. its 80% the rider 20% the bike. that rings true when you watch highly skilled riders ride a bike like this like its a light enduro bike. its not the bike thats out of its depth, its the rider.
I've had mine about a week, 1st service on the way and I absolutely love this bike 🍺
Great to hear mate! What areas do you ride?
@@advlife I'm on the Mid-North Coast, NSW. 🍺
me too! i have mine 1 month. I really love my bike. From Chile.
Any update? Still a good bike?
What a wonderfully refreshing take on the 800MT - thank you! Yes, it certainly has its work cut out but as you infer, there's not only room for 'one more' but, if it proves durable enough on its first ADV/tourer venture in the MT800 then, that's good for us all. I will keep an eye out for your future review of this bike maybe 12-24 months post its launch. Please continue what you do as you make Australia proud and continues to take note of our sunburnt and magnificent outback country.
Can confirm, there is plenty of room for one more. Can't say shit about that Bike. It's comfy af for rider and passenger. It's certainly not a Tenere or KTM for Offroad and it is certainly not a BMW for the street but man I can assure you, you get alot of bang for your buck
Thank you for making a great quality video and valuable comments for MT800. Plan to get this bike in Asia and hopefully they will have TCS model available in the coming year.
Thanks for this video. Always nice to get a good, top gear'esque review of a bike. So often you see these videos that you can see was taken on a presso event and you have to wonder about the biasedness there.
You video makes awesome use of good quality image, appropriate music and relevant insights. Keep at it!
Dude. New subscriber. Terrific production. Great review and thank you for taking the considerable extra time, trouble, and expense to make such a slick and beautiful piece. Keep up the good work.
Thanks mate! Really appeciate those kind words. I'm just learning how to shoot and edit video so I'm in a state of confusion 80% of the time ha ha!
More to come real soon - just finished puting 3000 kilomtres on a Pan America for the nect video.
Great review, thanks for helping me understand a little about a bike I had no idea existed til today
I like the brand pragmatism and production quality. Subscribed!
I love your videos, i love your cinematography, i love your humour, i love your face. Please keep at it 🙏🏼
My kind of adventure riding. Thanks for showing your tires
Love the mountain pass.. excellent production
Nice review, you. And him! I sat on one of these for a while and shifted between it and a few other bikes. In terms of saddle comfort,I found it close to the Tiger XCX, but not quite as nice. Not comparing apples with apples, l know, but at face value these bikes seem to have quite a bit to offer. Cheers!
Thanks mate, your review was a great help.
Mate, I’m so torn. Been looking at Suzuki, BMW and Triumph for months, thought I’d made up my mind then someone goes and mentions this bike. There was an expression years ago in my line of work when things went wrong; “things are falling apart like a Chinese motorcycle.” Have times changed? The bike looks like it has all I need, but do I trust a Chinese brand just to save a few bucks? All stuff I need to ponder, but I definitely appreciate the no-nonsense review. Gives me food for thought. Nicely made video, by the way. Cheers!
It has a three year warranty, which helps. Massive jump in price if you're looking at the BMW 850 and Triumph 900. The V-Strom 650XT is definitely worth consideration on price, reliability and verstility. A lot depends on what sort of riding you'll mostly be doing.
@@advlife Yeah, thanks for the reply! You're spot on, all things to consider. Me, I rode cruisers for years and years, only got the ADV bug a little while ago, so there's a lot I don't know. I don't see myself doing a lot of full-throttle dirt riding, but I want a bike that can handle the occasional fire trail or unsealed road when I decide to explore a bit. My front runner now is the VStrom 1050, because I will be doing a lot of highway, so cruise control, heated grips and ride modes are high on my list - things the VStrom 650 doesn't have but the 800MT does have. Price is always a consideration, but if I have to spend more to get the right bike, that's OK, too. Anyway, still working it all out, but you've given me some good info to think about!
@@dog4mike and now there's a Vstrom 800! what did you get? curious to know coz I'm also looking to join the ADV world from cruiser...
@@philipodeny1129 I went with the V-Strom 1050XT. Honestly, I love everything about it and I haven’t even window shopped for anything else since the day I got it. The new DE Stroms were announced literally the same week I collected my XT, but I’m good with what I have. They are focused on the off-road ADV crowd, where I’m more of a road and occasional dirt road guy.
I came from cruisers as well. 20-ish years of Harleys and metric cruisers. My gateway ADV was a Kawasaki Versys 650, which I bought used for chips to see if I liked it, while I still had the Harley. It got me hooked enough to basically stop riding the Harley altogether. When I finally admitted to myself that I was done with cruisers, I sold both bikes and just started over. The Versys was a 650. Plenty of power, but buzzy on long rides. No cruise control, hands went numb after a while. That’s why I went with the V-Strom 1050 rather than the 650. If you’re coming from a large capacity cruiser of 1000cc or more, you’ll appreciate that extra pull. It’s amazing on the highway, which is where I use it most.
If you’re looking to do a lot of off-road, though, I might look elsewhere. While the 1050XT is perfectly capable on unsealed roads and dirt, and literally tens of thousand of riders around the world swear by the Strom, it lacks some of the features serious off-road riders want. The new V-Strom 1050DE and 800DE bikes address that. So if proper off-road is your thing, I’d look at the DE series, or the BMW, Triumph, Honda, etc.
Having said all that, it all comes down to individual needs. I’m sure the CFMoto would have been fine for most of my needs. It just lacked a couple things I really wanted, and in the end I was happy to spend a little more on the bigger motor and Suzuki brand, which I know and trust.
Whichever way you go, I can tell you it’s a much different feeling than a cruiser. Better or worse is subjective. I prefer it and wish I hadn’t waited so long. Hope you find the one that works for you!
This bike actually looks really good and to have the ktm 790 motor. This is a tempting purchase no doubt.
I’ve been looking for another bike to have along side my cruiser and touring bikes, and wanted an adventure bike, I’m not interested in hardcore off roading, more national park tracks at the most. I looked at the CF Moto last year when they first came out, but the lack of traction control and non switchable ABS put me off, I looked at the Tenere, but all that money and no cruise control, recently, I test rode the Norden 901 (which I liked) but the saw the new CF Moto 800MT Explore….now with 6 rider modes (including TC & switchable ABS), after test riding it, I’m sold, and will be purchasing one next week
Exactly the same here, the Explore model seems like the 2.0 version of this bike, it solves the most important issues and adds a few good extras. I am buying one this month as well, safe rides!
Great Review and production. well done mate
Much appreciated!
Brilliant video 👍🏻
Great review, very considered and informative. Thank you.
Cheers! Looks like its a very good value bike
What a stunning gravel road! Somewhere in NSW, no doubt.
Hunter Valley mate 👍🏻
@@advlife -- thanks for that. Thought it might've been around there somewhere. Wish it was closer to northern Victoria!! 😁
Professional video
I found myself here; curious about the perks of a bigger twin. Bet i tend to take my 300 Rally into the rutted out bush tracks, clearly not a place for the MT.
What is the name of the road around the 3.30 minute mark?
Gloucester area? Nice view for a cruise!
Thanks.
I'm pretty sure thats Bowman's Creek Road mate
Nicely done sir i can understand all u said about the bike planning to buy one..RS from philippines..
Have fun on it mate!
A lot of info in a pleasant to watch vid. Well done, kid.
I aim to be pleasant!
Great review. We’re you riding the 20 creeks crossing around Gloucester / Nundle
Yeah did there and a couple of other routes as well. Happy to have missed the rains that came!
I think MT 800 is great bike for doing that kind of stuff at the end of the day if you want to do some real hard stuff you will take a dual sport for single track and all the rest
It's so tempting, if only it wasn't so heavy at 230kg.
CFMOTO also has a 450cc parallel twin, with 270 degree crank that is in one of its sports bikes. I wonder if that will make its way into a lighter weight adventure/tourer.
I wasn't at all bothered by the weight while riding on dirt roads, but it's a wrestle on tech stuff and in the garage for sure. Mostly because the weight is high.
@@advlife Yes, momentum is your friend when you're heavy.
It aint no trials bike!
Oh, c'mon, quit yer whining. It's less than a KLR, and it's a broomstick compared to a GoldWing.
230 aint that heavy for these type of bikes.
@@akupehsluarketatAR In 2022 it is.
Still waiting for owners of these to get the first valve adjustment service. The KTM 790/890 Adventure and some Dukes, have suffered badly from soft cams, with wear and damage occurring at relatively low km (15,000). I' curious to see how many (if any) CFmotos suffer the same issue given the same engine.
Same here
Wow, this is a great video!
Thanks for your video. Did you talk about the engine characteristics and I missed it? Had they really wanted to make an impression they would made it a shafty.
Hey Big Red! The engine is a very easy to manage unit but the early fueling wasn't great - I believe they've addressed that recently. I cover the bike in more detail in writting on advlife.com.au - advlife.com.au/cfmoto-800mt-touring-review/
I have a CRF 300 Rally for the tougher stuff so looking for something to replace my Scrambler setup MT-07 Tracer for a more capable and comfortable road/gravel two up experience. Nice review and vid, subbed.
Nice video of the CF Moto
Thanks!
Beautiful content
Great video quality and very detailed review! Can I ask what is the name of the trail you rode? The scenery is amazing.
5:30 Hi! I wonder what do you think it would break compared to a more expensive bike like BMW f800 or triumph 800.
I have watched many review videos in Chinese regarding to this bike, only one thing they were not satisfied is no traction control for this mid CC ADV. Overall, it is a good bike for this price.
It's a good bike. If they fix the early fuelling (which shouldn't be hard with an ECU update), the bike could get away with not having TC because it has a reasonably mild output. But I'd lose the tyre pressure monitors for switchable ABS.
Great review, would love to know what track you road?
The Bowman Road between Singleton and Aberdeen mostly. Its a great ride through there
Nice concise review, thanks. The MT800's were recently released in the UK. Unfortunately the 'launch' has been typical of Chinese made and imported bikes, not so much a whimper as a mouse fart. Hopefully the dealers will sooner or later get demo bikes in and I will get a test ride.
It's frustrating when launches don't yeild any decent info. I once flew to France for a launch of a CanAm ATV that they didn't have but didn't tell us till we got there 28 hours later. And another launch in Spain where Gas Gas (pre-KTM) decided not to let us ride the one bike we travelled from Australia to ride.
That said, nothing beats riding a bike yourself. As soon as they arrive, jump on and go for a blast.
@@advlife Oh Man! Well that puts my minor frustrations into context. Sinnis did the same thing here with the T380. They took a pre-production model to an Overlander show and around 14 months later their 'launch' consisted of a couple of pictures on FB of a single bike being uncrated... that was it. A few months later they put a couple of press bikes out, mostly to smaller RUclips review channels. I will wait and see what happens with the MT800.
@@neilmackinnon3371 We only have the Benelli TRK502X and the CFMOTO here in Oz. The TRK is OK as long as you're not fussed about going around corners in the dirt.
We don't really see the other Chinese brands and under any of thier many names.
@@advlife Benelli have a good importer and dealer network in the UK so we know about their bikes as soon as they are released and journalists like yourself get invites to the launches, so we soon get to hear about the bikes. Sinnis is a UK brand and I think they get their bikes from Zongshen, mostly 125cc beginner bikes with a good reputation. But there was clearly no love for the 380cc twin version of the Terrain 125, not helped by the fact it really isn't a good motorcycle.. which is possibly why there was no love, I mean, you've got to have faith in something to be able to sell it.
over in china they have a big sports touring bike thats used as a police bike and its incredible its got every luxury you could think of from heating to music to electric adjustable shield and mirrors
the chinese police use them and love them and they use the KTM 1290 engine so they sound insane and haul some major A$$
i hope we will get them here in aus too they are bloody cool
Great video.. I test rode one the other day.. loved it.. I think the bike on the black top and dirt road touring and adventure is spot on. Only time will tell.. great bike.
Cheers mate. I do think it's good - it surprised me to be honest.
Nice review mate , good to get an unbiased assessment of the Chinese brand .👍
Thanks mate - hope you're enjoying the adventure life too!
How does the MT800 compare off-road to the V-Strom 1050XT? They have similar wheels and ground clearance so is one superior with better suspension/handling?
Yeah but does it connect to my wifi and control my other devices?
you actually get a 2 yr warrantee and you get 1 more yr ONLY if you adhere to the fine print being .... have ALL services done by them and it clearly says IF.. IF. IF . ONE WOULD NEED TO GET A SIGNED FORM OFF THEM to protect yourself
New to your channel, great review and looking bike. Chinese are starting to make attractive products, QA is improving too. Will put pressure on the others to improve their game 😊🇦🇺
This video aged well as the 800MT is quite popular 2 years later.
No traction control one thing I missed in that other reviews I watched.
I want one mostly for the road & occasional dirt road.
Dirt bike for true off road.
Perfect mix for the CFMOTO
Quindi ti sei trovato bene in fuoristrada?
The New 800MT "Explore" 4 modes off drives , traction controle, new weels, 8" Pouces TFT, and many more things change the bike for off-road
👍from🇨🇦
Hey there Canada!
Well done on a fair honest review
Seems like a good bike
Crack'n price
but this brand is not for me
It is good but it has a way to go to prove itself in the long term
@@advlife i have a daily 790 Duke with over 60,000km's so the engine will be fine.
I thought It would be cheaper. Not more than it's name brand competition. That's always been cf motos selling point. Just as good, but cheaper
CFMOTO is Chinese? I didn't know that.
Entertaining and honest review, great job 🤠👍
Just found your channel and enjoying it 👌
As for the bike...
I just couldn't bring myself to give money to a commie, genociding, slave labour force country! There's a reason they are able to sell crap so cheap... it's at the cost of its citizens.
Wait so you instead order a BMW GS wich is almost entirely made is that said country. Ordering an iPhone, Android phone made entirely in said country. KTM also right in there as much as you could think of. Almost every good is made in said country so you don't have pay as much. Good luck trying to not give them a dime 🤣 what a Clown
Sounds like you've just described Germany (BMW)
no,no,no....the cb500x plays in another league, the cb500x 48cv and the cf800mt 95cv and a few thousand dollars difference in price.
Too much vibration . KTM no surprise
There is CF moto junk sitting in my garage ! Never by another ! Save your money buy Japanese !
Wow loves some of them roads. You wouldn’t be able to share what area or roads you used like the one with the cows etc?
They're all between Singleton and Nundle in the NSW Hunter Valley - look for the Timor Crawney Road for reference