Words cannot express how much this video helped me. I have been racking my brain trying to figure out the difference between the Sony imx sensors for microscope cameras. I was determined to want 4k no matter what. Now I am looking at the better quality 1080p ones with larger pixels and better dynamic range.
Hi Sorin. Yes, you are right. I actually realized this when I moved from my Samsung S7 to Samsung S10. The S7's camera was way too better, even if it had less megapixels than the S10's camera.
You are right about the lack of dynamic range and the quite absurd megapixels race, but all those parameters are not so important in this case. When you look at the board with the iPhone or DSLR, you don't have the same precise alignment for the camera and the ring light axes, not the same as when the ring light is mounted on the microscope. That's why you can see the markings on those caps in the first place, not just because of the superior dynamic range of the camera. And even more important, with the devices you hold in your hand, you don't have a perfect perpendicular incidence for the light onto the board. It's very much like slightly tilting the board under the microscope, a method we all use to reduce the effects of light backscattering when we don't use (or dont' have) auxiliary light sources...
That makes sense since it is a dedicated photo camera. In addition you paired it with a macro lens. The DSLR's are very versatile. One can even scan film negatives with a dslr.
I don't use a microscope, much easier with just a camera and monitor, for me anyway. I have found your light source needs to be at angle to get rid of the reflections and shadows, I only use my ring light for board inspection. With cheap cameras, you will need angled light source.
Common sense lacks surely. I completed a Dip in Photography, but I am visually handicapped today and tried to convince my bosses at a large UK financial institution that a 32inch TV will not only suite me better, but cost less than a 4k Dell Monitor. They insisted in buying the Dell and speech recognition software and when I could not adjust they put me on disability retirement. I was a Certified Forensic Examiner holding a B in Forensic and Investigative Auditing. Not only did I loose the 3 best years of my pension, but also not being able to train a new generation with my wealth of knowledge..😭
Understood. Thanks. I'm curious if you tilted things around then the bright spots would go away. I just use a midrange phone pinch zoomed with jewelers loupe. Any recommendations which midrange phone has the best or should I just go back to a galaxy S1?
I 100% agree with that nonsense about megapixels. But there is a problem with your practical exercise, you were comparing those 3 cameras with different distances from the board. The bigger distance, the worse reflections you get.
just look at a sony a7s mkr3 got 12megapixel and you can film in the dark as its day and you can still see every detail in the shadow and you can see streetlights, its insane how good that is and then there is this guy saying: yo my smartphone got more megapixel :D cool and now? you can zoom in your trash picture?
You are right Sorin but you didnt make clear enough one thing I believe. You should have discussed the sensor size. The ratio of sensor size to number of pixels is also important. You can have a low number of pixels but if the senasor is also relatively small then pixel sensitivity will not necessarily be better.
If you properly light your scene, you can fit the shadows and highlights within the dynamic range limits. You basically have to add light to the shadows, and the highlights will go away with the auto-adjust. If you adjust your exposure manually for the highlights, you'll have very dark shadows if you don't add light, but that will work if you all you need to see is the light area.
To sum all up Sorin you need better camera ? I don't know but guy from Northridgefix has a good one...i know that im the guy who was always asking for better picture 🤣, but it is better now with filter
The original video was about compensating for the bad dynamic range on the cheap camera, with filtered polarized light. Why use a polarized light source if you are filtering it anyway? You will achieve the same by not using the light source, or using a weak light source.
If you down-sample image of a 100 mega pixel camera by software to 4 mega pixel you will get better image quality, because the noise averages out. One big problem is the sensor size, not just the megapixels. Sensors become smaller and smaller to accommodate smaller and cheaper lenses and to save on silicon cost. A modern100 megapixel camera with big sensor down sampled to 4 megapixel will have a good image quality, just as good as that old canon camera. The real issue is sensor size and size of the lenses- not just high resolution. Big high resolution sensors, combined with downsampling give excellent picture quality. That is why canon uses such sensors in modern products.
Why you just can't adjust 10x or so smaller resolution on phone and take better picture, with less noise etc.... ? Ooo You actually can . And it is default... Phone with 60mpx camera is taking 16mpx pictures as default... for example... If you want 100mpx picture you must go to ultra hi res mode...
Look you have a crap microscope camera quite simple. Deal with it, forget all rest of the rubbish.. it's the damn camera sensor, Sony rule with imx sensors 100% for microscopes n nothing to do with dslr camera total different sensor type.
@@ShainAndrews proofs in the pudding, if you think his scope picture is fine, so be it no one else does, as to my experience could care less what you think.
@@ShainAndrews Give it a break buddy better using my time to run business than entertain would bes on RUclips, you simply don't get it do you megapixels dslr camera, phone cameras have NO CORRELATION whatsoever in this case , microscope camera are all about sensors inside which are microscope sensors, only and idiot would buy a scope camera on how many megapixels it has. It's always about sensors. Hence why my scope cameras cost 600 bux and are 4k 8mp with Sony imx334 sensors. Learn stuff before mouthing off about things you clearly know nothing about. Last time I saw dslr camera on a scope was 15yrs ago.
Words cannot express how much this video helped me. I have been racking my brain trying to figure out the difference between the Sony imx sensors for microscope cameras. I was determined to want 4k no matter what. Now I am looking at the better quality 1080p ones with larger pixels and better dynamic range.
Hi Sorin. Yes, you are right. I actually realized this when I moved from my Samsung S7 to Samsung S10. The S7's camera was way too better, even if it had less megapixels than the S10's camera.
You are right about the lack of dynamic range and the quite absurd megapixels race, but all those parameters are not so important in this case.
When you look at the board with the iPhone or DSLR, you don't have the same precise alignment for the camera and the ring light axes, not the same as when the ring light is mounted on the microscope. That's why you can see the markings on those caps in the first place, not just because of the superior dynamic range of the camera.
And even more important, with the devices you hold in your hand, you don't have a perfect perpendicular incidence for the light onto the board. It's very much like slightly tilting the board under the microscope, a method we all use to reduce the effects of light backscattering when we don't use (or dont' have) auxiliary light sources...
ur right
True I remember using Canon 5d mk2 uploading my first video on RUclips 10 years ago still no phones can't beat this quality regards Sorin!
Thank you for sharing. My microscope camera is 2mp imx290 and it's brilliant.
That makes sense since it is a dedicated photo camera. In addition you paired it with a macro lens. The DSLR's are very versatile. One can even scan film negatives with a dslr.
Sir I love 💕💕 watching your videos, u made me what I am today, am watching from Ghana
Thank you so much for educating me! ❤
Sorin your age really imprise how smart and knowledgeable your
Live longer, we are younger generation caring nothing about common sense
No such thing as common sense.
It's very clear sir,, I got the clear explanation i wanted. THANK YOU SIR
I don't use a microscope, much easier with just a camera and monitor, for me anyway.
I have found your light source needs to be at angle to get rid of the reflections and shadows, I only use my ring light for board inspection.
With cheap cameras, you will need angled light source.
Common sense lacks surely. I completed a Dip in Photography, but I am visually handicapped today and tried to convince my bosses at a large UK financial institution that a 32inch TV will not only suite me better, but cost less than a 4k Dell Monitor. They insisted in buying the Dell and speech recognition software and when I could not adjust they put me on disability retirement. I was a Certified Forensic Examiner holding a B in Forensic and Investigative Auditing. Not only did I loose the 3 best years of my pension, but also not being able to train a new generation with my wealth of knowledge..😭
Bine mai Sorine.
Thank you for teaching
Good explanation!
Understood. Thanks. I'm curious if you tilted things around then the bright spots would go away. I just use a midrange phone pinch zoomed with jewelers loupe. Any recommendations which midrange phone has the best or should I just go back to a galaxy S1?
cannot wait for sorins reply to one of the comments......
very good advice to know :)
What Sorin is sayin here about the cameras is true.
Thanks sir
Hats off
So do you use that Canon DSLR with a “C” adapter as your microscope?
I 100% agree with that nonsense about megapixels.
But there is a problem with your practical exercise, you were comparing those 3 cameras with different distances from the board. The bigger distance, the worse reflections you get.
just look at a sony a7s mkr3 got 12megapixel and you can film in the dark as its day and you can still see every detail in the shadow and you can see streetlights, its insane how good that is
and then there is this guy saying: yo my smartphone got more megapixel
:D cool and now? you can zoom in your trash picture?
You are right Sorin but you didnt make clear enough one thing I believe. You should have discussed the sensor size. The ratio of sensor size to number of pixels is also important. You can have a low number of pixels but if the senasor is also relatively small then pixel sensitivity will not necessarily be better.
yep sensor size is one of the most important thing on a camera, bigger better
If you properly light your scene, you can fit the shadows and highlights within the dynamic range limits. You basically have to add light to the shadows, and the highlights will go away with the auto-adjust. If you adjust your exposure manually for the highlights, you'll have very dark shadows if you don't add light, but that will work if you all you need to see is the light area.
Sorin you should try a polarized light ring for you microscope 🔬 ... thank me later😉
To sum all up Sorin you need better camera ? I don't know but guy from Northridgefix has a good one...i know that im the guy who was always asking for better picture 🤣, but it is better now with filter
@@ShainAndrews Your comment has no sense...
The original video was about compensating for the bad dynamic range on the cheap camera, with filtered polarized light. Why use a polarized light source if you are filtering it anyway? You will achieve the same by not using the light source, or using a weak light source.
good point . or maybe .... Sorin helps us understand . 🤔
I'm also with 14 Pro like you. Very very good camera.
basically the bigger the sensor is the more light it will capture
Iphone has magnifier apps inbuilt which is better than the camera for microscope.
If you down-sample image of a 100 mega pixel camera by software to 4 mega pixel you will get better image quality, because the noise averages out. One big problem is the sensor size, not just the megapixels. Sensors become smaller and smaller to accommodate smaller and cheaper lenses and to save on silicon cost. A modern100 megapixel camera with big sensor down sampled to 4 megapixel will have a good image quality, just as good as that old canon camera. The real issue is sensor size and size of the lenses- not just high resolution. Big high resolution sensors, combined with downsampling give excellent picture quality. That is why canon uses such sensors in modern products.
Why you just can't adjust 10x or so smaller resolution on phone and take better picture, with less noise etc.... ? Ooo You actually can . And it is default... Phone with 60mpx camera is taking 16mpx pictures as default... for example... If you want 100mpx picture you must go to ultra hi res mode...
did sorin quit his job?
now phones have to use "pixel binning" to make less pixels 🤣🤣 because there is too much pixels. Can you believe Sorin?
nowadays people forgot what they want,they just buy what we sell them.......lol
Good intelligent people prefer long videos because we have an attention span unlike the idiots.
almost 14 min u call short, whouuu what is long than for you ?
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Look you have a crap microscope camera quite simple. Deal with it, forget all rest of the rubbish.. it's the damn camera sensor, Sony rule with imx sensors 100% for microscopes n nothing to do with dslr camera total different sensor type.
@@ShainAndrews you tell me I've 37yrs experience and 6 repair shops ?
@@ShainAndrews proofs in the pudding, if you think his scope picture is fine, so be it no one else does, as to my experience could care less what you think.
@@ShainAndrews Give it a break buddy better using my time to run business than entertain would bes on RUclips, you simply don't get it do you megapixels dslr camera, phone cameras have NO CORRELATION whatsoever in this case , microscope camera are all about sensors inside which are microscope sensors, only and idiot would buy a scope camera on how many megapixels it has. It's always about sensors. Hence why my scope cameras cost 600 bux and are 4k 8mp with Sony imx334 sensors. Learn stuff before mouthing off about things you clearly know nothing about. Last time I saw dslr camera on a scope was 15yrs ago.