we're truly in the golden age of power meters for offroad. just think, a few years ago if you were on mtb and wanted to track power you basically had to move heaven and earth to make it happen. now not only are offroad pm pedals readily available, but you have multiple brands to choose from. what a time to be alive!
12:24 - That's the Gravel Fondo event in Lorne (VIC) on 9 September 2023! I was there and saw you but didn't want to bother you. Pretty cool to know that you were actually testing these pedals at the time! That gravel event was insane and I pretty much walked up the whole way on that section of 20% in muddy conditions. I think I just made the cut by about 10 minutes as no one else arrived at the rest station (after I'd rested for ~10mins). I even did the Medio Fondo (60km on the Great Ocean Road) the next day and managed to finish 19th! I was pretty happy with that! 😁
Spot on! I use SPDs on all my bikes. More float and shoe choices. Plus, I can walk safely in 7-11! I'm looking forward to getting a set of the MX-1 single sided pedals. Cheers
The best news so far at least. I''ve been looking for an SPD pedal based power meter, but poor reports on the Garmin Rally XCs put me off. These might be ideal!
Damn, you kept this quiet, though threw us a few hints here and there. That they trusted you with them for so long is testament to both parties. Love my Assiomas. Looking forward to adding these to the stable. If they used the same spindle technology on a new road pedal then I'd make an altar to them in the back yard devoted to whichever Roman God they took a fancy to. No rabbit holes. always good.
Oh happy day...no more slicing up MTB shoes to use with my Duo conversion. Thsnks for the review Shane. Looks like Favero has another winner. Now to get my hands on some 😂. Thanks also for the exhaustive testing. Riders can be fairly confident that the product will meet real world expectations.
@@74_Green No a SPD-SL version that is just like the SPD version that they just came out with. The problem with the version that you mention is that it alters the Q factor which matters to me who can't cope with that.
Looks really good. I have a set of Assiomas for my indoor bike, think I might get a pair of these for my outside road bike at some point. I've always preferred SPDs on the road and a pedal-based power meter is just so flexible.
Amazing review. Well done Shane and Favero as well. Been waiting for the for a long time and hope to get my hands on them soon. Hope a Duo refresh is also around the corner 😀😀
I received mine last week and I've done about 130km on them so far, gravel and road, and they are amazing. And no squeak. I am never going back to my Garmins.
Excellent review even if it was the tip of the iceberg from the last 12 months! These pedals are superb! If I was in the market for one, this is top of the list. Shimano, lol, ball in your court is too kind!
Love yours + Peak Torque's convincing reviews. Now it's a matter of time before actually being able to get one... That €614 + VAT is quite close here in the Netherlands: 614 * 1.21 = 742.94 versus 748.99 retail price.
I wish you had released this video a little bit sooner, I recently got the Garmin XC200s. This ones seem to be lighter, cheaper body replacements and rechargeable. They look really good and as always a great review and analysis. Thanks a lot.
Assioma, accurate, rock solid and not too pricey. Another one that will sell well I imagine. Wonder if the electronics in the spindle will come to their road pedals dispensing with the pod next to the cranks? I still love my assioma duos four plus years after getting them and the built in battery lasts for ages between charges.
Man listen, you had me at "DOES NOT SQUEAK"! . I've owned 2 different Garmin Rally XC200 bodies and BOTH of them SQUEAK to high heaven! . Bear in mind, I owned a pair of Shimano SPD for at least 10 years and have NEVER greased them and they STILL don't make a peep!🙄
I've had two whole replacements from Garmin, they still squeak enough to actually ruin solo rides because it drives me insane. I have to completely cover them in white lithium grease to stop it. It makes them so dirty, so annoying. The Garmins are also loose. I'll definitely get these when they are in stock. Garmin makes a good power meter, but a terrible terrible terrible spd pedal. I've also had Shimano SPD pedals since the 90s and I have never had a pair that squeaked.
@@nssomething8370 I just KNEW I couldn't be the ONLY one....but I REALLY wish these "prominent" RUclips reviewers would have been MORE VOCAL about this issue!🤷♀
@@EagleEye-MJG I have to think that youtube reviewers have simply hidden the squeak fact because it is absolutely there. It seems to start happening after the first 100km of riding maybe, but once it starts, it never ends. It's incessant, it's loud, it's super annoying. I spray white lithium grease on the entire pedal, both sides, before every ride now. Well, hopefully I never have to do that again.
My second pair of faveros just got an expedo upgrade. I went with CXR’s this time which are almost as wide as shimano pedals but not these! These look as stable as xtr feels . The expedo titanium body’s where so slim they barley gave anything to stand on and did not last long. Its very cool favero thought of that and provide affordable replacement’s. About a year ago expedo was sold out of all pedals that could be used for faveros and I ended up wearing road shoes all summer. I was clip clopping in and out of offices and always got looks. Everyone assumed I was someone wearing heels and not a delivery driver dropping off packages. 😅
I was looking at these last night. Out of stock. And no reviews anywhere. Until it look now having my mid morning coffee. I was after a new set of power pedals for my new build winter bike. I decide to stick with the tried and tested Assioma Duos. Hope I don’t regret it later now.
I don't expect that to happen. The spindle and the two bearings on the Eggbeaters are lubricated through the end cap, so they would have to completely redesign those pedals to accept the Assioma's MX internals.
Great review as always 🥇. One question- how does the stack height compare with an Xtr pedal? Shimano quote 15.1mm stack height but I’m guessing that’s including the sh51 cleat (approx 6mm).
One person's issue is another's feature. This is exactly what i've been waiting for, and I'm shopping for new pedal/PM setup as we speak; _however_ I need a slightly wider Q-factor (as do many) and hoped these would have that, like some of the Shimano SPD / SQLabs /Crankbrother platforms and the Duo-Shi. Alas this would probably yet again require solid spacers, which have some issues.... fk
This new PRO max uses needle bearings. The only way to make a spd sl powermeter pedal is to use shimanos own pedal bodies due to patents I believe. So it would be hard to make the bearing set up work. I think a look system would be possible though?
Looks like an excellent product Shane. Hopefully Favero will release an updated Duo Shi SPD-SL system with a normal Q factor in the not too distant future. 🤞🏼🙏🏼
I'd love one for SL pedal bodies as well, this time with no extra Q-Factor like Duo-Shi. I'm quite optimistic for it as well since SPD-SL's patents should be expiring if I recall.
Got the Rally XC100 about a month ago at a 400 USD price instead of the usual whopping 700 USD MSRP Garmin is asking for it. Considering that almost none of my local retailers have it the chance to get it means the options for a reasonable discounted price are limited. So this new pedal should hopefully open up the SPD power-meter pedal market a bit for those that want it.
where did you get this deal. Considering getting X100 anways since availability will take a while and hopefully garmin drops their pants on the XC now there's some competition
Those still look mint after your testing. Did you experienced some pedal hits on rocks or roots? That's something that I am afraid will ruin the expensive SPDs on the mountain bike.
I made sure to film these before they were beaten up too much outside. They've been holding up well so far. I guess time will tell once these start hitting the market in their 1000s.
Definitely going to get a set of the MX2's! On a different note... how do you like the Pirelli tires? Waiting (patiently...) on a backordered set of Scorpion XC RC tires.
Shane, thank you for your excellent content. Do you think the release of this pedal power meter might suggest they now have a new design that could be the basis of a proper Shimano road pedal power meter with a standard 53ish Q-factor? I’m going to buy these pedals for my gravel bike that has an affected R8000 crank and a Stages L/R power meter. I need a solution for my Road bike with the same crank/power meter problem and would like the same manufacturer.
I might have missed it in the “getting ready for school noise” mate, but do you know when/where are they going to be available on our shores in Australia mate? I was about to get the Garmin XC 200’s, thank god I seen this and Ray’s video last night.
No indication when they’ll be available here in Australia. FE Sports would be the best to ping. Direct should still be an option if you want to roll the dice with customs/duty fees.
Would you recommend going for the FV Pro MX pedals or modding a pair Duos. Running gravel shoes and can’t see myself changing but the few hundreds saving on the mod is nice. Or for the few hundred dollars more let the factory do it. Suppose having the option to change back to spd if I ever wanted to is a thought. How do these rate vs the duos?
I have a gravel bike that I never ride that has SPD pedals. I am now more motivated to ride that bike if for no other reason than I want to buy these new Assioma PRO MX pedals! I am a very satisfied user of the Look-based Assioma road pedals...they are the best in the industry and I would not consider using anything else on my road bike. Thanks for your usual great detailed review Shane!
Duo Shi’s started going crazy after a few years, with refurbishing after one year. Hope these last longer. Do you know if these have two bearings, one at each end of the pedal body?
I’ll wait at least one year for real life user feedback and all issues being ironed out since moving away from pods makes the a revolution not an evolution. But they do look like a sweet update. When measuring power do you record 1 per sec or do you set it to automatic? In my experience 1 per sec leads to pretty significant gaps in recorded values.
Oh I’m across issues with the Garmin XC. I’m hoping Garmin gets back to me before my Pro MX vs Rally XC video… it’ll be all very one sided at the moment.
Hi Shane, how do you find installation and removal of these pedals? Recently 8mm hex is de-facto standard but this pedals requires pedal wrench or spanner. That can be a deal breaker for me. I think nobody is really able to properly torque them... though I do have pedal wrench torque adaptor which I hate to use. (need torque conversion or calc so never be accurate, like you do with ChatGPT.) Also I have really bad experience from spanner to remove pedals. Cutting hands by chainring when removing pedals, or strip pedal axle. With dedicated pedal wrench the angle of torquing is quite safe but it's really hard to source outside my house a day before event, so probably will use such as 17cm spanner as you do in the video. I am simply terrified by it... And powermeter is in pedal axle so I don't wanna strip it.
Zero issues installing and removing these with an open wrench. 🔧 Here’s the best technique (just adjust for the open wrench vs hex): ruclips.net/video/qTtxoheAG10/видео.html
@@gplama Thanks. I do have long dedicated pedal wrench but it's not portable so probably will purchase shorter one to make the technique works (I don't think it works with non-angled wrench). Just ordered Pro MX-2. Wish they work good for me too.
Seems to be a great option. The only question mark is durability of the pretty exposed charging contacts. How do power pedals stack up in terms of durability against crashes compared to crank based solutions?
SRM made a running change to their X-Power SPD pedals about 12 months ago, iirc. I believe it was to address issues with the spindle. Time will tell with these PRO MX. No issues for me to date with the charging.
I wanted these and the website says out of stock. How stupid is that? They say they will release today and they don’t have any stock. Why not just wait to release them until you’ve built them? I guess it gives me time to shop around for different options. These look nice but it’s such a tease 😛
Other than left /right balance info, there does not seem much to gain in going for duos. Everything is within a few watts and repeatable with the single sided systems or unos etc. Am I missing something. Most of the time I am looking at training repeatability, the numbers could be anything as long as repeatable. OK sure it is nice to know how you stack up against others I guess, but even the one sided solution is offering fantastic accuracy beyond drive chain loss.
Any thoughts on how these compare to SRM X-Power? I can see the Assioma beat the SRM on price and battery life, but there are of course other considerations, too.
Just ordered a pair today and looking forward to switch between my mtb and gravel bike. They will replace my stages. Just one question: Does anyone know about the internal battery in case of failure or age (now sure how many charging cycles they are good for)? Do they offer a "replacement kit" or something similar? Edit: ordered on Tuesday, arrived 1day later in Germany 👍
Hi Shane do you have a video comparing the readings of a dual powermeter vs a single sided one? i know dual is more accurate but is there a big difference in the accuracy?
Single sided is accurate for what it measures. That being just the left side. If you’re 50/50 balanced at all times on the bike (nobody is), it’ll be spot on. For everything else you’ll have a power number that’ll be pretty close to what you’re doing, but you can never be sure. There’s a whole can of worms here that gets opened and argued about on forums.
@@gplama very well, the only thing is that I'm not sure about the OCP because my left foot was of center toward the external like yours, floating around 5mm up to spikes at 10-13mm but my cleats was adjusted by a bike fitter (but without the Assioma MX Pro) so I'm not sure about that as I do not have other power meter pedals to compare. Could be my position. Did you have the same offset with the Garmin Rally?
@@fotmheki probably you are sitting too high. (even after the "bike fit"... ) lots of people has too tight hamstrings and calves or they are stretching nothing or not enough and as they are training a lot, the mucles gets tighter and the good bike fit (with loosen muscles) turns to not-so-good-bike fit
Favero are claiming stack height is 11.2 mm yet Shimano states their XTR is 15.1 mm. Does that seem correct to you? Also how did you find the stability of the pedals? (mtb shoes use the tread to engage with the pedal body and provide lateral stability, my Sworks shoes were rubbish with Shimano spd pedals as the tread blocks were too short to engage with the pedal and I had to swap to eggbeaters where I can adjust them with the pedal contact sleeves).
Stack height for SPD pedals is a weird one. I think some companies include the cleat and measure from the centre of the spindle to the top of the cleat (where the shoe starts).
So that would make Faveros true stack height as 17.9 mm. That's quite a tall pedal when reviewers complain about Time mtb pedals having a high stack height. Thanks both for clearing that up.
Assioma app, Apple update or specific to the pedal type? That data would be good to see for us with knee issues and trying to develop better pedalling mechanics.
Any word yet on whether these will be swappable with other pedal bodies? I find it hard to believe you haven’t already started experimenting or at least thinking about it. 😂
Do you have any experience or qualified guesses about how well these will hold up against regular impacts against rocks, logs etc while riding when it comes to retaining accuracy?
Literally no reasons to get garmin pedals now, assioma duos are known to be very accurate and very long lasting. The only thing might be the battery life vs cr2032s but for most people charging once every couple weeks isn't too much of a bother.
the Quarq and its MagicZero can produce such an anomalies... (this is why i dont like them, the latest v10 fw is not perfect) as i checked, You had a shorter stop, maybe the unit got sunlight and got warmer , started, there was a long coasting at 2:29, it adjusted the the MZ the wrong offset (maybe) due to the wrong temp measurement (by the previous stop's effect), and it remained on it till the next autozero or manual zero. The Quarq is using much older (and dumber) strain gauges then the Assiomas or the Power2Max NG series, this is why these are always pinpoint (if the static/slope accuracy is perfect), and this is why the Quarqs not (even the AXS neither)...
we're truly in the golden age of power meters for offroad. just think, a few years ago if you were on mtb and wanted to track power you basically had to move heaven and earth to make it happen. now not only are offroad pm pedals readily available, but you have multiple brands to choose from. what a time to be alive!
Good times indeed! 👌🏼
Shane - you do an invaluable job for the cycling community. Thank you!
Thanks for the kind words. I hope people are better informed from watching my content and in turn have a better time on their bikes. 👌🏼
12:24 - That's the Gravel Fondo event in Lorne (VIC) on 9 September 2023! I was there and saw you but didn't want to bother you.
Pretty cool to know that you were actually testing these pedals at the time!
That gravel event was insane and I pretty much walked up the whole way on that section of 20% in muddy conditions. I think I just made the cut by about 10 minutes as no one else arrived at the rest station (after I'd rested for ~10mins).
I even did the Medio Fondo (60km on the Great Ocean Road) the next day and managed to finish 19th! I was pretty happy with that! 😁
Let's hope for an upgrade to the road version too
The road version is so good that I can't justify an upgrade to those.
@@dangurtler7177 mine are needing new bodies by now, so I could justify an upgrade. The work absolutely fine though
You are allowed to ride SPD on the road, just like half of us out here do.
@@stephensmith2820 you're also allowed to ride without a power meter which is what most of the planet does. Nothing wrong with an upgrade though
Hot take, but SPD pedals are fine for road too. Looking forward to these as an alternative to Garmin!
Fine for road, great for gravel. Excellent allrounder. These are not alternative for Garmin. These make Garmin obsolete.
Same here, I use spd's for mtb, road and gravel. One nice pair of mtb shoes...
I use spd for road, much more variation for shoes.
Spot on! I use SPDs on all my bikes. More float and shoe choices. Plus, I can walk safely in 7-11!
I'm looking forward to getting a set of the MX-1 single sided pedals.
Cheers
I'm a pure roadie but I use SPD on all my road bikes
The SPD pedal system I've been waiting for. 👌
Best news of the year!
The best news so far at least. I''ve been looking for an SPD pedal based power meter, but poor reports on the Garmin Rally XCs put me off. These might be ideal!
Ekar 2.0 drops shortly…… within hours…….this news may be even better 🎉
Damn, you kept this quiet, though threw us a few hints here and there. That they trusted you with them for so long is testament to both parties. Love my Assiomas. Looking forward to adding these to the stable. If they used the same spindle technology on a new road pedal then I'd make an altar to them in the back yard devoted to whichever Roman God they took a fancy to. No rabbit holes. always good.
Ordered mine today October 25th 2024. Because of your reviews, thank you!
Nice one. Keep me posted how they go.
@@gplama Ordered mine today December 2024 thanks.👍
Oh happy day...no more slicing up MTB shoes to use with my Duo conversion. Thsnks for the review Shane. Looks like Favero has another winner. Now to get my hands on some 😂.
Thanks also for the exhaustive testing. Riders can be fairly confident that the product will meet real world expectations.
Can't wait for an SPD-SL version of these.
??? Assioma Duo-shi, has been out for ages.
@@74_Green No a SPD-SL version that is just like the SPD version that they just came out with. The problem with the version that you mention is that it alters the Q factor which matters to me who can't cope with that.
Preordered, one week later was able to order, arrived today, installed and setup. First true ride commencing tomorrow.
Finally they are here but according to Assioma shop „out of stock“…..available in two months….
They’re going to be popular.
Thanks Shane. I have been hanging out for this review ever since Favero's Italian soft launch.
Looks really good. I have a set of Assiomas for my indoor bike, think I might get a pair of these for my outside road bike at some point. I've always preferred SPDs on the road and a pedal-based power meter is just so flexible.
Amazing review. Well done Shane and Favero as well. Been waiting for the for a long time and hope to get my hands on them soon. Hope a Duo refresh is also around the corner 😀😀
Mine arrive today. Had to wait about 2 months. I Can't wait to try them out.
Keep me posted on how they go.
I received mine last week and I've done about 130km on them so far, gravel and road, and they are amazing. And no squeak. I am never going back to my Garmins.
Excellent review even if it was the tip of the iceberg from the last 12 months! These pedals are superb! If I was in the market for one, this is top of the list. Shimano, lol, ball in your court is too kind!
Best product of the year!
Love yours + Peak Torque's convincing reviews. Now it's a matter of time before actually being able to get one...
That €614 + VAT is quite close here in the Netherlands: 614 * 1.21 = 742.94 versus 748.99 retail price.
I have the assimo duo, LOVE them. Im certain the mountain bike PM are just as awesome
I wish you had released this video a little bit sooner, I recently got the Garmin XC200s. This ones seem to be lighter, cheaper body replacements and rechargeable. They look really good and as always a great review and analysis. Thanks a lot.
The pedal was only released officially yesterday :)
@@R2Magnum I know, that's why I said I wish :D. Not that the XC200 are bad but you know, it would have been nice to pay less money.
@@Ballantinyou'll be waiting months before they're release here so take some comfort in that.
@Ballantin everyone knew these would be cheaper and better than our Garmins. The release date was always the problem.
Favero always 💯
This new design needs to find its way into an SPD-SL compatible pedal body!
Can't wait to get my hands on these!
Hell yes! been waiting for a favero mtb pedal! will buy asap
Assioma, accurate, rock solid and not too pricey. Another one that will sell well I imagine. Wonder if the electronics in the spindle will come to their road pedals dispensing with the pod next to the cranks? I still love my assioma duos four plus years after getting them and the built in battery lasts for ages between charges.
I can confirm. These pedals are great.
Man listen, you had me at "DOES NOT SQUEAK"!
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I've owned 2 different Garmin Rally XC200 bodies and BOTH of them SQUEAK to high heaven!
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Bear in mind, I owned a pair of Shimano SPD for at least 10 years and have NEVER greased them and they STILL don't make a peep!🙄
I've had two whole replacements from Garmin, they still squeak enough to actually ruin solo rides because it drives me insane. I have to completely cover them in white lithium grease to stop it. It makes them so dirty, so annoying. The Garmins are also loose. I'll definitely get these when they are in stock. Garmin makes a good power meter, but a terrible terrible terrible spd pedal. I've also had Shimano SPD pedals since the 90s and I have never had a pair that squeaked.
@@nssomething8370 I just KNEW I couldn't be the ONLY one....but I REALLY wish these "prominent" RUclips reviewers would have been MORE VOCAL about this issue!🤷♀
@@EagleEye-MJG I have to think that youtube reviewers have simply hidden the squeak fact because it is absolutely there. It seems to start happening after the first 100km of riding maybe, but once it starts, it never ends. It's incessant, it's loud, it's super annoying. I spray white lithium grease on the entire pedal, both sides, before every ride now. Well, hopefully I never have to do that again.
Im hoping a road Shimano-compatible with a normal q-factor will come out soon? I’d buy it in a heartbeat
Got mine in pre-sale (the company is like 5km from my place). Absolutely brillant, finally I can throw my Garmin Rally out of the window!
My second pair of faveros just got an expedo upgrade. I went with CXR’s this time which are almost as wide as shimano pedals but not these! These look as stable as xtr feels . The expedo titanium body’s where so slim they barley gave anything to stand on and did not last long. Its very cool favero thought of that and provide affordable replacement’s. About a year ago expedo was sold out of all pedals that could be used for faveros and I ended up wearing road shoes all summer. I was clip clopping in and out of offices and always got looks. Everyone assumed I was someone wearing heels and not a delivery driver dropping off packages. 😅
Great Pedals for the price! a reference for All!
Excellent. Thank you!
I was looking at these last night. Out of stock. And no reviews anywhere. Until it look now having my mid morning coffee. I was after a new set of power pedals for my new build winter bike. I decide to stick with the tried and tested Assioma Duos. Hope I don’t regret it later now.
Such a good company, have the road pedals, so good 👍🏻👍🏻
Seems Assioma is delivering another prime product. Now we only have to pray and wait for an Eggbeater version!
I don't expect that to happen. The spindle and the two bearings on the Eggbeaters are lubricated through the end cap, so they would have to completely redesign those pedals to accept the Assioma's MX internals.
Completely sold out for the next 2 months and I can see why. These look brilliant.
Would love to see the additional features backported to the original Assiomas. The data is all there, for sure. It is just a matter of displaying it.
Exciting for sure! Though last month I invested 250 euros for crank brothers pedals and a shoe, so this one has to wait a bit 😬
thanks for the another review
Finally, Wooop wooop!!! 😄
Excellent! Thank you for your work. Will be good to update my assioma SPD hacked pedals which I just smacked into the tarmac. 😢
Assioma Pro RD coming soon?
Sold!
Great review as always 🥇. One question- how does the stack height compare with an Xtr pedal? Shimano quote 15.1mm stack height but I’m guessing that’s including the sh51 cleat (approx 6mm).
Favero will use the updated spindle to offer an SPD-SL pedal without the Q factor issues that the last gen Duo-Shi pedals had, you would think
Flipping hope so
One person's issue is another's feature. This is exactly what i've been waiting for, and I'm shopping for new pedal/PM setup as we speak; _however_ I need a slightly wider Q-factor (as do many) and hoped these would have that, like some of the Shimano SPD / SQLabs /Crankbrother platforms and the Duo-Shi.
Alas this would probably yet again require solid spacers, which have some issues.... fk
This new PRO max uses needle bearings. The only way to make a spd sl powermeter pedal is to use shimanos own pedal bodies due to patents I believe. So it would be hard to make the bearing set up work. I think a look system would be possible though?
@@getur99 pretty sure the patent has run out on the SPD-SL's. Definitely some aftermarket pedals floating around now that use that cleat.
Looks like an excellent product Shane. Hopefully Favero will release an updated Duo Shi SPD-SL system with a normal Q factor in the not too distant future. 🤞🏼🙏🏼
Shimano states 15.1mm stack height for XTR. But they measure end-to-end, not to the center (half). In your measurement it would be 22.4mm for Faveros.
Finally!!!!
Curious if the updated spindle wil be released also for the road peddles
Thinking about it, Shane is probably riding them for a year now, but didn't tell us.
Now I need new pedals for my gravel bike
Thanks for the review, Shane. Will these work with Xpedo pedals, like the old and trusted Assimos?
No. It’s a new spindle, so I assume it’ll only be compatible with Favero pedal bodies. We’ll have to see if there are any hacks for these!
What do you think, when these pedals will come with SPD-SL pedal bodies?
I'll be upgrading as soon as they do!
I'd love one for SL pedal bodies as well, this time with no extra Q-Factor like Duo-Shi. I'm quite optimistic for it as well since SPD-SL's patents should be expiring if I recall.
Just got these, do you think there will be a road conversion down the road?
I hope so!
That sould be an unbeatable winner!
Hi Shane, will you be covering the Taipei Bike Show this year?
I won’t be at the show this year. I’ll cover what I can remotely though. I’ll be at Eurobike later in the year.
Got the Rally XC100 about a month ago at a 400 USD price instead of the usual whopping 700 USD MSRP Garmin is asking for it. Considering that almost none of my local retailers have it the chance to get it means the options for a reasonable discounted price are limited. So this new pedal should hopefully open up the SPD power-meter pedal market a bit for those that want it.
where did you get this deal. Considering getting X100 anways since availability will take a while and hopefully garmin drops their pants on the XC now there's some competition
Those still look mint after your testing. Did you experienced some pedal hits on rocks or roots? That's something that I am afraid will ruin the expensive SPDs on the mountain bike.
I made sure to film these before they were beaten up too much outside. They've been holding up well so far. I guess time will tell once these start hitting the market in their 1000s.
Definitely going to get a set of the MX2's! On a different note... how do you like the Pirelli tires? Waiting (patiently...) on a backordered set of Scorpion XC RC tires.
Love them. Watch the intro where the rear steps out and the tyre bites into the ground and saves me from ending up on the dirt! 👌🏼😅
Shane, thank you for your excellent content. Do you think the release of this pedal power meter might suggest they now have a new design that could be the basis of a proper Shimano road pedal power meter with a standard 53ish Q-factor? I’m going to buy these pedals for my gravel bike that has an affected R8000 crank and a Stages L/R power meter. I need a solution for my Road bike with the same crank/power meter problem and would like the same manufacturer.
I really hope that's on their product timeline.
@@gplama I think they say "Hope" is not a strategy...
Sold out everywhere. I can’t find them.
I might have missed it in the “getting ready for school noise” mate, but do you know when/where are they going to be available on our shores in Australia mate? I was about to get the Garmin XC 200’s, thank god I seen this and Ray’s video last night.
No indication when they’ll be available here in Australia. FE Sports would be the best to ping. Direct should still be an option if you want to roll the dice with customs/duty fees.
@@gplama legend. Thanks Shane. I’ve looked on the Favero website and all out of stock.
Would you recommend going for the FV Pro MX pedals or modding a pair Duos.
Running gravel shoes and can’t see myself changing but the few hundreds saving on the mod is nice.
Or for the few hundred dollars more let the factory do it.
Suppose having the option to change back to spd if I ever wanted to is a thought.
How do these rate vs the duos?
Small correction: It's Fávero, stress on the first syllable :)
I’d like to see a video on peak power data with the Kickr claims/Elite Rizer. Does the angle really make a difference or is it just the resistance.
I have a gravel bike that I never ride that has SPD pedals. I am now more motivated to ride that bike if for no other reason than I want to buy these new Assioma PRO MX pedals! I am a very satisfied user of the Look-based Assioma road pedals...they are the best in the industry and I would not consider using anything else on my road bike. Thanks for your usual great detailed review Shane!
They seem to be out of stock everywhere?
I’m guessing they’re yet to open preorder.
Is it a good time to buy Assioma Duo? Or should we expect an upgraded version soon?
I'm just at the edge of ordering assioma duo.
Duo Shi’s started going crazy after a few years, with refurbishing after one year. Hope these last longer. Do you know if these have two bearings, one at each end of the pedal body?
what you call horrible conditions, we use to call normal conditions (GER) 😂
You mean Wunderbar
I jumped into the comments to say the same, inly a few kilometres further south…
😅 In Germany in winter these would be great conditions.
I felt the same when living in Germany - then I moved to the Netherlands, where most mtb-routes are closed due to constant flooding!
😂❤
I’ll wait at least one year for real life user feedback and all issues being ironed out since moving away from pods makes the a revolution not an evolution. But they do look like a sweet update.
When measuring power do you record 1 per sec or do you set it to automatic? In my experience 1 per sec leads to pretty significant gaps in recorded values.
doesnt matter, always 1s is the recording rate in the FIT file with powermeter (in Garmins)
@@andraslukoviczki519 since you added "(in Garmins)" are there other devices which can record continuous power riding outdoors?
Are these as good as the Rotor 2inPower ? specifically is the 2inpower worth the money over these?
You've had these HOW long and didn't tell us? NDA be damned sir!! 😊
I haven't been able to post any bike photos for a while because of this. Or I've had to edit the photo before posting. :)
They're sold out and I can't order them for two months, apparently. But I would have ordered them at launch if I could.
im crying insdie
i bougth the garmin version 2,5 months ago , i never had anyproblem with favero pedals i cant say the same about garmin.
Oh I’m across issues with the Garmin XC. I’m hoping Garmin gets back to me before my Pro MX vs Rally XC video… it’ll be all very one sided at the moment.
@@gplama oh boy i cant wait for that video and to be able to hulksmash the like button harder then ever before :P :D
Hi Shane, how do you find installation and removal of these pedals? Recently 8mm hex is de-facto standard but this pedals requires pedal wrench or spanner. That can be a deal breaker for me. I think nobody is really able to properly torque them... though I do have pedal wrench torque adaptor which I hate to use. (need torque conversion or calc so never be accurate, like you do with ChatGPT.)
Also I have really bad experience from spanner to remove pedals. Cutting hands by chainring when removing pedals, or strip pedal axle.
With dedicated pedal wrench the angle of torquing is quite safe but it's really hard to source outside my house a day before event, so probably will use such as 17cm spanner as you do in the video. I am simply terrified by it... And powermeter is in pedal axle so I don't wanna strip it.
Zero issues installing and removing these with an open wrench. 🔧 Here’s the best technique (just adjust for the open wrench vs hex): ruclips.net/video/qTtxoheAG10/видео.html
@@gplama Thanks. I do have long dedicated pedal wrench but it's not portable so probably will purchase shorter one to make the technique works (I don't think it works with non-angled wrench). Just ordered Pro MX-2. Wish they work good for me too.
Seems to be a great option. The only question mark is durability of the pretty exposed charging contacts. How do power pedals stack up in terms of durability against crashes compared to crank based solutions?
Recessed and Gold plated so should be fairly bullet proof
@@getur99 But also no cover and exposed to grinding paste like mud. I hope they had testers in cyclocross.
SRM has a similar solution on their pedals. The contacts mean nothing but trouble for me.
SRM made a running change to their X-Power SPD pedals about 12 months ago, iirc. I believe it was to address issues with the spindle. Time will tell with these PRO MX. No issues for me to date with the charging.
I wanted these and the website says out of stock. How stupid is that? They say they will release today and they don’t have any stock. Why not just wait to release them until you’ve built them? I guess it gives me time to shop around for different options. These look nice but it’s such a tease 😛
Here i am hoping they 1 day make a time body to replace the spd body.
Anyone know if you can take the MX spindle and put it in a Shimano SPD body?
No
Other than left /right balance info, there does not seem much to gain in going for duos. Everything is within a few watts and repeatable with the single sided systems or unos etc. Am I missing something. Most of the time I am looking at training repeatability, the numbers could be anything as long as repeatable. OK sure it is nice to know how you stack up against others I guess, but even the one sided solution is offering fantastic accuracy beyond drive chain loss.
No squeak hmm? Won't be swapping these by my Garmins anytime soon then, I'd miss those 2 little birds that come with me every ride chirping away.
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When will these be available in Australia? Can find stock anywhere
They’ll be available direct before they hit retail stores here.
Have you had many pedal strikes on these pedals? How did they hold up and how has the power data been after such strikes? Thanks!
Here's the follow-up video you're after: ruclips.net/video/PSvFC8VYQVY/видео.html
How can I see the IAV data for the Assioma DUO for road? My app doesn't have any of that.
this live data is only for the PRO (yet?)
Hello, will it be enough to use the version that has a potentiometer in a single pedal for non-professional use?
Any thoughts on how these compare to SRM X-Power? I can see the Assioma beat the SRM on price and battery life, but there are of course other considerations, too.
I’ve reviewed the first generation of those. Not great.
Just ordered a pair today and looking forward to switch between my mtb and gravel bike. They will replace my stages. Just one question: Does anyone know about the internal battery in case of failure or age (now sure how many charging cycles they are good for)? Do they offer a "replacement kit" or something similar?
Edit: ordered on Tuesday, arrived 1day later in Germany 👍
Hi Shane do you have a video comparing the readings of a dual powermeter vs a single sided one? i know dual is more accurate but is there a big difference in the accuracy?
Single sided is accurate for what it measures. That being just the left side. If you’re 50/50 balanced at all times on the bike (nobody is), it’ll be spot on. For everything else you’ll have a power number that’ll be pretty close to what you’re doing, but you can never be sure. There’s a whole can of worms here that gets opened and argued about on forums.
So we can spoke about them now? I'm using them since a few weeks
The advantage of being Italian 😂
🇮🇹🤌🏻 How have they performed for you?
@@gplama 53mm is the factory Q factor spec. so your measurement was close/good! :)
@@gplama very well, the only thing is that I'm not sure about the OCP because my left foot was of center toward the external like yours, floating around 5mm up to spikes at 10-13mm but my cleats was adjusted by a bike fitter (but without the Assioma MX Pro) so I'm not sure about that as I do not have other power meter pedals to compare. Could be my position.
Did you have the same offset with the Garmin Rally?
@@fotmheki probably you are sitting too high. (even after the "bike fit"... ) lots of people has too tight hamstrings and calves or they are stretching nothing or not enough and as they are training a lot, the mucles gets tighter and the good bike fit (with loosen muscles) turns to not-so-good-bike fit
Favero are claiming stack height is 11.2 mm yet Shimano states their XTR is 15.1 mm. Does that seem correct to you? Also how did you find the stability of the pedals? (mtb shoes use the tread to engage with the pedal body and provide lateral stability, my Sworks shoes were rubbish with Shimano spd pedals as the tread blocks were too short to engage with the pedal and I had to swap to eggbeaters where I can adjust them with the pedal contact sleeves).
Stack height for SPD pedals is a weird one. I think some companies include the cleat and measure from the centre of the spindle to the top of the cleat (where the shoe starts).
Shimano XTR is 8.4mm without cleats, the same way that Favero measure.
15.1mm might be number include cleats.
So that would make Faveros true stack height as 17.9 mm. That's quite a tall pedal when reviewers complain about Time mtb pedals having a high stack height. Thanks both for clearing that up.
Any information if PCO is comming to the Assioma DUOs as well by firmware update?
Or is the feature only avalible with the new spindle?
No indication. I suspect they’ll keep PCO in the Pro product only.
@@gplamaso what your staying is new road pedal is coming? I know your can't say anything
Why is the bike so heavy? Because of the amount of power meters and headunits :D
Assioma app, Apple update or specific to the pedal type? That data would be good to see for us with knee issues and trying to develop better pedalling mechanics.
To see those new metrics in real-time you'll need the PRO MX and the Assioma app or a Garmin Edge that supports ANT+ Cycling Dynamics.
@@gplama ah nuts, if only they made it backwards compatible, at the rate they update the app we'll see that in 3 years 🤔
Any word yet on whether these will be swappable with other pedal bodies? I find it hard to believe you haven’t already started experimenting or at least thinking about it. 😂
No word on this yet.
Pardon my ignorance… Can you use these pedals on a road bike with a 6mm cleat shim for leg length difference? Do you need to use off road shoes?
Do you have any experience or qualified guesses about how well these will hold up against regular impacts against rocks, logs etc while riding when it comes to retaining accuracy?
Working on a video right now on this, including a solid rock strike captured close-up. No issues with power.
@@gplama Awsome!
Do they work with Apple Watch ? Thank you
Out of stock everywhere (in Europe)...
They just came out..😊
Sure. But it's not a good starting point for sales if the product is not available for another two months...
Literally no reasons to get garmin pedals now, assioma duos are known to be very accurate and very long lasting. The only thing might be the battery life vs cr2032s but for most people charging once every couple weeks isn't too much of a bother.
the Quarq and its MagicZero can produce such an anomalies... (this is why i dont like them, the latest v10 fw is not perfect) as i checked, You had a shorter stop, maybe the unit got sunlight and got warmer , started, there was a long coasting at 2:29, it adjusted the the MZ the wrong offset (maybe) due to the wrong temp measurement (by the previous stop's effect), and it remained on it till the next autozero or manual zero. The Quarq is using much older (and dumber) strain gauges then the Assiomas or the Power2Max NG series, this is why these are always pinpoint (if the static/slope accuracy is perfect), and this is why the Quarqs not (even the AXS neither)...