Why don’t they call out blatant racism among the players. Clean up the house first!! STOP WITH THE FALSE ACCUSATIONS OF FEVER FANS. This crap is getting old.
I think you nailed it when speaking about the integrity (or lack there of!) She said that no player should fear harm based on race or for any reason. I agree but if she feels that way then she(someone) should address how all season long CC was getting hammered on the court you saw it, I saw it, thanks to the CC Effect millions of viewers saw it and we also saw the refs do nothing, the coaches do nothing, the GMs/owners do nothing even the other players. Sure some of the other players were the problem but I don't believe all those others were OK to watch it happen. As the old saying goes evil thrives when good people do nothing!
I so agree, Jemele Hill wants the WNBA to be an activist group that happens to play basketball. If they want to make real money, they need to focus on being an actual basketball league. If someone wants to use their platform to promote a social issue they feel strongly about, that is their right & I don't see that as a problem. But it becomes a problem when you want to force every player in the league & everyone in the fandom to be just as invested in & willing to only promote the exact point of view they have chosen on those social issues.
@@amyk6319 why does Caitlin have to champion black women in a sports league, never heard that before. she just wants to play basketball and that's a problem for some reason. fans are fanatics and they do wild shit so she not responsible for that and cause they don't want her in the league getting all this shine they gonna blame her. fever been playing for a long time did any other players express racism in that stadium now cause Caitlin there everyone is racist.
The player’s activism as their DNA in the WNBA is the exact problem with the league not growing until Clark came along. Sports leagues are entertainment first, that’s why people pay money to watch. Fans don’t want to be going into a political arena, they want to watch basketball. These players have been pampered too long and they make no mention that their league loses millions of dollars every year.
"We got thru 2016, 2020, and 2024" Those are election cycles, not basketball seasons. Politics front and center, exactly where it should not be. So integrity=activism.
The NBA owns the W, they are not pulling out. 1st you have a 90-10 split for broadcast rights (NBA has a $22 billion deal and the WNBA got a $2.2 billion deal). 2nd The NBA owns roughly 50% of the W; private investors own 30% W; that leaves a big 20% for the W.
Clark hasn't said anything, it's you people that are race hustling. Clark received 1/6 of all flagrant fouls in the league out of 144 players, all by black girls. When they were called out for racist attacks, they of course deflect and call the fans racists. Simply go on any social media post about CC and read the comments from blacks. They're the true racists in America and have revealed it to the world.
That is why we wake up in the morning for $$$$. Depending on the shift you are working. Now you have to work overseas to match and make your money. The NBA has covered the league for the last 28 years, so be thankful and appreciate the generosity of the N.B.A. Your average Jack or Jill wouldn't be putting that kind of $$$$ out on a losing investment. So be nice and respect you guys now it will work out the league grew so good things are coming!!!!
This is a basketball league. BASKETBALL. What other sport is a political statement? I'm not paying money to listen to their Politics. I don't care about them. Just play the game.
Allyssa Thomas had that speech on ‘racism’ prepared to go. She jumped at the first question of the press conference and made that the answer . And what fever fans being fever fans ? It was a home game and what about reverse racism? And what about the Sun media member and what he said to the Fever player during the second game ?
It's all about projection when it comes to the WNBA players and especially the black players. I am black and I see it from all the verbal and physical animosity shown from black players to a player who is negative to no one.
wnba probably had family and friends , coaches and assistance , the alphabet crew watching until C.C , this league is like having a tenet and not paying the rent
They need to start showing proof of all these threats or get suspended and as for the money part if they don’t like it get a real job if u don’t like it there that is what all the bosses tell their employees all the time
Still waiting for a current WNBA player to speak out about the abuse and negativity towards CC. Seems like it'll never happen. I guess when you're part of the club, you can't push back. Isn't that the behavior of street gangs??
Idk about street gangs but I also wonder about the other players and why no one else will admit that CC was being...attacked is really the best word for what happened.
If it were rookie Lebron James getting bullied by all the teams you mfs wouldnt care, because there Men. Rookie hazing always been a thing but now its a problem all of a sudden.
@j.e3336 I'm not sure if you were watching the same games as I was. The abusive attacks directed at CC went way past the level of rookie hazing. Nobody mentioned it when LeBron came into NBA cuz he didn't have to deal with the level of BS that she did. It is not centered around male/female differences either and for that matter the "hazing" girls went thru was usually more harsh than it was for boys in my experience. And lastly, you can't really compare CC's rookie season to LeBron's or anyone's because there has never been a player in any league of any sport that had an impact that was as HUGE as Caitlin
I have to agree, I wanna watch good fair basketball with players that have God given talents, and work on themselves to improve that love the game. We don't care what color, or where they came from, or who they love, we care about the type of role model that person is for our kids, and showing every step of the way the challenges and overcoming them, with hard work, being humble and grateful and never forgetting where you came from and how you got there. I believe POC can also be racist, and not even know they are. IMO- not meaning to offend anyone
You can’t give these people microphones. They weren’t ready for all this, and they never will be. When you have victim from the start, you’re gonna play victim till the end.
That was the dirtiest play all season that was NOT aimed at Caitlin. (She obviously had even more uncalled and terrible flagrant fouls aimed at her). I can’t stand that dirty playing.
That was really bad, but the DIRTIEST play of the season was committed by Alyssa Thomas (who else would it be?) against Angel Reese. I am not a fan of AR, so this take is not at all influenced by emotion. I can't remember whether AR was elevating for a rebound or a shot (probably a rebound). Anyway, while AR's body was in the air, Thomas quickly put her right arm in position to lift AR's legs and simulateously put her left arm across AR's upper body, with her hand on AR's head. While lifting AR's legs, Thomas pushed down on AR's upper body and head, essentially flipping her upside-down. This forced AR to land on her head with momentum provided by Thomas' clearly intentional maneuver. I don't remember anymore whether, or what type of foul was called on the play, but this could have caused a neck fracture and potential paralysis (quadriplegia). Thomas should have received a multiple game suspension, but I'm not sure that she was even called for a flagrant 1 foul.
@MYOB100 You're right. My bad. It's hard to imagine that I could forget about that for even a moment, but the sad truth is that my Alzheimers is beginning to show. I was University of Iowa faculty (pathophysiology), but I may have to stop making comments pretty soon because important things are beginning to just disappear from my memory and, the scary part is, I don't realize it has happened unless I am somehow confronted with my mistake. I hope you have a good night. God bless you!
The W is a changin. Out with the old angry women and in with the new. With NIL these young women are already making big bucks. So all the act8vism and politics is already growing old.
They are still avoiding the real problem, Caitlin Clark out shines them all and rather than rejoice in her greatness they are just jealous and play dirty. Worse is the refs and coaches let it happen.
Come on, if I hear one more time this is best league I will scream. The Allstars beat the Olympic team handily even though Plum assaulted Clark most of that game and she still thrived. Most WNBA professional WNBA players can't make layups consistently. CC is smart skilled humble and white and she has all kinds of people attracted to her smooth play and are saying no to prison ball now that more of us are looking. Change is coming and hope most of the thugs will be weined out the Commissioner replaced along with the whole gang of criminally incompetent refs. It needs to happen now.
I have just read that AR fans are allegedly making on line racists remarks about CC, about her when she attended a Taylor Swift concert. The players need to look inwards as DJ and AJW have both made dubious remarks.
I stopped watching NBA basketball 10 years ago because of all the nonsense, I became a WNBA fan because of Caitlin. I DO NOT CARE WHAT ANYONE POLITICS ARE!! I care about the way Caitlin plays PERIOD!!
First off RACIST CRAZY ASS TROLLS DID NOT JUST START THE TRASH talk & I m sorry, you all should of been UP on it, get any trash out first time around, new individual here to watch I know Right & wrong & shame on whoopi for saying it's basketball you gonna get physical I vomited in me mouth!!! Stop the DUMB BS carrington & smith SHOULD OF NEVER POKED FUN at CC EYE INJURY ITS TRIFLING GROW TF UP GTFO
A Thomas brought the anger against her because she plays dirty there is no color about it!! It was A Thomas being a freaking bully on the court!! AThomas about choked A Reese!!
Nobody stood up for CC, I feel for what she had to go through, The WNBA did not protect her, now she’s playing golf, but a soccer team and is a very well spoken person,
What exactly should these players wait for? Do they have to wait until they actually exceed the viewership of the NBA before they actually get paid decent money? As recent reporting shows, the difference in viewership between the NBA vs WNBA is not that much. Yet the current salary cap for NBA players is 100X more than the WNBA salary cap. Yes the WNBA loses money annually, but that is because of the horrible media rights deal. Should players be be punished because Silver screwed the league over with his horrible media rights negotiations? Media rights revenue are where sports leagues make most of their money & how they turn a profit, esp where attendance is limited due to playing in arenas vs stadiums. This is why owners were so upset about WNBA losses this year. They were mad at the horrible job Silver did negotiating the latest WNBA media rights deal, despite their growth & huge increase in viewership. The latest media rights deal for the NBA was $76B vs only $2.2B for the WNBA, despite the fact that NBA viewership has been decreasing since 2014 while WNBA viewership has been steadily increasing esp over the last 4 years (and of course it exploded when CC joined the league). The average viewership for regular season NBA games in the 23-24 season were only being 2.5X more than the WNBA 2024 season, yet the NBA media rights deal was 34.5X larger than the WNBA (the NBA have 1.7X more regular season games televised than the WNBA). And the early numbers on viewership for the NBA 24-25 season are down 40% from last year. So, as crazy as it may sound, it is possible that WNBA regular season average viewership will actually surpass the NBA next year. And when you factor in that the majority of NBA games air on NBC vs the majority of WNBA games airing on ION, that is even more impressive. Now viewership of playoffs are still much better for the NBA vs the WNBA. But even those numbers are only around 10X more for NBA & have been decreasing for the NBA while increasing for the WNBA over the last 4-5 years. And if CC starts making it to the WNBA finals, that gap will be erased too. So exactly how can they continue to justify the huge difference in media rights revenue for the 2 leagues & therefore the huge difference in player income?
@@amyk6319 it's simple fam you stated, not turning profit. They didn't even turn profit this year and look how successful people think it was. Even if you wanted to to say they had a successful year, you can't go to the bank and ask for a business loan and show them 1 year of profits. They will laugh at you in your face. You at least need 3 years of consistency. I get it numbers have been gradually improving, but in all your statements you've said the nba numbers are better. That's just the truth behind it all. The wnba needs time to grow they are a way younger league than the nba. The wnba accepted the terms from Adam they shouldn't negotiated right then and there if they felt it was unfair. They didn't because they no leverage. They still have no leverage honestly. The new CBA deal will increase salaries but not by as much as they're asking for.
@@flyhippieofficial Corporations don't live in the same world you & I do. Valuations & stock value are way more important than annual profits & WNBA as well as teams valuation have increased a lot over the last few years. That is why so many new teams want to join the WNBA. And the MLS is 3 yrs older than the WNBA & has never made a profit, but they still pay Messi $20M & all of their top stars have multi-million dollar salaries. And the WNBA cannot turn a profit without a decent media rights deal. The NBA only makes a profit because of their huge media rights deal. Total attendance for the last regular NBA season was only 10X more than the WNBA was this summer. That is bad when you consider that the NBA has more than twice as many teams & play 5X more games than the WNBA does. When you adjust for the number of games, NBA attendance is only 2X more than the NBA. And I have never said the WNBA players should be paid the same as NBA players, but it is ridiculous for their salary cap to be 100X less. And why should the players be punished because management did a crappy job handling the finances? I promise you the top WNBA executive have all gotten their raises & bonuses despite not turning a profits. Yes CC caused the major explosion, but the other players have done their job too. Attendance & viewership has been steadily increasing over the last 4-5 yrs. And CC can't get paid for all the revenue she is bringing into the league if you don't increase the salary cap either.
I like J Joan’s she is a great player now a little rough sometimes but she a big lady playing hard! There is nothing wrong with that!! I was a center and I played hard!!
It is so sad. Jemele Hill was a really good sports writer for the Orlando Sentinel. Now she says WNBA is political/social activist organization that plays BB on the side.
this leagues' dna was damaged from the git-go,,,it is an activism league first, then it wants to be a "Pro" sport league. Do all the activism you want after you get off the courts, play the game the right way when you are in between those lines and your revenue and popularity will increase. IMO!
Alyssa Thomas is a cheap shot artist. She's a good player but that's no excuse for her bad behavior. I don't care if low quality people want to smear me by calling me bad and slanderous names. They can go pound sand.
I would love to hear how the players these players expect the league to stop making racists posts on social media. The more they keep bringing it up, the more they are encouraging the trolls. I don’t think for a second that there are fans at Fever home games shouting racist slurs at the players, if they were then they would be kicked out right away. The best thing to do is to stop reading social media or ignore the comments and they’ll eventually go away. The players have an inflated and unrealistic sense of their power to control the fans, and society in general.
I always find it funny when these women talk about values and integrity. Some great girls in this league but the majority are petty childish and ridiculous. No integrity no morals no values. Petty
It may be more like 20% are petty, jealous, lacking integrity, easily offended, etc., but THEY ARE by far THE MOST VOCAL (and have a stronger social media presence), SO IT SEEMS LIKE THERE ARE FOUR TIMES AS MANY of them out there creating drama when, in fact, the majority are very likable young women. It's pretty much like that in any large group of people. A fairly small minority of the people will hold the strongest opinions and, therefore, do most of the talking, while the "silent majority" rolls their eyes and goes on minding their own business.😄
I mean ok...but in men's sports there's a corresponding amount of domestic violence, for example, with pro athletes, and even moreso according to specific sports, like football. So, is it women, or is it that celebrity status and financial power cause a certain behavior or is seen as a free pass in our entire society?
@@sierrafrost1222 i don’t think anyone with half a brain looks at pro athletes as a moral compass or with integrity for the most part. They always get a free pass on everything and never punished when breaking the law etc. just because they can play football well or shoot a basketball. Heck- why so much effort and ridiculousness to get Bob (Brittany) Griner back but we leave a good man/Marine over there in Russia ??
The only ones need to be accountable is wnba committee, they need to stop complaining and play ball,not thug ball,what chennedy did was thug ball and made a post on this, Caitlin holds herself well, doesn't talk about anyone,and fever fans are fever fans you cant control that,lets me know there is too much control issues but can't control themselves,damn ,get off this bullshit and watch your own damn self
Physical play /flagrant 1 and 2 amongst WNBA players is totally different then trolls threatening players off the court so trying to put malicious/intentional actions on the court in the same category as potential strangers threatening to harm you off the court not even close. The players are not scared of the hard and intentional fouls on the court.
These people lump CC fans in with trump people who were fans of white supremacy that THOUGHT they had an ally in CC that abandoned her the second they realized they didn’t. The actual CC fans are all still here. They are hiding behind this narrative to excuse their own racism of CC and hatred that a white girl is popular in their league. If what they were doing was right they wouldn’t of been a charity their entire existence before CC got there. They were slightly growing but it was greatly exaggerated and wasn’t nearly what it was when CC played. They just can’t cope that they aren’t as good as they thought they were.
If ther was racist fans they wer only hollering stupid words nobody put hands on the players the only player that got hands put on them was CC by other players mostly black players
Caitlin fans or the fact that Caitlin was in the wnba that rubbed people the wrong way. she was never accepted and we all know why. ask jemele hill has she ever written an article before saying a player was hyped in college for being black or did she ever write an article saying a black college player being hyped somehow erased the legacies of other black players before them.
@ Caitlin was never the problem, the fan were. Hard to accept someone that fans will attack you for everything they don’t agree with. Jumping on their social pages trolling, plus have these youtubers make thousands of videos bashing everyone. People saying these are trolls but the guys make these videos are just as worse. Did you see how they did the wnba page on x just for posting chelsea instead of Caitlin? Then more RUclips videos
Be sure to check out the nba content on FLYHIPPIE2! Link in description! 🤙🏾
I’m amazed that you have content outside of talking about Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese. Miracles do happen!
@mictza450 Blame RUclips. Whenever I talk about anything else on this channel, RUclips doesn't send it out. Don't hate the player hate the game.
Why don’t they call out blatant racism among the players. Clean up the house first!! STOP WITH THE FALSE ACCUSATIONS OF FEVER FANS. This crap is getting old.
It's called projection. This grift is old as time. You only see more of it now because of the internet.
FACTS!!!! 🙏 WELL PUT, thank you all 🙏
Facts
@@tellitlikeitis1828 agreed fam
THIS!!!!
I think you nailed it when speaking about the integrity (or lack there of!) She said that no player should fear harm based on race or for any reason. I agree but if she feels that way then she(someone) should address how all season long CC was getting hammered on the court you saw it, I saw it, thanks to the CC Effect millions of viewers saw it and we also saw the refs do nothing, the coaches do nothing, the GMs/owners do nothing even the other players. Sure some of the other players were the problem but I don't believe all those others were OK to watch it happen. As the old saying goes evil thrives when good people do nothing!
I BELIEVE those racist remarks came from jealous players, & fans of those players, as well as reporters looking to create drama
I agree with your take. Everything you said was spot on.
@@Tybear-qz4bx let's get it Ty!🤙🏾🍻
I so agree, Jemele Hill wants the WNBA to be an activist group that happens to play basketball. If they want to make real money, they need to focus on being an actual basketball league. If someone wants to use their platform to promote a social issue they feel strongly about, that is their right & I don't see that as a problem. But it becomes a problem when you want to force every player in the league & everyone in the fandom to be just as invested in & willing to only promote the exact point of view they have chosen on those social issues.
@@amyk6319 why does Caitlin have to champion black women in a sports league, never heard that before. she just wants to play basketball and that's a problem for some reason. fans are fanatics and they do wild shit so she not responsible for that and cause they don't want her in the league getting all this shine they gonna blame her. fever been playing for a long time did any other players express racism in that stadium now cause Caitlin there everyone is racist.
The player’s activism as their DNA in the WNBA is the exact problem with the league not growing until Clark came along. Sports leagues are entertainment first, that’s why people pay money to watch. Fans don’t want to be going into a political arena, they want to watch basketball. These players have been pampered too long and they make no mention that their league loses millions of dollars every year.
He said the Fever fans were being the Fever fans🤔 So, what you saying? This sh$t is SAD…using his platform to stir up more unnecessary fake trash.
That’s all Ryan Clark does it shouldn’t be surprising
Race baiting is an industry and it’s been that way for decades… ☹️
Facts spoken by fly hippie.
@@Mrcruzan let's get it fam! 🤙🏾🍻
"We got thru 2016, 2020, and 2024" Those are election cycles, not basketball seasons. Politics front and center, exactly where it should not be. So integrity=activism.
These women in this league are nuts.
The NBA needs to pull out let them have success on their own
The NBA owns the W, they are not pulling out.
1st you have a 90-10 split for broadcast rights (NBA has a $22 billion deal and the WNBA got a $2.2 billion deal).
2nd The NBA owns roughly 50% of the W; private investors own 30% W; that leaves a big 20% for the W.
Awesome video. Clark is race hustling here!
Clark hasn't said anything, it's you people that are race hustling. Clark received 1/6 of all flagrant fouls in the league out of 144 players, all by black girls. When they were called out for racist attacks, they of course deflect and call the fans racists. Simply go on any social media post about CC and read the comments from blacks. They're the true racists in America and have revealed it to the world.
CC22 fans are not racist, they're just sticking up for their player as a fan.
🎯 It's a shame that none of the players talk about what Caitlin encountered on and off the court throughout her rookie season.
That is why we wake up in the morning for $$$$. Depending on the shift you are working. Now you have to work overseas to match and make your money. The NBA has covered the league for the last 28 years, so be thankful and appreciate the generosity of the N.B.A. Your average Jack or Jill wouldn't be putting that kind of $$$$ out on a losing investment. So be nice and respect you guys now it will work out the league grew so good things are coming!!!!
Why is Jemele Hill talking about activism??? 🙄 THE WNBA SHOULD BE ABOUT BASKETBALL AND BASKETBALL ONLY. 🙄 It's not rocket science.
Amen to that.
This is a basketball league. BASKETBALL. What other sport is a political statement? I'm not paying money to listen to their Politics. I don't care about them. Just play the game.
Yes I’m with you
Allyssa Thomas had that speech on ‘racism’ prepared to go. She jumped at the first question of the press conference and made that the answer .
And what fever fans being fever fans ?
It was a home game and what about reverse racism? And what about the Sun media member and what he said to the Fever player during the second game ?
Thank you!
It's all about projection when it comes to the WNBA players and especially the black players. I am black and I see it from all the verbal and physical animosity shown from black players to a player who is negative to no one.
wnba probably had family and friends , coaches and assistance , the alphabet crew watching until C.C , this league is like having a tenet and not paying the rent
Thank you, Izzy! Good critique!
there are threats to CC that if she joins unrivaled, she will get hurt. this is on a page that routinely hates on the fever fans and CC, hypes AR
Thank you for your common sense approach. Racism goes both ways. No one should be afraid because of the color of their skin, including white players.
They need to start showing proof of all these threats or get suspended and as for the money part if they don’t like it get a real job if u don’t like it there that is what all the bosses tell their employees all the time
You are so thoughtful and have a balanced insight into the problems in the WNBA. Keep up the good work !!
The more these wnba open their mouths, the more ridiculous they seem!!!
Nah Clark tried to paint all Fever fans in a bad light. He’s a buster for that.
Ryan wrong for this. Espn product. Are we really surprised? Y’all gonna run CC away from this bs noise. Will y’all be happy then?!
What’s up Izzy, trying to get to your NBA channel, in the middle of preparing for 2025 tax season. Keep up the gr8 work.
The NBA needs to call their bluff. Since they don't wanna be concerned with dollars, the NBA needs to remove their financial investment.
Still waiting for a current WNBA player to speak out about the abuse and negativity towards CC. Seems like it'll never happen. I guess when you're part of the club, you can't push back. Isn't that the behavior of street gangs??
Idk about street gangs but I also wonder about the other players and why no one else will admit that CC was being...attacked is really the best word for what happened.
If it were rookie Lebron James getting bullied by all the teams you mfs wouldnt care, because there Men. Rookie hazing always been a thing but now its a problem all of a sudden.
@j.e3336 I'm not sure if you were watching the same games as I was. The abusive attacks directed at CC went way past the level of rookie hazing. Nobody mentioned it when LeBron came into NBA cuz he didn't have to deal with the level of BS that she did. It is not centered around male/female differences either and for that matter the "hazing" girls went thru was usually more harsh than it was for boys in my experience. And lastly, you can't really compare CC's rookie season to LeBron's or anyone's because there has never been a player in any league of any sport that had an impact that was as HUGE as Caitlin
I have to agree, I wanna watch good fair basketball with players that have God given talents, and work on themselves to improve that love the game. We don't care what color, or where they came from, or who they love, we care about the type of role model that person is for our kids, and showing every step of the way the challenges and overcoming them, with hard work, being humble and grateful and never forgetting where you came from and how you got there. I believe POC can also be racist, and not even know they are. IMO- not meaning to offend anyone
You can’t give these people microphones. They weren’t ready for all this, and they never will be. When you have victim from the start, you’re gonna play victim till the end.
What do you mean by these people? 🤔
The WNBA can't go out of business fast enough for me
I used to like Ryan Clark but now that he's race baiting I'm done with him. He played college football at LSU...
Some people have to work 2 jobs and both pay less than 75k in 4 months I REALLY HATE THE WNBA PLAYERD SOMETIMES
I agree. Do you also say this on videos and in conversation about men's sports? Bc they make way more and it's excessively ridiculous.
@sierrafrost1222 next nba national game look in the crowd...there is your answer
@@wisethabrain1100 that's not an answer. You're being classist and sexist, apparently.
@@sierrafrost1222 take an economics course
I saw JJ nearly break a player in half during the playoffs. I think it was Mabry she picked up and hurt. How about no violence on the court too!
That was the dirtiest play all season that was NOT aimed at Caitlin. (She obviously had even more uncalled and terrible flagrant fouls aimed at her). I can’t stand that dirty playing.
It was Alanna Smith (center for the Lynx). Mabrey plays for the CT Sun. Usually, JJ avoids dirty play. I was stunned to see her do that to Alanna.
That was really bad, but the DIRTIEST play of the season was committed by Alyssa Thomas (who else would it be?) against Angel Reese. I am not a fan of AR, so this take is not at all influenced by emotion. I can't remember whether AR was elevating for a rebound or a shot (probably a rebound). Anyway, while AR's body was in the air, Thomas quickly put her right arm in position to lift AR's legs and simulateously put her left arm across AR's upper body, with her hand on AR's head. While lifting AR's legs, Thomas pushed down on AR's upper body and head, essentially flipping her upside-down. This forced AR to land on her head with momentum provided by Thomas' clearly intentional maneuver. I don't remember anymore whether, or what type of foul was called on the play, but this could have caused a neck fracture and potential paralysis (quadriplegia). Thomas should have received a multiple game suspension, but I'm not sure that she was even called for a flagrant 1 foul.
@@katharineschott9125 Agree that was horrible, but trying to blind Caitlin was even worse. I’ll grant you that Thomas’s foul was the worst non-CC one.
@MYOB100 You're right. My bad. It's hard to imagine that I could forget about that for even a moment, but the sad truth is that my Alzheimers is beginning to show. I was University of Iowa faculty (pathophysiology), but I may have to stop making comments pretty soon because important things are beginning to just disappear from my memory and, the scary part is, I don't realize it has happened unless I am somehow confronted with my mistake. I hope you have a good night. God bless you!
Ryan, do you even know any fever fans? Do you know their names?
The W is a changin.
Out with the old angry women and in with the new.
With NIL these young women are already making big bucks.
So all the act8vism and politics is already growing old.
All they care about is money. They have no love for the game. Selfish and envious
They are still avoiding the real problem, Caitlin Clark out shines them all and rather than rejoice in her greatness they are just jealous and play dirty. Worse is the refs and coaches let it happen.
Yall dont care when it happens in the NBA, stop lol
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 when I listen to Nneka talk! Girl is CLUELESS
Come on, if I hear one more time this is best league I will scream. The Allstars beat the Olympic team handily even though Plum assaulted Clark most of that game and she still thrived. Most WNBA professional WNBA players can't make layups consistently. CC is smart skilled humble and white and she has all kinds of people attracted to her smooth play and are saying no to prison ball now that more of us are looking. Change is coming and hope most of the thugs will be weined out the Commissioner replaced along with the whole gang of criminally incompetent refs. It needs to happen now.
I have just read that AR fans are allegedly making on line racists remarks about CC, about her when she attended a Taylor Swift concert.
The players need to look inwards as DJ and AJW have both made dubious remarks.
Maybe work on your game!!!!! That would be the right thing to do!!!!
Where’s the proof
I stopped watching NBA basketball 10 years ago because of all the nonsense, I became a WNBA fan because of Caitlin. I DO NOT CARE WHAT ANYONE POLITICS ARE!! I care about the way Caitlin plays PERIOD!!
First off RACIST CRAZY ASS TROLLS DID NOT JUST START THE TRASH talk & I m sorry, you all should of been UP on it, get any trash out first time around, new individual here to watch I know Right & wrong & shame on whoopi for saying it's basketball you gonna get physical I vomited in me mouth!!! Stop the DUMB BS carrington & smith SHOULD OF NEVER POKED FUN at CC EYE INJURY ITS TRIFLING GROW TF UP GTFO
So all inclusive means gay and black
A Thomas brought the anger against her because she plays dirty there is no color about it!! It was A Thomas being a freaking bully on the court!! AThomas about choked A Reese!!
Can't fix something without people taking accountability for the root of the problem.
Being Fever fans?! Wtf is that sh!t?! Leading and reaching much Ryan?! 🤦🏻♂️ keep CC and her fans out yo mouth. Any receipts? still waiting.
If they keep the course that they are currently on, this league will be no more.
Bryan Clark is a race baiter
Nobody stood up for CC, I feel for what she had to go through, The WNBA did not protect her, now she’s playing golf, but a soccer team and is a very well spoken person,
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Quote should be meant to include CC who took the most abuse by a mile!!!!
What exactly should these players wait for? Do they have to wait until they actually exceed the viewership of the NBA before they actually get paid decent money? As recent reporting shows, the difference in viewership between the NBA vs WNBA is not that much. Yet the current salary cap for NBA players is 100X more than the WNBA salary cap. Yes the WNBA loses money annually, but that is because of the horrible media rights deal. Should players be be punished because Silver screwed the league over with his horrible media rights negotiations?
Media rights revenue are where sports leagues make most of their money & how they turn a profit, esp where attendance is limited due to playing in arenas vs stadiums. This is why owners were so upset about WNBA losses this year. They were mad at the horrible job Silver did negotiating the latest WNBA media rights deal, despite their growth & huge increase in viewership.
The latest media rights deal for the NBA was $76B vs only $2.2B for the WNBA, despite the fact that NBA viewership has been decreasing since 2014 while WNBA viewership has been steadily increasing esp over the last 4 years (and of course it exploded when CC joined the league). The average viewership for regular season NBA games in the 23-24 season were only being 2.5X more than the WNBA 2024 season, yet the NBA media rights deal was 34.5X larger than the WNBA (the NBA have 1.7X more regular season games televised than the WNBA). And the early numbers on viewership for the NBA 24-25 season are down 40% from last year. So, as crazy as it may sound, it is possible that WNBA regular season average viewership will actually surpass the NBA next year. And when you factor in that the majority of NBA games air on NBC vs the majority of WNBA games airing on ION, that is even more impressive.
Now viewership of playoffs are still much better for the NBA vs the WNBA. But even those numbers are only around 10X more for NBA & have been decreasing for the NBA while increasing for the WNBA over the last 4-5 years. And if CC starts making it to the WNBA finals, that gap will be erased too. So exactly how can they continue to justify the huge difference in media rights revenue for the 2 leagues & therefore the huge difference in player income?
@@amyk6319 it's simple fam you stated, not turning profit. They didn't even turn profit this year and look how successful people think it was. Even if you wanted to to say they had a successful year, you can't go to the bank and ask for a business loan and show them 1 year of profits. They will laugh at you in your face. You at least need 3 years of consistency. I get it numbers have been gradually improving, but in all your statements you've said the nba numbers are better. That's just the truth behind it all. The wnba needs time to grow they are a way younger league than the nba. The wnba accepted the terms from Adam they shouldn't negotiated right then and there if they felt it was unfair. They didn't because they no leverage. They still have no leverage honestly. The new CBA deal will increase salaries but not by as much as they're asking for.
@@flyhippieofficial Corporations don't live in the same world you & I do. Valuations & stock value are way more important than annual profits & WNBA as well as teams valuation have increased a lot over the last few years. That is why so many new teams want to join the WNBA. And the MLS is 3 yrs older than the WNBA & has never made a profit, but they still pay Messi $20M & all of their top stars have multi-million dollar salaries.
And the WNBA cannot turn a profit without a decent media rights deal. The NBA only makes a profit because of their huge media rights deal. Total attendance for the last regular NBA season was only 10X more than the WNBA was this summer. That is bad when you consider that the NBA has more than twice as many teams & play 5X more games than the WNBA does. When you adjust for the number of games, NBA attendance is only 2X more than the NBA.
And I have never said the WNBA players should be paid the same as NBA players, but it is ridiculous for their salary cap to be 100X less. And why should the players be punished because management did a crappy job handling the finances? I promise you the top WNBA executive have all gotten their raises & bonuses despite not turning a profits. Yes CC caused the major explosion, but the other players have done their job too. Attendance & viewership has been steadily increasing over the last 4-5 yrs. And CC can't get paid for all the revenue she is bringing into the league if you don't increase the salary cap either.
I like J Joan’s she is a great player now a little rough sometimes but she a big lady playing hard! There is nothing wrong with that!! I was a center and I played hard!!
It is so sad. Jemele Hill was a really good sports writer for the Orlando Sentinel. Now she says WNBA is political/social activist organization that plays BB on the side.
Same, LOVE Ryan, but “being the Fever fans” not necessary!!!
this leagues' dna was damaged from the git-go,,,it is an activism league first, then it wants to be a "Pro" sport league. Do all the activism you want after you get off the courts, play the game the right way when you are in between those lines and your revenue and popularity will increase. IMO!
I am a white old man and I am a Fever fan and I am not racist.
2:37 wtf?!?!??! "She's actually not racist"
Seriously wtf.
Alyssa Thomas is a cheap shot artist. She's a good player but that's no excuse for her bad behavior.
I don't care if low quality people want to smear me by calling me bad and slanderous names. They can go pound sand.
But can she stand up to peer pressure and maintain the same reasoning
I would love to hear how the players these players expect the league to stop making racists posts on social media. The more they keep bringing it up, the more they are encouraging the trolls. I don’t think for a second that there are fans at Fever home games shouting racist slurs at the players, if they were then they would be kicked out right away. The best thing to do is to stop reading social media or ignore the comments and they’ll eventually go away. The players have an inflated and unrealistic sense of their power to control the fans, and society in general.
I always find it funny when these women talk about values and integrity. Some great girls in this league but the majority are petty childish and ridiculous. No integrity no morals no values. Petty
It may be more like 20% are petty, jealous, lacking integrity, easily offended, etc., but THEY ARE by far THE MOST VOCAL (and have a stronger social media presence), SO IT SEEMS LIKE THERE ARE FOUR TIMES AS MANY of them out there creating drama when, in fact, the majority are very likable young women. It's pretty much like that in any large group of people. A fairly small minority of the people will hold the strongest opinions and, therefore, do most of the talking, while the "silent majority" rolls their eyes and goes on minding their own business.😄
I mean ok...but in men's sports there's a corresponding amount of domestic violence, for example, with pro athletes, and even moreso according to specific sports, like football. So, is it women, or is it that celebrity status and financial power cause a certain behavior or is seen as a free pass in our entire society?
@@sierrafrost1222 i don’t think anyone with half a brain looks at pro athletes as a moral compass or with integrity for the most part. They always get a free pass on everything and never punished when breaking the law etc. just because they can play football well or shoot a basketball. Heck- why so much effort and ridiculousness to get Bob (Brittany) Griner back but we leave a good man/Marine over there in Russia ??
@@chad85100 so stop making misogynistic comments and say it about everyone you're talking about.
@ wow you must be a wnba player or reporter. Everything said you don’t like is misogynistic or racist or whatever it’s phob you can think of.
The only ones need to be accountable is wnba committee, they need to stop complaining and play ball,not thug ball,what chennedy did was thug ball and made a post on this, Caitlin holds herself well, doesn't talk about anyone,and fever fans are fever fans you cant control that,lets me know there is too much control issues but can't control themselves,damn ,get off this bullshit and watch your own damn self
That first girls def subbed to adrienne ross lol
Physical play /flagrant 1 and 2 amongst WNBA players is totally different then trolls threatening players off the court so trying to put malicious/intentional actions on the court in the same category as potential strangers threatening to harm you off the court not even close. The players are not scared of the hard and intentional fouls on the court.
These people lump CC fans in with trump people who were fans of white supremacy that THOUGHT they had an ally in CC that abandoned her the second they realized they didn’t.
The actual CC fans are all still here.
They are hiding behind this narrative to excuse their own racism of CC and hatred that a white girl is popular in their league.
If what they were doing was right they wouldn’t of been a charity their entire existence before CC got there. They were slightly growing but it was greatly exaggerated and wasn’t nearly what it was when CC played. They just can’t cope that they aren’t as good as they thought they were.
Straight up I don't like this guy
This league stays garbage.
it's either a pro basketball league for all woman, or a lezzie league. can't be both
Why not?
Ryan has turned into a race baiter , maybe because he’s not doing what he used to do
If ther was racist fans they wer only hollering stupid words nobody put hands on the players the only player that got hands put on them was CC by other players mostly black players
who's the beta-male interviewing jonquel?
She has a bad mind set
You have to have reputable union reps and my opinion they don't have the right reps
Why it’s so hard to accept that Caitlin fans caused all the drama in the wnba. Everything was cool before they got here.
Idiot!!+
Caitlin fans or the fact that Caitlin was in the wnba that rubbed people the wrong way. she was never accepted and we all know why. ask jemele hill has she ever written an article before saying a player was hyped in college for being black or did she ever write an article saying a black college player being hyped somehow erased the legacies of other black players before them.
@ Caitlin was never the problem, the fan were. Hard to accept someone that fans will attack you for everything they don’t agree with. Jumping on their social pages trolling, plus have these youtubers make thousands of videos bashing everyone. People saying these are trolls but the guys make these videos are just as worse. Did you see how they did the wnba page on x just for posting chelsea instead of Caitlin? Then more RUclips videos
Caitlyn fans weren't the problem the woke lesbian bullies racist mantra was the problem.
That's because no one was watching.