I believe Hackman refused to come in and do the final voice over work because he thought the movie was going to suck. He got sent a rough copy and was in disbelief of how good it was. He then went in and did the final voice over work.
Correct. Similarly, Anspaugh, Angelo Pizzo, and producer Carter de Haven screened the film for Jerry Goldsmith, who had very low expectations. At the end of the screening, Goldsmith was so still that the other three men thought he had fallen asleep. He turned around, his eyes filled with tears, and said to his friend de Haven, "You son of a bitch, you knew I'd fall for this movie." Jerry's asking price to score a movie was well outside of the HOOSIERS budget, but after his screening, he told the filmmakers that he'd score the picture for whatever they could afford to pay him. He got an Oscar nomination for the music -- and should have won!
It’s one of the greatest sports flicks of all fricken time and Hackman is one of the best living actors today. I’m sad that he didn’t enjoy making the movie because it means so much to so many people.
I bet a lot of the best actors (perfectionists) think every movie is going to suck. That their performances are terrible, everything is terrible etc. That's why they win Oscars I think.
@Barton Dean Yeah I liked Hoosiers, but I'm not a huge basketball fan. One of my favorites of all time is Crimson Tide, really underrated sub film. He was great in Enemy of the State too, even though it was a small role.
I thought i was the only one. I’ve long said that Hoosiers is one of my favorite films. The locker room scene where Dale looks at the boys and says, “I love you guys.” Amazing.
Remember, he took the role of Lex Luthor in Superman The Movie. And he read the script for Hoosiers and agreed to do it anyway. So him being a prick was really unprofessional and a total dick move.
@@dangelo1369 The first and second Superman movies that he was in were pretty good, but god that downright awful. Hackman definitely came in for the huge pay and nothing else. And then there's the last movie he was ever in nearly 20 years ago, Welcome to Mooseport.. Another stinker. I like him as as an actor, but he doesn't seem to be a good judge of the material in any way.
Best basketball movie ever. The movie Hoosiers came out my senior year of High School. My coach told me to go see it. My coach was just like Hackman’s character.
Hackman believed that about every film he’s done. He and Dustan Hoffman both believed that and said it to each other in interviews about the only film they have done together. They were petrified of ruining their careers.
It was directed by his good friend, Harold Ramis. They had a falling out because of the film and didn’t reconcile until Ramis fell ill towards the end of his life.
One of the funniest lines ever - when Gene is dressed as a woman at the club in the Bird Cage. Gets up and says " I dont wanna be the only girl not dancing "
I can't believe this small film also had Dennis Hopper and Barbara Hershey. I watched this when I was a kid but didn't know they had some big league actors.
Richard Schickel from Time Magazine said, "Hackman is wonderful as an inarticulate man tense with the struggle to curb a flaring, mysterious anger." Now we know why.
The 1983 NC State men's basketball team is about as close to the real life "Hoosiers" as you can get. Their title run from the ACC Tournament to the NCAA Championship victory over Houston is just amazing. Check out the 30 for 30 "Survive and Advance", its well worth the watch.
I was at Purdue from 86-90. The movie had just come out. People talked about it all the time. And, I met at least 20 guys who said there Dad was at the real game back in the day.
Maybe someone already posted but the end of that story is: Hackman wanted to see the film before he agreed to do any press or anything. He watched it and said to the director, "How the hell did you do that?" He was so amazed how made what he thought would be a turkey into something so meaningful. I use to coach but not bball but I love this movie and what lessons are taught.
I wish there could have been more for the Hinkle scenes. I hate when a movie has to be chopped up to deliver a scene. Their planning for that was horrible. They thought a lot more would show up. Pay people and they'll show up, it ain't that hard.
I rank Rocky at #1, but Hoosiers is a close 2nd. Think about that: people rank this little movie ahead of Bull Durham, Major League, Field of Dreams, North Dallas Forty, and the like. Great movie.
It kind of makes sense. If someone described the movie to you -- or if you read the screenplay -- you'd probably conclude that it's formulaic, predictable and hokey. And it is all those things. But it works anyway because all of the pieces fit -- the performances, the pacing, the music etc. The whole is so much greater than the sum of the parts. That's the magic of cinema.
I really like the movie and have seen it many times but there are several sports movies I can off the top of my head that I have put in front of this one.
It really is all those things. It's the most lazily written sports film ever. Even as a HS basketball player myself, I was bored. It was like I'd already seen it bc it was painfully obvious what would happen.
I worked in the tech biz and at one job I was one of four mangers of pretty much identical tech teams. I guess I'm bragging, but my team really stood out - a very happy, focussed and productive team and almost no turnover. One of my colleagues finally asked me...man, how do you do it (cause there was a lot of infighting and disharmony in the other teams). I told him - watch Hoosiers. 95% of who I am as a manager I learned from Norman Dale.
BYU has a male volleyball player from CA named Miks Ramanis. One of the BYUtv men’s volleyball commentators, Steve Vail, upon seeing Miks for the first time, said on-air that he looks like Jimmy Chitwood from _Hoosiers._ His relatives called in to say how coincidental that comment was, inasmuch as both Miks and Maris Valainis, the actor who played Chitwood in the movie, are of Latvian descent.
If Hackman really meant that, assuming that Hopper told the truth that is, he's off his rocker. Or maybe he was just joking. Rudy was an awesome movie too. You can't take that away from Anspaugh.
He hated it because he didn't want to add fuel to the fire of the famous Caine-Hackman thesis which states that at every moment, somewhere around the world there's a Michael Caine or a Gene Hackman movie playing.
Ironically Hackman struggled playing Popeye Doyle in The French Connection. He was the last choice of director William Friedkin & he wanted Friedkin to fire him cuz he didn't think he could do it.
LMAO! What a ridiculous premise. He isn't good enough for you? That angsty energy played into his role. Anger. Frustration. What could be. I think that's what made him so real. Try not to be just another internet contrarian.
He didn't think it was a great movie when they filmed it. He was impressed with the finished product, though. When they film, they do scenes out of order - so an actor sometimes doesn't know what's really going on overall. The edit determines everything and the great score was the cherry on top.
@@jamiehess4211 sounds like Gene is like Bale or Crowe. Just a high strung artist who is lunatic perfectionist. Difficult to work with until the box office receipts and Oscar nominations start rolling in.
Gene Hackman was doing so many movies at that time we use to nickname him "Don't bother sending me the script, I'll do it, Hackman" . Hoosiers was a fantastic movie and Hackman was great in it. He probably didn't even know what movie was being discussed when he said he didn't like it since he was probably in 10 that year alone. . It's no French Connection, but I am a guy who doesn't like sports movies that much, but this one was great.
Art from adversity. I swear the best movies were made under miserable circumstances...and the movies where the cast/crew got along and had fun are subpar.
Hoosiers transcends what it means to be a team and an athlete in general. Every time I get that comradery douche chill, I think of it. Hackman was in Superman.
Hackman probably thought Superman was a joke too. He had to get his arm twisted to be in “Unforgiven” as well. And thought Hoosiers sucked? lol. Probably 3 of his most Iconic rolls.
Total shocker--I mean to be totally honest (for record I loved the movie) there were some scenes that were slightly (I mean slightly) choppy but when you consider how many were 1st time actors etc really quite remarkable that it wasn't as Gene felt--The movie is fantastic no doubt about it so interesting to learn how much Gene hated it.....
Probably because Hackman never played basketball... nor was a fan... Sometimes I try to imagine Gene Hackman as a female ice skating coach, which would make a good comedy I think...
My Mount Rushmore of sports films...Hoosiers (1986), Field of Dreams (1989), A League of Their Own (1992), and The Sandlot (1993). Honorable mention...Major League (1989).
I saw it when released in the theater at age 23.. I’ve owned the VHS and the DVD. Absolutely my favorite all time movie. I’m a fan of everything from comedy, drama to sci fi.. This is my answer to what my favorite movie is. And Rudy is right up there to….
I believe Hackman refused to come in and do the final voice over work because he thought the movie was going to suck. He got sent a rough copy and was in disbelief of how good it was. He then went in and did the final voice over work.
Correct. Similarly, Anspaugh, Angelo Pizzo, and producer Carter de Haven screened the film for Jerry Goldsmith, who had very low expectations. At the end of the screening, Goldsmith was so still that the other three men thought he had fallen asleep. He turned around, his eyes filled with tears, and said to his friend de Haven, "You son of a bitch, you knew I'd fall for this movie." Jerry's asking price to score a movie was well outside of the HOOSIERS budget, but after his screening, he told the filmmakers that he'd score the picture for whatever they could afford to pay him. He got an Oscar nomination for the music -- and should have won!
Apparently, Gene learned something from the experience because he willingly did the final voiceover for a real POS movie, The Replacements.
It’s one of the greatest sports flicks of all fricken time and Hackman is one of the best living actors today. I’m sad that he didn’t enjoy making the movie because it means so much to so many people.
I bet a lot of the best actors (perfectionists) think every movie is going to suck. That their performances are terrible, everything is terrible etc. That's why they win Oscars I think.
I'm sure he's very proud of the movie now that it's become a classic, though.
@@vladimirhorowitz they say he thought that the French Connection was going to suck. I think that's just the way he is.
@Barton Dean Yeah I liked Hoosiers, but I'm not a huge basketball fan. One of my favorites of all time is Crimson Tide, really underrated sub film. He was great in Enemy of the State too, even though it was a small role.
It's a good movie, highly doubt its the greatest sports flick of all time.
I thought i was the only one. I’ve long said that Hoosiers is one of my favorite films. The locker room scene where Dale looks at the boys and says, “I love you guys.” Amazing.
Hoosiers is a classic that will stand the test of time.
Ya think Ebert?
This movie stunk in the 90’s and you are correct...it stood the test of time and still stinks today. Overrated sports movie.
@@Seveneleven44 still mad about getting cut during tryouts? Let it go.
@@KitchenerLeslie2 yes, yes I do.
It doesn’t age well
That part where Hopper's son says they're getting a house together when he gets out of rehab gets me every time.
Hoosiers is my favorite sports movie of all time. It amazes me how Gene Hackman could be so wrong about a movie he was the major part of by far.
Remember, he took the role of Lex Luthor in Superman The Movie. And he read the script for Hoosiers and agreed to do it anyway. So him being a prick was really unprofessional and a total dick move.
Its like Richard Dreyfus thinking Jaws was going to suck. They were so pleasantly surprised ha ha!!!!
@@dangelo1369 The first and second Superman movies that he was in were pretty good, but god that downright awful. Hackman definitely came in for the huge pay and nothing else. And then there's the last movie he was ever in nearly 20 years ago, Welcome to Mooseport.. Another stinker.
I like him as as an actor, but he doesn't seem to be a good judge of the material in any way.
Absolutely one of my favorite movies of any genre. A true classic.
Best basketball movie ever. The movie Hoosiers came out my senior year of High School. My coach told me to go see it. My coach was just like Hackman’s character.
One of the greatest sports movies of all time!
Hoosiers and the natural with Robert Redford are my two favorite sports movies of all time
field of dreams
@@obscure.reference yeah that too, best of times is good too
Jason never seen that, kurt russel and robin williams is a must watch though. thanks
I would add ‘Eight Men Out’ to those excellent choices.
Remember the Titans and Friday Night Lights as well
Hackman believed that about every film he’s done. He and Dustan Hoffman both believed that and said it to each other in interviews about the only film they have done together. They were petrified of ruining their careers.
Ishtar should have ruined Hoffman's career
@@christophers5510 Ishtar ruined Elaine May, she never made a feature film again.
@@christophers5510Rain Man saved Hoffman’s career, since that came out the year after Ishtar was released.
Hackman and Hoffman were room mates in NYC.
It reminds me of how Bill Murray felt about Groundhog Day. He didn't agree with what the director was doing and didn't think it would be a good film.
It was directed by his good friend, Harold Ramis. They had a falling out because of the film and didn’t reconcile until Ramis fell ill towards the end of his life.
Gene Hackman is one of my favorite actors, liked him in Hoosiers, Crimson Tide and The Poseidon Adventure. Would love to meet him some day.
Careful what you wish for, he's notoriously unfriendly
Watch the French connection you’ll love him more.
Sounds like if he met you he would tell you to f off.
One of the funniest lines ever - when Gene is dressed as a woman at the club in the Bird Cage. Gets up and says " I dont wanna be the only girl not dancing "
@@billboggs6641 Which movie is that??
I can't believe this small film also had Dennis Hopper and Barbara Hershey. I watched this when I was a kid but didn't know they had some big league actors.
Sadly, many of Hershey’s scenes were cut.
Hackman is a pro's pro. That what is the movie shows.
One of the greatest sports movies of all time.
Right up there with Rocky 1 and Cinderella Man.
Richard Schickel from Time Magazine said, "Hackman is wonderful as an inarticulate man tense with the struggle to curb a flaring, mysterious anger." Now we know why.
One of my favorite movies all time.
Batman? I think Anspaugh meant Superman. 😂
Yeah
Hackman played Lex Luthor.
WRONG!
at the end, coach says, "I love you guys". Just the best freakin movie ever
No doubt Hackman is prickly but he's a master at his craft.
I can’t believe he’s still alive
The 1983 NC State men's basketball team is about as close to the real life "Hoosiers" as you can get. Their title run from the ACC Tournament to the NCAA Championship victory over Houston is just amazing. Check out the 30 for 30 "Survive and Advance", its well worth the watch.
The Milan High School state championship is closer. :)
Wow!! to here this surprises me, easily my favorite sports movie, possibly favorite movie of any type. Gene was so brilliant, just amazes me to hear
I was at Purdue from 86-90. The movie had just come out. People talked about it all the time. And, I met at least 20 guys who said there Dad was at the real game back in the day.
I had to be dragged to "Hoosiers" and I loved it!
Maybe someone already posted but the end of that story is: Hackman wanted to see the film before he agreed to do any press or anything. He watched it and said to the director, "How the hell did you do that?" He was so amazed how made what he thought would be a turkey into something so meaningful. I use to coach but not bball but I love this movie and what lessons are taught.
Being there for the game at Hinkle is SURREAL, and Gene Hackman is a nice person who took pictures and signed autographs
I was there as an extra in the audience. Awesome movie!
I wish there could have been more for the Hinkle scenes. I hate when a movie has to be chopped up to deliver a scene. Their planning for that was horrible. They thought a lot more would show up. Pay people and they'll show up, it ain't that hard.
One of the best sports movies ever made if not the best!
Someone’s never seen the AirBud series!
I rank Rocky at #1, but Hoosiers is a close 2nd. Think about that: people rank this little movie ahead of Bull Durham, Major League, Field of Dreams, North Dallas Forty, and the like. Great movie.
@@paulmcquerry6815 - Major League was a comedy
Breaking Away is not #1, but it's up there.
Love that movie! Love!
Dennis Hopper was excellent as well.Old school movies.
It kind of makes sense. If someone described the movie to you -- or if you read the screenplay -- you'd probably conclude that it's formulaic, predictable and hokey. And it is all those things. But it works anyway because all of the pieces fit -- the performances, the pacing, the music etc. The whole is so much greater than the sum of the parts. That's the magic of cinema.
I really like the movie and have seen it many times but there are several sports movies I can off the top of my head that I have put in front of this one.
@@orlfane1622 Agreed.
It was a David vs. Goliath theme...based in fact
It really is all those things. It's the most lazily written sports film ever. Even as a HS basketball player myself, I was bored. It was like I'd already seen it bc it was painfully obvious what would happen.
This is the 35th anniversary of Hoosiers I wish they would give us a 4K release of it this year
The music gives me goosebumps
Jerry Goldsmith . . . The GOAT
*now imagine the guy who did Unforgiven a few years after Hoosiers. he had to put up with Hackman, Clint Eastwood, Morgan Freeman, & Richard Harris!*
You do know Clint Eastwood directed Unforgiven don't you. He won an Oscar for Best Director.
@@ronimusprime6798 Hahahaha.....his comment had me questioning for a sec that Cliint didn't directed it!! 🤣😂🤣😂
Clint had to convince Hackman to do Unforgiven... allegedly Hackman was tired of violent films.
All time favorite sports movie. Hackman and Hershey were great, but Hopper stole the show. Shooter was a great character.
hoosiers is on my top 10 all time favorite movies list. i'm 71. i saw it when it came out in a theatre.
That's amazing to me, it's one of my all time favorite movies.
It is insane to be able to act that perfectly in a project you didn't think was any good.
when he said he's been wanting to make that movie for 20 years, I knew he was from Indiana.
LOL!
Hackman probably thought Welcome to Mooseport was his best movie. Apparently that’s how bad he is at judging movies.
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I worked in the tech biz and at one job I was one of four mangers of pretty much identical tech teams. I guess I'm bragging, but my team really stood out - a very happy, focussed and productive team and almost no turnover. One of my colleagues finally asked me...man, how do you do it (cause there was a lot of infighting and disharmony in the other teams). I told him - watch Hoosiers. 95% of who I am as a manager I learned from Norman Dale.
Oh brother dude
BYU has a male volleyball player from CA named Miks Ramanis. One of the BYUtv men’s volleyball commentators, Steve Vail, upon seeing Miks for the first time, said on-air that he looks like Jimmy Chitwood from _Hoosiers._ His relatives called in to say how coincidental that comment was, inasmuch as both Miks and Maris Valainis, the actor who played Chitwood in the movie, are of Latvian descent.
If Hackman really meant that, assuming that Hopper told the truth that is, he's off his rocker. Or maybe he was just joking. Rudy was an awesome movie too. You can't take that away from Anspaugh.
Perspective is everything! Crazy
Most of the best actors are difficult lunatic perfectionists. From Crowe to Bale etc it's what makes them great I think.
Not really
Yes, really.
@@Hammett175 No...not really. Being a talented actor does not give you a license to be a prick.
@@xyPERSON Unfortunately, there are many great artists, athletes and even politicians that are pricks. It's the ones that aren't that are rare.
When I was a kid, this was my Remember the Titans!
Jonas Beach that movie sucked worse than hoosiers
He hated it because he didn't want to add fuel to the fire of the famous Caine-Hackman thesis which states that at every moment, somewhere around the world there's a Michael Caine or a Gene Hackman movie playing.
@J If I only got here a week ago. Freaking Gutter made something of himself. I did not see that coming
Seems like Gene doesn’t understand half the movies that he has been in.
Ironically Hackman struggled playing Popeye Doyle in The French Connection. He was the last choice of director William Friedkin & he wanted Friedkin to fire him cuz he didn't think he could do it.
Imagine how good Hackman could be if he believed in the project!
His frustration probably found its way into the character making it even more authentic.
LMAO! What a ridiculous premise. He isn't good enough for you?
That angsty energy played into his role. Anger. Frustration. What could be. I think that's what made him so real.
Try not to be just another internet contrarian.
When Hackman said near the end of the movie, "I love you guys", was he talking to Hopper and Anspaugh, lol?
My no 1 movie. Watch it every Thanksgiving morning and if I'm stressed out, I put it on.
ONe of Gene Hackman's best flicks.
I would like to know why Gene didn't think that it was a great movie
It's fantastic!
He didn't think it was a great movie when they filmed it. He was impressed with the finished product, though. When they film, they do scenes out of order - so an actor sometimes doesn't know what's really going on overall. The edit determines everything and the great score was the cherry on top.
“I love you guys”.
Well after this video doesn’t look like he did 😂
He thought Hoosiers was going to suck? Wonder what he thought of Loose Cannons?
I would have expected Hackman to say he'd never work again after "The Birdcage", but not "Hoosiers"! 11😆
It wasn't a Gene Hackman type of movie he played mostly tougher character's. Interesting story
It’s my wife’s favorite sports movie along with Rudy.
Am I crazy, but this makes me like Gene Hackman more?
Would love to hear Gene say why he thought the movie wasn't good.
Fantastic and heartwarming movie.
He probably also thought The French Connection sucked 🧐
He and Friedman hated each other. Bad blood throughout the shoot.
@@jamiehess4211 sounds like Gene is like Bale or Crowe. Just a high strung artist who is lunatic perfectionist. Difficult to work with until the box office receipts and Oscar nominations start rolling in.
"Where does he get those wonderful toys?" best Gene Hackman line from Batman.
good try, but that was jack
@@conanlabiche WOOOOOOOOOOSH :)
That was Jack Nicholson
@@conanlabiche @Manuel Diaz 1:50
Obviously he meant to say “Superman”
Gene Hackman was doing so many movies at that time we use to nickname him "Don't bother sending me the script, I'll do it, Hackman" . Hoosiers was a fantastic movie and Hackman was great in it. He probably didn't even know what movie was being discussed when he said he didn't like it since he was probably in 10 that year alone. . It's no French Connection, but I am a guy who doesn't like sports movies that much, but this one was great.
Who's "we" genius?
I wouldn’t read too much into it. Guy’s like that think that way to stay grounded and keep expectations low.
Art from adversity. I swear the best movies were made under miserable circumstances...and the movies where the cast/crew got along and had fun are subpar.
The Shining is a good example of a rough set making for a good movie.
Reeve: Why did you choose Superman?
Hack: You mean besides the 2 million dollars?
Love Hackman, a favorite.
I bet it had nothing to do with him hating the movie, but probably because he wasn’t getting paid much, and working with an amateur director.
Great movie...in Ireland it was called Best Shot not Hoosiers.. don't know why.
It was because it was thought that international audiences would not recognize the Hoosiers nickname as referring to Indiana.
Is that Bill Laimbeer @ 0:12?
No
It’s Bill Laimqueer
Hoosiers transcends what it means to be a team and an athlete in general. Every time I get that comradery douche chill, I think of it. Hackman was in Superman.
"Otisville?" "It's just a little bitty place" "OTISVILLE?"
Otitisburg
Add Hoosiers to the list of things you couldn't make today
Cuz they couldn't be bothered explaining what a Hoosier was. And if people dont get it they might not go
@@billboggs6641 that's not it.
Hackman probably thought Superman was a joke too. He had to get his arm twisted to be in “Unforgiven” as well. And thought Hoosiers sucked? lol. Probably 3 of his most Iconic rolls.
That's good to hear, because I'm a big Gene Hackman fan and I hated the movie, too.
banquo60615 yeah hoosiers was definitely overrated
Hackman loved the movie - just not when he was filming it.
Hackman will go down as one of the biggest a holes in Hollywood! This is my favorite Hackman movie and of course he hates it!!
That was so cool
Hackman can't hate something he's never seen before
I am surprised Benchwarmers wasn't his #1.
Amazing movie!!!!
I just watched Hoosiers for the 100th time. Love Love Love it!!!!!!!!
It's literally the first movie that comes to my mind if you mention Gene Hackman.
He was right about it.
I don’t recall Gene Hackman being in a Batman movie. Maybe the director meant Superman.
Total shocker--I mean to be totally honest (for record I loved the movie) there were some scenes that were slightly (I mean slightly) choppy but when you consider how many were 1st time actors etc really quite remarkable that it wasn't as Gene felt--The movie is fantastic no doubt about it so interesting to learn how much Gene hated it.....
Probably because Hackman never played basketball... nor was a fan... Sometimes I try to imagine Gene Hackman as a female ice skating coach, which would make a good comedy I think...
My Mount Rushmore of sports films...Hoosiers (1986), Field of Dreams (1989), A League of Their Own (1992), and The Sandlot (1993). Honorable mention...Major League (1989).
Darth Vader Those movies sucked except for A league of their own and Major league was ok not great
@@christiansoldier77 Somebody needs to be drug tested.😏
#1 movie of all time, real Hollywood magic, don't make em anymore
Definitely captured Indiana basketball.
I saw it when released in the theater at age 23.. I’ve owned the VHS and the DVD. Absolutely my favorite all time movie. I’m a fan of everything from comedy, drama to sci fi.. This is my answer to what my favorite movie is. And Rudy is right up there to….
Gene Hackman was in the film Superman, not Batman.
I never cared for Gene Hackman. He only plays one kind of character. A gruff loud jerk.
“HICKORY”
Richard Dreyfus said similar things about JAWS. Said it will bomb
why did you ask him to do it if he hated it?
Ask Wes Anderson about Hackman 😂
My favorite movie
If ever a movie deserved a Director's Cut Blu-Ray with all the deleted scenes the exec idiots made them take out, HOOSIERS IS IT !