I can't figure out why Honda won't make a 450 for dual sport riding, but instead they make a 650 which is honestly more of a street bike than one for the trails, and a 250 which is a little weak for the roads. A 450 would solve the power issue of the 250's and not be too much to handle off-road. Overall, great video mate, very helpful.
Well reasoned video as usual thanks!! I bought a 2018 CRF250L recently and I LOVE it, having great fun and then looking down to see that I am at about 45mph is such a laugh, great fun and low risks hopefully!! I have had my ECU remapped and I am just about to refit it today, plus I have a BMC air filter plus my Arrow exhaust should arrive very soon so I cannot wait to try her "full power" ish. BUT as you state the problem is not to have loads of bhp but mainly to smooth out the power delivery, and of course another 2 horses adds about 10%!!!
Great video ! just sold mine to a nice guy whom when we were talking said he also watched your videos and was buying it as I had all the accessories your does!! Brilliant !
+TheMissendenFlyer I got a fair price for her sold within a week it spent it's life off-road great dual sport bike but I had trouble keeping up with the KTM and husky boys when the going got tough - on road it was perfect ! I've gone for the beta 300 X trainer she arrives on Friday I'll be doing a little ride review with some mods already ordered. Keep up the vids I really enjoy them 👍
Hi TMF, oh I do miss your early introduction video. Just watching this one as I'm thinking of a little winter bike (my excuse) that I can use for a bit of off road. I'll go watch your other videos on the mods etc etc now. Ps I am watching loads of your clips of late, but you're putting up so many so very quickly that I can't comment on them all :-)) (that's not a complaint by the way). Keep up the good work! At this rate I won't have to watch TV. They seriously should bring back a Men and Motors tv program. I'd give you my vote any day! All the best Richard
Coming from a wr450f Iv brought and tryed this bike for green lanes after changing the rear sprocket to 42 teeth and the front to 13 I'm find the bike very capable to lanes . Gpr power bomb exhaust system. And opened up the air filter .the pulling power is nice . I also think that the riding on the roads to and from the green lanes on this little 250 honda is a lot more comfortable. I'll never look back and regret buying it , wot an amazing runner .
Awesome review. I just bought a 2017 days ago. have only 100 miles now on the street. Hate number 5 was improved i'd say with a more streamline looking tail/brake light. Hate number 4 seat height too high is okay for me because I'm 6' tall but still the same for 2017 i think @ 34+ inches. I appreciate the info on Hate number 3, low power. I will be looking into the power mods in the future I'm sure. Will keep it stock for a while but I do think more power will badly needed soon. Hate number 2 fuel tank capacity is the same 2.1 gallon and good point you make. Hate number 1 I will keep in mind and thank you. I'm not sure if the tires are different on the 2017. I'm taking it out to the dirt this weekend, will see. I loved the ride you shared. Nice landscape, what a great road for some fun. Thanks!
Great video. I can agree with your top 5 of things to "hate" about the crf. I changed the backlight with a R&G fender eliminator kit (90 euro's), Tires in the size of the bike aren't expensive neither, so they will be changed when the stocks are worn out also.
Great video TMF, Seems like a cracking little bike, I've had my eye on the crf for a while... I'm currently holding out for the CRF250L rally which I believe should be along soon and will be interested to hear your views on that one once it's released. All the best.
you nailed it!! some riders of this bike has said the same as you did... you do have a pretty country to ride in. thanks for sharing with us. I'm from Alabama that were u ride in would make me home sick. it close to what u have.
Great vid! I was wondering what things you would come up with... I love my CRF 250 L. It's hard to come up with anything really negative. After watching your vid on your mods I followed suit and put the same exhaust etc. on mine. That completed it for me. Great package for the price. The KTM's are probably the best performance but for the price I could buy 2 Hondas and loan one out to friends. LOL
+Count Miffed If you are half tempted you definitely should, as long as you try a modded one and not the stock machine (or be prepared to be underwhelmed!)....
As an American.....watching you drive on the left side with a POV camera is utterly terrifying....it just messes with everything I know about driving, haha. I'm looking at buying one of these used in couple years to buzz back and forth to work on when the weather is nice......I'd still take one of these over a Harley any day....those have gotten too popular here, lol.
I've owned a CRF250L here in South Africa for about two years now too. Agree with most of your points, with the exception perhaps of the height; I'm 5'7" and don't have a problem with it - I did in the beginning, but the suspension seems to have settled a tad over time and now I don't notice it. Perhaps it's me just getting used to it. To get on it (I've got a top box on the back) I do the horse-mounting thing; left foot on the footpeg and HUP over the saddle. For me the small tank is an issue, but one can do about 40km AFTER the red bar flashes, so about 200km is possible ~ 120 miles. The headlight sucks, so I've mounted LED auxiliary lights either side and they make a huge difference. The tyres - well, I don't think I'm qualified to comment as, at 57 years old, the tyres can probably outperform me.. Thanks for the vid; I miss the UK; my mum and sister are both there down Orpington way.
Cheers Steve - glad we largely concur, I found my fuel consumption was hit by the various mods I've done to enhance performance - are you running everything as stock?
Yep, except for removing the snorkel - which strangely enough helped quite a bit. I'm at 5000ft elevation and the bike seemed to appreciate a bit more air. Hopefully the EFI is coping with it; I've been running without the snorkel for 6 months and so far so good. I'd love to put a Q4 and megabomb on it, but really can't justify the cost. The bike takes me where I want to go without fuss and bother, so I accept its limitations and am very happy with it.
There is a red bar that flashes on the fuel gauge? I didn't know that. I have had it down so the last bar flashes but I didn't know there was a red bar...
The red bar doesn't flash; it's a printed-on red bar that is normally hidden by the last black segment. When the black starts flashing on and off, you should see a little red bar in its place.
I totally agree with the fuel tank capacity. I carry a rotopax on the back BUT very rarely have to use it. I'm curious what tires you went with? In the USA in my opinion it's hard to find good street legal tires that are great off road for this bike. Good video and review!
+916MikeCA Mike Smith Michelin T67's if I recall correctly - if you search through my CRF playlist you'll find a review of them - make one hell of a difference over stock. Cheers - TMF
After watching your videos I'm pleased to say the crf250l is also now in my stable to complement a 14plate gsa and a mint fire blade. Now begins the mods on the bike. I looked at www.crf only for the FMF exhaust, ejk and power bomb. Is this where you got yours? Agree with all your comments especially cleaning the GSA. WHat a mare! I keep mine showroom which I appreciate is not something GS riders approve of but 'each to their own. Great videos, all the very best Clive.
+Clive Bishop Cheers Clive - I bought my FMF and EJK direct from the respective manufacturers in the US via their websites....you are a man of great taste I must say ;0) Thanks for watching and stopping by - TMF
Hi TMF, greetings from down under. I, like most others that own a 250L agree with all you have said. It is a good all-rounder bike. I have done a few mods to mine and have made it just that bit better. I have kept that stock sprockets as I am getting 34km to 35km per litre. I installed an Acerbis 3.1gal fuel tank and get 350km / 360km out of it. You are a lucky man to be able to ride through the little villages and county side that you have there. Do you ever notice all the history trapped in the buildings and landscape? Watching your vids makes me want to ship my bike over there and ride and explore for a month or more.
Come on over Rustic! ...but bring your water proofs (bear in mind you only see my videos when the sun is out)....I'll swap you for a month, our countryside for your sunshine - deal??? :0)
You have a deal good Sir. My water-proofs are always on the bike, and I confess to enjoy riding in the rain. If you look up Adventure OZ on here and watch some of their vids you will get to see the type of riding we have got over here. Also check out Jamdrop2.
I agree with you that the CRF 250L is a great little bike. I've been very happy with mine. This only issue I have with mine is that it really struggles to make enough power for what I want to do. Trails, gravel roads, etc... are no problem. It's when I ride it on roads where the speed limit is higher (55-70 mph) where I notice the limitations. I'm pretty sure the problem is that I'm wanting this bike to do something for which it was not designed; be a 500 or 650. It'll get me up to 70 mph or more, but the throttle is practically wide open to do it. Time to shop for another bike?
I have the M version of this bike. Thought I'd share my thoughts on your hates. 5... I actually like the stock rear light. Hate what is available aftermarket. They look cheap when they are not. 4... Ride height is fine for me at being 5'10". Then again mine is less taller than yours with 17 inch rims. 3... Power. It's a 250cc engine made to be reliable. Tempted to do your mods but cherish the stock quite setup. I manage 120kph on mine. Good enough to play in urban environment where it spends most of its time. It's extra light which helps with power to weight if you're not a hefty rider to spoil things lol 2... Fuel. I understand your problem but easily solved with an extra tank. not a problem here with a petrol station every stone throw away. 1... Tires. Mine is different with road tires so can't compare. I was sceptical though since they're of an unknown brand so asked the dealer to change to Dunlops instead. He suggested I'd keep stock tires for 2 years or 3 and then change them as he found them quite grippy. It was good advice. No issues whatsoever. Having said all that I had some issues with the headlight not turning on occasionally. They changed a switch under warranty and it was fixed. I also had to adjust my thoughts when it came to the turn signal toggle switch. It is where the horn switch normally is. A bit frustrating at first till you get used to it. There is a big gap from 1st to second gear. Got some false neutrals at first. You then get used to it and eventually find it helpful in finding neutral to park the bike or in lights. That's it. Absolutely love the bike.
+stephen spiteri Thanks for the feedback Stephen - interesting to here the view from the "M" - I forgot about the horn being where the indicators should be and vice versa, that should have made at least number 2 on my list, a right pain when I'm swapping between different bikes all the time (caught me out today in fact). Thanks for stopping by once again- all the best as ever - TMF
If you're ever looking to give some smaller capacity bikes a go, you're more than welcome to give my varadero 125 a go. Just let me know. Brilliant video again as always keep up the brilliant content!
The title had me worried, but nothing major! All are fixable and still likely to spend less money than if you bought the competing model from another manufacturer. And each can be addressed over time. Good video and great bike!
...I don't have a problem with dual purpose tyres per se - just the weird set that Honda provide them with, I've since switched out the front for a Michelin and the difference is like night and day...thanks for watching and taking the time to write that lot out, interesting reading. All the best - TMF
I know this is an old video now, but thought I'd check it out as I now own one of these 😃 I'm loving mine so far. My only real complaint is the tank capacity. It would be nice to have a couple of extra litres to play with.
I'm surprised the front brake line didn't make this list. That's the only thing for which I've not found an easy fix. I'm still enjoying this gutless li'l monster. Stay safe & keep the shiny side up.
+stilldking I don't have an issue with the brakes on the little CRF - they were rubbish when I first bought it but over time have bedded in a treat and I find them perfectly adequate....in fact braided brake lines may even make them too sharp and prone to lock up, maybe??? Cheers for watching and stopping by - all the best - TMF
+TheMissendenFlyer i think hes referring to the break line coming up from the caliper, somewhat over the speedo and then to the reservoir. When i first got the bike it was a massive eye sore to me, always put me off as its so in your face, so high up and so floppy., but now im use to is. Did you find u had a similar issue when getting the bike? Or did it not bother you so much?
+GunsOfPlentyNZ You're correct. The brakes themselves are excellent, but the line blocks the speedo or the warning lights or both. I've heard there's a direct replacement for it, but might be restricted from US import since I've not been able to find one.
Great Video, Recently I have been seriously considering getting my licence (A2) and a couple of my friends have suggested a CRF 250 as a beginner bike. Also would you have any tips for a novice trying to get into motorcycling? It would be great to here you opinion.
+George Illing It's a big subject - I did think about doing a video series for beginners on things like, "what kit do I need", "What bike should I buy", etc.....so stay tuned, may do that in the future...Thanks for watching and all your support...TMF
Did you deflate the stock tires to proper off-road levels prior to judging them, or leave them at street pressure levels? ;-) You need to deflate them to about 20 psi to get proper off-road performance.
great looking bike, did you put thise decals on ? and what is the standard seat height on this ? (you probably did say in your video but im being lazy) thanks Mf
Nice scenery in the video, although it takes a while to get comfortable with you driving on the wrong side of the road (LOL). Do you have any video of what your off road trails look like over there?
PS. If you do 60% on-road, remember that a decent set of knobblys will serve you well on trails but degrade quick on the asphalt thanks to the tread width. I run Bridgestone Battlecross X30R 's on the RMZ which give great grip but are only used on dirt.
@@TheMissendenFlyer Thank you for the reply. I'm looking at using one for a potential trip to Mongolia plus some green laning like yourself. I'm in Kent so theres a few there to explore.
Hi, great video Again, you should have a TV show for bikers. I just bought a 2016, 250 L ,completely stock at the moment just running in, loving the bike. Plan to do all the mods you have done , but for now have been searching everywhere for lower fork protector decals the same as you have, i wonder if you could please let me know where you got them from ? . Also your Honda bar pad, my local dealer only supply Renthal ones, cheers Steve.
+baggy Thanks for the kind words Steve glad you like my videos (and yes, do those mods!!). Both the fork decals and bar pad were purchased from E-Bay, alas I don't have a link to give you but have a search on there and you should find them if they are still available....all the best - TMF
It can be worth lowering your tyre pressures on trails so the tyres can deform a bit and thus grip a bit better. 'course, you'd have to carry a pump with you for going home on the roads but you might get more grip out of the front end by losing 10psi in the traily bits. :)
Being an 'Inseam-Challenged' rider myself, I get the seat height issue. I passed on the CRF250L because of its seat height and bought a DR200SE Suzuki instead since I can almost flat-foot it. I replaced the tires last year with a set of Motoz Tractionator Enduro I/T tires and it made a big difference. No, actually, it made a HUGE difference.....on the Graded Dirt and Gravel roads, Forest Service roads and Fire roads up in the Rocky Mountain Front Range.
+- RunningWithScissors - Yeah I've definitely got to sort my tyres (tires?) out - does the Suzuki go OK - I mean powerful enough as stock? What have you changed???
+TheMissendenFlyer Since it's only a 200cc bike, it's a bit weak in stock trim at only 20Hp/13.7ft.lbs. Has a bit of trouble hauling my 16 Stone up the mountain grades without getting slowed down to 55mph, but I mainly get up into the mountains via the local dirt roads (similar to your Green Lanes). Performance-wise, all I've done so far is replace the Exhaust with an FMF and dropped the Front Sprocket down one tooth. Those added more power/pull. EJK and Air Intake change are planned later this year. Otherwise, I added Bar Risers to make it more comfortable when standing on the pegs, Barkbusters, DataTool heated grips, Seat Concepts seat, Braided front brake line and better pads, Skid Plate, Headlight Guard, Double Take mirrors (love these), TrailTech TTO Tach/Hour meter.
5. Back Light (ugly) 4. Height (too high) 3. Stock Power (mod it for more power, exhaust, EJK fuel controller) 2. Fuel Capacity (too low, 90 miles per tank) 1. Stock Tires (unusable off-road)
Hi there, i went out for a test ride on an almost new Honda crf250m today, the supermoto version of this bike, i absolutely loved the bike and was all set to lay down my cash but about 4 miles in to the test ride i started feeling a lot of high frequency vibration through the bars and pegs, a kind of zzzzzzzz which became very uncomfortable and sent my hands numb, ive riden smaller machines than this before and never felt anything like it, i just wanted to ask you if you feel anything like this through your pegs and bars on the CRF250L ? I was gutted as it was everything i was looking for in a bike but couldn't possibly live with those tingly almost painful vibes sending my hands and feet numb, had to walk away 😞
+Rhiannon studios Hi - That's very odd, I think it must just have been the bike you rode. I don't get vibes like that on my CRF and didn't get any on the CRFM I test rode a few years back - nor have I heard complaints of excessive vibes before...
TheMissendenFlyer Thanks for your reply, yes i thought it was odd and hadn't heard of any reports of bad vibes through the bars on these bikes, i will look around and try another CRF because other than the vibes i loved the bike 👍
Hi there TMF. Im on my second bike, a f700gs. Ive downgraded from my first bike a cbr 1100 because i wanted sonething lighter, confortable and more fuel efficient. I use the bike to commute every single day and im very happy with the beemer, but taxes and fuel cost are starting to rise again in my country. I really like the crf, would it be ok to commute 120 miles a week? Does it hold 60/70 mph ok? The reason i prefer these type of bikes is to cope better with poor roads. Tks
+jirodrigues jirodrigues Hi there - 120 miles a week would be no problem on the CRF (120 a day may be a bit hard on the backside!). The bike is low powered but will hold 60mph easily, at 70 you are basically flat out so have little room for overtaking. If you are riding on "normal" roads then this would be a great commuter, if motorways or autobahns forget it!! Thanks for watching - all the best - TMF
+TheMissendenFlyer tks a lot for answering! I will have to think about it, but it looks like a cracking bike for the price point. Love the vids, keep up the good work.
i´m a 45 newbie with 5,7, 30 inseam and 155 pounds. Do you think this is a good option for a beginner? i´m planning doing 80% on road/ 20% offroad. thanks
+birdoneword I don't actually know as I haven't measured it on a dyno but according to what I've read I reckon maybe 4hp - which on this bike is noticeable!
+Sinan Sarper Depends how much you're likely to miss off-road stuff - if it were me, and I could only have the one, then I'd definately take the Vstrom....I don't think you'd regret it. The Vstrom is a proper all rounder where as really the CRF is more of a plaything in my view.
One more tooth on the rear sprocket makes a good difference in acceleration and low speed trail riding - you lose a bit of top speed but it is not a road racer. I had the Honda XR650L for 13 years. But my first motorcycle in 1978 was the Honda XR250L 18 other motorcycles in between since 1978
I found your video by random as usual on RUclips. I never did like going smaller on the front because of the tighter turn radius of the chain. The rear gives you more options - add one add two add maybe three teeth. Or have 2 rear wheels. One with an 80% off road tire and 3 extra teeth and a rear with a 90% street tire and a standard sprocket. Then just switch rear wheels as needed and the chain is adjusted accordingly. The wildest motorcycle I had was a 1986 Honda CR5oo open class 2-stroke. 60 horsepower and 230 pounds. I was only ever able to ride it wide open throttle was in 2 feet of fresh snow. On hard dirt or a country road it would lift the front wheel at any speed even 80 mph or more :) AH the good old days. Have fun with yours. Watch near the end -- front wheel up in every gear CR500 ruclips.net/video/ginBiabPgiA/видео.html
well i agree with you with the seat height, that's a discussion i made with your Hate list on your GS, Power from stock I think it's not bad but since you live in a big country it's normal you mentioned that. my list should be this, 1) no folding shift lever straight from the Factory 2) I hate the mirror design, i prefer that they should be Rounded shape and preferable fold able. 3) the foot pegs attachment bracket, i don't like so see all that welding around them I prefer that they used another method of attachment and different design, BE Warned they are prone to bending with the Frame. 4)the shitty plastic skid plate 5)no adjustability other than preload only on the rear shock ( I know it's meant to be selled cheap, but the suspension is too damn soft. Once you try to gain more confidence in the dirt by speeding a bit more you will see) 6) and yep, stay away from the Mud with the stock Tires other than that...what the heck i LOVE IT I replaced my rear shock with a HYPERPRO unit from E-bay, it's a Big difference off road and i also replaced the rear tire with a Continental TKC80, compared to the stock it's great!
+ripmax333 Good list ripmax333 - a couple I forgot there - especially number 4, it made such a difference to the look of my bike replacing that with the heavy duty aluminium one...a defo "must mod"! Cheers for stopping by once again - all the best - TMF
G'day MF, another enjoyable, informative vid. I agree about the tail, Stevie Wonder probably designed it! Point 3 is debatable tho. During a test drive, people shouldn't expect it to be fast. Its design is primarily skewed for use on trails of mud, sand, rocks & logs, rather than being a more road-centric commuter. The beauty is with lights etc., you omit the aggro of needing a van, trailer or a ute to legally get it to the trails you want to ride on but as a jack of all trades it will always be the master of none. However, what the CRF250L sacrifices in road speed it makes up for in enough power to get you through difficult terrain. By contrast, my RMZ450 has a frightening amount of rear wheel torque compared to any roadbike I've ever ridden. Yeah, that's great when you need a shitload of grunt to get you up hills etc., but ride the tits off it in a straight line and it'll still struggle to reach a measly 100kmh! Greater engine compression and a big sprocket is a great recipe for low-end torque but equals lousy gearing for top-end performance. As a hybrid design, your trusty steed will serve you well both on AND off-road, but it's an unfair comparison with the likes of a pure offroader or road specific model. Remember, what your CRF250L loses out on in terms of top speed or raw power, it makes up for in versatility. Enjoy!
but you don't see back light....regarding height - it is the lowest dirt bike on the market :) Bigger tank means bigger weight what for off-road is not good. Other then that I agree.
+hillbillydualsport Yes I am aware of the dog bone suspension link lowers, although with the narrow seat I don't find the height to be too much of an issue. I will look up the Kaba link out of interest though...thanks for watching and for the suggestion, all the best - TMF
Seems like you might have wanted the 650L. Seems it is only 20 pounds heavier, an inch or two higher and only $1500 more? At that price point you start mulling the idea that the 650 is a far better deal. I have been searching between 250's and 650's and the money and weight etc is so close it's probably worth spending the bit extra for the bigger bike.
+NicheRiding As a novice off-roader key to my purchase was it had to be road legal and reliable with minimal servicing - criteria that the more sporty off-roaders didn't tend to meet - I'm not familiar with the 650L though, not sure they made/make it for the UK market do they???
TheMissendenFlyer Hmm I don't know, they essentially are the same bike, but 650 cc and the L stands for Legal for road use from what I understand terminology wise. Maybe when you get some free time, check out the american honda motorcycle site. I went over the full stats comparing each.
TheMissendenFlyer thanks for the reply, I am new to street legal bikes but I have off road experience . it's going to be a around town commuter , which would be better for highway? I don't plan on riding on the highway often but if I do have to I'd prefer to have the bike that feels and handel's better at higher speeds .
+TheMissendenFlyer As well as having my CRF250L at home I've had two trips to SE Asia where I've spent a couple of weeks riding one on very variable surfaces. It never fails......seriously tough bike. The seat height even at a lofty 5ft 11in (lol) does become an issue when you get on and off a lot with luggage onboard. Like you say though, to get the suspension travel it's needed. Need a rear rack for mine, not a lot of uk options though. Great videos, keep them coming buddy!
I had a good look at one in the dealers recently. I felt it looked poorly made and finished as if it had been made by an entirely different company. Stock power seems really low. Rose tinted specs and all that but I'm sure the KLR250 I had back in the 80's was a much better made and finished bike. You look like someone who looks after their stuff but I wonder how well the Honda would fare if it wasn't looked after i.e. cosmetics?
Interesting you should say that Brian, I think the CRF is actually one of the better built bikes I have! ....no issues at all with build quality on mine....
+Boodieman72 Currently I have an Arai Rebel, an Arai Tour X4, a Shoei (forget the name) and a Shark (again forget the model name) - check out my "reviews" playlist for more details....
Stop being a skintflint and change those tyres! I want to see the comparison review ;) By the way, i'd highly recommend the Maxxis Maxxcross IT tyres - Just spent a weekend at the Taffy Dakar with these on (again, you should come next year!) and they've been faultless between road and dirt.
+Dan Merralls Cheers Dan...and yes, I will get to those tyres eventually, just got something against scrapping barely worn rubber!! (however rubbish they are)
Shhhhh, don't tell anyone. BBA is getting a little bike because my daughter wants to come adventure riding with me. I think this will be a perfect place for her to start. I'll just need to carry some fuel for her. 😂😂😂
Get a KTM 350, power problem solved for sure! And hydraulic clutch excel wheels etc. Check out a couple of my dirt bike vids all ktms street legal, including my KTM 2009 400 XC-W which I had to gear down for the trail as would do 50mph in 3rd gear and hated 5th at 50mph! Just to tall for technical riding but for commutes such as this is perfect. I miss that English countryside just beautiful!
Not knocking the Honda it looks like a really fun bike its just on every review owners complain about the power. My friends 2016 KTM 350exc is half a bike length slower than my 2009 KTM 400 XC-W (350 is fuel injected) that's slowing at around 65-70 mph. However my 400 is faster than the KTM 450 (2004) in my videos I am riding with. Weight of rider has a lot to do with it but that 350 turns all you have to do is think about it. The exc is a bit soft for me but if you do 50/50 riding would think hard to beat. The one in my video is a limited addition only 20 ( I think) shipped to USA. Another friend has a 2014 350 XC with a few mods and his light arse make the bike a bullet, he wins every drag race and the throttle response is amazing. Really hot when riding here except for 4-5 months out of the year making summer the time to buy a bike here not like the UK. Just got Go-Pro so the videos are not edited working on getting some decent software, any cheap recommendations would be appreciated? Some more drone footage to come, it should follow me on the bike so should be some good dirt bike vids in near future. Give us a like and follow please!
TheMissendenFlyer that is odd, I have a 13t front sprocket to and also a k&n air filter, I’m hoping once I get fmf exhaust it will make much more noticeable increased power
i dont own this bike, i saw this in a review somewhere. i guess its not a big problem if you hadn't noticed. i hope my mentioning it doesn't cause you to notice and be bothered by this . ..
+jack schitt Yes agreed, it's not the lightest off roader ever, but compared to my other road bikes it's still lightweight to me...thanks for watching - TMF
You could have bought a Royal Enfield Himalaya, it produces 24.5 bHP w/ it's a 411cc engine, weighing in at 420 lbs rather than your Honda which is 22hp from a 249cc engine and weighing 265 lbs. I like the Honda numbers.
Hi TMF I known U like your Honda crf it's a peach of a bike . I know this a 3 year old video . I hope u revisit some times I ask u to check out clayton bessell a English man in Australia on utube u will see a crf250l doing what it does best a real capable little bike u dont need big cc to have fun out on the trails . Ro
Thank you TMF for watching clayton bessell & his channel . He is putting out more videos on the crf & what this bike can do . & tuition in riding the bush . But many of this skill be applied here in England. The crf shouldn't be underestimated it's not all about the cc's I think a lot of people would agree with that . Have confidence in yourself can do thinking .Thank u English man in Australia . Rolley aka Ro .
+TheMissendenFlyer just hit 2000km on mine, holy fuck what an amazing bike. Im just starting to get a hang of really getting into the lean on the corners, has really opened up the bike to me!
Bought a brand new 2018 CRF250L two days ago. What a gutless heavy box of shit, Cant wait to get rid of it. Too gutless to have any fun on too heavy for offroad. Mine has 48kms on it, would sell half price and cut my losses just to get rid of it. Very dissapointing bike to ride. Very bad investment.
+Tom Miles Just a little catch-phrase type opener, turns out people like a bit of predictability - although I accept maybe not everyone does...(sorry!)
TheMissendenFlyer when you are short like me and you have been riding for 35 years you learn that you really don't need to put more than the tip of one toe down. In fact I can stop my bikes any time and just balance without putting any feet down at all. A lot of motocross racers start races using that technique.
TheMissendenFlyer can I ask where you got the bike? Cause I’m looking for one after I graduate but I can’t find any good ones only one I find Is a bashan storm 250 cc
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I can't figure out why Honda won't make a 450 for dual sport riding, but instead they make a 650 which is honestly more of a street bike than one for the trails, and a 250 which is a little weak for the roads. A 450 would solve the power issue of the 250's and not be too much to handle off-road. Overall, great video mate, very helpful.
+Josh Ernhart - Agreed, and thanks for the kind words...TMF
Josh Ernhart um they do make a a 450 duel sport based off the CRF450 at least in north america
One just came out but the maintenance is in hours instead of 1000s of miles it’s a true street legal dirt bike not technically a dual sport
@@ladyluck1616 get them in South Africa as well.....great bikes
I wasn't "in the market for one of these" but you have convinced me to buy one now as a second motorbike in 2019. I am now saving my pennies.
You’ll love it John!
Well reasoned video as usual thanks!! I bought a 2018 CRF250L recently and I LOVE it, having great fun and then looking down to see that I am at about 45mph is such a laugh, great fun and low risks hopefully!! I have had my ECU remapped and I am just about to refit it today, plus I have a BMC air filter plus my Arrow exhaust should arrive very soon so I cannot wait to try her "full power" ish. BUT as you state the problem is not to have loads of bhp but mainly to smooth out the power delivery, and of course another 2 horses adds about 10%!!!
Definitely at the top of my list for a dual sport.Great review,thanks TMF.
Thanks for watching!
Hey from Canada!! love your videos!!
+Kurzon Dax Thanks Kurzon (cool name!) - where in Canada are you?
I cant wait to get one of these bikes. Great video thanks :)
You're obviously a person of good taste! Thanks for watching - TMF
Great video ! just sold mine to a nice guy whom when we were talking said he also watched your videos and was buying it as I had all the accessories your does!! Brilliant !
+Jetskicentral I hope you got a good price? Obviously a decent chap too, you can be sure your old bike is in good hands :0) Thanks for watching - TMF
+TheMissendenFlyer I got a fair price for her sold within a week it spent it's life off-road great dual sport bike but I had trouble keeping up with the KTM and husky boys when the going got tough - on road it was perfect ! I've gone for the beta 300 X trainer she arrives on Friday I'll be doing a little ride review with some mods already ordered. Keep up the vids I really enjoy them 👍
Hi TMF, oh I do miss your early introduction video. Just watching this one as I'm thinking of a little winter bike (my excuse) that I can use for a bit of off road.
I'll go watch your other videos on the mods etc etc now.
Ps I am watching loads of your clips of late, but you're putting up so many so very quickly that I can't comment on them all :-)) (that's not a complaint by the way).
Keep up the good work!
At this rate I won't have to watch TV.
They seriously should bring back a Men and Motors tv program. I'd give you my vote any day!
All the best
Richard
Thank you Ricahrd - oh, and do try and keep up!
Coming from a wr450f Iv brought and tryed this bike for green lanes after changing the rear sprocket to 42 teeth and the front to 13 I'm find the bike very capable to lanes . Gpr power bomb exhaust system. And opened up the air filter .the pulling power is nice . I also think that the riding on the roads to and from the green lanes on this little 250 honda is a lot more comfortable. I'll never look back and regret buying it , wot an amazing runner .
Awesome review. I just bought a 2017 days ago. have only 100 miles now on the street. Hate number 5 was improved i'd say with a more streamline looking tail/brake light. Hate number 4 seat height too high is okay for me because I'm 6' tall but still the same for 2017 i think @ 34+ inches. I appreciate the info on Hate number 3, low power. I will be looking into the power mods in the future I'm sure. Will keep it stock for a while but I do think more power will badly needed soon. Hate number 2 fuel tank capacity is the same 2.1 gallon and good point you make. Hate number 1 I will keep in mind and thank you. I'm not sure if the tires are different on the 2017. I'm taking it out to the dirt this weekend, will see. I loved the ride you shared. Nice landscape, what a great road for some fun. Thanks!
Congrats Dag, great fun bike - did 100 miles on mine today! ....and trust me you will want the power mods and new off-road tyres....
Great video. I can agree with your top 5 of things to "hate" about the crf. I changed the backlight with a R&G fender eliminator kit (90 euro's), Tires in the size of the bike aren't expensive neither, so they will be changed when the stocks are worn out also.
+B3rr3 Onthejouptjoupnettie Did the R+G fender eliminator come with instruction booklet or was it simple to fit?
+B3rr3 Onthejouptjoupnettie Did the R+G fend eliminator come with instruction booklet? Or was it simple to install?
I cant understand why Honda doesn't use the Cbr300 engine
Great video TMF, Seems like a cracking little bike, I've had my eye on the crf for a while... I'm currently holding out for the CRF250L rally which I believe should be along soon and will be interested to hear your views on that one once it's released. All the best.
+david hipkiss Look forward to seeing it David! Thanks for the kind words and for stopping by - all the best - TMF
you nailed it!! some riders of this bike has said the same as you did... you do have a pretty country to ride in. thanks for sharing with us. I'm from Alabama that were u ride in would make me home sick. it close to what u have.
+allen Henry I think Alabama does weather better than Buckinghamshire!! (...OK notwithstanding the odd hurricane...)
Great little vid!
Thank you...
Great vid! I was wondering what things you would come up with... I love my CRF 250 L. It's hard to come up with anything really negative. After watching your vid on your mods I followed suit and put the same exhaust etc. on mine. That completed it for me. Great package for the price. The KTM's are probably the best performance but for the price I could buy 2 Hondas and loan one out to friends. LOL
...completely agree and is the primary reason I went with the CRF250L (ease of ownership)....
almost a year with mine now, i approve of the order, and i agree with all your points!
Glad we concur! Did you do the mods??
Exhaust tone sounds great
Another good one mate. At some point I should give one of those a go 😀
+Count Miffed If you are half tempted you definitely should, as long as you try a modded one and not the stock machine (or be prepared to be underwhelmed!)....
As an American.....watching you drive on the left side with a POV camera is utterly terrifying....it just messes with everything I know about driving, haha. I'm looking at buying one of these used in couple years to buzz back and forth to work on when the weather is nice......I'd still take one of these over a Harley any day....those have gotten too popular here, lol.
I've owned a CRF250L here in South Africa for about two years now too. Agree with most of your points, with the exception perhaps of the height; I'm 5'7" and don't have a problem with it - I did in the beginning, but the suspension seems to have settled a tad over time and now I don't notice it. Perhaps it's me just getting used to it. To get on it (I've got a top box on the back) I do the horse-mounting thing; left foot on the footpeg and HUP over the saddle. For me the small tank is an issue, but one can do about 40km AFTER the red bar flashes, so about 200km is possible ~ 120 miles. The headlight sucks, so I've mounted LED auxiliary lights either side and they make a huge difference. The tyres - well, I don't think I'm qualified to comment as, at 57 years old, the tyres can probably outperform me.. Thanks for the vid; I miss the UK; my mum and sister are both there down Orpington way.
Cheers Steve - glad we largely concur, I found my fuel consumption was hit by the various mods I've done to enhance performance - are you running everything as stock?
Yep, except for removing the snorkel - which strangely enough helped quite a bit. I'm at 5000ft elevation and the bike seemed to appreciate a bit more air. Hopefully the EFI is coping with it; I've been running without the snorkel for 6 months and so far so good. I'd love to put a Q4 and megabomb on it, but really can't justify the cost. The bike takes me where I want to go without fuss and bother, so I accept its limitations and am very happy with it.
There is a red bar that flashes on the fuel gauge? I didn't know that. I have had it down so the last bar flashes but I didn't know there was a red bar...
The red bar doesn't flash; it's a printed-on red bar that is normally hidden by the last black segment. When the black starts flashing on and off, you should see a little red bar in its place.
where did you buy the auxiliary lights? that is something i'm looking to do
I totally agree with the fuel tank capacity. I carry a rotopax on the back BUT very rarely have to use it. I'm curious what tires you went with? In the USA in my opinion it's hard to find good street legal tires that are great off road for this bike. Good video and review!
+916MikeCA Mike Smith Michelin T67's if I recall correctly - if you search through my CRF playlist you'll find a review of them - make one hell of a difference over stock. Cheers - TMF
After watching your videos I'm pleased to say the crf250l is also now in my stable to complement a 14plate gsa and a mint fire blade. Now begins the mods on the bike. I looked at www.crf only for the FMF exhaust, ejk and power bomb. Is this where you got yours?
Agree with all your comments especially cleaning the GSA. WHat a mare! I keep mine showroom which I appreciate is not something GS riders approve of but 'each to their own. Great videos, all the very best Clive.
+Clive Bishop Cheers Clive - I bought my FMF and EJK direct from the respective manufacturers in the US via their websites....you are a man of great taste I must say ;0) Thanks for watching and stopping by - TMF
Hi TMF, greetings from down under. I, like most others that own a 250L agree with all you have said. It is a good all-rounder bike. I have done a few mods to mine and have made it just that bit better. I have kept that stock sprockets as I am getting 34km to 35km per litre. I installed an Acerbis 3.1gal fuel tank and get 350km / 360km out of it. You are a lucky man to be able to ride through the little villages and county side that you have there. Do you ever notice all the history trapped in the buildings and landscape? Watching your vids makes me want to ship my bike over there and ride and explore for a month or more.
Come on over Rustic! ...but bring your water proofs (bear in mind you only see my videos when the sun is out)....I'll swap you for a month, our countryside for your sunshine - deal??? :0)
You have a deal good Sir. My water-proofs are always on the bike, and I confess to enjoy riding in the rain. If you look up Adventure OZ on here and watch some of their vids you will get to see the type of riding we have got over here. Also check out Jamdrop2.
I'm planning to get this bike. Can you recommend what mods need to be done to squeeze out more juice from the engine?
+RN675 Check put my CRF playlist - all the mods covered in there...
TheMissendenFlyer brilliant. Will do
Another excellent video TMF.
+Tim Holt Thank you Tim, appreciate the kind words...all the best - TMF
With the mods you did on the exhaust etc, can you get an mot with it as is, or do you have to put the original stuff back on. Great videos as always.👍
Never failed it’s MOT yet!
I was really impressed that as he was talking about the bike's power he was actually able to pass a tractor......
...it impressed me too!
I agree with you that the CRF 250L is a great little bike. I've been very happy with mine. This only issue I have with mine is that it really struggles to make enough power for what I want to do. Trails, gravel roads, etc... are no problem. It's when I ride it on roads where the speed limit is higher (55-70 mph) where I notice the limitations.
I'm pretty sure the problem is that I'm wanting this bike to do something for which it was not designed; be a 500 or 650. It'll get me up to 70 mph or more, but the throttle is practically wide open to do it.
Time to shop for another bike?
Maybe, I do agree, it's not great on fast roads...a CRF 450L would be brilliant!
Agree and gearing is high for off-road.
Glad we concur! Thanks for watching - TMF
I have the M version of this bike. Thought I'd share my thoughts on your hates.
5... I actually like the stock rear light. Hate what is available aftermarket. They look cheap when they are not.
4... Ride height is fine for me at being 5'10". Then again mine is less taller than yours with 17 inch rims.
3... Power. It's a 250cc engine made to be reliable. Tempted to do your mods but cherish the stock quite setup. I manage 120kph on mine. Good enough to play in urban environment where it spends most of its time. It's extra light which helps with power to weight if you're not a hefty rider to spoil things lol
2... Fuel. I understand your problem but easily solved with an extra tank. not a problem here with a petrol station every stone throw away.
1... Tires. Mine is different with road tires so can't compare. I was sceptical though since they're of an unknown brand so asked the dealer to change to Dunlops instead. He suggested I'd keep stock tires for 2 years or 3 and then change them as he found them quite grippy. It was good advice. No issues whatsoever.
Having said all that I had some issues with the headlight not turning on occasionally. They changed a switch under warranty and it was fixed.
I also had to adjust my thoughts when it came to the turn signal toggle switch. It is where the horn switch normally is. A bit frustrating at first till you get used to it.
There is a big gap from 1st to second gear. Got some false neutrals at first. You then get used to it and eventually find it helpful in finding neutral to park the bike or in lights.
That's it. Absolutely love the bike.
+stephen spiteri Thanks for the feedback Stephen - interesting to here the view from the "M" - I forgot about the horn being where the indicators should be and vice versa, that should have made at least number 2 on my list, a right pain when I'm swapping between different bikes all the time (caught me out today in fact). Thanks for stopping by once again- all the best as ever - TMF
If you're ever looking to give some smaller capacity bikes a go, you're more than welcome to give my varadero 125 a go. Just let me know. Brilliant video again as always keep up the brilliant content!
+Sofa Bear Thank you sofa bear - where are you located?
+TheMissendenFlyer I'm based in Twickenham/Richmond
+TheMissendenFlyer I don't mind travelling to you or half way etc if that's more useful etc
+Sofa Bear OK cheers - I'm considering a "readers bikes" type series so will keep you in mind! Thanks and all the best - TMF
+TheMissendenFlyer Brilliant, good luck with your endeavours. I've got to get the fork seals done now. They've gone again after only 6 months
The title had me worried, but nothing major!
All are fixable and still likely to spend less money than if you bought the competing model from another manufacturer. And each can be addressed over time.
Good video and great bike!
+ChronicAltitis ....can only agree on the "Great bike" summary - excellent little funster....
...I don't have a problem with dual purpose tyres per se - just the weird set that Honda provide them with, I've since switched out the front for a Michelin and the difference is like night and day...thanks for watching and taking the time to write that lot out, interesting reading. All the best - TMF
I know this is an old video now, but thought I'd check it out as I now own one of these 😃
I'm loving mine so far. My only real complaint is the tank capacity. It would be nice to have a couple of extra litres to play with.
I take it you know abut the Acerbis long range tank Phil?
@@TheMissendenFlyer I do now! Might have to get myself one soon
I'm surprised the front brake line didn't make this list. That's the only thing for which I've not found an easy fix. I'm still enjoying this gutless li'l monster.
Stay safe & keep the shiny side up.
+stilldking I don't have an issue with the brakes on the little CRF - they were rubbish when I first bought it but over time have bedded in a treat and I find them perfectly adequate....in fact braided brake lines may even make them too sharp and prone to lock up, maybe??? Cheers for watching and stopping by - all the best - TMF
+TheMissendenFlyer i think hes referring to the break line coming up from the caliper, somewhat over the speedo and then to the reservoir. When i first got the bike it was a massive eye sore to me, always put me off as its so in your face, so high up and so floppy., but now im use to is. Did you find u had a similar issue when getting the bike? Or did it not bother you so much?
+GunsOfPlentyNZ You're correct. The brakes themselves are excellent, but the line blocks the speedo or the warning lights or both. I've heard there's a direct replacement for it, but might be restricted from US import since I've not been able to find one.
+stilldking Ah yes, apologies, completely with you on that, very odd bit of design by the Honda crew...
Great Video, Recently I have been seriously considering getting my licence (A2) and a couple of my friends have suggested a CRF 250 as a beginner bike. Also would you have any tips for a novice trying to get into motorcycling? It would be great to here you opinion.
+George Illing It's a big subject - I did think about doing a video series for beginners on things like, "what kit do I need", "What bike should I buy", etc.....so stay tuned, may do that in the future...Thanks for watching and all your support...TMF
+TheMissendenFlyer I'm looking forward to it :), thanks
Did you deflate the stock tires to proper off-road levels prior to judging them, or leave them at street pressure levels? ;-) You need to deflate them to about 20 psi to get proper off-road performance.
+Jeremy D Nope I didn't....
great looking bike, did you put thise decals on ? and what is the standard seat height on this ? (you probably did say in your video but im being lazy)
thanks Mf
Thanks Glen, yes I did add the stickers :0) ...and I'm afraid I can't remember the seat height off the top of my head!
Bloody great video mate! What type of fuel programmer do you have on it?
+NVMCRIDER I've got the EJK - and thanks!
Nice scenery in the video, although it takes a while to get comfortable with you driving on the wrong side of the road (LOL). Do you have any video of what your off road trails look like over there?
PS. If you do 60% on-road, remember that a decent set of knobblys will serve you well on trails but degrade quick on the asphalt thanks to the tread width. I run Bridgestone Battlecross X30R 's on the RMZ which give great grip but are only used on dirt.
+Mountain Jew Understood - cheers....
Had your track day yet?
+Mountain Jew Monday :0)
Wicked! Have fun! Let us know how it all pans out.
Hi TMF......another great video.......what do you use to carry the extra fuel please
I just strap a small fuel can I got off of E-Bay on the rack on the back in case - just enough to get me to a fuel station if I misjudge things....
How much did the FMF exhaust and the EJK mod affect the MPG of the bike?
As standard it knocks out 70 plus MPG I believe.
I’ve not done a calculation but it definitely took a noticeable hit...
@@TheMissendenFlyer Thank you for the reply. I'm looking at using one for a potential trip to Mongolia plus some green laning like yourself. I'm in Kent so theres a few there to explore.
Hi, great video Again, you should have a TV show for bikers. I just bought a 2016, 250 L ,completely stock at the moment just running in, loving the bike. Plan to do all the mods you have done , but for now have been searching everywhere for lower fork protector decals the same as you have, i wonder if you could please let me know where you got them from ? . Also your Honda bar pad, my local dealer only supply Renthal ones, cheers Steve.
+baggy Thanks for the kind words Steve glad you like my videos (and yes, do those mods!!). Both the fork decals and bar pad were purchased from E-Bay, alas I don't have a link to give you but have a search on there and you should find them if they are still available....all the best - TMF
+TheMissendenFlyer Ok thanks for that, i,l keep looking, cheers Steve.
It can be worth lowering your tyre pressures on trails so the tyres can deform a bit and thus grip a bit better.
'course, you'd have to carry a pump with you for going home on the roads but you might get more grip out of the front end by losing 10psi in the traily bits. :)
Yes - good advice, thanks...
Being an 'Inseam-Challenged' rider myself, I get the seat height issue. I passed on the CRF250L because of its seat height and bought a DR200SE Suzuki instead since I can almost flat-foot it. I replaced the tires last year with a set of Motoz Tractionator Enduro I/T tires and it made a big difference. No, actually, it made a HUGE difference.....on the Graded Dirt and Gravel roads, Forest Service roads and Fire roads up in the Rocky Mountain Front Range.
+- RunningWithScissors - Yeah I've definitely got to sort my tyres (tires?) out - does the Suzuki go OK - I mean powerful enough as stock? What have you changed???
+TheMissendenFlyer Since it's only a 200cc bike, it's a bit weak in stock trim at only 20Hp/13.7ft.lbs. Has a bit of trouble hauling my 16 Stone up the mountain grades without getting slowed down to 55mph, but I mainly get up into the mountains via the local dirt roads (similar to your Green Lanes).
Performance-wise, all I've done so far is replace the Exhaust with an FMF and dropped the Front Sprocket down one tooth. Those added more power/pull. EJK and Air Intake change are planned later this year.
Otherwise, I added Bar Risers to make it more comfortable when standing on the pegs, Barkbusters, DataTool heated grips, Seat Concepts seat, Braided front brake line and better pads, Skid Plate, Headlight Guard, Double Take mirrors (love these), TrailTech TTO Tach/Hour meter.
+- RunningWithScissors - ...sound like you have all the mods under control! Cheers - TMF
5. Back Light (ugly)
4. Height (too high)
3. Stock Power (mod it for more power, exhaust, EJK fuel controller)
2. Fuel Capacity (too low, 90 miles per tank)
1. Stock Tires (unusable off-road)
Yep I agree with those!
i dont agree on height .
same. 34" seat height isn't high at all. I hate the 321 lbs more than the 34" seat height
Hi there, i went out for a test ride on an almost new Honda crf250m today, the supermoto version of this bike, i absolutely loved the bike and was all set to lay down my cash but about 4 miles in to the test ride i started feeling a lot of high frequency vibration through the bars and pegs, a kind of zzzzzzzz which became very uncomfortable and sent my hands numb, ive riden smaller machines than this before and never felt anything like it, i just wanted to ask you if you feel anything like this through your pegs and bars on the CRF250L ? I was gutted as it was everything i was looking for in a bike but couldn't possibly live with those tingly almost painful vibes sending my hands and feet numb, had to walk away 😞
+Rhiannon studios Hi - That's very odd, I think it must just have been the bike you rode. I don't get vibes like that on my CRF and didn't get any on the CRFM I test rode a few years back - nor have I heard complaints of excessive vibes before...
TheMissendenFlyer Thanks for your reply, yes i thought it was odd and hadn't heard of any reports of bad vibes through the bars on these bikes, i will look around and try another CRF because other than the vibes i loved the bike 👍
Hey xcellent video....would love to hear your opinion on the new Honda CRF1000 Africa Twin...maybe give us a review.
+Damian Whitchurch-Aird Thank you Damian - yes I'd love to have a go one one - unfortunately I don't have a Honda dealer local to me.... :0(
Yes indeed - it is all relative - when I say "near" I mean the nearest dealer is 30 miles away (still an hour away on our busy roads though!)...
Oh dear....6 days would be an outrage for me (with Prime I often get orders within 24 hours!!)
Great video and that English countryside is just beautiful
Thank you :0)
Hi there TMF. Im on my second bike, a f700gs. Ive downgraded from my first bike a cbr 1100 because i wanted sonething lighter, confortable and more fuel efficient. I use the bike to commute every single day and im very happy with the beemer, but taxes and fuel cost are starting to rise again in my country. I really like the crf, would it be ok to commute 120 miles a week? Does it hold 60/70 mph ok? The reason i prefer these type of bikes is to cope better with poor roads. Tks
+jirodrigues jirodrigues Hi there - 120 miles a week would be no problem on the CRF (120 a day may be a bit hard on the backside!). The bike is low powered but will hold 60mph easily, at 70 you are basically flat out so have little room for overtaking. If you are riding on "normal" roads then this would be a great commuter, if motorways or autobahns forget it!! Thanks for watching - all the best - TMF
+TheMissendenFlyer tks a lot for answering! I will have to think about it, but it looks like a cracking bike for the price point. Love the vids, keep up the good work.
+jirodrigues jirodrigues You're welcome and will do! Cheers - TMF
I agree with your list in same order!
Excellent, I'm glad you concur....
i´m a 45 newbie with 5,7, 30 inseam and 155 pounds. Do you think this is a good option for a beginner? i´m planning doing 80% on road/ 20% offroad. thanks
Yes excellent option for a newbie - and old hand alike (I love mine, been riding it today as it happens!)...
I’m thinking also in the CB500X. What’s your opinion?
Not ridden it but why not!
What have you managed to increase the hp by?
+birdoneword I don't actually know as I haven't measured it on a dyno but according to what I've read I reckon maybe 4hp - which on this bike is noticeable!
I own a CRF 250 L too but I want to sell it and buy a Suzuki Dl 650 V strom for longer trips Do you recommend it or will i regret if i do that?
+Sinan Sarper Depends how much you're likely to miss off-road stuff - if it were me, and I could only have the one, then I'd definately take the Vstrom....I don't think you'd regret it. The Vstrom is a proper all rounder where as really the CRF is more of a plaything in my view.
Yes you're right thank you
Sinan Sarper ..
I feel the same about the tires..
Jolly good :0)
One more tooth on the rear sprocket makes a good difference in acceleration and low speed trail riding - you lose a bit of top speed but it is not a road racer. I had the Honda XR650L for 13 years. But my first motorcycle in 1978 was the Honda XR250L
18 other motorcycles in between since 1978
Yes I did the front sprocket (took it to 13 teeth), I'm quite happy with how she performs now on and off road...thanks for watching - TMF
I found your video by random as usual on RUclips. I never did like going smaller on the front because of the tighter turn radius of the chain. The rear gives you more options - add one add two add maybe three teeth. Or have 2 rear wheels. One with an 80% off road tire and 3 extra teeth and a rear with a 90% street tire and a standard sprocket. Then just switch rear wheels as needed and the chain is adjusted accordingly.
The wildest motorcycle I had was a 1986 Honda CR5oo open class 2-stroke. 60 horsepower and 230 pounds.
I was only ever able to ride it wide open throttle was in 2 feet of fresh snow. On hard dirt or a country road it would lift the front wheel at any speed even 80 mph or more :) AH the good old days.
Have fun with yours. Watch near the end -- front wheel up in every gear CR500 ruclips.net/video/ginBiabPgiA/видео.html
well i agree with you with the seat height, that's a discussion i made with your Hate list on your GS, Power from stock I think it's not bad but since you live in a big country it's normal you mentioned that. my list should be this,
1) no folding shift lever straight from the Factory
2) I hate the mirror design, i prefer that they should be Rounded shape and preferable fold able.
3) the foot pegs attachment bracket, i don't like so see all that welding around them I prefer that they used another method of attachment and different design, BE Warned they are prone to bending with the Frame.
4)the shitty plastic skid plate
5)no adjustability other than preload only on the rear shock ( I know it's meant to be selled cheap, but the suspension is too damn soft. Once you try to gain more confidence in the dirt by speeding a bit more you will see)
6) and yep, stay away from the Mud with the stock Tires
other than that...what the heck i LOVE IT
I replaced my rear shock with a HYPERPRO unit from E-bay, it's a Big difference off road and i also replaced the rear tire with a Continental TKC80, compared to the stock it's great!
+ripmax333 Good list ripmax333 - a couple I forgot there - especially number 4, it made such a difference to the look of my bike replacing that with the heavy duty aluminium one...a defo "must mod"! Cheers for stopping by once again - all the best - TMF
Hey man!! I'm thinking of getting one for my L's! Do u think they are suitable? Please let me know!!
Errrr, not sure what you mean by "getting one for my L's"??
I think he means Learner's licence?
G'day MF, another enjoyable, informative vid. I agree about the tail, Stevie Wonder probably designed it! Point 3 is debatable tho. During a test drive, people shouldn't expect it to be fast. Its design is primarily skewed for use on trails of mud, sand, rocks & logs, rather than being a more road-centric commuter. The beauty is with lights etc., you omit the aggro of needing a van, trailer or a ute to legally get it to the trails you want to ride on but as a jack of all trades it will always be the master of none. However, what the CRF250L sacrifices in road speed it makes up for in enough power to get you through difficult terrain. By contrast, my RMZ450 has a frightening amount of rear wheel torque compared to any roadbike I've ever ridden. Yeah, that's great when you need a shitload of grunt to get you up hills etc., but ride the tits off it in a straight line and it'll still struggle to reach a measly 100kmh! Greater engine compression and a big sprocket is a great recipe for low-end torque but equals lousy gearing for top-end performance. As a hybrid design, your trusty steed will serve you well both on AND off-road, but it's an unfair comparison with the likes of a pure offroader or road specific model. Remember, what your CRF250L loses out on in terms of top speed or raw power, it makes up for in versatility. Enjoy!
+Mountain Jew Indeed it does! Cheers - TMF
but you don't see back light....regarding height - it is the lowest dirt bike on the market :) Bigger tank means bigger weight what for off-road is not good. Other then that I agree.
Not sure I understand "but you don't see back light"...but I get the rest! Cheers - TMF
Robson Enduro the xt250 is lower
@@dezzahayes6492 not sold in Europe
how about a film about the things you love about your bikes
...those are the reviews I do each year - not sure if you've seen them?
oh yes i watch all your films
Good man :0)
what do you run your ejk settings at?
I use the standard settings it comes with for the CRF with the stage 2 mods...I've not fiddled with it yet...
Look up Kaba link it lowwers the rear end 1 and 3 quarters of a inch its nice!
+hillbillydualsport Yes I am aware of the dog bone suspension link lowers, although with the narrow seat I don't find the height to be too much of an issue. I will look up the Kaba link out of interest though...thanks for watching and for the suggestion, all the best - TMF
Seems like you might have wanted the 650L. Seems it is only 20 pounds heavier, an inch or two higher and only $1500 more? At that price point you start mulling the idea that the 650 is a far better deal. I have been searching between 250's and 650's and the money and weight etc is so close it's probably worth spending the bit extra for the bigger bike.
+NicheRiding As a novice off-roader key to my purchase was it had to be road legal and reliable with minimal servicing - criteria that the more sporty off-roaders didn't tend to meet - I'm not familiar with the 650L though, not sure they made/make it for the UK market do they???
TheMissendenFlyer Hmm I don't know, they essentially are the same bike, but 650 cc and the L stands for Legal for road use from what I understand terminology wise. Maybe when you get some free time, check out the american honda motorcycle site. I went over the full stats comparing each.
+NicheRiding ...I checked the Honda UK site - not listed on there :0(
TheMissendenFlyer ok switch to the USA site and you will see it, under the dual sports.
I've had mine for 3 months now. It's horribly uncomfortable. I'm gonna buy a new bike again in spring. I love everything about it except the comfort.
Changing the seat it's not an option?
im thinking off getting the green one because its different but the same but its greenand does have the big bore option
There's a green one?
would i be better off buying the x650l? Is it worth the extra money?
Dunno - depends what your experience and mission is???
TheMissendenFlyer thanks for the reply, I am new to street legal bikes but I have off road experience . it's going to be a around town commuter , which would be better for highway? I don't plan on riding on the highway often but if I do have to I'd prefer to have the bike that feels and handel's better at higher speeds .
...in that case the 650 it is....the 250L isn't great on faster roads (above 60mph)......
How low can you drop this bike?
Dunno
I was looking into getting this bike as my first. I plan on using it a lot in the city, do you think just keeping it stock would be alright?
+Brandon Nguyen Perfect for city riding, not so good if you have motorway/fast dual carriageway to ride....
What about the fuel cap? It's total tat! And the brake pipe routing?
+Ian James Good points Ian, I forgot those, but completely agree! Cheers and all the best - TMF
+TheMissendenFlyer As well as having my CRF250L at home I've had two trips to SE Asia where I've spent a couple of weeks riding one on very variable surfaces. It never fails......seriously tough bike. The seat height even at a lofty 5ft 11in (lol) does become an issue when you get on and off a lot with luggage onboard. Like you say though, to get the suspension travel it's needed. Need a rear rack for mine, not a lot of uk options though. Great videos, keep them coming buddy!
I had a good look at one in the dealers recently. I felt it looked poorly made and finished as if it had been made by an entirely different company. Stock power seems really low. Rose tinted specs and all that but I'm sure the KLR250 I had back in the 80's was a much better made and finished bike. You look like someone who looks after their stuff but I wonder how well the Honda would fare if it wasn't looked after i.e. cosmetics?
Interesting you should say that Brian, I think the CRF is actually one of the better built bikes I have! ....no issues at all with build quality on mine....
agree for the tyres, they look offroad but can't handle it, however excellent onroad
+Joel Michels Agreed!
Fair point!
TMF, which helmet(s) do you use?
+Boodieman72 Currently I have an Arai Rebel, an Arai Tour X4, a Shoei (forget the name) and a Shark (again forget the model name) - check out my "reviews" playlist for more details....
TheMissendenFlyer I'm looking for a better helmet. The HJC I have now it noisy and lets the wind come in around the chin, so it tries my lips out.
***** I'm torn between a Shoei Neotech and a Suberth C3 Pro
+Boodieman72 I love my C3 pro.
im about 5 foot 4 to 5 foot 5...is this gonna be to big for me....
I think it probably is Dawson, sorry about that - best try one, but don't build up your hopes too much!
Stop being a skintflint and change those tyres! I want to see the comparison review ;)
By the way, i'd highly recommend the Maxxis Maxxcross IT tyres - Just spent a weekend at the Taffy Dakar with these on (again, you should come next year!) and they've been faultless between road and dirt.
+Dan Merralls Cheers Dan...and yes, I will get to those tyres eventually, just got something against scrapping barely worn rubber!! (however rubbish they are)
Makes you wonder why Honda wouldn't just release the 250CRF with 25+bhp And decent 50/50 tyres. Instant classic!
Thanks for the comment and I completely agree! All the best - TMF
Shhhhh, don't tell anyone. BBA is getting a little bike because my daughter wants to come adventure riding with me. I think this will be a perfect place for her to start. I'll just need to carry some fuel for her. 😂😂😂
Get a KTM 350, power problem solved for sure! And hydraulic clutch excel wheels etc. Check out a couple of my dirt bike vids all ktms street legal, including my KTM 2009 400 XC-W which I had to gear down for the trail as would do 50mph in 3rd gear and hated 5th at 50mph! Just to tall for technical riding but for commutes such as this is perfect. I miss that English countryside just beautiful!
So where are you based now Aquatic Terra Firma?
Not knocking the Honda it looks like a really fun bike its just on every review owners complain about the power. My friends 2016 KTM 350exc is half a bike length slower than my 2009 KTM 400 XC-W (350 is fuel injected) that's slowing at around 65-70 mph. However my 400 is faster than the KTM 450 (2004) in my videos I am riding with. Weight of rider has a lot to do with it but that 350 turns all you have to do is think about it.
The exc is a bit soft for me but if you do 50/50 riding would think hard to beat. The one in my video is a limited addition only 20 ( I think) shipped to USA. Another friend has a 2014 350 XC with a few mods and his light arse make the bike a bullet, he wins every drag race and the throttle response is amazing. Really hot when riding here except for 4-5 months out of the year making summer the time to buy a bike here not like the UK. Just got Go-Pro so the videos are not edited working on getting some decent software, any cheap recommendations would be appreciated? Some more drone footage to come, it should follow me on the bike so should be some good dirt bike vids in near future. Give us a like and follow please!
I can get mine to 90mph any day and sometimes faster but I weigh 165lbs and I made some modifications
I weigh 154 lbs have all the stage 1 mods and mine won't go over (an artifically high reading as I have a 13T front sprocket) 70mph....
TheMissendenFlyer that is odd, I have a 13t front sprocket to and also a k&n air filter, I’m hoping once I get fmf exhaust it will make much more noticeable increased power
once again TMF, lovely video, can't wait for the panigale, top ten dislikes!,
+Peter Gunton ...I need to get a few more miles on her yet....like my other bikes I'm likely to struggle finding ten - but will give it a go!!!
how about the engine being slightly offset so your right foot is out a bit wider . .
I hadn't even noticed that!!
i dont own this bike, i saw this in a review somewhere. i guess its not a big problem if you hadn't noticed. i hope my mentioning it doesn't cause you to notice and be bothered by this . ..
I hate my crf250l 2020 because i experience stalling during stop light or deceleration ..
Make sue it's had the recall done....
My 2018 bike has a much prettier rear light set up than yours. The rest looks very similar indeed.
another knock is its weight, it's 321 lbs, same weight as DRZ400S and 26 lbs more than wr250R
+jack schitt Yes agreed, it's not the lightest off roader ever, but compared to my other road bikes it's still lightweight to me...thanks for watching - TMF
A beautiful day ? In Australia everyone would depressed with that weather......
Well it's all relative Bob....we're easily pleased us whinging poms ;0)
TheMissendenFlyer that's true. Thanks for the video I'm thinking about getting one of these. Do u think it would have enough power for soft sand ?
your on the wrong side of the road skippy!
You could have bought a Royal Enfield Himalaya, it produces 24.5 bHP w/ it's a 411cc engine, weighing in at 420 lbs
rather than your Honda which is 22hp from a 249cc engine and weighing 265 lbs.
I like the Honda numbers.
I could have done indeed - but glad I didn’t!
don't forget the tornadoes!!
+allen Henry Those too! :0)
Ps my ECU flash cost me 350 Euro....
Hi TMF I known U like your Honda crf it's a peach of a bike . I know this a 3 year old video . I hope u revisit some times I ask u to check out clayton bessell a English man in Australia on utube u will see a crf250l doing what it does best a real capable little bike u dont need big cc to have fun out on the trails . Ro
Cheers Ro - I'll check him out in a sec...
Thank you TMF for watching clayton bessell & his channel . He is putting out more videos on the crf & what this bike can do . & tuition in riding the bush . But many of this skill be applied here in England. The crf shouldn't be underestimated it's not all about the cc's I think a lot of people would agree with that . Have confidence in yourself can do thinking .Thank u English man in Australia . Rolley aka Ro .
I hate not having one.
+FireBlade Rider Hehe, good one - you got to get that fixed then!
+TheMissendenFlyer just hit 2000km on mine, holy fuck what an amazing bike. Im just starting to get a hang of really getting into the lean on the corners, has really opened up the bike to me!
+GunsOfPlentyNZ Yeah it's surprising the lean you can get on the little Honda isn't it (when on-road at least).....
Couldn't agree more about the lousy tires. Absolute garbage. In fact they are dangerous
your on the wrong side of the road Skippy!
Skippy??!!!
TheMissendenFlyer LOL.
kangaroo - they call kangaroos Skippy in Oz. he probably thought you were from Australia hence Skippy
LOL ...Started vid with Aussie accent then changed to London-ish.
Hey Beaudreaux, he's not a skip.
Bought a brand new 2018 CRF250L two days ago. What a gutless heavy box of shit, Cant wait to get rid of it. Too gutless to have any fun on too heavy for offroad. Mine has 48kms on it, would sell half price and cut my losses just to get rid of it. Very dissapointing bike to ride. Very bad investment.
...can't help wondering why you bought it then?
Did you not request a test ride
I've watched the American guys riding these bikes they all say change the tyres🤔
I agree 100% - the stock ones are pants!
What about the seat then? Its absolute rubbish too...
I've heard others say that too, although I don't have any issue with it....
Christ... why is your license plate so massive? lol
Tell me about it!
Interested in what you say and your films BUT why do you call everyone 'kids' are you a teacher?
+Tom Miles Just a little catch-phrase type opener, turns out people like a bit of predictability - although I accept maybe not everyone does...(sorry!)
5' 8" and complaint that it is too tall? You must be joking. I am 5'4" and the CRF250L is too short for me if.
+Wayne Wildman Thanks for watching Wayne, and no, I wasn't joking....
TheMissendenFlyer when you are short like me and you have been riding for 35 years you learn that you really don't need to put more than the tip of one toe down.
In fact I can stop my bikes any time and just balance without putting any feet down at all.
A lot of motocross racers start races using that technique.
I thought it was gonna be big problems that’s all fixable
Yeah, I love the bike - no real problems, rock solid Honda!
TheMissendenFlyer can I ask where you got the bike? Cause I’m looking for one after I graduate but I can’t find any good ones only one I find Is a bashan storm 250 cc