People need to understand, "they" CAN and WILL do WHATEVER they want to do !! Do we DESERVE what we get ? We ARE ALL responsible for their crimes against us on a daily basis ! Approx. 170 million of us, NEED to descend on Washington to demand immediate change BUT no, we'd all rather come into youtube land to complain. Yes, we deserve what we get !!! Truth, it matters !!
They usually are dismissed, you just have to take 1 to 3 days off work to show up in court to fight it. Or pay a lawyer...Either way you lose time or money or both.
@@Zamugustarthat’s why they have the no contest, technically you admit no fault but just agree to not argue basically. You don’t admit 100% guilt basically
@@dylconnaway9976 Driving 90 on a freeway is not detrimental to society lol. You're full of it, and you know it. Which boot polish tastes the best to you? 😂
Let's do away with all of these "quotas" or "performance goals", for all police departments. Game wardens should be protecting nature and not racking up speeding tickets on the freeway. Thank you for shedding light on this issue, Adam. This is quality journalism.
Okay, so...playing devil's advocate here: How do you propose they track performance and reward officers doing their job correctly and efficiently? It's not that I disagree with the sentiment that I ask that, by the way. We've made official quotas illegal, but _unofficial_ ones still persist and have the same effects. At the same time, there is a need to track officer performance, the quality of that performance, and incentivize excellence. How do we do that in a way that isn't an quota and/or won't have the same effects as one? I've been thinking about that one for a while now, and I don't have an answer for it yet. Wish I did, though, since it's not just a problem over there in Utah. It's _everywhere._
@@nightrunnerxm393It's not just that. Local taxpayers don't want to foot the bill of making up the difference if the quota system goes away to fund municipal police.
You can call a fish a dog, but if it looks like a fish, smells like a fish and even lives in water, its a fish! Call it what you want, its the very definition of a quota.
Let's see a quote from a 1971 movie. Thats 53 years ago. From the movie Billy Jack "When the police lie, then there is no law, just a fight for survival." We are still fighting for our survival as We The People today. "We The People" have become scared of our government from the lowest government employee all the way up the president. We have become so scared of the retaliation we see being done that we won't even join local coalitions to defend ourselves. (Myself included)
Notice how, although some of them secretly complained, the officers seemed to have no problem passing the abuse on to the citizens. These people are not your friends.
@@catritz Well, you were right about you. Why did they pass a law against quotas if "It's all about the money"? Why are they holding hearings to end this practice among Fish and Game? If it's "All about the money", why not just sit back, smile and collect that money?
@@PlutogalaxyHave you ever been to traffic court in a major metropolitan city? If you have them you know it can be an all day affair. If more people would plead not guilty and take it to trial the courts would grind to a halt. As soon as that happens things will begin to change!
Can anyone say policing for profit! One thing i dont hear in this reporting is how much the DNR is getting for writing all these tickets? Follow the money and you'll find answers!
It's not always about how much they make from tickets. The tickets justify their budget. They always want a bigger budget because the people who manage that budget and the people under it justify their pay based on how much money is in the budget, how many employees they have and how much equipment they use. So to justify an ever increasing budget, the need ever increasing need for "service". This is why you always see the fire department respond to pidley things they aren't needed for, the ever increasing use of SWAT and the general over use of government agencies, they have to justify their budgets. THAT is the money you have to follow.
I did a bit of research and it would appear that Utah is much like my state. A speeding citation issued by a state officer (State Police, DNR, etc) is paid or adjudicated in the county court in which the citation was issued. Any fines or fees collected by the county are kept by the county or perhaps a municipality. A portion of the funds could go into a specific state training program as in my state P.O.S.T. ( Peace Officers Standards and Training ). State agencies are typically funded by state budgets proposed by the executive (Governor) and then hashed out and approved by the legislature, and to a much lesser degree, civil forfeitures.
Why do the highways need 2 different departments patrolling? Makes no sense. Sounds like the DWR has too many officers if they have to resort to highways.
Several years ago, the then Ogden city police chief initiated a monthly quota for officers pertinent to traffic speeding violations. Well intended but beyond jurisdiction. He finally and reluctantly backed down. He later became a member of the Utah State Legislature where he continued to receive flack for the quota situation. In the end, the quota issue went bye-bye. So did his tenure as a state representative.
How can the DWR institute an illegal quota let alone not having jurisdiction over traffic infractions without having speed detection equipment? Appears that the current Ogden police chief has flaunted the past determinations.
Glad the People in Utah listened to the investigative reports and shut that tyrant down. BUT...Wondering where he moved to and what he's doing now, though.
@@BrentScott-rq5oi "Pacing" is a form of speed detection. Less precise than other methods, but still valid in many places. The first question is: are these officers trained to detect speed by pacing.
DMR themselves has said they don't. The officers even admit to people they stopped they don't have radar and just paced. Which I also guarentee DWR does NOT have certified spedometers, which is required for pacing to my knowledge.
Not sure about USA but in the UK "normal" police cars and vans don't have calibrated speedos. Traffic cops have their speedos calibrated on a regular basis but also have radar guns that are also calibrated. There's also an unwritten 10% over the speed before they prosecute.
@@graememckay9972 police cars have several upgrades over standard cars and a certified speedometer is one. Legally you could probably get the court to dismiss the charge without that
😮Wow… and I thought that report yall did a couple weeks back was all I’d ever hear about this! That was fast; I’m glad this has been thrown in the spotlight. People should not have to worry about being caught up in a system that exploits and e extorts money from them!
Quotas are synonyms with Law Enforcement. They've spent generations denying such exist, yet every month, like clock work, you see LEOs in specific areas focused on generating tickets. What's truly pathetic, so much real crime and so many safety issues are dismissed in an effort to achieve said quotas. Thus, quotas are both a demonstration of negligence on the part of Law Enforcement, and a form of harassment utilized by Law Enforcement. In both instences, safety and security are compromized.
‘Policing’ in the U.S. is mostly about road piracy. It’s been that way for many years. The main function of the vast majority of cops in the U.S. is to generate revenue via vehicular infractions.
Interesting. New Jersey state troopers less than 25% of them sit on highways looking for vehicular infractions. The vast majority of them are actually investigating/dealing with county-county crime.
@@andrewdinns1746 According to various sources such as Stanford University, traffic stops are by far the most common type of police interaction in the U.S. According to Stanford, U.S. police perform about 50,000 traffic stops *per day,* or about 20,000,000 traffic stops per year. Not surprisingly, it would seem that there isn’t much of a systematic tracking of traffic stops by the various and multitude of police agencies in the U.S., so exact figures are hard to come by; after all, U.S. police agencies aren’t big on transparency. When one takes into account that in 2022 U.S. police only cleared about 38% of violent crimes and about 12% of property crimes, one might think that the time and resources taken by those 20,000,000 or so traffic stops could have been better spent.
@@andrewdinns1746it’s pretty rare. Most departments are taking the revenue route and only go after easy tickets for their quotas. Pretty much every single department has a quote just like this video. They call it by many names but it’s all quotas.
When departments become so large that they need to predate on their community members to support their budgets, then they have outgrown their usefulness and budget and staffing cuts need to be made.
@ianbattles7290 that's where a skilled liar comes in to play. Cops revel in the fact they can lie in any situation, and no one will ever hold them accountable.
Yup! No results= No budget= No job. The legislature specifically passed the "no quotas", to target redundant depts, and cut their.funding...Turns out that "poaching", isn't a common "crime"...
A game wardens jurisdiction is the entire state and yes they have the authority to give traffic tickets it's just not their main job but if you want an warrant for unpaid fines I guess that's your choice😂 just like the people who say they wouldn't stop for one are willing to turn a simple ticket into a felony arrest for fleeing an officer. As far as no radar that is not true they use radar to check speeds of atv and snowmobile and pacing is a valid and legal way for any officer to check your speed
@Parasclepius this time they may not have but that doesn't mean it's not an option for them or unavailable people just seem to think that radar is the only way to check speeds and it's not. Ticket quotas in any form are not right my complaint is people saying a ticket from a warden is not valid when it totally is legal for them to give traffic tickets when they see it. The guy in yellow car saying he didn't know they did that was stopped for doing 100 in a 70 that far over is easy to see radar or not.
@user-wq3tf8qn4e just as easy to lie about the speed he was going, too. The warden can make up any number he wants, and there's no radar data to prove it. They need to be focused on poachers, not road regulations. If they're that bored that they can step outside their normal duties to patrol roads, then the department should cut the extraneous positions so that there's enough work that they won't get bored doing the job their supposed to be doing.
@cghill1080 they want to know what is happening in the vehicle as they approach it is a valid safety issue they have no idea who is in their doing what when they walk up
There’s a guy who has been filming a police department in NY that uses plastic covers over their plates to avoid paying tolls and they have illegal tints on their personal cars. It’s posted on RUclips. When the guy brings it up to the other officers who confront him, they are not giving each other tickets. Others will mark or cover a letter on their plate. Another guy was removing whatever was blocking part of the plate to find it reappear later. Corruption, no? And they make a living from our taxes 😂
I don't know if it's possible but I think this is something The Institute for Justice should be involved with. If I am incorrect will someone please enlighten me. If I am correct I would like to see any videos involving the Institute for Justice and game wardens.
@NonyafriggnBuisness the quota thing maybe but giving traffic tickets is totally in the scope of their valid duties just not their main focus they have the same authority as state highway patrol officers just extra training in wildlife and recreation laws
@@user-wq3tf8qn4e yes I agree except for the fact that this one Forest ranger is going out of his way to write tickets. I don't deny that in some situations these rangers are in a position to enforce traffic laws, but when they GO OUT OF THEIR WAY to to do it, it makes me feel like the forest rangers don't have enough to do on their regular job.
Soooo, our license and tag fees aren't even being used to protect wildlife... I respect the heck out of wildlife officers, but this doesn't make me happy!
Do the game wardens have cars with calibrated speedometers? Are they able to swear under oath that every speeding ticket they write is accurate and prove it?
Give them a budget and make sure no money from policing goes back to the department. Also stop allowing unmarked vehicles on highways. Unmarked vehicles should only be used in undercover investigative work, not policing. Police officers should always be 100% identifiable.
As a retired police officer who was a traffic officer, in a large California City I never felt that we had a quota I could write as many tickets as I wanted in a day. There was however that the end of the week that you would at least write 20 tickets so they know you are making traffic stops whether they're looking for suspects and other crimes or whatever but there was never a quota. Now living in a small town I believe there are quotas so the town can make extra money.
"There was however that the end of the week that you would at least write 20 tickets so they know you are making traffic stops whether they're looking for suspects and other crimes or whatever but there was never a quota." THAT is a QUOTA.
They may need to amend the bill that number of arrests or tickets may not be used to evaluate officers for promotion, bonuses, punishment, or other consideration.
Why would that politician who said he was against quotas not just say the Division of Wildlife Resources should have absolutely nothing to do with highway traffic. What's next, will the DWR start issuing parking tickets. Will they start arresting people for domestic abuse. And where do they get off claiming they can impound someone's car.
Quotas, performance goals, metrics per time, etc. Are all illegal. I want cops out there fighting genuine crime, not out pulling over people over for 5 over. Especially without a radar! DWR should be up in the mountains WITHOUT performance goals. I have ran into a few of them up in the mountains and I would rather them be super nice to everyone, informative, and fight genuine crime and bad actors. I don't want them to see me as someone they can take advantage of to get a "number."
I can understand if someone egregious happens in front of a game warden driving to work, and they make a stop, but they shouldn't be driving around looking for people going 6 over.
People who are given speeding tickets need to challenge the officer on the spot and ask to see the certification of the radar gun and speedometer of the vehicle. If they can't prove it tell them the ticket is not vald !!!!!
Imagine walking into your boss's office and demanding a couple hundred dollars from him and threatening to put him in jail if he doesn't pay it. That is exactly what is happening here. These road pirates are demanding money from the taxpayers that employ them under threat of kidnapping them and locking them up should they not pay.
The chief of DNR needs to be fired and have his Leo qualifications revoked. He doesn't care about citizens' constitutional rights. He must not have a badge.
If the dnr wants to look into actual things that influence the ecosystem, there is a freshwater fish store owner/hobbyist that I think needs a little scrutiny as to what they import, and own.
Why so much time on their hands??? Don’t we need more officers at our parks and mountains, lakes and hunting grounds???? These DWR guys need to stay in their own territory!
As a state employee I will tell you with facts. Performance goals come with bonuses. Plain and simple. The state came up with performance goals one year ago and the better your "performance goal" the bigger the bonus.
Without radar or laser, every one of these cases should be dismissed.
People need to understand, "they" CAN and WILL do WHATEVER they want to do !! Do we DESERVE what we get ? We ARE ALL responsible for their crimes against us on a daily basis ! Approx. 170 million of us, NEED to descend on Washington to demand immediate change BUT no, we'd all rather come into youtube land to complain. Yes, we deserve what we get !!! Truth, it matters !!
Not if there dumb enough to admit pay it
@@shanghunter7697 your iq is definitely under room temp
They usually are dismissed, you just have to take 1 to 3 days off work to show up in court to fight it. Or pay a lawyer...Either way you lose time or money or both.
@@Zamugustarthat’s why they have the no contest, technically you admit no fault but just agree to not argue basically. You don’t admit 100% guilt basically
Actual highway robbery
G men same since Rome 🎉
Could just try not breaking the law.
@@dylconnaway9976
Driving 90 on a freeway is not detrimental to society lol. You're full of it, and you know it.
Which boot polish tastes the best to you? 😂
@@dylconnaway9976 I guess you believe in what the Lying Pigs are claiming lol...yup you're another Boot Licker.
@@dylconnaway9976 Lick that boot, boy.
Let's do away with all of these "quotas" or "performance goals", for all police departments. Game wardens should be protecting nature and not racking up speeding tickets on the freeway. Thank you for shedding light on this issue, Adam. This is quality journalism.
Okay, so...playing devil's advocate here: How do you propose they track performance and reward officers doing their job correctly and efficiently?
It's not that I disagree with the sentiment that I ask that, by the way. We've made official quotas illegal, but _unofficial_ ones still persist and have the same effects. At the same time, there is a need to track officer performance, the quality of that performance, and incentivize excellence. How do we do that in a way that isn't an quota and/or won't have the same effects as one? I've been thinking about that one for a while now, and I don't have an answer for it yet. Wish I did, though, since it's not just a problem over there in Utah. It's _everywhere._
@@nightrunnerxm393
The same way they track company truckers:
GPS and Cameras.
@@nightrunnerxm393It's not just that. Local taxpayers don't want to foot the bill of making up the difference if the quota system goes away to fund municipal police.
@@nightrunnerxm393 As if road violations are the reason we have Game Wardens? Unless Yogi and Boo-Boo have started driving! Bambi has a Mustang??
@@nightrunnerxm393Just incase you dont know police already dont have to respond to calls, maybe force them to do their job rather than hope they do.
This is legalized extortion
100%
It's legalized terrorism. "Qualified Immunity"...
knowingly and intentionly being a tyrant
Check out civil forfeiture laws. Those are really sick.
Just raise the fees for license plates and driver's licenses already. It's less dishonest.
You can call a fish a dog, but if it looks like a fish, smells like a fish and even lives in water, its a fish! Call it what you want, its the very definition of a quota.
Not in 2024 apparently...
@@andreim841its also known as armed robbery.
I think dolphins smell like fish, look like fish, but they’re not fish.
@@madmaximilian5783 armed and badged.
And if you have a fish, a Game Warden will appear.
Carry your tags.
Extortion at its finest. When tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty.
It’s not extortion. Don’t want a ticket? Don’t break the law.
Let's see a quote from a 1971 movie. Thats 53 years ago. From the movie Billy Jack "When the police lie, then there is no law, just a fight for survival." We are still fighting for our survival as We The People today. "We The People" have become scared of our government from the lowest government employee all the way up the president. We have become so scared of the retaliation we see being done that we won't even join local coalitions to defend ourselves. (Myself included)
Once again the biggest law breakers are those who Are supposed to uphold the law.
Absolutely. Law enforcement are all trash any more. I no longer support them and I actively support anti-cop groups with my donations any more.
We all know they are Mormons
Accountable to NO ONE!!!
They do not know the law they go to academy for less than a year and my barber went to school for 2 years to able to cut hair.
The worse part is that the governments won't stop this , with force.
Tell the warden, you saw a sheriff’s deputy checking fishing licenses at the lake 😂
Prison warden?
@@CN45475 game warden is what some states call their fish and wildlife officers
Notice how, although some of them secretly complained, the officers seemed to have no problem passing the abuse on to the citizens. These people are not your friends.
They told on their boss. What do you want from them?
This quota will end because they spoke up. Chill out.
@@Kahless_the_Unforgettable Personally, I consider myself fairly naive, but you... take the cake.
*_It's all about the money, Honey_*
@@catritz Well, you were right about you.
Why did they pass a law against quotas if "It's all about the money"? Why are they holding hearings to end this practice among Fish and Game? If it's "All about the money", why not just sit back, smile and collect that money?
Yeah, with How Abusive they are, they are Surely Not your Friend, more like your Wife!
Kind of gang members complaining about having to obey the gang code, even if they don't like it sometimes.
Budget = Quotas
Budget = Paycheck
This, exactly.
That's a quota no matter how you spin it!
Quotas mean that police value quantity over quality.
If it continues , BLAME your Governor .
Also the men writing the tickets. Ultimately they could find another job. Quit passing the buck.
Ya know why not taking responsibility for something is called a "cop out?"
Lol, blame the Mormons!!
This is also happening in Maryland
These agencies are now ran by DEI loving Democrats, check who you are trying to blame.
We need accountability and transparency. Is their focus on highway patrol or wild life patrolling ?
They don’t have radars in their trucks either.
@maruji5533 some do they are used for atv/snowmobile speed checks mainly
if they don't have radar take them to court, can't write tickets if there're tied up in court
@@PlutogalaxyHave you ever been to traffic court in a major metropolitan city? If you have them you know it can be an all day affair. If more people would plead not guilty and take it to trial the courts would grind to a halt. As soon as that happens things will begin to change!
Court costs a day off work and then the missed day costs more than the ticket
Calibrated speedometer. Js
They get paid overtime while they are off duty if they have to go to court, I’m sure it wouldn’t bother them one bit.
@@bondobilly9369 do these pickups truly have calibrated speedometers?
Can anyone say policing for profit! One thing i dont hear in this reporting is how much the DNR is getting for writing all these tickets? Follow the money and you'll find answers!
It's not always about how much they make from tickets. The tickets justify their budget. They always want a bigger budget because the people who manage that budget and the people under it justify their pay based on how much money is in the budget, how many employees they have and how much equipment they use. So to justify an ever increasing budget, the need ever increasing need for "service". This is why you always see the fire department respond to pidley things they aren't needed for, the ever increasing use of SWAT and the general over use of government agencies, they have to justify their budgets. THAT is the money you have to follow.
I did a bit of research and it would appear that Utah is much like my state. A speeding citation issued by a state officer (State Police, DNR, etc) is paid or adjudicated in the county court in which the citation was issued. Any fines or fees collected by the county are kept by the county or perhaps a municipality. A portion of the funds could go into a specific state training program as in my state P.O.S.T. ( Peace Officers Standards and Training ). State agencies are typically funded by state budgets proposed by the executive (Governor) and then hashed out and approved by the legislature, and to a much lesser degree, civil forfeitures.
@guyintenn Wait you did research before getting online and just regurgitating words?
Just wait until you learn about civil forfeiture.
@@ZombieSnax42069 I went down that rabbit hole back in 2014 when a local TV station aired a multi-part story titled "Policing For Profit".
Why do the highways need 2 different departments patrolling? Makes no sense. Sounds like the DWR has too many officers if they have to resort to highways.
Utah is not the only state that has this happening in
It's not "Speeding" officer....It's "Performance Goal" driving.....
I'd just tell them, "I'm not speeding, I'm qualifying."
Quotas are illegal, but they just continue doing them and calling them "performance goal"
Several years ago, the then Ogden city police chief initiated a monthly quota for officers pertinent to traffic speeding violations. Well intended but beyond jurisdiction. He finally and reluctantly backed down. He later became a member of the Utah State Legislature where he continued to receive flack for the quota situation. In the end, the quota issue went bye-bye. So did his tenure as a state representative.
How can the DWR institute an illegal quota let alone not having jurisdiction over traffic infractions without having speed detection equipment? Appears that the current Ogden police chief has flaunted the past determinations.
Glad the People in Utah listened to the investigative reports and shut that tyrant down. BUT...Wondering where he moved to and what he's doing now, though.
@@BrentScott-rq5oi "Pacing" is a form of speed detection. Less precise than other methods, but still valid in many places. The first question is: are these officers trained to detect speed by pacing.
@@JH-wd6dp No.
It’s possible there’s too many law enforcement agencies, they’re overlapping responsibility. I’m not advocating defunding, but maybe refocus.
At least limit responsibilities and powers.
Refocus? They're not allowed to place cameras on private land without a warrant anymore, this is their Refocus
No worries! I’ll advocate for defunding. We’ll start with executive salaries.
My issue is with the quotas "preformance goals", thats the problem here.
Police cars come with certified speedometers. I guarantee the DWR trucks do not
DMR themselves has said they don't. The officers even admit to people they stopped they don't have radar and just paced. Which I also guarentee DWR does NOT have certified spedometers, which is required for pacing to my knowledge.
Not sure about USA but in the UK "normal" police cars and vans don't have calibrated speedos. Traffic cops have their speedos calibrated on a regular basis but also have radar guns that are also calibrated. There's also an unwritten 10% over the speed before they prosecute.
@@graememckay9972 police cars have several upgrades over standard cars and a certified speedometer is one. Legally you could probably get the court to dismiss the charge without that
I think we gathered that when they literally told us they don’t.
@@kristianvandehei8757?? Really can you please give the time stamp where they mention police vehicles having certified speedometers.
😮Wow… and I thought that report yall did a couple weeks back was all I’d ever hear about this!
That was fast; I’m glad this has been thrown in the spotlight.
People should not have to worry about being caught up in a system that exploits and e extorts money from them!
that is exactly what government does.
Quotas are synonyms with Law Enforcement. They've spent generations denying such exist, yet every month, like clock work, you see LEOs in specific areas focused on generating tickets. What's truly pathetic, so much real crime and so many safety issues are dismissed in an effort to achieve said quotas. Thus, quotas are both a demonstration of negligence on the part of Law Enforcement, and a form of harassment utilized by Law Enforcement. In both instences, safety and security are compromized.
Dont talk to law enforcement for any reason
Don't break the law and you won't have to
Wow, they let you say that.
@perfect1150 Do you honestly believe that? If a cop is talking to you, he's trying to incriminate you.
@@perfect1150 sure thing PIG
@@perfect1150 Why are you telling people to break the law? You should follow the rules.
Are you kidding me? Every police department in the USA has quotas. They just don’t publish them!
‘Policing’ in the U.S. is mostly about road piracy. It’s been that way for many years. The main function of the vast majority of cops in the U.S. is to generate revenue via vehicular infractions.
Interesting. New Jersey state troopers less than 25% of them sit on highways looking for vehicular infractions. The vast majority of them are actually investigating/dealing with county-county crime.
@@andrewdinns1746 According to various sources such as Stanford University, traffic stops are by far the most common type of police interaction in the U.S. According to Stanford, U.S. police perform about 50,000 traffic stops *per day,* or about 20,000,000 traffic stops per year.
Not surprisingly, it would seem that there isn’t much of a systematic tracking of traffic stops by the various and multitude of police agencies in the U.S., so exact figures are hard to come by; after all, U.S. police agencies aren’t big on transparency.
When one takes into account that in 2022 U.S. police only cleared about 38% of violent crimes and about 12% of property crimes, one might think that the time and resources taken by those 20,000,000 or so traffic stops could have been better spent.
@@andrewdinns1746it’s pretty rare. Most departments are taking the revenue route and only go after easy tickets for their quotas. Pretty much every single department has a quote just like this video. They call it by many names but it’s all quotas.
Hold them accountable!!!
End this now!!
I have been noticing recent issues like this in game wardens/fish and wildlife officers across the entire nation. This is not limited to just Utah.
When departments become so large that they need to predate on their community members to support their budgets, then they have outgrown their usefulness and budget and staffing cuts need to be made.
the blue wall of silence speaks volumes
I had a cop call them "magic" numbers. Doesn't matter what you call them. Its still policing for profit.
"Not quotas, they're performance goals". Sort of like saying Sport teams don't get points, they get merits!
So the cops are required to arrest ten people, *even if only five of them are actually breaking the law???*
Detain , not arrest
But remember, it's not an illegal quota if they call it by a different name!
@ianbattles7290 that's where a skilled liar comes in to play. Cops revel in the fact they can lie in any situation, and no one will ever hold them accountable.
Yup! No results= No budget= No job. The legislature specifically passed the "no quotas", to target redundant depts, and cut their.funding...Turns out that "poaching", isn't a common "crime"...
Only democratic officers
Where does the money go? These thing are decided by management of government.
I would sue and never pay the ticket. Out of jurisdiction and no radar. Our local sherif has no radar and has lost every ticket challenged.
A game wardens jurisdiction is the entire state and yes they have the authority to give traffic tickets it's just not their main job but if you want an warrant for unpaid fines I guess that's your choice😂 just like the people who say they wouldn't stop for one are willing to turn a simple ticket into a felony arrest for fleeing an officer. As far as no radar that is not true they use radar to check speeds of atv and snowmobile and pacing is a valid and legal way for any officer to check your speed
There are other speed enforcement tools such as VASCAR, timing traps and pacing.
@user-wq3tf8qn4e the report itself says they don't run radar. Stop trying to cloud the issue with misinformation. Your lies are transparent.
@Parasclepius this time they may not have but that doesn't mean it's not an option for them or unavailable people just seem to think that radar is the only way to check speeds and it's not. Ticket quotas in any form are not right my complaint is people saying a ticket from a warden is not valid when it totally is legal for them to give traffic tickets when they see it. The guy in yellow car saying he didn't know they did that was stopped for doing 100 in a 70 that far over is easy to see radar or not.
@user-wq3tf8qn4e just as easy to lie about the speed he was going, too. The warden can make up any number he wants, and there's no radar data to prove it. They need to be focused on poachers, not road regulations. If they're that bored that they can step outside their normal duties to patrol roads, then the department should cut the extraneous positions so that there's enough work that they won't get bored doing the job their supposed to be doing.
Lawmakers can concoct all the laws they want, but the cops, and in this case the DNR will always find a way around or a loophole.
They don't want to rip money from citizens, but you can get a ticket for window tint. Why?
The age old officer safety excuse
@@chaos0852wow...what a dishonorable job to have.
@cghill1080 they want to know what is happening in the vehicle as they approach it is a valid safety issue they have no idea who is in their doing what when they walk up
There’s a guy who has been filming a police department in NY that uses plastic covers over their plates to avoid paying tolls and they have illegal tints on their personal cars. It’s posted on RUclips. When the guy brings it up to the other officers who confront him, they are not giving each other tickets. Others will mark or cover a letter on their plate. Another guy was removing whatever was blocking part of the plate to find it reappear later. Corruption, no? And they make a living from our taxes 😂
Road pirates
True. Now it’s called “contacts”. Make at least 10 contacts during your shift.
Typical over reach to make money not reduce crime🤔😳
I don't know if it's possible but I think this is something The Institute for Justice should be involved with. If I am incorrect will someone please enlighten me. If I am correct I would like to see any videos involving the Institute for Justice and game wardens.
@NonyafriggnBuisness the quota thing maybe but giving traffic tickets is totally in the scope of their valid duties just not their main focus they have the same authority as state highway patrol officers just extra training in wildlife and recreation laws
@@user-wq3tf8qn4e yes I agree except for the fact that this one Forest ranger is going out of his way to write tickets. I don't deny that in some situations these rangers are in a position to enforce traffic laws, but when they GO OUT OF THEIR WAY to to do it, it makes me feel like the forest rangers don't have enough to do on their regular job.
Dwr should not be ticketing anyone for anything otherthan hunting or fishing violations
Performance goal = quota
Look in to why the department is changing policy. Bet it goes right back to the Governor.
Crime has doubled since they started enforcing the law?!?! What kind of asinine statement is that?!
cops above the law, go figure
Don't act like you're surprised everything's about money.
why does DNR have ANY law enforcement authority outside DNR managed areas?
Just dont talk to law enforcement for any reason
LOSER who has obviously been arrested and is blaming law enforcement for your choices.
Makes people hate the police even more.
It is up to the state leadership to fire the DWR management.
Speedometers in pickup trucks are not calibrated. They are writing tickets based on personal opinion.
Why are your fish cops patrolling the interstates and highways. Shouldn't they be in the mountains, hills, desert, lakes, rivers etc.............. 🖕
They don't get their quota out there as easy as the major highway
Sure they can "demand" answers, but if the "blue line" stonewalls. It stonewalls 🤷🏻♀️
Soooo, our license and tag fees aren't even being used to protect wildlife... I respect the heck out of wildlife officers, but this doesn't make me happy!
Defund them
Do the game wardens have cars with calibrated speedometers? Are they able to swear under oath that every speeding ticket they write is accurate and prove it?
No to both questions.
Whoever is in charge of this wildlife department needs to go to jail for enacting a quota that is knowingly against the law.
Game wardens don’t have authority for traffic violations
yup, that's ridiculous
Give them a budget and make sure no money from policing goes back to the department.
Also stop allowing unmarked vehicles on highways. Unmarked vehicles should only be used in undercover investigative work, not policing. Police officers should always be 100% identifiable.
Exactly. No uniform, no compliance. No cop car, no pulling over.
This is what journalism is about. Great job 👏
The head of the department will resign, and nobody will be refunded.
So if quotas are illegal then why not ticket the game wardens for breaking the law?
The case law they could be violating here is
Ross vs Neff & United States V. Sawyer
It's a quality incentive. Helps generate revenue for the agency. At least three tickets per shift minimum.
As a retired police officer who was a traffic officer, in a large California City I never felt that we had a quota I could write as many tickets as I wanted in a day.
There was however that the end of the week that you would at least write 20 tickets so they know you are making traffic stops whether they're looking for suspects and other crimes or whatever but there was never a quota. Now living in a small town I believe there are quotas so the town can make extra money.
"There was however that the end of the week that you would at least write 20 tickets so they know you are making traffic stops whether they're looking for suspects and other crimes or whatever but there was never a quota." THAT is a QUOTA.
Sounds like they have way too many wildlife officers.
Dept of wildlife should be banned from writing tickets unless part of a wildlife investigation
Dept.of Wildlife has jurisdictions that start at the state line and end at the freezer in your kitchen. As if they need more authority!
The standing army Thomas Jefferson warned the citizens about.
Highway Patrol there has been doing this for ages....speed trap state...which is why I will never go back.
They’re a State Agency. The Legislation should have more control over them than the local police.
They may need to amend the bill that number of arrests or tickets may not be used to evaluate officers for promotion, bonuses, punishment, or other consideration.
Not a chance I would hand my driver’s license over to a Game Warden. The legislature needs to ban them from any traffic enforcement.
It would seem to me they need certified speedometers that are certified at least monthly.
😆😝😝😝😝😂😂😂😂😝 SMH!
"That costs money... We'll do that!"
@@the_lost_navigator they are certified when they leave the factory.
@@Brad_Huff Irrelevant - DNR will order calibration to justify 'Funding' & to legalize their cases in court.
@@the_lost_navigator no they won’t. You obviously don’t know how things work. Smh…
Why would that politician who said he was against quotas not just say the Division of Wildlife Resources should have absolutely nothing to do with highway traffic. What's next, will the DWR start issuing parking tickets. Will they start arresting people for domestic abuse. And where do they get off claiming they can impound someone's car.
It's kinda like getting a speeding ticket from a meter maid.
Quotas, performance goals, metrics per time, etc. Are all illegal. I want cops out there fighting genuine crime, not out pulling over people over for 5 over. Especially without a radar!
DWR should be up in the mountains WITHOUT performance goals. I have ran into a few of them up in the mountains and I would rather them be super nice to everyone, informative, and fight genuine crime and bad actors. I don't want them to see me as someone they can take advantage of to get a "number."
I can understand if someone egregious happens in front of a game warden driving to work, and they make a stop, but they shouldn't be driving around looking for people going 6 over.
People who are given speeding tickets need to challenge the officer on the spot and ask to see the certification of the radar gun and speedometer of the vehicle. If they can't prove it tell them the ticket is not vald !!!!!
That's what court is for. There is no requirement to show you anything on the side of the road.
All departments are running quotas. Even the ones who say they aren't. Ogden PD is still doing it.
prosecute and dismiss. Nothing else will suffice. The DWR director should be in jail. Change the law stripping DWR of ANY ability to stop traffic.
Imagine walking into your boss's office and demanding a couple hundred dollars from him and threatening to put him in jail if he doesn't pay it. That is exactly what is happening here. These road pirates are demanding money from the taxpayers that employ them under threat of kidnapping them and locking them up should they not pay.
The chief of DNR needs to be fired and have his Leo qualifications revoked. He doesn't care about citizens' constitutional rights. He must not have a badge.
Bureaucratic double speak.
If the dnr wants to look into actual things that influence the ecosystem, there is a freshwater fish store owner/hobbyist that I think needs a little scrutiny as to what they import, and own.
Why is this chief over DNR still employed?
If I own a business I couldn't report a profit unless I sold speeding tickets
the audio in this video is a little weird and only plays from one side if you're listening to it with headphones
The DWR is telling the truth when they say "it is not a quota"... THIS IS A POLICE STATE.
Do they have the jurisdiction? They should restrict their ability to ticket to parks and hunting zones.
Why so much time on their hands??? Don’t we need more officers at our parks and mountains, lakes and hunting grounds???? These DWR guys need to stay in their own territory!
SIMPLE SOLUTION, DEFUND THE WILDLIFE DEPARTMENT!!!!!!! AND DO NOT VACATION IN UTAH!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wildlife and Natural resource officers ALSO have more options to punish people immediately like seizing your boat and truck for minor infractions.
Sounds like a quota.....looks like a quota......
Yep, it's a quota!
As a state employee I will tell you with facts. Performance goals come with bonuses. Plain and simple. The state came up with performance goals one year ago and the better your "performance goal" the bigger the bonus.