Big Ryan is a pretty successful con man. I don’t know how you can go from being someone’s personal Geek Squad to literally owning and operating their entire livelihood.
Love how the difference between modern AVGN and Nostalgia Critic is that one is clearly a broken man who lost his passion far too many years ago due to the failure of his epic hollywood attempt but can't stop because he doesn't know how to do anything else, while the other man was broken from the very start and can't stop because he's actually in love with the insane things he does.
@@TheosakeYeah, everything after he initially dropped Nostalgia Critic and was forced back into doing it feels like garbage. At least AVGN kept the quality up relatively higher long after, still.
Doug clearly still has the passion (and the time) for the shit he does. Bames acts and looks like he's on a life support machine But strangely enough Bames' videos get way more views (1+mil) than Doug's (not even 500k), guess AVGN brand still can be milked for years, whatever the quality of the content is
The "Mike and Bootsy" videos were the best, I looked forward every time for those. You had mike, you're more real angry gamer, then bootsy with his zen personality and a really great gamer. It was just fun.
I'm shocked that series is still up on RUclips along with the single episode of Bootsy Beats lol. I backed them all up to a hard drive years ago after I heard what happened between him & Mike because I had a feeling they would delete them.
I think the “rental reviews” show had a lot of potential. Albeit, the format was a bit disorganized, and they had too many chefs in the kitchen, but that set was incredible.
The set was amazing and it had potential. The problem was it just randomly showed up one day and people were like who are these slobs and why do we care about their poorly put together opinions 😂 if the execution was better and they eased the slobs in it would have worked much better
Yeah the set was admittedly great. My main problem with the show was how none of them seemed to know much about cinema. It's been a while since I watched any episodes, but I recall their discussions being mostly superficial and surface level. I'm pretty sure there were even entire episodes where the name of the director of whatever film being discussed wasn't even mentioned. And James, bless him, barely said anything substantive at all. I remember thinking after a few episodes, "James really does not know cinema history all that well..." He seems to know a bit about his niche interests (golden age horror, for instance), but judging from his appearances on "Rental Reviews"...he doesn't know about much else.
Its a bit ironic that james and kiernan have been sucked into only doing AVGN content because it gets views, and now red cow arcade is being forced to do AVGN content because it gets views
@brandogg is complaining about video games from the 80s content? Everybody goes all in when it's AVGN shitting on games, but God forbid somebody makes a joke about precious Bimmy
I don’t know where else I’d be able to state this so I’ll put it here. James has made errors in the past so it’s not a big deal. I noticed that the Earthworm Jim episode was written by James-or at least it said it was written by James-but there was a small nitpick I have. He says Evil the Cat in the background gives him devil from Fantasia vibes and then mentions the music. He says it’s Ride of the Valkyries, when it’s actually Night on Bald Mountain, which was actually in Fantasia. Edit: I’m not a truther and I only bring it up since I finally watched that episode and realized it was post-Kieran. And like I mentioned before, just a small nitpick.
Been a Cinemassacre/AVGN fan since day 1 and had no idea of any drama up until Kieran quit, they all seemed like a bunch of cool dudes. I met and hung out with James at an event once and he was the most nice and chill guy! Seeing all these videos and comments are interesting though, goes to show no youtube channel is safe after all lol
So let me get this straight: Mike and james made a lot more money and made about 2 videos a month, they decided to outsource which gave everybody less money cause they had to pay more people, and now they down to making 4 videos a year...wat has happened to cinemassacre??
From what I know Mike and James had Bootsy and Kyle Justin basically working for free. I'm guessing they started outsourcing when those two left the site.
@Mud Kip which he probably didn't get payed for, or not enough..From wat i read: bootsy and kyle left cause of money disputes or disagreements or cause of a falling out.. As for mike leaving: this is just my theory, it wasn't cause he was overworked, it was cause james wanted to focus on music and other projects, that mike didn't want to be involved in as he is just a gamer...If he was truly overworked why would he still be streaming weekly content and in his free time still be helping james with editing his videos...
Same, fkn, here! Haha Hadnt watch CM for a while, and when i started watching again these screenwave media bozos were on screen, so i stopped watching again. 😂
I stopped watching Cinemassacre years ago but never followed any behind the scenes stuff. I only just found this. Is there a good video or videos that can catch me up?
I really respect Tarantino's choice to retire relatively early. That generation of filmmakers, Tarantino, Kevin Smith, Robert Rodriguez, Jarmusch, a big part of their appeal is that they were like your nerdy friends who finally got a chance to make those movies they were always talking about. But past a certain point, you've been an out of touch millionaire for a lot longer than you were a broke film nerd, and then it's either talk down to your audience, or make something that they can't possibly relate to.
Tony said in one of the last Hack the Movie videos before Newt got canned that "Newt literally writes EVERYTHING we say on Screenwave" Keiren was the best "slob" of all, i hate to hear him and Newt have beef. One time Tony was gonna be on Shark Exorcist 2 and kept talking about it right up until Newt was fired. Then right when Newt was gone he announced he was NOT gonna be on Shark Exorcist 2, in the comments i asked if it was because Newt was writing it and the fallout. the HTM channel replied something like " yeah Newt "wrote" (in parenthesis) a lot of things, but we couldnt be sure he wrote any of it, so we had ourselves removed from it." but really the Mike and Ryan show was a great series they had. but if Ryan, Newt, Tony, and Kiern could work together (not all at once, cause they do clash) independent of pushing the AVGN "brand" they could do some interesting stuff. James is best when he's like "Cabinet of Dr. Caligari is 100 years old today, lets talk about how great and innovative that film was" Stuff like that, when he talks from the heart, is peak James.... even the corny Rocky 4 mouden, he is having fun not pushing content. i wish all those Justin/AVGN/Cinemassacre/ Mike and Erin/ Tony ..... whoever.... would take turns coming to your channel for interviews to set the story straight. even James himself... i dont know why but i find this stuff fascinating
At first when Newt left HTM I was kinda sad. But the quality of the show since his departure has only increased. He was a drag on the videos looking back now.
@@senvivaviro it did, but the show has become formulaic and kind of boring lately, and Newt is doing pretty well for himself now...multiple movie screenplays sold, multiple roles in films, he recently directed a movie, doing a comic strip, RUclips, still helping at the theaters...he's bounced back okay
@@JamesJohnson-tr1gu agreed. i've all but quit watching HTM, even if it's the closest thing to Rental Reviews left. Newt's channel on the other hand is killing it for me, SchlockAndAwe keeps bringing me interesting things, Tony's chanel has just gotten more and more formulaic, and trying to ride the almighty YT algorithm. i will still catch an ep that covers something i really care about and/or if Kristal Quinn is on there though, but that's the only way.
so newt set the record straight on one of his streams. Ryan said the monster madness scripts sounded too much like newt and needed re-writes. he gave notes last minute, no one checked the work absolutly zero qa is happening then then scandal happened.
None of the justification they've made is valid. You can't just copy and paste other people's analysis into your work and then have the plan of going back and re-wording it. Re-wording is still plagiarism. They act as if the accident was forgetting to re-word things, but the crime is that they copied other reviews to begin with with the plan to not only plagiarize but to hide their plagiarism by modifying words.
"Caveman not understand once video broadcast on web world wide it exist forever? Caveman don't want to talk about Slobwave, so Caveman record TWO livestreams within weeks each other talking about Slobwave. How social media do work?! Grunt!"
I'm a person who was on the cinemassacre truth way back before it blew up. Back then, the people that were there, really cared about cinemassacre and wanted it to improve. Of course we made fun of it, but it wasn't just about that. I've since abandoned the group, because of what it became. There are a ton of people there that never wanted Cinemassacre to get better, they just want to trash it over and over again. The saddest part about all this shit with Screenwave is that James had a guy at the helm who hated his job, and the team of people he worked for. If you he smart, he would have tapped into the fandom. There were a lot of smart/funny people who loved him and would have passionately contributed. Instead, it's been the blind leading the blind, and we now know that the entire team that screenwave is completely inept. What a waste.
Cinemassacre Truth started long before Screenwave ever came in and the show was still good. It started because Mike kept kicking people off the regular "official" Cinemassacre sub. That's when all the memes about him having a giant dong were going around and he'd ban anyone who made them, THEN he posted a photo of his wiener to "shut everybody up" yet continued to ban anyone who talked about THAT. That's why the mod's leaked their private chats with him because even they were getting fed up with him. We were forced to make a new sub to even be allowed to talk about anything, you'd get banned for even saying Bootsy's name in the regular sub. The overall decline of the channel started long after Cinemassacre Truth had been established
Same. I went to the truth subreddit because you could discuss episodes more freely without getting banned for doing genuine criticism of the show but it's just mean spirited posting against James, those tired "cuck" memes from /tv/ and dunking on every video analysis about AVGN that doesn't conclude in calling James an asshole or something.
I too want cinemssacre to do well but I’m also enthralled at looking at what it has become. It is sad in a way, because James had a very successful “brand” and image he could have had continued success I think. Sure, he would have to probably pívot on the angry nerd stuff, maybe evolve the character to something more in line with his older audience, but it wouldn’t have been too difficult. The truth was though, as weird as Mike is/was it seems like he was knowledgeable one on keeping the show going. James has made poor decision after poor decision on his own.
Has Kieran or someone else talked about how much trimming they did for their podcast? Like how much of the deleted stuff was just "Yep... MhmmmMMmm... Yeeeeeah... Yep!"?
If I'm being completely honest as rotten as it is to focus on James' hairline, it's literally all I can do. It's like he gets his hair cut in the oddest, most distracting way possible
I randomly get recommended these videos periodically and decided to watch this and just feel incredibly guilty because I feel like I contributed to this downfall of the channel so to speak. So bare with me, this is a pretty nutty story. Way back when James and Mike were indeed outsourcing their videos to a production company that now goes by Macintyre I believe. Anyway the dude in charge was a guy by the name of Andy. Around the time where Mike was doing his videos on Cinemassacre he had decided to do a review on all the 3D Spider-Man games. These reviews however were assisted by this production company and (surprise surprise) were plagiarized not only in just the writing but the actual footage being used for the reviews of which several were my own from my videos that they used, repurposed and edited to make seem like their own. So, here I am a lowly little RUclips channel having my words paraphrased and footage stolen angry that this massive channel that makes money hand over fist is screwing the guy who can barely rub two penny’s together on this platform. I got upset and called Mike out on Twitter and even tagged Pat Contri since he had a podcast and would cover stuff like this and plus, being close to James so I figure something would make it’s way over to someone eventually. Mike and Andy then BOTH DM’d me on Twitter with Mike really pushing for me to take the tweet down as he “hated drama” and Andy being apologetic about the theft. After some back and forth, Mike would fire the production company, put (my old) RUclips name in the description as a “thanks” for use of footage and seemingly thought we were squared. It’s a weird chain of events that led to Screenwave.
@@RedCowArcade the entire thing was just bizarre. And Mike himself was kind of weird about it too. He threw his production company under the bus even though he admitted he had written some of it, still wouldn’t even give me a writing credit, or properly acknowledge what of mine was actually used considering they stole from 2 of my reviews. He thought that a twitch shout out and a description notation was enough which I was just like whatever about at that point. Not like I wanted money but like AT LEAST acknowledge how absolutely screwed up it is and make it right by that person. Putting something in the description of your RUclips video which no one reads is hardly making things square. Makes you wonder what else they’ve been taking from folks.
It's awful that that happened to you. But I'm going to be frank. You deserve a lot more than a simple thanks. They should have contacted you directly and figured out some sort of financial compensation as well as a credit (not just a thanks). Plus an announcement and owning up to our publicly. It just sounds like they wanted to sweep this under the rug and keep screwing you over in the process. I've had content stolen too (and it's why I don't RUclips any more and my stuff is all private). It sucks and sometimes there's no good solutions. But never lose sight of the fact that what you do has value. Don't let someone take that from you.
Franky's theory isn't too far off from the truth. To my understanding, the whole screenwave thing REALLY started around the time the AVGN movie went into production and Mike was put in charge of cinemassacre. James was able to use that precious 'time' to complete his movie. Having experienced how much time he saved, Mike somehow got in touch with Ryan, and started the Mike and Ryan vids. Then it snowballed as Ryan suggested screenwave to Mike, then Mike suggested screenwave to James, and that was that.
"Nerd pulling his hair out in rage" skit to cover-up his real life baldness would be a pretty clever and self-aware joke, James might actually put something like that in an AVGN episode. But it's Bimmy we're talking about here
I think the biggest issue is that James isn't aggressive/confrontational enough and has been a little too hands off as he tries to juggle his family responsibilities as well However, I think James is a genuinely good guy and just unfortunately doesn't surround himself with the best people
Yes lol I just watced that video yesterday of Kieran talking about all that stuff. I was hoping you guys would discuss it and next morning it's here. Thanks guys I always look forward to these
Its funny you brought up the hair, i was pondering that myself. his only option to fix it involves time travel and convincing his past self to just wear a hat, or beanie idk. its a lesson to current talent if you intend on beating a dead horse of a character for 10 plus years, just put a hat on, just put a hat on guy A. its cold outside B. like 60% of men go bald u gonna beat those odds. Love your guys content
i fuck with kieran and tony... never understood why they canceled rental reviews, the show averaged like 250k views during the first week or so. they just had to watch a movie and talk about it. they (i think justin) said it was underperforming which i take as "how can we do even less work?"
I really like this high class Keemstar format of Frankie and EJ just giving commentary on interesting stuff that's happening in the creator space. I could watch this all day.
Mostly Frankie. I love how incredibly introspective he is with his responses. Unlike that prototypical neckbeard you will find it every Warhammer 40K tabletop game.
Oh man, that intro with the belching - idk that I've ever laughed or replayed a section of a video more times. EJ had me dying when he started laughing it up.
It really seems like James Rolfe just gave all the creative control to Justin Silverman. Justin, created screen wave with a bunch of his friends Kieran Newt and Jack the movies. I think because Justin who was somewhat moderately successful running silvermania with these people he thought they could take up more professional work with AVGN
I was hoping i was praying and it become real another AVGN expanded universe RCA take . i watch all yours AVGN/few more vids so many times i just love your humor and you two daddy slobs.
I can't believe that these guys blew so much money on a table. They could have just gone to home depot or Walmart. And bought a decent nice table for at least $200.😂😂😂😂 And good job on the avgn videos
I think a good example of something carrying on without the people that made it what it is, is a band that no longer has or only has 1 real member left. Take the band YES for example, only Steve Howe really counts, the other members are hired guns or their former techs. It's essentially an imitation or in the case of a band, a cover band that managed to get the actual brand name and logo.
It's crazy to think that the Famicom started out with single screen arcade goofs like Milk and Nuts and ended up with titles like SMB 3 and Power Blade.
Only one plagiarized video was made available on RUclips, but a second video, Bad Taste, was temporarily available a day early on the Cinemassacre Odysee channel, which I was able to watch before it was taken down. This is why James' apology video is a lie. He only apologized for the one video, and Justin was going around acting like it was just one video too, despite at least 2 videos having been publicly available and exposed. To this day, many people still make statements as if only one plagiarized video was ever released, but it's not true.
It seems like Kieran has now quit completly. His patreon page is gone, his recent videos are gone and he doesn't seem to stream anymore. But at least his 'Fast Car'-song is still there 👍
How much would AVGN be making a year to justify not having a real job? I assume he must be the housewife in his marriage because he should be able to go through the motions and never use “time” as an excuse for the decade length problem of quality control. It’s not like these guys are making long features editing six miles of film.
At the end of this video you should have added "The Caveman Kieran will return" Also, "What else can we do to destroy a game?" how about for Earthworm Jim you just cover it in Earthworms and CGI them eating the game
funny thing is that there are youtubers who are using an Ai program to mimick James's voice with the review of old games that these guys wrote...and it all comes up very, VERY good, better than the real thing
i honestly love Kieran he reminds me so much of some of the dudes i use to work with in Portland Or , i really hope he can take a joke because this shit IS really funny and even though he is awkward as hell he seems genuine.
You sound like and abusive partner, and its cracking me up. "I didn't want to make this video. I didn't want to have to do this. YOU MAKE ME DO THIS! YOU MAKE ME HURT YOU AVGN!".
Not to big up the Red Cow Boys too much (Big Frankie Fan BTW) but I think Kieran's reluctance to come on is because he knows hes outgunned intellectually. Not saying Frankie or EJ are mega geniuses but I think he may feel intimidated by people who are way more natural screen presences and articulate speakers. I don't see why else he wouldnt given that he clearly wants to keep talking about this and Frankie and EJ are willing to give him a platform. Oh yeah, anyone else remember when Justin tried to curry favour with these dudes? And who are these podcasts?
I do think Frankie's quite clever; but I took Kieran saying he wouldn't go on RCA out of spite, because he sees that people are listening to them "off his name". Also he is aware due to the Truther subreddit loving them, RCA know too much. So he'd end up revealing more than he would like to, ya know? They'd politely push him towards clarifying stuff Cinemassacre/SW don't want out there. It's a shame but sure as EJ pointed out, he recommends Kieran not going on the pod 😂
@OSW Review HD That's a very good point. I guess what frustrates me is the way Kieran is making the situation seem to his viewers when the reality is Frankie and EJ have been been very fair about the whole situation. If he watched their takes himself and was saying all this, I'd say fair enough but he's just going off of video titles and hearsay. If he doesn't want to discuss the situation with anyone outside of his following, that's his perogative but he's mostly making himself look bad by going on these rambles when a polite, concise chat with RCA might be enough to answer all these questions in a slightly more sober manner.
@@muttley3050 ha ha, yeah! This is almost the worst way to go about it, rant and then hide it, and tell people you don't want to talk about it, while ranting for another hour. For Kieran's sake I'd hope he gets a nice job away from the public so he can get better paid and none of the stress of dealing with people like us 😂
I feel Kieran needs to unplug, get a job at like a local store of sorts stocking shelves or something and just take time away from the internet. Interact with local people, get moving around and stop fixating on this. Love your content, RC!
I watched a lot of rental reviews, that's when I realized how little James had to say. It I recall correctly in the True Lies episode I remember getting the impression that he hardly knows what's going on and just didn't get it, and feeling strange about his lack of interest. I initially didn't dislike the slobs, assuming they were his friends. Kieran seems fine.
Never thought about it but your video format does really make a difference...good video. New fan here, since your Kevin Smith/TESD video. Good stuff fellas!
Newt insinuates on a couple of his live streams a few months ago that Screenwave start pounding him with work because the other slobs were either too incompetent or they (meaning Keiran) was too drunk on the job to do anything lol...of course the truth is somewhere in the middle
Plagiarism aside, Newt is absolutely insufferable. I quit watching Tony's channel solely because of Newt. I think they eventually stopped putting him on camera because his drunken derailments ruined the show, but still, too little too late for me.
“I’m done talking about it,” he said, before talking about it for another thirty minutes.
It feels like we're in a secret club because we're commenting on this before its been publicly listed
The red cows still got milk.
I just want to say thank you to Kieran for CONSTANTLY talking about it!
Big Ryan is a pretty successful con man. I don’t know how you can go from being someone’s personal Geek Squad to literally owning and operating their entire livelihood.
The power of electrons
Yet you come back, each and every time.
@@RedCowArcade It's fascinating. The stories behind Cinemassacre are far more entertaining than anything they've put out over the past few years.
He's a member of the tribe, and on top of that, he has force electron powers. James never stood a chance.
Big Ryan’s parents gave him a small loan of $1 million. And he used that money to make…more (???) money???
Love how the difference between modern AVGN and Nostalgia Critic is that one is clearly a broken man who lost his passion far too many years ago due to the failure of his epic hollywood attempt but can't stop because he doesn't know how to do anything else, while the other man was broken from the very start and can't stop because he's actually in love with the insane things he does.
That's the most accurate description of Doug I've ever read.
@@Theosake Same reason people watch James - for the cringe and the memes. Difference is Doug has embraced it.
@@TheosakeYeah, everything after he initially dropped Nostalgia Critic and was forced back into doing it feels like garbage. At least AVGN kept the quality up relatively higher long after, still.
Doug clearly still has the passion (and the time) for the shit he does. Bames acts and looks like he's on a life support machine
But strangely enough Bames' videos get way more views (1+mil) than Doug's (not even 500k), guess AVGN brand still can be milked for years, whatever the quality of the content is
@@davistoa His older stuff is not that great either aside from a few videos, it's just that he had better bad movies to riff.
Keiran didn't rage quit. He abruptly left while angry.
Yeah he's a crybaby bozo
It was more of an inflamed resignation.
I laughed at this longer than i probably should have
Ah yeah, angry leaving. Totally different from rage quitting.
@@JodyBruchon that was the joke, buddy 🤦
I love Frankie's idea of how to incorporate James's aging into the AVGN episodes. Absolutely brilliant
At some point they have to address it, I mean Bimmy looks more like George Costanza than AVGN now.
@@BSzili Clarence Boddicker.
@@maxxdahl6062 "Bitches, leave."
*The Slobs reluctantly begin shuffling towards the door.
@@werdna_sir "Newt are you going to call me?"
@@werdna_sir That'd be the most HILAROUS way to rid AVGN of the slobwave era
The funniest thing is when somebody says “I didn’t watch the video”, and proceeds to respond, to the video!
You guys should really do an in-depth review of the AVGN movie.
I agree.
Agreed
Do an in depth review of his hairline over the years!
@@boozalm3715 😂😂😂😂
i'd buy that for a dollar
The "Mike and Bootsy" videos were the best, I looked forward every time for those. You had mike, you're more real angry gamer, then bootsy with his zen personality and a really great gamer. It was just fun.
Too bad Mike and Bootsy didn't like each other, or at least Mike didn't like Bootsy. Whole reason Bootsy left.
I'm shocked that series is still up on RUclips along with the single episode of Bootsy Beats lol. I backed them all up to a hard drive years ago after I heard what happened between him & Mike because I had a feeling they would delete them.
@@lordkardok666 That's what I heard too... Mike is like the jealous type
Bootsy is a legendary gamer. Easily beats games thought to be impossible by most. Truly a mythical figure 👌
@@markus7166 Probably why Mike is Gel... Lol
I would just quit my job if I had an evaluation by "Big Ryan".
Man, I love the fact that you critiqued Pat's podcast. He is so smug and his cohost is a cynical fuck. I get mad just thinking about that guy.
You have not been properly doing the electron spreadsheets!
Not a Big Ryan fan btw?
"Your performance has not been very hiyah this quarter"
big Ryan fan btw
I think the “rental reviews” show had a lot of potential. Albeit, the format was a bit disorganized, and they had too many chefs in the kitchen, but that set was incredible.
The set was amazing and it had potential. The problem was it just randomly showed up one day and people were like who are these slobs and why do we care about their poorly put together opinions 😂 if the execution was better and they eased the slobs in it would have worked much better
@@dougradtke Too many fat people, I agree. I ain't watching that.
i honestly liked rental reviews when they were talking about a film i was intimately familiar with but that's about it sadly
Yeah the set was admittedly great. My main problem with the show was how none of them seemed to know much about cinema. It's been a while since I watched any episodes, but I recall their discussions being mostly superficial and surface level. I'm pretty sure there were even entire episodes where the name of the director of whatever film being discussed wasn't even mentioned.
And James, bless him, barely said anything substantive at all. I remember thinking after a few episodes, "James really does not know cinema history all that well..."
He seems to know a bit about his niche interests (golden age horror, for instance), but judging from his appearances on "Rental Reviews"...he doesn't know about much else.
@@mcnultyssobercompanion6372 yeah…yep…mmm-hmm
Its a bit ironic that james and kiernan have been sucked into only doing AVGN content because it gets views, and now red cow arcade is being forced to do AVGN content because it gets views
I was thinking that exact thing.
Atleast they make their own content.
@@AspiePilo82 Is bitching about cinemassacre for clicks really making their own content?
what is red cow arcade?
@brandogg is complaining about video games from the 80s content? Everybody goes all in when it's AVGN shitting on games, but God forbid somebody makes a joke about precious Bimmy
The future of The Simpsons is secure now that we found a new belch for Barney.
😂😂😂😂
Until Barney gets the Apu treatment for being a negative stereotype of alcoholics, anyway...
I don’t know where else I’d be able to state this so I’ll put it here. James has made errors in the past so it’s not a big deal. I noticed that the Earthworm Jim episode was written by James-or at least it said it was written by James-but there was a small nitpick I have. He says Evil the Cat in the background gives him devil from Fantasia vibes and then mentions the music. He says it’s Ride of the Valkyries, when it’s actually Night on Bald Mountain, which was actually in Fantasia.
Edit: I’m not a truther and I only bring it up since I finally watched that episode and realized it was post-Kieran. And like I mentioned before, just a small nitpick.
Bimmy didn't want to say either bald or mowtan. Understandable.
Damn, sorry dude. I feel like Chris Bores now.
Dude way to overanalyze. You creep me out
@@shaneiacinsaniacBAWLD MOWDEN 😂
Been a Cinemassacre/AVGN fan since day 1 and had no idea of any drama up until Kieran quit, they all seemed like a bunch of cool dudes. I met and hung out with James at an event once and he was the most nice and chill guy! Seeing all these videos and comments are interesting though, goes to show no youtube channel is safe after all lol
"I don't want to talk about this anymore"
*While he wears an AVGN shirt
I'm glad someone else said this, that was the first thing I noticed too.
So let me get this straight: Mike and james made a lot more money and made about 2 videos a month, they decided to outsource which gave everybody less money cause they had to pay more people, and now they down to making 4 videos a year...wat has happened to cinemassacre??
From what I know Mike and James had Bootsy and Kyle Justin basically working for free. I'm guessing they started outsourcing when those two left the site.
Autism
@@RockoEstalon James hasn't used Kyle's original AVGN theme in a while...I don't think he can without compensating or crediting Kyle though
@@JamesJohnson-tr1gu Kyle also did other work too like make the sets.
@Mud Kip which he probably didn't get payed for, or not enough..From wat i read: bootsy and kyle left cause of money disputes or disagreements or cause of a falling out..
As for mike leaving: this is just my theory, it wasn't cause he was overworked, it was cause james wanted to focus on music and other projects, that mike didn't want to be involved in as he is just a gamer...If he was truly overworked why would he still be streaming weekly content and in his free time still be helping james with editing his videos...
No guys, kiren totally didn't rage quit. He just quitted while in rage. Totally different. 😂😂😂
the rage quitted from him
He just left very frustrated. 😂
Don’t really follow what’s going on with cinemassacre much anymore, but I always look forward to you guys talking about them😂👍
Yep same here I stopped watching AVGN years ago but it's fun hearing these guys talk about it.
that’s pretty much everyone here or in cinemassacre truth.
Same, fkn, here! Haha
Hadnt watch CM for a while, and when i started watching again these screenwave media bozos were on screen, so i stopped watching again. 😂
I stopped watching Cinemassacre years ago but never followed any behind the scenes stuff. I only just found this. Is there a good video or videos that can catch me up?
Their subreddit is hilarious
I really respect Tarantino's choice to retire relatively early.
That generation of filmmakers, Tarantino, Kevin Smith, Robert Rodriguez, Jarmusch, a big part of their appeal is that they were like your nerdy friends who finally got a chance to make those movies they were always talking about. But past a certain point, you've been an out of touch millionaire for a lot longer than you were a broke film nerd, and then it's either talk down to your audience, or make something that they can't possibly relate to.
The belching woman sounded far more obnoxious than Kieran himself.
Kieran says some stupid stuff, but I think he's just a big harmless dork.
Until he stabs the garbage out of you!
@@polsdofer Yeah that was the primary stupid thing I was referring to. I think he's just an edgelord that wants to sound tough.
I haven't watched the full Kieran video, but the clips Frankie showed give real "Mike White and Sarah Silverman in School of Rock" energy.
Tony said in one of the last Hack the Movie videos before Newt got canned that "Newt literally writes EVERYTHING we say on Screenwave"
Keiren was the best "slob" of all, i hate to hear him and Newt have beef.
One time Tony was gonna be on Shark Exorcist 2 and kept talking about it right up until Newt was fired. Then right when Newt was gone he announced he was NOT gonna be on Shark Exorcist 2, in the comments i asked if it was because Newt was writing it and the fallout.
the HTM channel replied something like " yeah Newt "wrote" (in parenthesis) a lot of things, but we couldnt be sure he wrote any of it, so we had ourselves removed from it."
but really the Mike and Ryan show was a great series they had. but if Ryan, Newt, Tony, and Kiern could work together (not all at once, cause they do clash) independent of pushing the AVGN "brand" they could do some interesting stuff.
James is best when he's like "Cabinet of Dr. Caligari is 100 years old today, lets talk about how great and innovative that film was" Stuff like that, when he talks from the heart, is peak James.... even the corny Rocky 4 mouden, he is having fun not pushing content.
i wish all those Justin/AVGN/Cinemassacre/ Mike and Erin/ Tony ..... whoever.... would take turns coming to your channel for interviews to set the story straight. even James himself...
i dont know why but i find this stuff fascinating
I loved that Cave video he did. That was pure James and his strong suit. Last thing I genuinely enjoyed on the channel.
@@Gatorade69 he does stuff like that, and his cartoon tv or movie retrospectives with more care and passion these days than he does with AVGN
At first when Newt left HTM I was kinda sad. But the quality of the show since his departure has only increased. He was a drag on the videos looking back now.
@@senvivaviro it did, but the show has become formulaic and kind of boring lately, and Newt is doing pretty well for himself now...multiple movie screenplays sold, multiple roles in films, he recently directed a movie, doing a comic strip, RUclips, still helping at the theaters...he's bounced back okay
@@JamesJohnson-tr1gu agreed. i've all but quit watching HTM, even if it's the closest thing to Rental Reviews left. Newt's channel on the other hand is killing it for me, SchlockAndAwe keeps bringing me interesting things, Tony's chanel has just gotten more and more formulaic, and trying to ride the almighty YT algorithm. i will still catch an ep that covers something i really care about and/or if Kristal Quinn is on there though, but that's the only way.
so newt set the record straight on one of his streams. Ryan said the monster madness scripts sounded too much like newt and needed re-writes. he gave notes last minute, no one checked the work absolutly zero qa is happening then then scandal happened.
He says he also had to rewrite his AVGN roast speech because he made fun of James being Autistic, when he didn't know James was actually autistic lol
@@JamesJohnson-tr1gu "Now I feel bad, I feel like I picked on a ret*rd or something, like 'what are you, ret*rded? Oh. I'm sorry.'"
- AVGN
@@JamesJohnson-tr1gu yeah they told him like an hour before they were going to film it too I believe..
@@joedorer8867 They told him at 4:40. That's not enough time!
None of the justification they've made is valid. You can't just copy and paste other people's analysis into your work and then have the plan of going back and re-wording it. Re-wording is still plagiarism. They act as if the accident was forgetting to re-word things, but the crime is that they copied other reviews to begin with with the plan to not only plagiarize but to hide their plagiarism by modifying words.
The burp left Junt confused, yet interested
y’all don’t kno how much i look forward to these avgn videos 🤣
Your pfp with that name 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
"Caveman not understand once video broadcast on web world wide it exist forever? Caveman don't want to talk about Slobwave, so Caveman record TWO livestreams within weeks each other talking about Slobwave. How social media do work?! Grunt!"
😂
I'm a person who was on the cinemassacre truth way back before it blew up. Back then, the people that were there, really cared about cinemassacre and wanted it to improve. Of course we made fun of it, but it wasn't just about that. I've since abandoned the group, because of what it became. There are a ton of people there that never wanted Cinemassacre to get better, they just want to trash it over and over again.
The saddest part about all this shit with Screenwave is that James had a guy at the helm who hated his job, and the team of people he worked for. If you he smart, he would have tapped into the fandom. There were a lot of smart/funny people who loved him and would have passionately contributed.
Instead, it's been the blind leading the blind, and we now know that the entire team that screenwave is completely inept. What a waste.
I'm not sure I'd go so far as to call our channel successful.
Cinemassacre Truth started long before Screenwave ever came in and the show was still good. It started because Mike kept kicking people off the regular "official" Cinemassacre sub. That's when all the memes about him having a giant dong were going around and he'd ban anyone who made them, THEN he posted a photo of his wiener to "shut everybody up" yet continued to ban anyone who talked about THAT. That's why the mod's leaked their private chats with him because even they were getting fed up with him. We were forced to make a new sub to even be allowed to talk about anything, you'd get banned for even saying Bootsy's name in the regular sub. The overall decline of the channel started long after Cinemassacre Truth had been established
@@RedCowArcade who said it was?
Same. I went to the truth subreddit because you could discuss episodes more freely without getting banned for doing genuine criticism of the show but it's just mean spirited posting against James, those tired "cuck" memes from /tv/ and dunking on every video analysis about AVGN that doesn't conclude in calling James an asshole or something.
I too want cinemssacre to do well but I’m also enthralled at looking at what it has become. It is sad in a way, because James had a very successful “brand” and image he could have had continued success I think. Sure, he would have to probably pívot on the angry nerd stuff, maybe evolve the character to something more in line with his older audience, but it wouldn’t have been too difficult. The truth was though, as weird as Mike is/was it seems like he was knowledgeable one on keeping the show going. James has made poor decision after poor decision on his own.
Has Kieran or someone else talked about how much trimming they did for their podcast? Like how much of the deleted stuff was just "Yep... MhmmmMMmm... Yeeeeeah... Yep!"?
Yep. Mhm.
@@sikkableeat5614 good memories all around
Both Red Cow and RedLetterMedia reminding me of the Fine Brothers reaction debacle in the same week was a funny coincidence
I’ve tried watching Kieran’s stream and his girlfriend is constantly in the background with commentary. It’s pretty annoying.
Dude, at this point, i think I'd rather see Kieran guest on the podcast than just about anyone. Even, say, Steven Spielberg or Sylvester Stallone.
@mrheck5215 - That AOL Zorro fan story is still one of my favorite James stories. That tickled me way more than 5:40 or "Five Of 'Em!!!" lol.
@@nkw1985 That was, indeed, pretty much the best possible reply to my comment. I laughed out loud.
Is Sly aware of how you feel?
@@AnneHathawayRules He is _very_ aware!
6:07 even Tommy Tallarico is looking at this table saying "I think this might be an unnecessary expense".
25K dollar table? Junt would faint at the very thought. Big Junt fan btw.
I would be nervous as shit to sit at that table
"If you look around, you can find a table with a dent for maybe twelve,five....saving half your table budget" - JUNT GPT
@@struttux5156 I would have to snort blow to even fathom a table with such grandiose prices
If I'm being completely honest as rotten as it is to focus on James' hairline, it's literally all I can do. It's like he gets his hair cut in the oddest, most distracting way possible
What he is doing is like trying to plant vegetables in chernobyl.
He's going for that dying of Cancer look.
His hair is trying to hide so it doesn't have to watch the episodes.
Same. Idk if he would get more or less guff if he adopted a wig or hairpiece for the nerd episodes. At least I know I wouldn't stare at it as much
just another notch in the weird decision making of James R. ...... eventually he'll pull a doug walker and shave his head
Oh wow you guys got Keiran on that’s really cool I always liked him the most out of the Rental Review guys
I randomly get recommended these videos periodically and decided to watch this and just feel incredibly guilty because I feel like I contributed to this downfall of the channel so to speak. So bare with me, this is a pretty nutty story.
Way back when James and Mike were indeed outsourcing their videos to a production company that now goes by Macintyre I believe. Anyway the dude in charge was a guy by the name of Andy. Around the time where Mike was doing his videos on Cinemassacre he had decided to do a review on all the 3D Spider-Man games. These reviews however were assisted by this production company and (surprise surprise) were plagiarized not only in just the writing but the actual footage being used for the reviews of which several were my own from my videos that they used, repurposed and edited to make seem like their own.
So, here I am a lowly little RUclips channel having my words paraphrased and footage stolen angry that this massive channel that makes money hand over fist is screwing the guy who can barely rub two penny’s together on this platform. I got upset and called Mike out on Twitter and even tagged Pat Contri since he had a podcast and would cover stuff like this and plus, being close to James so I figure something would make it’s way over to someone eventually.
Mike and Andy then BOTH DM’d me on Twitter with Mike really pushing for me to take the tweet down as he “hated drama” and Andy being apologetic about the theft. After some back and forth, Mike would fire the production company, put (my old) RUclips name in the description as a “thanks” for use of footage and seemingly thought we were squared.
It’s a weird chain of events that led to Screenwave.
Fascinating. It’s like there’s no escape from this cycle of shit.
@@RedCowArcade the entire thing was just bizarre. And Mike himself was kind of weird about it too. He threw his production company under the bus even though he admitted he had written some of it, still wouldn’t even give me a writing credit, or properly acknowledge what of mine was actually used considering they stole from 2 of my reviews. He thought that a twitch shout out and a description notation was enough which I was just like whatever about at that point. Not like I wanted money but like AT LEAST acknowledge how absolutely screwed up it is and make it right by that person. Putting something in the description of your RUclips video which no one reads is hardly making things square. Makes you wonder what else they’ve been taking from folks.
It's awful that that happened to you. But I'm going to be frank. You deserve a lot more than a simple thanks. They should have contacted you directly and figured out some sort of financial compensation as well as a credit (not just a thanks). Plus an announcement and owning up to our publicly. It just sounds like they wanted to sweep this under the rug and keep screwing you over in the process.
I've had content stolen too (and it's why I don't RUclips any more and my stuff is all private). It sucks and sometimes there's no good solutions. But never lose sight of the fact that what you do has value. Don't let someone take that from you.
james looks like round 2 Don Flamenco nowadays. missing the patch of hair up front.
Kieran’s went from Red Cow to Lol Cow.
Kieran's what?
Franky's theory isn't too far off from the truth. To my understanding, the whole screenwave thing REALLY started around the time the AVGN movie went into production and Mike was put in charge of cinemassacre. James was able to use that precious 'time' to complete his movie. Having experienced how much time he saved, Mike somehow got in touch with Ryan, and started the Mike and Ryan vids. Then it snowballed as Ryan suggested screenwave to Mike, then Mike suggested screenwave to James, and that was that.
"Nerd pulling his hair out in rage" skit to cover-up his real life baldness would be a pretty clever and self-aware joke, James might actually put something like that in an AVGN episode.
But it's Bimmy we're talking about here
I said that for him years ago, it FITS WITH HIS CHARACTER!
It would fit with an evolution from a younger angry nerd to an older more cynical grumpy nerd
Why is he called bimmy?
@@luvbug839 from the double dragon 3 episode he did where there's an writing error calling Jimmy Lee "Bimmy"
@@luvbug839 Take a wild guess.
I think the biggest issue is that James isn't aggressive/confrontational enough and has been a little too hands off as he tries to juggle his family responsibilities as well
However, I think James is a genuinely good guy and just unfortunately doesn't surround himself with the best people
Agreed, he seems way too passive about his life and career, like he's resigned himself to the backseat of his own operation.
James is terrified of his wife
Autistic people normally get taken advantage of sadly
@@Metal-Gear-Moogle He's Been with April since 2006.
@@Tornado1994 ok
Me normally: "Man I hate e-drama"
When I see a new clip of yours pop up about cinemassacre: 👀
Yes lol I just watced that video yesterday of Kieran talking about all that stuff. I was hoping you guys would discuss it and next morning it's here. Thanks guys I always look forward to these
Its funny you brought up the hair, i was pondering that myself. his only option to fix it involves time travel and convincing his past self to just wear a hat, or beanie idk. its a lesson to current talent if you intend on beating a dead horse of a character for 10 plus years, just put a hat on, just put a hat on guy A. its cold outside B. like 60% of men go bald u gonna beat those odds. Love your guys content
if Mike ever appears on this podcast I will shit. in. my. pants.
Just thinking about that gives me explosive diarrhea farts
great thing about this stream is seeing the Kieran impression morph into Xavier Renegade Angel
"Kieran got all fat and screenwave" 😂😂😂
I'm subscribing on the strength of that line alone.
I find it ironic for the slob to talk especially when we saw how obsessed he was in the podcasts to hold the spotlight all the time.
He probably had well scratch that he DEFINITELY had some liquid courage in him
That happens when you drink.
Frankies "Surfer dude" impression just sounds Australian
That ending with Mike had me on the floor. hahaha
i fuck with kieran and tony...
never understood why they canceled rental reviews, the show averaged like 250k views during the first week or so. they just had to watch a movie and talk about it. they (i think justin) said it was underperforming which i take as "how can we do even less work?"
29:18 homey appreciates muppets on such a deep level
It’s true
Rental Reviews was too much like Half in the Bag but minus the RLM guys’ charm and genuine hilarity
I really like this high class Keemstar format of Frankie and EJ just giving commentary on interesting stuff that's happening in the creator space. I could watch this all day.
Same! Frankie and EJ are really good at it!
Mostly Frankie. I love how incredibly introspective he is with his responses. Unlike that prototypical neckbeard you will find it every Warhammer 40K tabletop game.
I only watch the clips occasionally, Frankie is very quick and charismatic, and EJ is also there, too, which is nice.
Oh man, that intro with the belching - idk that I've ever laughed or replayed a section of a video more times. EJ had me dying when he started laughing it up.
I laughed so hard I started coughing like crazy
@@AntiKipKay I laughed so hard, I belched!
@@Deadguy2322forreal HAHA
Omg it’s even funnier too when they slow down the belch … Could not stop laughing 😂
Yeah its not that funny. Especially to the degree you guys are lying about.
I know you didn’t want to make this video, and I didn’t want to watch it either, but here we are….and I couldn’t be happier
It really seems like James Rolfe just gave all the creative control to Justin Silverman. Justin, created screen wave with a bunch of his friends Kieran Newt and Jack the movies. I think because Justin who was somewhat moderately successful running silvermania with these people he thought they could take up more professional work with AVGN
I was hoping i was praying and it become real another AVGN expanded universe RCA take . i watch all yours AVGN/few more vids so many times i just love your humor and you two daddy slobs.
I didn't know Kieran's mom was Howard Wolowitzs mom from big bang theory too
I can't believe that these guys blew so much money on a table. They could have just gone to home depot or Walmart. And bought a decent nice table for at least $200.😂😂😂😂 And good job on the avgn videos
$2500 just so James could sit at the end of the table with his feet at 90 degree angles
@@JamesJohnson-tr1gu 😆😆😆
@@JamesJohnson-tr1gu Duck feet
a $200 one wouldn't support justin though.
@@JamesJohnson-tr1gu $25,000 that is
Kieran showing his caveman genes 1:01 1:02
I think a good example of something carrying on without the people that made it what it is, is a band that no longer has or only has 1 real member left. Take the band YES for example, only Steve Howe really counts, the other members are hired guns or their former techs. It's essentially an imitation or in the case of a band, a cover band that managed to get the actual brand name and logo.
It's crazy to think that the Famicom started out with single screen arcade goofs like Milk and Nuts and ended up with titles like SMB 3 and Power Blade.
The Famicom/NES was only able to make those leaps due to the mapper chips. Some of the MMC5 games are running more on the cartridge than the console!
I don't even remember what these goofs were talking about. But the point remains the same. And yes I am aware of the mappers.
Only one plagiarized video was made available on RUclips, but a second video, Bad Taste, was temporarily available a day early on the Cinemassacre Odysee channel, which I was able to watch before it was taken down. This is why James' apology video is a lie. He only apologized for the one video, and Justin was going around acting like it was just one video too, despite at least 2 videos having been publicly available and exposed. To this day, many people still make statements as if only one plagiarized video was ever released, but it's not true.
I was not prepared for the final 20 sec!
Board James era was top tier I think the movie flopping caused james to lose a lot of passion.
This video took about 1 minute to have me laughing out loud
It seems like Kieran has now quit completly. His patreon page is gone, his recent videos are gone and he doesn't seem to stream anymore. But at least his 'Fast Car'-song is still there 👍
That praise for Doug is so based. Totally agree about his shot composition and rhythmic editing.
How much would AVGN be making a year to justify not having a real job? I assume he must be the housewife in his marriage because he should be able to go through the motions and never use “time” as an excuse for the decade length problem of quality control. It’s not like these guys are making long features editing six miles of film.
his vids brought in a ton of cash and he probs invested it well,paid for the house etc
Getting mutilated by the corner of the desk LOL
That stupid line and his clown feet sideways had me rollin 😂
Shitting on screenwave all the while wearing an avgn hoodie….. amazing
After that long edit of not wanting to talk about it... "Man, I don't know what to talk about now." 😂😂😂😂
Chef's kiss
Whenever I'm down. I just go back to the "Belching girlfriend" moment. I cry with laughter everytime. X'D
All I known about this AVGN comes from you. I’m also fat and sassy
The ideas for AVGN about 25 minutes in sound really cool, in fact, maybe even an idea for a real series finale.
At the end of this video you should have added "The Caveman Kieran will return"
Also, "What else can we do to destroy a game?" how about for Earthworm Jim you just cover it in Earthworms and CGI them eating the game
The mike thing at the end, made me literally, laugh, out, loud. Holy fuck. 😅😂
funny thing is that there are youtubers who are using an Ai program to mimick James's voice with the review of old games that these guys wrote...and it all comes up very, VERY good, better than the real thing
Whaaaaaat
What is the channel name ?
26:35 I'm pretty sure they did a shitpost with this scene some time ago.
i honestly love Kieran he reminds me so much of some of the dudes i use to work with in Portland Or , i really hope he can take a joke because this shit IS really funny and even though he is awkward as hell he seems genuine.
He can't take a joke for shit...... That's his big problem..
He can't take a joke. If he could, he wouldn't be so mad.
@@themonsterunderyourbed9408 that is fair
1:00 - Holy crap, that's funny!
Respect for Kieran way up here to be honest. I hope he figures shit out.
I have fond memories this game. - Bimmy 2023 -
I think Doug Walker is lucky for shaving his head because his character always wears a hat. But he did joke a lot about being bold.
Doug didn't shave his Head. He went COMPLETELY bald in early 2017 due to Grief from his Mother's passing.
@@Tornado1994 He went bald in mid 2017 (when the Norm of the North review was made was when the first time he became bald). Mis mom passed in 2016.
You sound like and abusive partner, and its cracking me up. "I didn't want to make this video. I didn't want to have to do this. YOU MAKE ME DO THIS! YOU MAKE ME HURT YOU AVGN!".
AVGN brings me here
Rental Reviews was so good but I’m glad Tony continued the format (more or less) with Hack The Movies.
JMM ended because Mike quit being involved in anything for a bit. Now he's just doing game play.
Not to big up the Red Cow Boys too much (Big Frankie Fan BTW) but I think Kieran's reluctance to come on is because he knows hes outgunned intellectually. Not saying Frankie or EJ are mega geniuses but I think he may feel intimidated by people who are way more natural screen presences and articulate speakers. I don't see why else he wouldnt given that he clearly wants to keep talking about this and Frankie and EJ are willing to give him a platform.
Oh yeah, anyone else remember when Justin tried to curry favour with these dudes? And who are these podcasts?
I do think Frankie's quite clever; but I took Kieran saying he wouldn't go on RCA out of spite, because he sees that people are listening to them "off his name". Also he is aware due to the Truther subreddit loving them, RCA know too much. So he'd end up revealing more than he would like to, ya know? They'd politely push him towards clarifying stuff Cinemassacre/SW don't want out there.
It's a shame but sure as EJ pointed out, he recommends Kieran not going on the pod 😂
@OSW Review HD That's a very good point. I guess what frustrates me is the way Kieran is making the situation seem to his viewers when the reality is Frankie and EJ have been been very fair about the whole situation. If he watched their takes himself and was saying all this, I'd say fair enough but he's just going off of video titles and hearsay. If he doesn't want to discuss the situation with anyone outside of his following, that's his perogative but he's mostly making himself look bad by going on these rambles when a polite, concise chat with RCA might be enough to answer all these questions in a slightly more sober manner.
@@muttley3050 ha ha, yeah! This is almost the worst way to go about it, rant and then hide it, and tell people you don't want to talk about it, while ranting for another hour. For Kieran's sake I'd hope he gets a nice job away from the public so he can get better paid and none of the stress of dealing with people like us 😂
I feel Kieran needs to unplug, get a job at like a local store of sorts stocking shelves or something and just take time away from the internet. Interact with local people, get moving around and stop fixating on this.
Love your content, RC!
What’s in keiran’s cart?a belching girlfriend
worldwide privacy tour
I liked the podcast but Rental Reviews was great. They should have kept doing RR. Sounds like Ryan and Justin are horrific bosses.
Rental Reviews was the brainlet's Half in the Bag
I watched a lot of rental reviews, that's when I realized how little James had to say. It I recall correctly in the True Lies episode I remember getting the impression that he hardly knows what's going on and just didn't get it, and feeling strange about his lack of interest.
I initially didn't dislike the slobs, assuming they were his friends. Kieran seems fine.
Thank you so much for this, i hadnt seen or heard about it
Never thought about it but your video format does really make a difference...good video. New fan here, since your Kevin Smith/TESD video. Good stuff fellas!
I had to rewind parts of the video more than once because I zoned out trying to figure out what the hell is running on your MK2 cab.
Romhack, "Mario Ultimate"
I LIVE FOR RED COW AVGN CONTENT, I MAINLINE IT
Newt was not qualified to write for Bimmy, but is Bimmy even qualified now to write for Bimmy?
No time for qualification
@@struttux5156 Only time for THESE SHITTY GAMES!
Newt insinuates on a couple of his live streams a few months ago that Screenwave start pounding him with work because the other slobs were either too incompetent or they (meaning Keiran) was too drunk on the job to do anything lol...of course the truth is somewhere in the middle
Plagiarism aside, Newt is absolutely insufferable. I quit watching Tony's channel solely because of Newt. I think they eventually stopped putting him on camera because his drunken derailments ruined the show, but still, too little too late for me.