Breeding Long Fin Guppies, Can A Long Fin Male Be Used As A Breeder?
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- A word on Channel Memberships in the video. Plenty of us want to know can a long fin male impregnate a female when he is young or even as he matures. I answer it very quickly into the video! Long fins are called various things in other countries. The genetics Do serve a purpose in getting the particular line to look as great as it does.
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Thank you for watching! The video started to go too long so I didn't add the video of the grow out tank of the older RREA Red Albinos.
All Beauty's...I appreciate the time and care you put into your lines!! Here's a joke : why can't the 🐆 cheetah play hide and seek? Because he's always spotted!!! Happy Halloween ! Why didn't the skeleton cross the road? He didn't have the guts !! 😉
Thank you! Wow those jokes are better than mine are!
I was out fishing the lake the other day and I caught two mermaid, and one smelt.
Thank You! Ooooh that’s Good!!!
Two parrots are sitting on a perch. One says to the other, “Do you smell fish?” The other replies, “Yeah, I smelt it.”
@@lydialaub5475 thank you that’s good!!!
A Friend of mine cut the ribbon and manage to do it on his blue grass line
Thank you for watching! I have heard that from others recently too. I am not trying that, poor fish : )
Yay for unedited videos!
Cheers,
Chris
Thank you! Some day I'll figure out editing but it's probably over rated. : )
Doug your videos are awesome!!! Thanks for sharing with us.I just don't understand long fin/ ribbon fin guppies. More than likely I'm showing my guppy ignorance but I kind of feel like there defective fish. Every time I've had the opportunity to get some I've decided to pass. Maybe I should try to convince myself to reconsider.
Ed!!! I feel better knowing you were awake at some unreal hour! Life is normal again. The long fin females look very cool. Long fin males creep me out because I realize that they can never be used as a breeder so it's a waste. I will say that I believe that there are some traits in the long fin males and females that affects the dorsal size of the regular finned brothers & sisters.
I agree Ed. I've always thought that with the long fin males. They just seem pointless to me.
nice fish
Thank you!!
Life in Jars? sent me here, and I’m glad I found your channel. Beautiful guppies :)
Thank you for watching! Very kind of him, he has a cool channel!
O.o I didn't know these couldn't breed 😅 I've been keeping the long fin males alive cause I think theyre cool, and feeding the others to my frog 😂
(I breed guppies for fun, feed culls and extras to clawed frog so I don't overstock the tank.)
Thanks for watching! Those clawed frogs are so cool.
Nice guppies and that amazing full red on the viggie flake he amazing
Thank you & happy almost bday!!
Oh my Gosh D. GREY you helped me release my "good feeling hormones" just by listening today. Love your dry-wit. I am going " to save" this to listen everyday as I got a " hardy laugh" with this audio & your fast dry & not so dry "comedic relief". I needed it today as all of my female guppies made it & all 3 male guppies are doa. There tails got caught in the pointed bags. I am going to ask the Breeder to tape the corners to turn them square for the next batch. Enjoyed your jokes & dry wit today!---Lol! 🤣😆😂🤣
Forgot to add that "just to make clear" my fish were ordered by another Breeder that I have used in the past. Those females are tough in this 103° Heat.
Thank you very much that is so kind of you! Shippers should always double bag, place 1 bag inside the other which creates a rounded inside bag, with no corners.
Sorry it's so hot there. I hope the replacements make it ok.
Really nice looking fishes.
Thank you very much!
Omg Super beautiful Sir.
Outstanding guppies 😍😍😍😍😍
Thank you very much!! I'm hoping to get some fry from these older ones soon.
Swordtails and Platies by Dr. Herbert R. Axelrod and Mr. L. Wischnath has a brief mention about the long gonopodium issue. It may suggest that they had a solution but they did not share such information. I'll email you concerning my experience with this issue :)
Thank you Michael! I appreciate the info. I'm not going to turn into dr of guppy plastic surgery tho!
@@DGrey I should do the same with my albino line; I've been getting smaller batches lately. Until next video :)
Yes this video had the answer i was looking for. Thanks so much Doug. Beautiful guppies. They've colored up really nicely. If only i had nice ones like yours haha
Thank you very much! Wow, I had answers? I thought I just rambled again. : )
@@DGrey Even if you did it was enjoyable with your jokes😂😂
great video Doug. Amazing AB Full Red fish. Very cool of you to clarify for hobbyists that long fin mails cannot sire fry.
Thank you very much! I was very curious to see if the long fin males could be used before they fully grow. For explanation purposes it would have been better if there was 1 long fin male in the younger batch.
Beautiful color on these. Love the comparison to the refueling planes. I got a good giggle on that. Let me know when you start selling the veggie flake. I would love to get some from ya.
Thank you Lisa!! Will do. I forgot to mention that the females get a cool gull type of pec fin. I'll film the adults again in a future video. I have to look for some more bad jokes too.
@@DGrey I did see the big pec fins but forgot to mention it in my org comment. :)
@@LiSa.N.J It's kind of cool and I guess a 4th type of pec fin besides regular, dumbo and super duper dumbo.
@@DGrey I may post a video soon of my Mosaic super duper dumbo in a day or 2. I have 2 really nice young males coloring up and another male who everytime he sees me he displays for me. He wubs me. lol
@@LiSa.N.J That's great! Guppies with a betta personality.
Beautiful guppies!!
Thank you Sharron!
And I don't see myself doing livestream with "myself in it"... haha xD
Thank you! I kinda tossed that in there, old joke.
Well gosh darn it! I wish I had seen this before I found two long fin males at the pet store last week. They were labeled as Dumbos, and I paid $15 for two males. Guess I will not be having babies though.
Thank you for watching! Some people claim you can cut the gonopodium down and then use a long fin male as a breeder. I don't think that's true but I would never do it anyway.
When you buy a longfin trio from a reputable breeder they will send a regular fin male and 1 long fin female & 1 regular fin female.
Stores probably just get whatever they can get from the wholesaler.
Great video! Nice looking fish👍. As far as you tube, keep on keeping it simple. Happy Halloween😁
Thank you very much Diane! We are headed 600mph towards Christmas now that it's November 1st.
Nice looking long fin. Good thing you got at least one that you can use for breeding. That male on the fish food package does look awesome. Keep up the good videos!! 🎃🎃🎃👍
Thank you very much! I think that was the best looking male guppy I have ever had.
Honestly I like your style of making videos little to no editing and on the fly with an Iphone, kinda looks like I'm looking at my own tanks... except you have more tanks and better looking guppies😉 That's pretty darn cool RUclips offered you that though congrats on that 👍👍
Thank you Floyd!! The giveaways woulda been nice if I was allowed to do it.
Nice video 👍👍👍 well done !
Thank you so much!!
very informative 👍
Thank you very much!
Maybe make a patreon that way you can do the drawing like you said .? Also , was wondering if you have any platinum red big ear mosaics in the near future ?
Thank you for the idea. I am trying to get things moved around so that the progress of them can be the next video,
Ok update : my blue lace guppies have me 12 Healy fry that r currently 1week and 4 days old , and from the 2 fry of red albinos that I have left I was sooooo lucky to get one female and one male 🤗 . Now I can keep the strain going , and also my chocolate molly gave fry that r now more that a month old and current gave me another drop of fry that are 5 days old . Thanks for the vid 🥰
Thank you for watching! Congrats on the fry and the rare 50-50 split!
Eah D Grey!
Happy Halloween!
Thank you Ryan!!
Don't worry about going too long.. These are beautiful.
Oh wow. 💵 💰
Ya same as lyretail swords etc.. Would be like trying to shoot pool with a garden hose..
Great video.. Parden the pun it's not tooooo long.
Take care.
Beautiful guppies..
Wow great puns, 2 in there! Thank you for watching.
@@DGrey
Sorry pal.. Just can't help myself..
Great show
I was like #10. The long fins are awesome. Are long fins the RuPaul of the guppy world?
Thank you! That could be the new name for them! I will see if Childress will give us a ruling.
@@DGrey Whatever Childress says, I will agree.
extra beautiful ... dream to have that kind of strain in my tank ...
Thank you very much!
We Asian called Ribbon 😅
Thank you very much! The ribbon fins are amazing looking.
What if we cut off that extra long ganopodium n make it to the normal length😌
Thank you for watching! I don't know if that would work. I was under the impression that the gonopodium is a complicated thing with various spikes on it that transmit the sperm to the female. Maybe a veterinarian or ichthyologist would know.
Happy Halloween Dough👻
Thank you! Happy Halloween!
Hi Doug, I used to keep and breed Red Guppys like this but they proper Red not Orange. They had what looked like a really dark blue on there body's I think they there half black Reds? They where my pride and joy I also had tiger Endlers in a different tank. Along with other fish.
Thank you Stephen! I hope you can run a tank or 3 in the future. Half black reds are probably my favorite since they are my favorite color combination. They're just too high maintenance for me to try them again.
@@DGrey I used to bred other live bearers like swordtails and egg scatters like Dannios and small tetras. As well as a load on Bristle Nose catfish. Also kept Cory Cats got eggs from them but nothing come of it. Maybe next time?
@@stephen-truthseeker I like breeding other types of fish too. Cories seem to be hit or miss if the eggs will hatch and the fry develop.
So did you get more males that you can breed with?
There are a bunch of regular fin males growing out. I am waiting to see if they develop a tail like the original male had.
Thank you for mentioning the other name in overseas. I was looking for the long fin strain in my local online shop but can't find any. When you mentioned ribbon fin, I managed to find a few. If the males can't penetrate any female, I suppose normal fin males can try long fin female to try making long fin ones?
Thank you for watching! The regular fin makes of the strain can impregnate either type of female.
Some people claim the long fin males can impregnate a female Or they can snip the gonopodium down. I wouldn't even know what to say about that kind of cruelty.
Hey my yellow micariff guppies haven't bred in 4 months why do you think that is happening
Thank you for watching! Try some deworming meds if you haven't seen the females fill up at all.
@@DGrey females are fat but they arent dropping any fry i dont have any fish that can eat the fry either
@@Zeptha0 The females might be absorbing the developing fry back into their system. If you can give them a treatment of fenbendazole flake or levamisole flake that might help. If there are any other fish in the tank I'd put the guppies into a smaller quarantine tank to give the treatments. I get them from everythingaquatic, peabody's paradise or angels plus. They all have websites.
You are a lifesaver !! I almost got some ribbons to breed ! Got a new subscriber here ! Hope you can post some more videos ! Thanks for sharing
Thank you very much! I'm glad I could help. A friend of mine had bought guppies off of ebay and ended up he was only sent long fin males, total waste of money.
Hey...Great video as always..!!! Also for breeding these long fins..have heard trimming the gonopodium to normal must do the trick...a bit cruel though....
Thank you for watching! I meant to use a pic from a book that shows a diagram of the gonopodium. It's a complicated organ and has hooks and things along it to get the job done. Cutting it off to a short length might work IF those hooks, and openings are in the first few mm of it.
Recent subscriber here, is the long fin (ribbon) an autosomal recessive gene? Or how does it work? For example does a cross from those normal females x normal males still give you long fins? TIA
Thank you very much! I really appreciate that. I'm testing that out now. I used a regular fin trio and got a large batch of fry from each female. 2 months in all fry are regular fin and there are about 80 fry. I want to see if any of their fry will have long fins or if the next batch from each female will have any long fins.
@@DGrey at what age do ribbon fry start to show potential?
@@juliescesar The long fins start to develop early, about 1 month or so.
we call it ribbon guppy or gullwing guppies here in asia.these ribbon or gullwing guppies have bigger ears than regular ones.you can actually see it in the video.btw this is my guppy channel if u wanna check out my guppies www.youtube.com/@Unclesguppy88
Thank you!! I did notice that with the few ribbons I’ve had. I will check out your channel.
@@DGrey thanks master
They're gorgeous fish. Longfin males have always seemed kinda useless to me. And they look kinda weird... 😏 I'm personally not big on the whole memberships thing, but there are a small few I might consider joining, yours included. But the cost just ends up adding up after a while, the more channels you join. I'm personally on a limited budget. And I say keep it simple. Your videos are excellent. All that editing can end up being literally a full time job. I've heard of some people doing hours and hours of editing to end up with a 10 minute video. They're nice videos, but that's just way too much work for me for sure. I keep my videos and channel simple, basically no editing either and I use my cell phone to shoot the video. Not that I matter. For me, it's about documenting my hobby and sharing a bit with others. I don't have the energy or desire to do tons of editing. Of course to each their own. It just all depends on how much time and effort you want to spend on it all. Nothing wrong with keeping it simple.
Thank you Renee! I am not trying to make a variety show, just videos on good fish and not my face. People can do whatever they want with their own channels and I may even watch and enjoy them. Or I may never watch like I do with mostly all fish channels except for you and a few others.
How do you make a Kleenex dance???? Put a little boogie in it
Thank you for watching! That is a good bad one too!
Hi Doug, I need your email address, I have some questions about the little red teapot platys.
And thanks for the breeding info, always useful. Those long fin males sure are pretty even though they got short changed in the manly department, at least being actually able to impregnate the ladies.
Thank you! It's greydmail at yahoo.com
I heard cutting it owrks anyone tried?
Thank you for watching! It seems inhumane to me but maybe some people have tried it. If you get a ribbon fin line it's also best to get the short fin male & female too.
@@DGrey the person i buy from only works with fullgold ribbon he said that they always end up getting pregnant he never orders regular fined fish so that beats the idea! I even told him as i oredered fish and only found out about this toppic and i certainly told him that ducks but he told me they are able to mate. And skme of my females arr preggos lol
@@charlonmamangun2626 I don’t bother with ribbon fin strains anymore. In 30 plus years of breeding guppies I’ve never seen a long fin male impregnate a female. Maybe it’s possible but I wouldn’t bet on it.
Will never become a member of any channel. But I'll take the fish food and guppies anyway.....
Thank you, I feel Exactly the same way about memberships. I don't want to belong to any channel that wants me as a member! Those are my principles, and if you don't like them, well, I have others! : )
Bro location plz
Thank you for watching! I'm in the USA, Philadelphia, PA.
What I am curious about these long fins period is if it is a co dominate gene and or recessive gene. I do not expect most fish keepers to actually know proven genetics like I mastered over the 22 years but I do not know in the long fins. I will know soon enough unless you know off hand. With you mentioning to get short fins from the same breeder, just tells me that you did not know at the time of this video but you may of found out by now but unsure if you do or not. I guess as mentioned, I will find out soon if it is co dominate or recessive genes more than likely in 3 months but if it is recessive genes, it will take me about a year I believe before any are ready on this new strain I am working with.
Breeding guppies is a continual learning experience. Mainly because different genetics can be in the back round of similar strains. Results can change with the age of the fish too.
@@DGrey ..yes that is what I came across so I preferred at the beginning to start out with fry, raise my own to determine sexes and sell the rest because of the issues you mentioned and I get my fish from breeders, never importers who do not cross the strains so I get a strong background on the parents and previous generation.
@@supportyourtroopsathletes6460 I hope it works out well for you. As I've said in quite a few videos, I have only bought directly from breeders overseas and never wholesalers.
@@DGrey ... It is a rough ride on finding the perfect fish through breeders yes but there is one of the largest importers in the country right here that I would not need to pay shipping if I ever feel the need to but I just do not see that as of now unless it is something that I just can't get in the states. Now there is one I want that I will be contacting a transhipper on but I just do not know which transhipper works in my area in Florida, do you know by any chance? I would not buy from overseas but I just can't find it anywhere.
WTF- Why is it the studs always have to die some ridiculous way. I feel your pain
Thank you for watching! I know, it's like a weird death from a 1950's sci fi movie.
@@DGrey XD
What’s your webpage to see what you have for sale ? I want some metal black guppies from you , thank you !
Thank you for watching Valeria. I have a domain but didn't get the website running yet. I've put some auctions on aquabid under seller id greyd But I'm waiting out the mail slowdown and hope things improve after next week.
@@DGrey thank you for the info, not familiar with Aquabid but I will look!
I appreciate your video and explanation. I recently bought some ribbon fin gene 24-k gold guppies from a local hobbyist. He claims that that the ribbon fin male can impregnate females when it's young. There are indeed fries in the tank and I don't see any regular male there so I took his words for it and bought several pairs. I will see if I can continue to get fries out of the female guppies. Just curious, do you sell regular 24k guppies? If so, how to buy from you?
I hope they do well for you! My experience with the long fin lines is no way the long fin male can ever impregnate a female at any age. My hunch is that some people will lie to sell something. I don't have the 24k guppies. I've never actually seen 1 except weird pics from above so I don't even know what the fish looks like.
@@DGrey Thank you for your reply. I just subscribed to your channel. I am a fan of guppies and find your videos very informative and educational (the jokes are nice too).
@@rideralarm Thank you so much I really appreciate it!
You can cut the male ribbon fins and then add methlyene blue medication to the tank and then the long fin male can breed
if the didn't want to dress up the least they could have done is put a sock on that thing 😳
I agree 100% It is creepy when you think about it too much.
I had one pop up in my strain I'm making. One of my breeding females has a super long anal fin and it didn't dawn on my that her offspring could have long gonapodiums.
I culled him and was desperately trying to figure out where the parasites came from and why no other fish had them even though his was soooooo long.
He didn't fit my breeding standard though so even if I could I wouldn't have bred him.
Thank you for watching! It's really wild how long the anal fin on the females and gonopodium on the males get. The pec fins are like a long gullwing thing too.
are you happy to see me or are you just a long fin male?
Hey that's good!!!
This question is off the charts in stupidity but you said that the long fin males can breed if you use them before his "fin" gets too long. Have you ever tried it? If that is successful couldn't you take a grown-out fin and clip it short and use him? I know that sounds awful and you need to uncross your legs, but it is a serious question.
Thank you for watching! I had thought they could be used before the gonopodium gets too long but it's not possible. The gonopodium grows within 4 to 6 weeks. I don't think it could be cut to a smaller size because it is a complicated organ with hooks to deposit the sperm and that would be damaged. So they are a no go to be used as a breeder at any age.
@@DGrey So if you have to use short gonopodium ones to breed with, how is it that they manage to maintain the long ones? Is it a dominant gene?
@@susanshafer9696 Hi Susan, I apologize, I'm just seeing your reply to my reply now. RUclips is not too good with the notifications anymore. I think the long fin is a recurring outcome since the breeders started with longfin females. The short fin version female of the strain had a 2nd small drop of fry that was a 5/50 mix of males and females but all males were short fin and the females in that drop were 50/50 as far as short fin and long fin.