3 Forgotten Turkic Languages: Part 2

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  • Опубликовано: 4 авг 2024
  • The Turkic language family is spoken by millions across the world, mostly by speakers of Turkish, Uyghur and Kazakh. However, there are many lesser-known languages related to the popular ones, and in this video we will discuss three of these 'forgotten' Turkic tongues. Yalla!
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    Sections:
    Intro - 00:00
    Khalaj - 00:17
    Urum - 01:30
    Kumyk- 03:00
    Outro - 05:09
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    Credits:
    Production - me
    Graphics - Microsoft PowerPoint
    Recording - OBS Software
    Editing - Microsoft ClipChamp
    Music - Brendan Kinsella - Mozart - Piano Sonata in B-flat major III Allegretto Grazioso
    Samples - Wikipedia, Omniglot
    Voiceover - me
    Disclaimer - All content is researched, written, produced and voiced by me. I and only myself own the rights to this video.

Комментарии • 86

  • @CheLanguages
    @CheLanguages  Год назад +14

    I hope you guys enjoyed part 2, I know it's taken a while. Which Turkic language is your favorite, either from this video or in general?

  • @Neversa
    @Neversa Год назад +17

    Native speaker of Kazakh language (Kipchak language) here! 🇰🇿 Greetings from Kazakhstan! I didn't really understand Khalaj language. Urum and Kumuk language are closer to Kazakh. I understood like 60% of Kumuk language as it was written, tho more general words, I'd probably be able to understand less of it in speech, since Kazakh phonology is quite unique compared to other Turkic languages, it has a couple of weird sound shifts. That google translate did a decent job, I think, at least, general meaning is there, tho distorted. Anyway, thank you Che for a great video again!

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Год назад +3

      Thank you for the information, it's great to have a Kazakh here! I'm glad you enjoyed the video, thank you for the support!

    • @papazataklaattiranimam
      @papazataklaattiranimam Год назад +3

      Can you understand Altai and Uzbek too👀

    • @DoraEmon-xf8br
      @DoraEmon-xf8br Год назад +2

      Сәлем from France.
      I’m currently learning Kazakh and Turkiye Turkish.
      I hope I’ll be able to visit your country someday!
      Сау болыңыз !

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Год назад

      @@papazataklaattiranimam he can probably understand Karakalpak quite easily

    • @bikelive9620
      @bikelive9620 Год назад

      ​​​​@@DoraEmon-xf8br If you know Kazakh and Turkish, you will also know the third language- this is the Kumyk language.
      Since the Kazakh language is the Kipchaks- Cumans and the Turkish language is the Oguzes..
      And the Kumyk language is Kipchak- Kuman with Oguz.
      The Kumyks are the descendants of the Huns, Khazars, Kipchaks- Kumans, Oguzes..

  • @just1frosty516
    @just1frosty516 Год назад +5

    i had no idea there were turkic languages that big in the caucuses, great vid as always

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Год назад +1

      Thank you, I'm glad you learnt something new

  • @kylmayo8784
    @kylmayo8784 Год назад +1

    This is fascinating, thank you for your content. I appreciate the dedication and attention that you apply to your videos!
    I have a hobby of collecting books in different languages and soon I will get a book in Kumyk so I was pretty surprised to see it here

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Год назад

      I'm glad you enjoyed the video! Enjoy the Kumyk book!

  • @gazoontight
    @gazoontight Год назад +1

    Gret video. Not sure I can say I have a favorite, but the Urum was a surprise.

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Год назад +1

      It was a surprize to me too when I learnt about it from some commenters! Shame I couldn't find any large texts with translation though. I'm glad you enjoyed the video

  • @grzegorzbrzeczyszczykiewicz991
    @grzegorzbrzeczyszczykiewicz991 Год назад +8

    Brilliant video as always!

  • @johnlastname8752
    @johnlastname8752 Год назад +6

    Still no mention of Western Yugur 😔. On a different note, Kyrgyz also has the "dark l" but it only shows up when it's between back vowels in native words or Russian loan words.

  • @papazataklaattiranimam
    @papazataklaattiranimam Год назад +7

    Although the Khalajs were a large, militarily superior and very important ethnic group in history, they are only 20.000 people today.
    They established many empires and kingdoms in history Turk Shahi which defeated Abbasids, Zunbils, Khaljis of Bengal which was responsible to Bengalis being Muslims today, Khaljis of Delhi which was also a short lived important empire that defeated Mongol armies many times and conquered vast majority of Indian subcontinent, and Khaljis of Malwa which defeated Rajput warriors many times.
    In addition very famous and one of the greatest Islamic general Alauddin Khalji got his surname from this tribe.

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Год назад +3

      I wonder what happened to them, you're likely more educated than me on this matter. I didn't know they were responsible for the Bengali conversion

    • @papazataklaattiranimam
      @papazataklaattiranimam Год назад +4

      @@CheLanguages According to historical documents, the Khalajs were divided and joined into tribal confederations of Pashtuns, Persians and Indians, which were much more numerous than themselves, and forgot their language. It is known with certainty that they formed the core of the largest Pashtun tribe, the Ghilzai, and gave their own name to this tribe.
      Some of Khalaj people got assimilated into Oghuz Turks also, there are many Khalaj villages in Azerbaijan and Turkiye although they don’t speak Khalaj anymore.

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Год назад +3

      @@papazataklaattiranimam that's interesting how they just "disappeared" after being so great. It reminds me of the Amazigh Zenaga tribe

  • @nenenindonu
    @nenenindonu Год назад +5

    The White Huns might've been speakers of Khalaj / Arghu based on their connection to the Turk Shahis & Zunbils, however majority of scholars suggest their language to be Oghuric

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Год назад +2

      That would be really interesting. A regular commenter and Turkic enthusiast who knows a lot more than me about the Turkic languages left a comment about how the Khalajs were once great conquerers, and were also the ones responsible for spreading Islam to Bangladesh

  • @y2kicon467
    @y2kicon467 Год назад +3

    As someone who is obsessed with Turkic languages as a Turkic person myself I was glad to see Urum and Khalaj on this list because I never see anyone on RUclips talk about these two as much. A Turkic language I think should’ve been on this video instead of Kumyk is Dukha.

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Год назад +1

      I'll be sure to include it next time then! Thank you for the feedback and I'm glad you enjoyed the video

  • @chandraathithan11
    @chandraathithan11 Год назад +1

    Super video

  • @muhsinhalacoglu610
    @muhsinhalacoglu610 8 месяцев назад +4

    من اِزوم خلج تورکیَم، دنیاچه پیتین تورکلرقه سلام هِتگَروروم. ساغ اوغَیز.
    Mən ezum xələc Türkiyəm, və dünyaçə pitin Türklərqə səlam hetgərorom, saq oqəyz.
    I myself am a khalaj Turk, and I send my greetings to all Turks, thank you.

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  8 месяцев назад +1

      Teşekkür ederim

    • @yahoodascariot3667
      @yahoodascariot3667 4 месяца назад

      selam, i would like to know about khalaj, very interesting language. i myself am azeri turk. do you use anything like discord, telegram or something?

  • @papazataklaattiranimam
    @papazataklaattiranimam Год назад +4

    3:00 These words are completely same in Turkish too😅 (except pronunciation)

  • @andynguyenofanthem6358
    @andynguyenofanthem6358 Год назад +1

    Can you make a vid about 3 Forgotten Austronesian languages?

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Год назад

      Great idea! How hadn't I thought of that one already?

  • @user-gr9fq9gt9w
    @user-gr9fq9gt9w Год назад +5

    3:05
    Man knows his vexillology

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Год назад +1

      Thank you! I love flags almost as much as languages tbh

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Год назад +1

      @Plopi96ILuvPigeons they always are

  • @diyartokmurzin7154
    @diyartokmurzin7154 24 дня назад

    There is a large subethnic group among Kazakhs called Argyn, with around 2 mln population. The actual pronunciation would be somewhat like Arğÿn. There was a hypothesis that they are somehow related to Khalaj/Argu. Majority of Argyns have G1 haplogroup common in Iran, Turkey, and Azerbaijan. Though their common ancestor was Emir Qarakhodga, who was a Viezer of Urus Khan of The Golden Horde

  • @mollof7893
    @mollof7893 Год назад +2

    Video Idea: 3 Forgotten Language Isolates.

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Год назад

      It's a great video idea, one I've thought about before. I'm still not sure how to go about it

  • @andreman86
    @andreman86 Год назад +3

    I find Urum's Greek script interesting as it's spelled as "Υρυμ" which is weird to see as a Greek as the Υυ makes an Ii sound, Furthermore I find it fascinating that the Urums, the Pontic Greeks and the Greeks that lived in Asia Minor before the Smyrna Catastrophe (which my great-grandfather was from Smyrna and they use to call themselves "Romius", basically Roman). I also wanna mention that these are Greeks, that speak Turkish that live in Ukraine which is super interesting

    • @papazataklaattiranimam
      @papazataklaattiranimam Год назад +2

      They actually speak medieval Kipchak language which was remnant of Golden Horde not Turkish.
      Also, the more interesting part of this is that Crimean Tatar language became Oghuzified under Ottoman rule whereas Urum did not.

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Год назад

      So it was Mongol?

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Год назад

      Your other part is definitely correct though, that's why the dialects of Crimean Tatr differ so much

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Год назад

      It's a good point, that's just what I found with the script

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Год назад

      It's all really interesting, in the last few weeks I've learnt a lot about the Greeks spread about the world in interesting places

  • @kasyakyoubfgamindikisborat
    @kasyakyoubfgamindikisborat Год назад +2

    Why Khalaj using Karluk symbol in their flag?

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Год назад +1

      I have no idea, but the Khalaj people appear to have had an interesting history and they used to be much more widespread. It will have something to do with their past

  • @yahoodascariot3667
    @yahoodascariot3667 4 месяца назад +2

    actually a lot of turkics have dark l, but its just allophone with back vowels

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  4 месяца назад +1

      Indeed, I don't know what I was thinking when I made this video

  • @Playing096
    @Playing096 Год назад +1

    Finally

  • @nonamenoname2767
    @nonamenoname2767 5 месяцев назад

    Actually those people are turkish in origin but are christians also there are pontus greek people who speak Romeika, an ancient greek dialect. Kıpcaks are those branch of Turkic tribes who are of Christian confession hence they speak a proto Turkish language with some different words, since Ottoman empire classified people and nations not by their language but by their religion, who is not muslim is Rum or Urum and this led to confusion as if these Christians are Greek

  • @papazataklaattiranimam
    @papazataklaattiranimam Год назад +4

    Kumyk had been a lingua-franca of the bigger part of the Northern Caucasus, from Dagestan to Kabarda, until the 1930s[11][12][13] and was an official language of communication between the North-Eastern Caucasian nations and the Russian administration.[14]
    In 1848, a professor of the "Caucasian Tatar" (Kumyk) Timofey Makarov published the first ever grammatical book in Russian language for one of the Northern Caucasian languages, which was international Kumyk. Makarov wrote:[15]
    From the peoples speaking Tatar language I liked the most Kumyks, as for their language's distinction and precision, so for their closeness to the European civilization, but most importantly, I take in account that they live on the Left Flank of the Caucasian Front, where we're conducting military actions, and where all the peoples, apart from their own language, speak also Kumyk.

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Год назад +3

      Thank you for copying and pasting the Wikipedia article. I hope you enjoyed the video!

    • @papazataklaattiranimam
      @papazataklaattiranimam Год назад +2

      @@CheLanguages i did. I would like to see Bulgar, Chagatai Turkic and Gokturk languages in part 3
      👀
      👄

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Год назад

      @@papazataklaattiranimam Gokturk language?

    • @papazataklaattiranimam
      @papazataklaattiranimam Год назад

      @@CheLanguages i meant Orkhon aka Old Turkic

  • @ylmazirdenyazc8393
    @ylmazirdenyazc8393 Год назад +2

    Dude when you were talking about the Decline of the Pontic Greek you said that the Pontic Genocide was the biggest reason, but when you are talking about the Decline of Kumyk from the Lingua Franca of the Northern Caucasus to just a Language of the region as "but today the reverse is true" as if Russians Genociding Circassians and killing almost half of Vainakh and Dagestani peoples during their Caucasian War before Soviets under Stalin and his deportations that killed between 30% to 50% of many peoples of this region didnt had any effects for the triumph of Russian in the region to begin with?
    Either you mentioning such heavy topics in your "Three Forgotten Hellenic Languages" left a bad taste in you for what was supposed to be a linguistic video so you decided not to bring it up something similar a second time or your resources didnt find it neccesery to bring it up and thus you didnt know. Either case i wouldnt blame you but still at least you could have mentioned Forced Russification of the Caucasus without entering details, even this would have been enough.

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Год назад +2

      I apologize, I forgot to mention any of this. I of course do not deny the events in the Caucasus region and recognize them as terrible, I support the Circassians already. I will make sure to mention it in my next video (Caucasus languages)

    • @ylmazirdenyazc8393
      @ylmazirdenyazc8393 Год назад +1

      @@CheLanguages its okay dude, and i wish to apologize to you too, i had written the comment at a time when i was very tired, and thus i just realize that the Langauge i used was a far too harsh and belligerent for a simple constructive critism comment.
      Have a Good day

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Год назад +1

      @@ylmazirdenyazc8393 You have a good day too! Also you're the only person who knows about the next video now too!

  • @justaduck1664
    @justaduck1664 Год назад

    You know what your too cool you know your phenology and linguistics and talk about mostly unknown languages. Oh yeah forgot to tell you something in arabic we dont call the eastern rome urum we call it al embrotarya al bizantya

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Год назад

      Thank you for the compliments! I'm glad you enjoy my channel. I didn't know about that other name, thank you for letting me know!

    • @justaduck1664
      @justaduck1664 Год назад +1

      @@CheLanguages embrotarya comes from empire and bizantya comes from byzantium

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  Год назад

      @@justaduck1664 yeah that was obvious

  • @PecherGriffin
    @PecherGriffin Год назад +2

    Why no Russian 😡😡

  • @user-mk9ju5uc3l
    @user-mk9ju5uc3l 7 месяцев назад

    Khalji/ khilji / Ghilzai / Ghilji is a Pashtun/ Pakhtun tribe , kabul shahan ,zunbils or rutbils ,Ghoris ,khilji dynasities of india and bengal, Lodi ,Suri dynasity of india and Hotaki dyansity , all these werekhilji/ khalji/ Ghilzai/ Ghilji Pashtun dynasities formed by khilji / khalji/ Ghilzai / Ghilji afghans from afghanistan. The pashtu speaking Khilji/ khalji/ Ghilzai Ghilji have 12 million population in afghanistan and pakistan so we are the representative of khalaj / khalji/ khilji / Ghilji / Ghilzai and not the 20000 thousand people.Alkhwarzmi claimed that khalaj were hephtalites but recent escavation of an inscription in waziristan ( tochi) in pakistan revealed that khalaj were kushans. M Z Khan khilji peshawar pakistan.

    • @CheLanguages
      @CheLanguages  6 месяцев назад

      They are Türkic not Indo-European