3 Forgotten Turkic Languages: Part 2
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- Опубликовано: 4 авг 2024
- The Turkic language family is spoken by millions across the world, mostly by speakers of Turkish, Uyghur and Kazakh. However, there are many lesser-known languages related to the popular ones, and in this video we will discuss three of these 'forgotten' Turkic tongues. Yalla!
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Sections:
Intro - 00:00
Khalaj - 00:17
Urum - 01:30
Kumyk- 03:00
Outro - 05:09
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Credits:
Production - me
Graphics - Microsoft PowerPoint
Recording - OBS Software
Editing - Microsoft ClipChamp
Music - Brendan Kinsella - Mozart - Piano Sonata in B-flat major III Allegretto Grazioso
Samples - Wikipedia, Omniglot
Voiceover - me
Disclaimer - All content is researched, written, produced and voiced by me. I and only myself own the rights to this video.
I hope you guys enjoyed part 2, I know it's taken a while. Which Turkic language is your favorite, either from this video or in general?
Kumyk
Khalaj
@@Elowykris 💪🏼
@@grzegorzbrzeczyszczykiewicz991 nice one
@@papazataklaattiranimam Gigachad language
Native speaker of Kazakh language (Kipchak language) here! 🇰🇿 Greetings from Kazakhstan! I didn't really understand Khalaj language. Urum and Kumuk language are closer to Kazakh. I understood like 60% of Kumuk language as it was written, tho more general words, I'd probably be able to understand less of it in speech, since Kazakh phonology is quite unique compared to other Turkic languages, it has a couple of weird sound shifts. That google translate did a decent job, I think, at least, general meaning is there, tho distorted. Anyway, thank you Che for a great video again!
Thank you for the information, it's great to have a Kazakh here! I'm glad you enjoyed the video, thank you for the support!
Can you understand Altai and Uzbek too👀
Сәлем from France.
I’m currently learning Kazakh and Turkiye Turkish.
I hope I’ll be able to visit your country someday!
Сау болыңыз !
@@papazataklaattiranimam he can probably understand Karakalpak quite easily
@@DoraEmon-xf8br If you know Kazakh and Turkish, you will also know the third language- this is the Kumyk language.
Since the Kazakh language is the Kipchaks- Cumans and the Turkish language is the Oguzes..
And the Kumyk language is Kipchak- Kuman with Oguz.
The Kumyks are the descendants of the Huns, Khazars, Kipchaks- Kumans, Oguzes..
i had no idea there were turkic languages that big in the caucuses, great vid as always
Thank you, I'm glad you learnt something new
This is fascinating, thank you for your content. I appreciate the dedication and attention that you apply to your videos!
I have a hobby of collecting books in different languages and soon I will get a book in Kumyk so I was pretty surprised to see it here
I'm glad you enjoyed the video! Enjoy the Kumyk book!
Gret video. Not sure I can say I have a favorite, but the Urum was a surprise.
It was a surprize to me too when I learnt about it from some commenters! Shame I couldn't find any large texts with translation though. I'm glad you enjoyed the video
Brilliant video as always!
Dzięki Grzegorz!
@@angelgomez4632 shalom
Still no mention of Western Yugur 😔. On a different note, Kyrgyz also has the "dark l" but it only shows up when it's between back vowels in native words or Russian loan words.
I didn't know this, fair enough!
Although the Khalajs were a large, militarily superior and very important ethnic group in history, they are only 20.000 people today.
They established many empires and kingdoms in history Turk Shahi which defeated Abbasids, Zunbils, Khaljis of Bengal which was responsible to Bengalis being Muslims today, Khaljis of Delhi which was also a short lived important empire that defeated Mongol armies many times and conquered vast majority of Indian subcontinent, and Khaljis of Malwa which defeated Rajput warriors many times.
In addition very famous and one of the greatest Islamic general Alauddin Khalji got his surname from this tribe.
I wonder what happened to them, you're likely more educated than me on this matter. I didn't know they were responsible for the Bengali conversion
@@CheLanguages According to historical documents, the Khalajs were divided and joined into tribal confederations of Pashtuns, Persians and Indians, which were much more numerous than themselves, and forgot their language. It is known with certainty that they formed the core of the largest Pashtun tribe, the Ghilzai, and gave their own name to this tribe.
Some of Khalaj people got assimilated into Oghuz Turks also, there are many Khalaj villages in Azerbaijan and Turkiye although they don’t speak Khalaj anymore.
@@papazataklaattiranimam that's interesting how they just "disappeared" after being so great. It reminds me of the Amazigh Zenaga tribe
The White Huns might've been speakers of Khalaj / Arghu based on their connection to the Turk Shahis & Zunbils, however majority of scholars suggest their language to be Oghuric
That would be really interesting. A regular commenter and Turkic enthusiast who knows a lot more than me about the Turkic languages left a comment about how the Khalajs were once great conquerers, and were also the ones responsible for spreading Islam to Bangladesh
As someone who is obsessed with Turkic languages as a Turkic person myself I was glad to see Urum and Khalaj on this list because I never see anyone on RUclips talk about these two as much. A Turkic language I think should’ve been on this video instead of Kumyk is Dukha.
I'll be sure to include it next time then! Thank you for the feedback and I'm glad you enjoyed the video
Super video
Thank you!
من اِزوم خلج تورکیَم، دنیاچه پیتین تورکلرقه سلام هِتگَروروم. ساغ اوغَیز.
Mən ezum xələc Türkiyəm, və dünyaçə pitin Türklərqə səlam hetgərorom, saq oqəyz.
I myself am a khalaj Turk, and I send my greetings to all Turks, thank you.
Teşekkür ederim
selam, i would like to know about khalaj, very interesting language. i myself am azeri turk. do you use anything like discord, telegram or something?
3:00 These words are completely same in Turkish too😅 (except pronunciation)
That's awesome!
You're almost as many places as I am on RUclips.
@@godofchaoskhorne5043 LOL he is everywhere!
Can you make a vid about 3 Forgotten Austronesian languages?
Great idea! How hadn't I thought of that one already?
3:05
Man knows his vexillology
Thank you! I love flags almost as much as languages tbh
@Plopi96ILuvPigeons they always are
There is a large subethnic group among Kazakhs called Argyn, with around 2 mln population. The actual pronunciation would be somewhat like Arğÿn. There was a hypothesis that they are somehow related to Khalaj/Argu. Majority of Argyns have G1 haplogroup common in Iran, Turkey, and Azerbaijan. Though their common ancestor was Emir Qarakhodga, who was a Viezer of Urus Khan of The Golden Horde
Video Idea: 3 Forgotten Language Isolates.
It's a great video idea, one I've thought about before. I'm still not sure how to go about it
I find Urum's Greek script interesting as it's spelled as "Υρυμ" which is weird to see as a Greek as the Υυ makes an Ii sound, Furthermore I find it fascinating that the Urums, the Pontic Greeks and the Greeks that lived in Asia Minor before the Smyrna Catastrophe (which my great-grandfather was from Smyrna and they use to call themselves "Romius", basically Roman). I also wanna mention that these are Greeks, that speak Turkish that live in Ukraine which is super interesting
They actually speak medieval Kipchak language which was remnant of Golden Horde not Turkish.
Also, the more interesting part of this is that Crimean Tatar language became Oghuzified under Ottoman rule whereas Urum did not.
So it was Mongol?
Your other part is definitely correct though, that's why the dialects of Crimean Tatr differ so much
It's a good point, that's just what I found with the script
It's all really interesting, in the last few weeks I've learnt a lot about the Greeks spread about the world in interesting places
Why Khalaj using Karluk symbol in their flag?
I have no idea, but the Khalaj people appear to have had an interesting history and they used to be much more widespread. It will have something to do with their past
actually a lot of turkics have dark l, but its just allophone with back vowels
Indeed, I don't know what I was thinking when I made this video
Finally
I hope you enjoy!
@@CheLanguages yes I enjoyed it
@@Playing096 I'm glad to hear it!
Actually those people are turkish in origin but are christians also there are pontus greek people who speak Romeika, an ancient greek dialect. Kıpcaks are those branch of Turkic tribes who are of Christian confession hence they speak a proto Turkish language with some different words, since Ottoman empire classified people and nations not by their language but by their religion, who is not muslim is Rum or Urum and this led to confusion as if these Christians are Greek
Kumyk had been a lingua-franca of the bigger part of the Northern Caucasus, from Dagestan to Kabarda, until the 1930s[11][12][13] and was an official language of communication between the North-Eastern Caucasian nations and the Russian administration.[14]
In 1848, a professor of the "Caucasian Tatar" (Kumyk) Timofey Makarov published the first ever grammatical book in Russian language for one of the Northern Caucasian languages, which was international Kumyk. Makarov wrote:[15]
From the peoples speaking Tatar language I liked the most Kumyks, as for their language's distinction and precision, so for their closeness to the European civilization, but most importantly, I take in account that they live on the Left Flank of the Caucasian Front, where we're conducting military actions, and where all the peoples, apart from their own language, speak also Kumyk.
Thank you for copying and pasting the Wikipedia article. I hope you enjoyed the video!
@@CheLanguages i did. I would like to see Bulgar, Chagatai Turkic and Gokturk languages in part 3
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@@papazataklaattiranimam Gokturk language?
@@CheLanguages i meant Orkhon aka Old Turkic
Dude when you were talking about the Decline of the Pontic Greek you said that the Pontic Genocide was the biggest reason, but when you are talking about the Decline of Kumyk from the Lingua Franca of the Northern Caucasus to just a Language of the region as "but today the reverse is true" as if Russians Genociding Circassians and killing almost half of Vainakh and Dagestani peoples during their Caucasian War before Soviets under Stalin and his deportations that killed between 30% to 50% of many peoples of this region didnt had any effects for the triumph of Russian in the region to begin with?
Either you mentioning such heavy topics in your "Three Forgotten Hellenic Languages" left a bad taste in you for what was supposed to be a linguistic video so you decided not to bring it up something similar a second time or your resources didnt find it neccesery to bring it up and thus you didnt know. Either case i wouldnt blame you but still at least you could have mentioned Forced Russification of the Caucasus without entering details, even this would have been enough.
I apologize, I forgot to mention any of this. I of course do not deny the events in the Caucasus region and recognize them as terrible, I support the Circassians already. I will make sure to mention it in my next video (Caucasus languages)
@@CheLanguages its okay dude, and i wish to apologize to you too, i had written the comment at a time when i was very tired, and thus i just realize that the Langauge i used was a far too harsh and belligerent for a simple constructive critism comment.
Have a Good day
@@ylmazirdenyazc8393 You have a good day too! Also you're the only person who knows about the next video now too!
You know what your too cool you know your phenology and linguistics and talk about mostly unknown languages. Oh yeah forgot to tell you something in arabic we dont call the eastern rome urum we call it al embrotarya al bizantya
Thank you for the compliments! I'm glad you enjoy my channel. I didn't know about that other name, thank you for letting me know!
@@CheLanguages embrotarya comes from empire and bizantya comes from byzantium
@@justaduck1664 yeah that was obvious
Why no Russian 😡😡
Because Russian last time, Peter
Khalji/ khilji / Ghilzai / Ghilji is a Pashtun/ Pakhtun tribe , kabul shahan ,zunbils or rutbils ,Ghoris ,khilji dynasities of india and bengal, Lodi ,Suri dynasity of india and Hotaki dyansity , all these werekhilji/ khalji/ Ghilzai/ Ghilji Pashtun dynasities formed by khilji / khalji/ Ghilzai / Ghilji afghans from afghanistan. The pashtu speaking Khilji/ khalji/ Ghilzai Ghilji have 12 million population in afghanistan and pakistan so we are the representative of khalaj / khalji/ khilji / Ghilji / Ghilzai and not the 20000 thousand people.Alkhwarzmi claimed that khalaj were hephtalites but recent escavation of an inscription in waziristan ( tochi) in pakistan revealed that khalaj were kushans. M Z Khan khilji peshawar pakistan.
They are Türkic not Indo-European