All he cares about is his bonus and next job. It’s why he can make stupid decisions like a garbage new broadcast deal and a 19th club while so many clubs are struggling because he knows he doesn’t have to actually deal with the consequences.
“The best angle is from a punter on their phone” sums up how much the AFL has actually invested into their VAR system, as opposed to other sporting bodies.
Maybe if the AFL wasn't so obsessed with the "flow" of the game they could actually make some correct calls! I like the idea of every score within the last 2mins to be reviewed.
This! They’re sacrificing the integrity of the scoreboard and game by wanting to have quick play ons and drama. But commentators complaining about goal reviews and length has been a problem too - they complain about reviews then complain when this indictment happens
the integrity of the game has been dragged through the mud over the last 5 years, the implementation of new rules is even more shambolic than the review system
@@sweetsour6350 if it was woke, they'd reverse the decision or do a replay match or give Crows points or something else than the position they've taken. You tried it.
crows supporter here, never have i felt more upset and angry after a game, i was sitting in the nosebleeds of the riverbank stand, and it was a clear as day goal even from there, i actually can’t accept that the goal umpire could have possibly thought that was a point, utterly disgraceful
All of this could be implemented and makes sense, there doesn't need to be a soft call, all goals can be reviewed immediately and if the umpire got it wrong they can ring the siren, stop play, call the correct score and reset the timer. Players/captains should also be able to call for a video review.
The only thing with Players & Captains calling for a review ... I can clearly see already in my mind that it will be used as a delaying tactic especially when it's a close game... Not allowing for the attacking side to try & move the ball quickly... I do totally agree with everything else 👍👍👍
@@moocher9935Agree, it’s a grey area that essentially implements a “timeout” If there is a captain review, where teams can reset their structure. Not sure what the best option going forward is.
@@moocher9935 If you were to make it that the Captain only has 1 strike on a call for video review. Then if the request was determined to be a correct request, they keep their video request. If they are wrong about the request then they no longer can use it. Pretty simple way to make it so that it cant be abused.
@@Sterkleton_ again I agree to a point with your philosophy but again... If it's a tight game & the review has not been used then it could still be used as delaying tac tic
@@Sterkleton_the only fair way is that all goals get reviewed... don't want a goal to be reviewed, then don't let the opposition have a shot on goal. If you do then put up with a goal being reviewed.
Could have been 7 teams actively playing for a position in the eight. Due to one non-call to make use of a technology, only three teams will be fighting for a place in the eight.
The new rule should be if it hits the post and goes in its a goal. If it hits the point posts and goes in its a point. If it hits any post and goes back on the field the ball stays in play. All that has to be reviewed then is that the ball has gone past the posts and that it has not been touched. If the umpire is not sure about it being touched then the call should be done by the review system. If that is not conclusive then its a goal. This minimizes umpire error and umpire manipulation.
100% agree, need to be removing the grey area from our game. To suspend the umpire over one bad call when there should be policies/procedures in place to prevent this from happening. 👍👍
Not a new idea… nevertheless its a great one… lets also introduce the SANFL last touch out of bounds off the boot… two grey areas that constantly upset the paying public..now if we could ever get the holding the ball/incorrect disposal rule fixed it would again be a great game…!
Imagine scores are level and you have a shot after the siren. Any score will win. You hit the goal post, it bounces back into play for no score and the game ends in a draw. Meanwhile, if you had shanked the kick a further 6 metres off line and it barely scraped in for a behind, you would have won. Doesn't that seem a little silly?
@@mangoman2148 No that's not silly. In soccer the ball has to go into the goal. If it hits the post and goes in, its a goal. If it hits the post and bounces out it is no score. Simple. Most games that have Goal posts have these rules
HAPPENED AGAIN IN THE HAWKS GAME Dylan Moore looked like he kicked a goal and umpire called a point but it needed to be reviewed that's like the day after this one!!!
I’ve commented before and I’m still disgusted with this ( I’m a Blues supporter btw) it is not just the monumental error from the goal umpire, but the field umpires are not even spoken about. They would have seen how close this was and the manifestation of Crows players celebrations. So why in the fucking hell didn’t they have it looked at?
Two umpire mistakes cost Adelaide 2 games this year, and a finals appearance. They should be in the 8 now. It’s NOT GOOD enough! Even the NRL do it better with captains challenges and score reviews.
that's right, the AFL is so far behind the times and with so much money being made, that they can afford to improve the technology. It isn't just the Crows that have been robbed because of poor umpiring on the goal line, other teams have been screwed as well. for a professional sport that is the AFL, these sorts of issues are sub-standard, and are in need of serious fixing, they cannot have fan footage that is far superior to their technology, as the optics of it is terrible.
It's not the umpiring decisions. Adelaide are still a developing team, and part of their development is needing to learn to play harder and tougher for longer. This is all part of a learning experience for them. If they are good enough they will benefit greatly from the setbacks that they have experienced this season. Look at what happened with Geelong a year or two later after they led all night in the 2005 Semi Final against the Swans in Sydney, only to have Nick Davis steal the lead off them and put the Swans in front with just seconds remaining. They won 3 flags from 4 Grand Final appearances in 5 years.
Crows had 3 games lost by goal reviews showing not touched but the review comes back as touched. Then there was the last Collingwood game should have got a blatant free kick in front of goal but was ignored. Such a crock. The team that beats all the top team gets screwed by AFL all the damn time. Considering I am a Collingwood supporter, I feel for them. A team that never gets frees in their forward 50m and could win the flag with their young squad. Ah well Lucky they didn't make it in!
Couldn't agree more! And for Gill to say it wasn't a system error, it was a human error is bullshit. The system is there to remove the human error and it failed
Seriously, this has been a problem for years and should have been addressed at the beginning as the pictures look almost like a child's painting. It never was good enough and the system was never good enough, but now that it has affected a teams finals chances, it has become an issue. This was always going to happen, should have been addressed from the start.
I am a Carlton supporter and in the previous weeks match against Melbourne the disallowed goal from Petracca in the final minute looked like it was a goal. If the technology was up to scratch in a multi billion dollar industry, this would have probably been resolved the right way. Marchbank may have touched it but he will be the only one who really knows for sure. Technically (very technically) the field umpire could have paid a free to Marchbank for chopping of the arm however, I think if it was (and probably should have been) called a goal, I would have had no issues with that.
the thing is the soft call was a point and they couldn't tell wheteher its been touched or not so its not a dissallowed goal as the soft call was touched
The AFL has to implement the same system as association football/soccer. The fact that not only all goals are reviewed but potential penalties, disallowed goals and red card challenges can all be reviewed while normal play resumes shows that the system can and does work when implemented correctly. This has to happen in 2024. No excuses.
The worst part is the AFL hasn't acknowledged or even posted this apology on their social media pages. I understand that Matthew Nicks doesn't want to be a pessimist and say we lost it in the 1st and 2nd quarter and not blame the umpires, but the reality is we won the game and only lost due to this monstrosity of an error BY the umpires.
Yes, because the afl often alters the scores of games because of umpiring mistakes . They should what they usually do when an umpire makes a mistake, add a goal to one of the teams. Otherwise they are corrupt. 🤡
Yep, the AFL asked North to mess up their interchange, and then said to the goal umpire that if it goes close to automatically call it a point… (far easier to blame a conspiracy than actually think about it).
I have never been an Adelaide supporter, but, the AFL in its jurisdiction and ? wisdom, should have overruled the decision and given the 4 points to the Crows. Even the crowd at the far end saw this as a goal.
It's probably useless speculation, but I wonder what would have happened if this scenario was repeated for a big Victorian club. I doubt if 'Oops, sorry chaps, move on' would cut it.
The phone behind the goals being the best footage is not correct. The first angle they showed in this video it was clearly a goal, if they reviewed that, the technology would have got it right!
The Crows are entitled to compensation under the law, it is a walk-up start finished win case. I believe if the Crows CEO does not want to pursue this case then he needs to step down from his position or be dismissed. Any other out come is un acceptable and Crows fans could boycott future AFL matches. Negligence, it has happened before therefore it was foreseeable in the future and the AFL has done nothing to remedy. clear cut negligence.
Definitely should be checks on any suspicious bank transactions for both the goal umpire and field umpire. The way the goal umpire was so quick on the signal seemed really suspicious to me. I'm no crows fan either!
Even at the bare minimum they need the goal line camera to be 4K 60fps. You need better frame by frame slow motion. RUclipsrs have better camera equipment.
Chiefs v Bengals Championship Game last season the teams ran another play before the referee made a correction and reset the clock. Thats what should happen in the AFL.
What about the Jeremy Cameron goal against Collingwood when he got hand balled the ball while standing a meter or so over the boundary, does the AFL only care about umpiring decisions if they happen in the final stages and directly affect who wins
The best thing to do would be to remove the four points from Sydney and replay the match on the weekend before the finals.....but we know the AFL won't do that.
@@spaceballs2462 Also, unless there is BLATANT evidence that the ball hit the post (e.g. deviation of trajectory) or was touched (e.g. visible movement of fingers or deviation of trajectory), it should always be called a goal. Anything inconclusive should be a GOAL, this would stop anything like this from happening.
We have a league that has a poor score review system. We have a league that has unfair draws towards certain clubs. We have a league that make a team play home game 80kms away from home. We have a league we're home games are not really home games at times. We have a league that favours a certain clubs supporters . It's cooked. The whole thing.
AFL created this mess, Changed the rules around kick in's (dont have to wait for the white flag from both umps). An absolute mess and the AFL will give some under the table deal to keep Adelaide quiet
I don't remember the Crows compaining about the umpiring in the 1997 semi final, when the umpires were heavily in their favor, including the Leigh Colbert mark.
So why wasn't human error allowed for the concussion testing? Fined the club any player should now,be able to use human error as an excuse when reported. Good enough for Gill to use that excuse why can't everyone else?
ITS SIMPLE! Review all goals and all behinds. Problem solved. Also buy some proper slow motion cameras!! They don’t review behinds because they want to make the game quicker in the hopes it will be higher scoring , attract more fans and make more money. It’s all about money. Forget the money review the behinds get good cameras and cut the bullshit.
these stuff ups have happened far too often not only in this season to multiple other teams, but also in prior seasons, the AFL have enough money to imrpove the tech, such as having a hotspot system in place to ensure that the ball either doesn't touch the player, or hits the post. In the case of the Adelaide Crows, having cameras pointing downwards from the top of each goalpost. that anything close like that should immediately be sent upstairs, the reality is, this is meant to be a professional sport, these sorts of things are not good enough, which brings into play, that the AFL should allow for each team to instigate score reviews tactically, which could be a couple of score reviews per quarter, and to have a single decision review for wrong calls or non-calls anywhere on the field. for a professional sport, the umpiring at times has been shocking, having player reviews, would most likely make the umpires be a little more careful about their decisions, for a professional sport, having umpiring this bad at times, is simply not good enough, it has happened far too often this season, and in prior seasons, too many teams have been screwed over by terrible umpiring.
So if the Gil and the rest of the AFL are truly sorry about this, why don’t they implement something NOW to make sure this injustice does not happen again. I’m willing to bet that they implement nothing of worth before finals or before next week. Nothing. So are they truly sorry and are they willing to do something? No they’re not. It’s all shallow public talk. The question remains…Why can’t they do something this year? What is stopping them? Incompetence, laziness? Yeah, probably
#Award1stRoundDraftPicks - AFL make this right. Award compensation first round picks to Adelaide for multiple stuffups and all the other hardships you have forced this club to endure since it's existence. Accountability, great. Weldone AFL. Where is the compensation?
It’s not corruption, it’s just blinkered inaction. The only thing keeping it there is that it screws over every team - but this is bigger than any other so they surely can’t sit on their hands any longer.
Quite simply should have been checked. I don't think it matters who you support you have to call this an absolute disgrace. The AFL HAS TO compensate the Crows for this and compensate very heavily.
I still haven't heard a convincing argument as to why they can't reverse the decision and award the win to Adelaide. Both teams would then still have a chance at making the finals. In fact we'd end up with a crazy final round, with Adelaide, Sydney, Geelong, Bulldogs, GWS, Richmond and Essendon all battling for the final two spots in the 8. I would have thought the AFL would love that scenario.
The convincing argument is that it wasn't after the siren. Correctly called a goal, Adelaide would have been in front with just over a minute to play. Overturning the decision would have denied Sydney that time to try to score a goal in response. You can't undo unfairness to one side by creating unfairness for another.
@@bookgrub Yeah but Adelaide have already been denied a certain goal. If Sydney is denied a potential goal, then that's much fairer. Don't forget, Adelaide were also denied the chance to score another goal from stoppage, and they were smashing Sydney in that area by that stage of the game. Instead the behind gave Sydney possession of the ball and an easy run up the wing, putting them in a much better position than a center bounce would have. They scored 1 point for the whole quarter, I don't think they were going to buck that trend and nail a goal, especially if Adelaide flooded back which of course they would do.
@@paulmatters2641 Being rational was thrown out the window the moment the umpire made the wrong call and didn't review it. So we should look for the least bad outcome. As for that 1 minute and twenty (it was actually 1:11), what makes you think Sydney would have scored a goal when they could only manage a single point for the whole quarter? Don't forget, Sydney chose to play on quickly to take advantage of all the crows players being on one side of the ground, so they got more advantage from the decision than just the missed goal.
With the AFL pushing supporters into betting on games who becomes responsible for the monies lost due to the failures. With the amount of money bookies are making on games how much is being offered to officials to fix results? That one decision wasn't the only questionable one made by umpires that cost Adelaide's the game. It was almost like the AFL wanted the Crows to lose.
As far as i am concerned if it has been proven that it was a goal the points should be awarded to the Crows you have too. You can’t come out in full admission and say yes it was a goal and do nothing about it except stand the goal umpire down are you serious? This is finals the mistake was admitted it’s only right you have to rectify the score board. Protest Crow supporters go off your heads. This is disgraceful.
Can't do that because there was still over a minute of play left. If it was correctly called a goal, Sydney still would've had plenty of time to get back in front. The logical solution would be to replay the match on the weekend before the finals. 4 quarters......but the AFL won't do that.
@@tmspooner whether they could "buy" a goal or not, it still wouldn't be fair to give the Crows the win. There was still over a minute left on the clock. Different story if there was like 3 seconds left.
@@tmspooner I never said it was fair to the Crows....but unfortunately that's footy. As a Collingwood supporter, we were screwed by the umps in last year's preliminary final against Sydney. They kept getting 50 metre penalties, while we weren't being paid frees for blatant infringements by the Swans. Papley had a shot at goal (that he successfully kicked) that he should've never had in the first place, towards the end of the game. Free kicks also weren't being paid to Jack Ginnivan, CLEAR infringements. It was clear that the AFL wanted a Geelong V Sydney Grand Final, so the umps did whatever they could to get them over the line. It sucks...but it's just the way it is. Our slow start that game, didn't help matters either!
Sirengate, they overturned the descison, why arent they doing it now? The precident was set then, whats changed now? The ceo has come out and said its a goal, so it should have been a goal. Crows need to fight this so much more! Afl needs to pay crows a massive fine and more than justvan apology. As a pies fan that was at the game, its an absolute joke!
While I agree about Sirengate, the conditions were different. Sirengate was about play continuing after the final siren sounded and shots for goal after that final siren sounded. For this match, there was still over a minute to play, and there would have been a different setup and positioning with that much time left. You’re looking at a kick in from a point versus a center bounce clearance, 6-6-6, and then getting numbers back to defend. The time left makes all the difference.
Exactly the same thing happened the next day, Hawks vs Melbourne. In the second quarter with 2mins to go, Dylan Moore kicks what looks like a goal, the goal umpire doesn't review and play just carries on...
Yes..thank you....nothing has been said about that one. Only 1 replay shown and daisy pearce stats "oh there seems to be a deflation"....oh really show it again.
Knowing that it was a mistake i cant understand how they cant overide the loss and give the Crows the win. We all know the swans were cooked the crows ran over the top of the swans.
@@yacobshelelshaddai4543 So it's ok to deny Adelaide a real goal that they fairly kicked, on the off chance that maybe Sydney would have kicked a goal against the flow of play? You realize for the quarter it was 37 points to 1, 12 scoring shots to 1.
@@yacobshelelshaddai4543 Easy the Swans had stopped no run in there legs and the crows were the team doing the scoring and after the goal the players were celebrating the goal after ten to twenty seconds they got the incorrect news and it shocked them. Like it would it was blattently clear the ball didn't touch the post at any stage of its journey.Ben keays would be devastated knowing he kicked the winning goal with just over a minute to go. Only to find out it was mistakedly ruled a behind. And teams can bounce back but coaches can lose their jobs at the end of a season like this, Nicks has done a great job this year only to realise all hope of finals are now dashed. 32 point lead at 3 quarter time only to be overun by a hungry crows outfit tells you all you need to know about the likely winner of this match.
The NHL's system is the best is sport, if the refs can't make a call it goes to the match centre in Toronto where they have better technology to make the right call. Sometimes this takes upwards of 5 mins but you know the right call is going to be made
Throughout most games there are countless potential free kicks missed, if a player had prior opportunity to dispose, was it high or did the player duck, how far players run with the ball without bouncing, in the back decisions and all the incidents that happen off the ball, we can’t go to a system that every contest is being reviewed, or a 3 hour game will turn into a 6 hour game
People saying either it’s the umpires fault or the technology’s fault, when clearly both are at fault, the technology is awful half the time because the frame rate of all but 1 camera is abysmal, sometimes the video evidence is clear and correct calls are made, but other times impossible to tell because of the blurry vision, which is then referred back to the umpire who wasn’t sure in the first place. Then you have the Adelaide situation where the umpire didn’t even call for a review, which the video evidence clearly would’ve overturned his call, it’s both humans and the technology that’s unbelievably flawed, and both need to be improved immensely as soon as possible, the only consistent thing about score review is snicko, this has screwed up the season beyond belief.
The most disgusting thing I've seen in football since the Filth Matthews did to Bruns a blight on our National Game worse still the eyes on the world on Australia at the time as the Women's World cup was on same Night ,shame shame shame
An umpire on the field can override another umpires decision and call play back, why can't a review umpire over ride the goal umpire if they have seen clear evidence within 10-20 seconds of the incident? Easy solution
The NHL system is what needs to be implemented, the score needs to still be reviewed and overturned while play goes on. Next stoppage, reset the clock and count the goal. That being said, while this incident the technology would have been sufficient enough to see the mistake. Other incidents over the past few years have shown the technology still has a LONG way to go to get it right more often then not
I agree, no matter how obvious the score is, goal, behind, touched, no score etc every score in every game should be reviewed and the arc overrule the goal umpire if it is incorrect. As a crows supporter I was so angry that this wasn't overturned, so are we at the point where we should just get rid of the goal umpires and let the arc confirm every score in every game for an entire season?
Seeing the fans footage from behind the goals WOW wtf it missed by a foot! and he had a clear view. That guy should be sacked immediately.
I understand we make mistakes but wtf did he see?? Delusional!
if this was south america that goal umpire would of been assasinated by now
Should be a given really
Lots of dodgy weak throw ins that seem to favour one team cant bounce the ball either
Love that it's the next blokes job and Gill has nothing to answer for despite overseeing this disgrace for at least 10 years
I mean I’m any business there always problems arising and the next person always has to look after it so it happens
Seems a tad unfair
He's got big hair. That's all that counts
Gills the most useless, overpaid, overvalued moron ceo in the history of the world!
All he cares about is his bonus and next job.
It’s why he can make stupid decisions like a garbage new broadcast deal and a 19th club while so many clubs are struggling because he knows he doesn’t have to actually deal with the consequences.
“The best angle is from a punter on their phone” sums up how much the AFL has actually invested into their VAR system, as opposed to other sporting bodies.
Gerard laid it out perfectly
The fancam behind the goals is damning!!
great vision and editing at the start, gave me chills and made me angry again
Maybe if the AFL wasn't so obsessed with the "flow" of the game they could actually make some correct calls! I like the idea of every score within the last 2mins to be reviewed.
This! They’re sacrificing the integrity of the scoreboard and game by wanting to have quick play ons and drama. But commentators complaining about goal reviews and length has been a problem too - they complain about reviews then complain when this indictment happens
@@imalwaysright 100 percent agree.
the integrity of the game has been dragged through the mud over the last 5 years, the implementation of new rules is even more shambolic than the review system
Whatever the AFL’s views are on politically or moral issues, they have no business pushing those views onto fans or players at anytime.
@@sweetsour6350 if it was woke, they'd reverse the decision or do a replay match or give Crows points or something else than the position they've taken. You tried it.
crows supporter here, never have i felt more upset and angry after a game, i was sitting in the nosebleeds of the riverbank stand, and it was a clear as day goal even from there, i actually can’t accept that the goal umpire could have possibly thought that was a point, utterly disgraceful
Don't get me started
Richmond vs Brisbane last year.
you need higher fps cameras for replays afl, the frame skips sometimes are too big.
All of this could be implemented and makes sense, there doesn't need to be a soft call, all goals can be reviewed immediately and if the umpire got it wrong they can ring the siren, stop play, call the correct score and reset the timer. Players/captains should also be able to call for a video review.
The only thing with Players & Captains calling for a review ... I can clearly see already in my mind that it will be used as a delaying tactic especially when it's a close game... Not allowing for the attacking side to try & move the ball quickly...
I do totally agree with everything else 👍👍👍
@@moocher9935Agree, it’s a grey area that essentially implements a “timeout” If there is a captain review, where teams can reset their structure. Not sure what the best option going forward is.
@@moocher9935 If you were to make it that the Captain only has 1 strike on a call for video review. Then if the request was determined to be a correct request, they keep their video request. If they are wrong about the request then they no longer can use it. Pretty simple way to make it so that it cant be abused.
@@Sterkleton_ again I agree to a point with your philosophy but again... If it's a tight game & the review has not been used then it could still be used as delaying tac tic
@@Sterkleton_the only fair way is that all goals get reviewed... don't want a goal to be reviewed, then don't let the opposition have a shot on goal. If you do then put up with a goal being reviewed.
Could have been 7 teams actively playing for a position in the eight. Due to one non-call to make use of a technology, only three teams will be fighting for a place in the eight.
If it was a Collingwood game there would still be rioting, and rightly so.
Exactly right. We would never have taken this laying down not a Fkn chance.
@@evehsv5556 Imagine if it happened to Collingwood in the Grand Final this year (if they get there). They'd burn the stadium down.
@@pcorf For sure Buddy. Do the right thing nothing happens do the wrong thing and chaos erupts. 😂😂😂
The new rule should be if it hits the post and goes in its a goal. If it hits the point posts and goes in its a point. If it hits any post and goes back on the field the ball stays in play. All that has to be reviewed then is that the ball has gone past the posts and that it has not been touched. If the umpire is not sure about it being touched then the call should be done by the review system. If that is not conclusive then its a goal. This minimizes umpire error and umpire manipulation.
100% agree, need to be removing the grey area from our game. To suspend the umpire over one bad call when there should be policies/procedures in place to prevent this from happening. 👍👍
Not a new idea… nevertheless its a great one… lets also introduce the SANFL last touch out of bounds off the boot… two grey areas that constantly upset the paying public..now if we could ever get the holding the ball/incorrect disposal rule fixed it would again be a great game…!
Imagine scores are level and you have a shot after the siren. Any score will win. You hit the goal post, it bounces back into play for no score and the game ends in a draw. Meanwhile, if you had shanked the kick a further 6 metres off line and it barely scraped in for a behind, you would have won. Doesn't that seem a little silly?
Just get rid of posts, if you then kick it over the boundary, anywhere on the oval, it's a goal! That would be as sensible as that idea.
@@mangoman2148 No that's not silly. In soccer the ball has to go into the goal. If it hits the post and goes in, its a goal. If it hits the post and bounces out it is no score. Simple. Most games that have Goal posts have these rules
HAPPENED AGAIN IN THE HAWKS GAME Dylan Moore looked like he kicked a goal and umpire called a point but it needed to be reviewed that's like the day after this one!!!
I’ve commented before and I’m still disgusted with this ( I’m a Blues supporter btw) it is not just the monumental error from the goal umpire, but the field umpires are not even spoken about. They would have seen how close this was and the manifestation of Crows players celebrations. So why in the fucking hell didn’t they have it looked at?
Because shitney
Two umpire mistakes cost Adelaide 2 games this year, and a finals appearance. They should be in the 8 now. It’s NOT GOOD enough! Even the NRL do it better with captains challenges and score reviews.
that's right, the AFL is so far behind the times and with so much money being made, that they can afford to improve the technology. It isn't just the Crows that have been robbed because of poor umpiring on the goal line, other teams have been screwed as well.
for a professional sport that is the AFL, these sorts of issues are sub-standard, and are in need of serious fixing, they cannot have fan footage that is far superior to their technology, as the optics of it is terrible.
It's not the umpiring decisions. Adelaide are still a developing team, and part of their development is needing to learn to play harder and tougher for longer. This is all part of a learning experience for them. If they are good enough they will benefit greatly from the setbacks that they have experienced this season. Look at what happened with Geelong a year or two later after they led all night in the 2005 Semi Final against the Swans in Sydney, only to have Nick Davis steal the lead off them and put the Swans in front with just seconds remaining. They won 3 flags from 4 Grand Final appearances in 5 years.
@@darrenmiles-morland8038that is called distraction and deflection - politicians try that on all the time.
I’m pissed.
yep, the AFL has been asleep at the wheel on this for 15 years, now the bus has crashed and Adelaide have to pay the price.
Crows had 3 games lost by goal reviews showing not touched but the review comes back as touched. Then there was the last Collingwood game should have got a blatant free kick in front of goal but was ignored. Such a crock. The team that beats all the top team gets screwed by AFL all the damn time.
Considering I am a Collingwood supporter, I feel for them. A team that never gets frees in their forward 50m and could win the flag with their young squad. Ah well Lucky they didn't make it in!
Yeah us Crows could of done some damage
don't blame the umpire, blame this pretend system that is fundamentally flawed on many levels
your on what he didnt use the system you fool
Yeah the decision to put a multi million dollar league in the hands of one persons eyes
Couldn't agree more! And for Gill to say it wasn't a system error, it was a human error is bullshit. The system is there to remove the human error and it failed
@@Gazman67exactly!! Because they don’t review behinds because they want to make the game faster and higher scoring. Idiots!!
@@bayden99Gil’s presser was poor. The (current) system is flawed, so it was both system and human error
Seriously, this has been a problem for years and should have been addressed at the beginning as the pictures look almost like a child's painting. It never was good enough and the system was never good enough, but now that it has affected a teams finals chances, it has become an issue. This was always going to happen, should have been addressed from the start.
I am a Carlton supporter and in the previous weeks match against Melbourne the disallowed goal from Petracca in the final minute looked like it was a goal. If the technology was up to scratch in a multi billion dollar industry, this would have probably been resolved the right way. Marchbank may have touched it but he will be the only one who really knows for sure. Technically (very technically) the field umpire could have paid a free to Marchbank for chopping of the arm however, I think if it was (and probably should have been) called a goal, I would have had no issues with that.
I would, Marchbank isn't a liar.
the thing is the soft call was a point and they couldn't tell wheteher its been touched or not so its not a dissallowed goal as the soft call was touched
The AFL has to implement the same system as association football/soccer. The fact that not only all goals are reviewed but potential penalties, disallowed goals and red card challenges can all be reviewed while normal play resumes shows that the system can and does work when implemented correctly. This has to happen in 2024. No excuses.
The worst part is the AFL hasn't acknowledged or even posted this apology on their social media pages. I understand that Matthew Nicks doesn't want to be a pessimist and say we lost it in the 1st and 2nd quarter and not blame the umpires, but the reality is we won the game and only lost due to this monstrosity of an error BY the umpires.
The Afl can't afford to have the Swans miss the finals.
Swans make finals every year
Too bad don’t cheat to get the result you want. Should’ve overturned it the minute they admitted it was a mistake.
Don’t put down to malice what can be easily explained by incompetence.
Yes, because the afl often alters the scores of games because of umpiring mistakes . They should what they usually do when an umpire makes a mistake, add a goal to one of the teams. Otherwise they are corrupt. 🤡
Yep, the AFL asked North to mess up their interchange, and then said to the goal umpire that if it goes close to automatically call it a point… (far easier to blame a conspiracy than actually think about it).
Cricket has the review system right. In the hands of the captain of the offended side, as it bloody well should be!
Tom Hickey knew that was a goal 😮
I have never been an Adelaide supporter, but, the AFL in its jurisdiction and ? wisdom, should have overruled the decision and given the 4 points to the Crows. Even the crowd at the far end saw this as a goal.
There was over a minute to go… ridiculous comment. If it was the last play then yes.
maybe should replay the match? what do you think the solution is?@@jamescaldwell7396
It's a sports betting nightmare also
It's probably useless speculation, but I wonder what would have happened if this scenario was repeated for a big Victorian club. I doubt if 'Oops, sorry chaps, move on' would cut it.
It literally happened to Melbourne the week before. Goal was called touched in the dying moments when it wasn’t. Cost Melbourne the game
Afl fined a club 100k for not properly doing concussion tests.
How much should afl have to pay for not correctly doing a review?
The phone behind the goals being the best footage is not correct. The first angle they showed in this video it was clearly a goal, if they reviewed that, the technology would have got it right!
All this talk! So SIMPLE to fix! Thru the goal...ITS A GOAL...touch post or not! No time wasting on reviews, no mistakes!
The Crows are entitled to compensation under the law, it is a walk-up start finished win case. I believe if the Crows CEO does not want to pursue this case then he needs to step down from his position or be dismissed. Any other out come is un acceptable and Crows fans could boycott future AFL matches. Negligence, it has happened before therefore it was foreseeable in the future and the AFL has done nothing to remedy. clear cut negligence.
Definitely should be checks on any suspicious bank transactions for both the goal umpire and field umpire. The way the goal umpire was so quick on the signal seemed really suspicious to me. I'm no crows fan either!
I also saw many boundary throw ins that favoured sydney on the western wing by the same umpire its in a lot of games
Nah for games like this the last 5 mins all close scores should be reviewed. I don’t care if it takes another 20 mins
We still talk about the marchbank call but people don’t talk about van rooyen chopping his arm which you can’t do so would’ve been a free kick anyway
AFL need a VAR, the ability to check goals well after the fact, and far more cameras and better slowmo
Im done with the AFL and gone back to local footy where they really need and appreciate the support. Vote with your wallets and purses.
I've been saying this for years
Even at the bare minimum they need the goal line camera to be 4K 60fps. You need better frame by frame slow motion. RUclipsrs have better camera equipment.
Chiefs v Bengals Championship Game last season the teams ran another play before the referee made a correction and reset the clock. Thats what should happen in the AFL.
What about the Jeremy Cameron goal against Collingwood when he got hand balled the ball while standing a meter or so over the boundary, does the AFL only care about umpiring decisions if they happen in the final stages and directly affect who wins
Gerard used the word "unacceptable", but everyone is being asked to accept it. Perhaps not going forward, but for the rnd 23 game.
The best thing to do would be to remove the four points from Sydney and replay the match on the weekend before the finals.....but we know the AFL won't do that.
Great idea. Or golden point so the teams can rest up still
@@spaceballs2462 Also, unless there is BLATANT evidence that the ball hit the post (e.g. deviation of trajectory) or was touched (e.g. visible movement of fingers or deviation of trajectory), it should always be called a goal.
Anything inconclusive should be a GOAL, this would stop anything like this from happening.
NOT HAPPY JAN!
Give the crows the 4 points and move on. An apology is not enough.
A multi billion dollar sport to worried about political issues instead of having a world class review system.
Correct getting involved in things that the have no right to. just fn woke B/S
Exactly, too busy shoving left-wing politics down peoples' throats instead of focusing on the game.
We have a league that has a poor score review system.
We have a league that has unfair draws towards certain clubs.
We have a league that make a team play home game 80kms away from home.
We have a league we're home games are not really home games at times.
We have a league that favours a certain clubs supporters .
It's cooked. The whole thing.
AFL created this mess, Changed the rules around kick in's (dont have to wait for the white flag from both umps). An absolute mess and the AFL will give some under the table deal to keep Adelaide quiet
Yup! 100%. We can’t allow 20seconds of down time while umpires confer or a ball is run back to the centre.
I don't remember the Crows compaining about the umpiring in the 1997 semi final, when the umpires were heavily in their favor, including the Leigh Colbert mark.
Technology didn't exist then to fix that, now it does, and they don't use it, that's the issue.
Jordan is right, what if this happens again in a final, which is possible. They will have to tweak a rule.
So why wasn't human error allowed for the concussion testing? Fined the club any player should now,be able to use human error as an excuse when reported. Good enough for Gill to use that excuse why can't everyone else?
And also the tigers vs lions that final in 2022
Tom lych goal. Tigers should of won that match as it didn’t hit the post
Yeah but it went over the post meaning it hit the post. Was a point the moment he decided not to kick a drop punt from 10m out.
ITS SIMPLE! Review all goals and all behinds. Problem solved. Also buy some proper slow motion cameras!!
They don’t review behinds because they want to make the game quicker in the hopes it will be higher scoring , attract more fans and make more money. It’s all about money. Forget the money review the behinds get good cameras and cut the bullshit.
The afl should have had the balls to overturn the games result. Complete bullshit.
GET RID of Hitting The Post Rule It s 2023 They Talk About Getting Rid Of Centre Bounces WAKE UP AFL Adelaide Should Protest
these stuff ups have happened far too often not only in this season to multiple other teams, but also in prior seasons, the AFL have enough money to imrpove the tech, such as having a hotspot system in place to ensure that the ball either doesn't touch the player, or hits the post. In the case of the Adelaide Crows, having cameras pointing downwards from the top of each goalpost.
that anything close like that should immediately be sent upstairs, the reality is, this is meant to be a professional sport, these sorts of things are not good enough, which brings into play, that the AFL should allow for each team to instigate score reviews tactically, which could be a couple of score reviews per quarter, and to have a single decision review for wrong calls or non-calls anywhere on the field.
for a professional sport, the umpiring at times has been shocking, having player reviews, would most likely make the umpires be a little more careful about their decisions, for a professional sport, having umpiring this bad at times, is simply not good enough, it has happened far too often this season, and in prior seasons, too many teams have been screwed over by terrible umpiring.
I'd be demanding replaying the 70 seconds. Blind freddy could tell that was a goal. Hate the crows with a passion but cant have that
So if the Gil and the rest of the AFL are truly sorry about this, why don’t they implement something NOW to make sure this injustice does not happen again. I’m willing to bet that they implement nothing of worth before finals or before next week. Nothing. So are they truly sorry and are they willing to do something? No they’re not. It’s all shallow public talk. The question remains…Why can’t they do something this year? What is stopping them? Incompetence, laziness? Yeah, probably
They suspend the goal umpires, what about the three central umpires, or do they have vision problems, so get off?
#Award1stRoundDraftPicks - AFL make this right. Award compensation first round picks to Adelaide for multiple stuffups and all the other hardships you have forced this club to endure since it's existence.
Accountability, great. Weldone AFL. Where is the compensation?
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Do u think the goal ump getting a senior game this weekend ?
He’s been stood down
What about the high speed motion cameras MythBusters were using 20 plus years ago??!!
Gerard Whately has my heart
How is it not like the NRL, where the ARC is always watching and it's reviewed automatically?
They need vairicams on the goal line, 8K high res slow mo... AFL is a tight ass.
Corruption of the highest level. Be interesting to see who the goal up supports
It’s not corruption, it’s just blinkered inaction. The only thing keeping it there is that it screws over every team - but this is bigger than any other so they surely can’t sit on their hands any longer.
Many of the boundary throw ins favoured sydney , particularly western side not hard to see
Quite simply should have been checked. I don't think it matters who you support you have to call this an absolute disgrace. The AFL HAS TO compensate the Crows for this and compensate very heavily.
Sidebar: That was a great video package.
It has been flagged all year that this technology or lack of, will cost a team their place in the final.. Well here it is, shattering.
I still haven't heard a convincing argument as to why they can't reverse the decision and award the win to Adelaide. Both teams would then still have a chance at making the finals. In fact we'd end up with a crazy final round, with Adelaide, Sydney, Geelong, Bulldogs, GWS, Richmond and Essendon all battling for the final two spots in the 8. I would have thought the AFL would love that scenario.
The convincing argument is that it wasn't after the siren. Correctly called a goal, Adelaide would have been in front with just over a minute to play. Overturning the decision would have denied Sydney that time to try to score a goal in response.
You can't undo unfairness to one side by creating unfairness for another.
The mistake was made with 1 minute and twenty seconds to go. Its called being rational.
@@bookgrub Yeah but Adelaide have already been denied a certain goal. If Sydney is denied a potential goal, then that's much fairer. Don't forget, Adelaide were also denied the chance to score another goal from stoppage, and they were smashing Sydney in that area by that stage of the game. Instead the behind gave Sydney possession of the ball and an easy run up the wing, putting them in a much better position than a center bounce would have. They scored 1 point for the whole quarter, I don't think they were going to buck that trend and nail a goal, especially if Adelaide flooded back which of course they would do.
@@paulmatters2641 Being rational was thrown out the window the moment the umpire made the wrong call and didn't review it. So we should look for the least bad outcome. As for that 1 minute and twenty (it was actually 1:11), what makes you think Sydney would have scored a goal when they could only manage a single point for the whole quarter? Don't forget, Sydney chose to play on quickly to take advantage of all the crows players being on one side of the ground, so they got more advantage from the decision than just the missed goal.
Because the rules of the game are clear - outcomes are final, with rare exception (like siren drama). That’s why no court challenge would work
I thought the Carlton v melb deck was bad.. this is appalling
Put a sensor inside the footy. You will be able to check if a ball has been touched or hit the post.
Why don't they go to a review system if the game is that close and in the final minutes of s game?
With the AFL pushing supporters into betting on games who becomes responsible for the monies lost due to the failures. With the amount of money bookies are making on games how much is being offered to officials to fix results? That one decision wasn't the only questionable one made by umpires that cost Adelaide's the game. It was almost like the AFL wanted the Crows to lose.
As far as i am concerned if it has been proven that it was a goal the points should be awarded to the Crows you have too. You can’t come out in full admission and say yes it was a goal and do nothing about it except stand the goal umpire down are you serious? This is finals the mistake was admitted it’s only right you have to rectify the score board.
Protest Crow supporters go off your heads. This is disgraceful.
Can't do that because there was still over a minute of play left. If it was correctly called a goal, Sydney still would've had plenty of time to get back in front.
The logical solution would be to replay the match on the weekend before the finals. 4 quarters......but the AFL won't do that.
@@rhysh2639 swans couldn't BUY a goal in that last quarter everyone knows they were not scoring again. fancy being happy at winning when they lost
@@tmspooner whether they could "buy" a goal or not, it still wouldn't be fair to give the Crows the win. There was still over a minute left on the clock. Different story if there was like 3 seconds left.
@@rhysh2639 you maybe right but was it fair to the crows?
@@tmspooner I never said it was fair to the Crows....but unfortunately that's footy.
As a Collingwood supporter, we were screwed by the umps in last year's preliminary final against Sydney. They kept getting 50 metre penalties, while we weren't being paid frees for blatant infringements by the Swans. Papley had a shot at goal (that he successfully kicked) that he should've never had in the first place, towards the end of the game. Free kicks also weren't being paid to Jack Ginnivan, CLEAR infringements.
It was clear that the AFL wanted a Geelong V Sydney Grand Final, so the umps did whatever they could to get them over the line. It sucks...but it's just the way it is.
Our slow start that game, didn't help matters either!
For those of us that remember having to play the Crows at Football Park in the 90's, it's ironic that they are now complaining about umpiring.
Sirengate, they overturned the descison, why arent they doing it now? The precident was set then, whats changed now? The ceo has come out and said its a goal, so it should have been a goal. Crows need to fight this so much more! Afl needs to pay crows a massive fine and more than justvan apology. As a pies fan that was at the game, its an absolute joke!
While I agree about Sirengate, the conditions were different. Sirengate was about play continuing after the final siren sounded and shots for goal after that final siren sounded. For this match, there was still over a minute to play, and there would have been a different setup and positioning with that much time left. You’re looking at a kick in from a point versus a center bounce clearance, 6-6-6, and then getting numbers back to defend. The time left makes all the difference.
Install light curtains into the goal posts like the safety ones on machinery, surely theres a safety mob who can design one exclusively for AFL
Should have been overturned.
If it was richmond it would be glossed over as a point nothing to see here
Exactly the same thing happened the next day, Hawks vs Melbourne. In the second quarter with 2mins to go, Dylan Moore kicks what looks like a goal, the goal umpire doesn't review and play just carries on...
Yes..thank you....nothing has been said about that one.
Only 1 replay shown and daisy pearce stats "oh there seems to be a deflation"....oh really show it again.
Big difference is Crows lost a spot in the finals.
@@tommywm24no they didn’t, their spot wasn’t guaranteed u muppet, now go cry
Knowing that it was a mistake i cant understand how they cant overide the loss and give the Crows the win. We all know the swans were cooked the crows ran over the top of the swans.
Because there was still a minute left duhh how can you claim a crows win?!?
@@yacobshelelshaddai4543 So it's ok to deny Adelaide a real goal that they fairly kicked, on the off chance that maybe Sydney would have kicked a goal against the flow of play? You realize for the quarter it was 37 points to 1, 12 scoring shots to 1.
@@yacobshelelshaddai4543 Easy the Swans had stopped no run in there legs and the crows were the team doing the scoring and after the goal the players were celebrating the goal after ten to twenty seconds they got the incorrect news and it shocked them. Like it would it was blattently clear the ball didn't touch the post at any stage of its journey.Ben keays would be devastated knowing he kicked the winning goal with just over a minute to go. Only to find out it was mistakedly ruled a behind. And teams can bounce back but coaches can lose their jobs at the end of a season like this, Nicks has done a great job this year only to realise all hope of finals are now dashed. 32 point lead at 3 quarter time only to be overun by a hungry crows outfit tells you all you need to know about the likely winner of this match.
It’s a circus 🤡
The NHL's system is the best is sport, if the refs can't make a call it goes to the match centre in Toronto where they have better technology to make the right call. Sometimes this takes upwards of 5 mins but you know the right call is going to be made
They have to consider a cricket style number of decision reviews allowed per game .
Throughout most games there are countless potential free kicks missed, if a player had prior opportunity to dispose, was it high or did the player duck, how far players run with the ball without bouncing, in the back decisions and all the incidents that happen off the ball, we can’t go to a system that every contest is being reviewed, or a 3 hour game will turn into a 6 hour game
I wish you guys put the same effort and money into getting good hosts as you do for your movie trailer intros into each segment
thanks a pretty handy comment (see if you can figure that out)
People saying either it’s the umpires fault or the technology’s fault, when clearly both are at fault, the technology is awful half the time because the frame rate of all but 1 camera is abysmal, sometimes the video evidence is clear and correct calls are made, but other times impossible to tell because of the blurry vision, which is then referred back to the umpire who wasn’t sure in the first place.
Then you have the Adelaide situation where the umpire didn’t even call for a review, which the video evidence clearly would’ve overturned his call, it’s both humans and the technology that’s unbelievably flawed, and both need to be improved immensely as soon as possible, the only consistent thing about score review is snicko, this has screwed up the season beyond belief.
Absolute disgrace. Time to drain the VFL swamp
cricket, has high def, ultra high frame rate replays where you can see a fleas arse on the ball. in afl its a shaky cam with Vaseline over the lens.
It is a relatively simple fix... No soft calls. They are all considered goals unless proven otherwise.
Exactly, e.g. deviation of trajectory or visible movement of fingers if touched, if it cannot be proven, it's a GOAL.
Why not make the Goal posts Light up in a neon colour whenever the ball hits it. But should a player hit the post than have the review team look at it
The most disgusting thing I've seen in football since the Filth Matthews did to Bruns a blight on our National Game worse still the eyes on the world on Australia at the time as the Women's World cup was on same Night ,shame shame shame
AFL stuffed up and now the 2023 season doesn't even matter.
An umpire on the field can override another umpires decision and call play back, why can't a review umpire over ride the goal umpire if they have seen clear evidence within 10-20 seconds of the incident? Easy solution
The NHL system is what needs to be implemented, the score needs to still be reviewed and overturned while play goes on. Next stoppage, reset the clock and count the goal.
That being said, while this incident the technology would have been sufficient enough to see the mistake. Other incidents over the past few years have shown the technology still has a LONG way to go to get it right more often then not
Agreed this is the only logical solution
The arc should always make the decision, no soft call.
I agree, no matter how obvious the score is, goal, behind, touched, no score etc every score in every game should be reviewed and the arc overrule the goal umpire if it is incorrect. As a crows supporter I was so angry that this wasn't overturned, so are we at the point where we should just get rid of the goal umpires and let the arc confirm every score in every game for an entire season?
Bro using the music from Dunkirk for an AFL montage lol