The Trivialization of Men's Rape on Television
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- Опубликовано: 25 июн 2024
- Warning: this video discusses rape and sexual assault. Though no clips are shown, some instances of rape on TV are discussed for context. Please check out the resources on consent and sexual assault below.
Wikipedia article on male rape: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_of...
Vox article on Bridgerton rape scene: www.vox.com/22194033/bridgert...
Vanity Fair article on Bridgerton rape scene: www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/...
Newsweek article on reaction to Bridgerton rape scene: www.newsweek.com/bridgerton-n...
9 Resources for Sexual Assault Survivors: www.bustle.com/articles/18212...
What is Sexual Consent? www.plannedparenthood.org/lea...
T I M E S T A M P S
0:00 Intro
2:06 The Duke and I
4:17 Pretty Little Liars
7:25 The ‘Bed Trick’ in Shakespeare
9:03 Game of Thrones
13:30 Outlander’s Male Rape…But With a Catch
14:20 THAT Scene on Bridgerton
18:29 What It All Means 
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UPDATE: After I posted this video, the creator of Bridgerton doubled down on the inclusion of the rape scene as an important part of Daphne's "journey," which is absolutely disgusting and inexcusable. I also saw on Tumblr while I was searching for posts on this issue that the TV series Once Upon a Time also included MULTIPLE female-on-male rapes that were never addressed. I have never seen the show, but here is an article I found about that as well: www.themarysue.com/once-upon-a-time-rape-problem/
THANK YOU. I can't tell you how disturbed I was about Regina's rapiness on OUaT, and nobody else seemed to care.
Overall, there's a mentality of "every guy wants sex all the time, so he's fine" about male rape, and it makes me ragey too.
For sure. And Regina is still beloved. Ugh.
Once Upon a Time had rape scenes? I thought the show was rated G.
@@angelsmusic2560 It was never shown, but there was a lot of "take the prisoner to my bedchamber" [evil smirk], or people disguising themselves as someone's spouse/lover, or implanting memories in people to make them THINK they were someone else's spouse/lover... it was all done in a magical fairy-tale-ish way, so that made it look less rape-y for a lot of the audience.
@@Faye_L I am so naive. That is what 'take the prisoner to my bed chamber" means?
I was so angry at the rape scene in episode 6 of Bridgerton. It's so gross that the show creator justified it as part of Daphne showing female agency and being "empowered". It's not empowering or feminist and she abuses power to take away Simon's agency and consent. I haven't watched the other shows but you outlined them so well and with such clarity. This was such an articulate and nuanced video essay, and it was super clear and engaging. I love your whole vibe. Have liked and subscribed.
As a victim of several sexual assaults, I appreciate your objectivity. In my early twenties, within a period of 2 years, I was raped twice by two different people. But when you're a guy, you're normally conditioned to be 'tough' and to show no emotion. But this tends to backfire... Horribly. I tried to commit suicide 3 times, began to abuse alcohol, and actually became bipolar over the traumas. And because of my conditioning, I was too ashamed to report them (I know this applies to both men and women. And I'm still ashamed to even talk about it. This is actually very hard). And now, 2 rapists got away with it, which still bothers me 8 years later (have they raped someone else?) You never fully heal, either -- it changes you forever.
I’m so sorry to hear that.
Please report them ASAP. Don't do it for yourself. Do it to stop those rapists from raping.
You're so brave for sharing this. I'm so sorry for your traumatic experiences.
I hope you have had psychological help too. Therapy helps. It's not the magical answer, but it helps.
@@danielandrews1801 How? I don't even know who they are.
@@BlankName88 True. Apologies. I hope you've been getting counseling.
“I wonder if it would have been handled differently if Jamie was raped by an attractive woman.” In Outlander season 4 (I believe) Jamie’s nephew Ian is raped by an attractive woman, when he talks to Jamie about it he is clearly traumatized (he has a flashback and a panic attack) and Jamie comforts him. Ian even brings up how he got physically aroused and is assured that didn’t mean he consented (though different words are used). It’s the only show I know of that has addressed this specific issue.
THAT’S RIGHT!! Ugh thank you I completely forgot about that storyline
Yes, that was a great season. Men also feel that is not rape. But, it is.
@@jackiereadsandwritesI would like to remind you that Jamie did also get raped by a woman in Season 3(?). William's mother blackmailed Jamie into sleeping with her after he initially refused. She threatened to expose his identity, which would have gotten him executed. I really admire how Outlander treated its male rape victims, but it's hard to tell where they stood on that one. The lack of closure could be because the woman died soon after and then there was like a 10 year time skip, so there's not really anywhere for that storyline to go. Still, it would have been nice if they had acknowledged it past Jamie saying it "wasn't a matter of love between them."
Just read an article about how the Bridgerton series handled the rape scene and I am so infuriated and disgusted!! So glad you talked about this!
Thanks. Honestly, when I filmed this video, my blood was still boiling. I was genuinely angry and upset. Yes it’s just a TV show but it’s important not to endorse this behavior, and the surrounding discourse online goes to show how badly education on consent is lacking.
@@jackiereadsandwrites my thoughts exactly!
Episode six absolutely soured Daphne and Simon's relationship for me. I also hated that the show framed what Daphne did as justified because Simon lied to her. Simon is the one who is made to change and conform to what Daphne wants. Daphne's actions are never presented as reprehensible and she never reflects on what she did and that it is wrong. She does not even apologize to Simon, whereas he is made to apologize for lying to her. Very, very gross.
I got raped and molested by my dad more times than I can count growing up. The way male rape is depicted in media really deterred me from coming forward. I finally disclosed it to my mom and sister when I was 24 and I am now considering going to the police.
i'm so sorry that happened to you, and i hope you get the justice you deserve
i am absolutely disgusted by the fact that the assault in Bridgerton is looked over so much, especially now that it's so popular. It's so sad to see people justify what happened... I cannot understand why Netflix would want to adapt the book in the first place.
They produced Cuties so don't be surprised by Netflix.
I reread The Duke and I years after first reading it as a teenager when the trailer for Bridgerton came out and was so enraged by the rape scene that I quit the book and had a discussion with all my male friends, each ending with "but I am confident they are not going to do this in the series, we're in 2020 after all". Well, I watched episode 6 yesterday and COULD NOT BELIEVE WHAT I SAW. Thank you for making this video!
It is okay that simon did not want children. As a traumatised man with emotional issues it’s a wise choice.
He said he cannot have children, he pulled out. Daphne KNEW why he pulled out.
what was she expecting from him as a father anyway? it's not like he would be a good one with his whole "i'd hate having kids" thing. I mean, there's almost nothing good you can expect from a parent who didn't want to have kids.
Right like after it happened I how did he just suddenly become okay with the fact that she was pregnant with his child and that’s he’s gonna be a father..? It’s been a while since I watched it so maybe I forgot how they resolved that issue if they did 😅
Thank you for making this. I don’t know why this isn’t being discussed more. Subscribed x
The episode doesn't even have the "This episode contains sexual abuse scenes" warning!
You should do Vampire Diaries, that show is a hotbed of s*xual assault. This includes acts towards men that get’s brushed over.
It’s also why I hate the Delena ship. And why I don’t like how people are more willing to call out Damon but not Katherine, who’s a popular female character to the fans - even to me, even though she is a r*pist as well.
WARNING! Rant coming on
1. Jeremy Gilbert and Vicki Donavon
• The brother of Elena Gilbert, the protagonist, is Jeremy. He is fourteen to fifteen years old in season 1, while Vicki (the love interest) is eighteen to nineteen.
> The two slept with each other over the summer which is statutory due to age
> The “relationship” started after Jeremy lost his parents and he found “happiness” with Vicki - who I think just took advantage of him and his grief
• There was shock when people found out, but not because of the legality of it which I hated
2. Katherine is a r*pist
> Physically, Katherine and Stefan are the same age. The relationship started off consensual until Stefan found out what Katherine was, a vampire
> Stefan was raised to believe that vampires were monsters. When Katherine revealed herself, he reacted in kind. But Katherine compelled him to continue their relationship, which changed everything
> While Stefan probably would’ve gotten over it, blinded by love, Katherine made it so we’ll never know. She used compulsion to make him unafraid and continue on like nothing happened. From that point on, their relationship wasn’t consensual anymore. Stefan was forced to accept her and continue on their s*xual relationship.
3. Damon is a r*pist (Statutory & literal)
> Statutory: Caroline is 17 in season 1 while Damon is physically around 25
> Literal: Mundane front - When Damon revealed his vampiric nature, Caroline freaked out. We all know she wouldn’t want to continue, but it is implied that Damon kept going because she woke up in completely different underwear (In episode 2 it was purple, but in episode 3 she woke up in blue ones).
> Literal: Supernatural front - Damon used mind compulsion to use Andie Starr, as a sex toy and as a soundboard/therapist. Nothing about that disgusting relationship was consensual or healthy.
• I would also like to add that when Katherine broke his heart and Damon went to Elena for “comfort”, he killed Jeremy (Elena’s brother) for Elena saying NO to his advances
4. Damon is just plain abusive. He manipulates and *belittles* Caroline constantly, causing her to eventually break down. We could see how much Damon messed with her mind. When Care got her memories back, she even said it “I remember how you used me, abused me”
Thank you for this material, I was looking for a reaction to this scene on the Internet, I also discussed it with my friends, we will need more critical material on rape, it's very necessary.
This scene totally caught me off guard. As it was going on, I was shocked, eager to see what was going to happen (I had never read the books), and when it finished, I knew SOMETHING was wrong, but my mind didn't immediately say, "THAT WAS RAPE". It was only after a few minutes, when I processed it in my head, I was like, "Holy shit, she just raped him!" I just flipped the sexes in my head; what if Simon wanted kids, and Daphne didn't? What if he had forced himself upon her instead? Simon's only error was lying to Daphne, in saying that he "cannot" rather than he "will not" -- and yet, that is something that should have been solved by them TALKING. PLUS, the show BARELY places any blame on Daphne's mother, who did the absolute WORST job at explaining the biology of sex. Daphne was naive, but it was not Simon's responsibility to make sure that she was educated on these basics! She should have told him, "I'm not sure how this whole conception thing works, let's talk about it before we have sex."
Plus, it absolutely boiled my blood, where, once Daphne comes up with her plan to impregnate herself, she lays it on THICK to seduce Simon. The idea of someone using sex as a WEAPON like that, and taking advantage of your partner's trust, just made me furious. When you are intimate with someone, you are placing in them an enormous amount of trust, knowing that maintaining objectivity can be difficult once you get going. That's why Simon didn't throw Daphne off of him, even though he easily could have; she sexually seduced him with the INTENT of raping him, and he went along with it at first, because he didn't know. In some ways, it's scarier than if Simon was to be jumped and raped by a complete stranger, because Daphne actually lured him in like a snake.
Thank you for this video. This has been bothering me for a few days. Regarding the show, I don't know if you have finished it, but the final episodes do not address Daphne's wrongdoing at all.
I coudn't agree more with you, I'm so tired of seeing this and thinking of all the men that will never come forth with their abuse because their abuser was a "attractive woman" and therefore woudn't be taken seriously.
I wish that every person working on the television and film industry would watch this video and actually understand what it truly means to dismiss a rape scene as unimportant or unconsequential.
It's bad enough that the people behind the show and the show itself does not address the issue as wrong, but the fact that they are justifying it is despicable and a slap in the face to male victims and survivors. Although Simon lied about his ability to produce children and took advantage of her naïvity when it comes to sex, it is inexcusable and absolutely horrendous to portray Daphne as the victim as she could have sit down as a mature person and talk it out with him to see how they can proceed past his deceit instead of bloody raping him. The fact that people think that this was not rape makes me loose hope in humanity. Even news article call it a "controversial sex scene" and not a rape scene shows how little respect society has for male survivors.
This was also something that happened when Midsommar came out. Everyone was celebrating Dani’s choice to ditch Christian for cheating on him when he was clearly assaulted. Don’t get me wrong, Christian was trash but he was drugged and led into the cabin and couldn’t give consent.
So glad to see this covered. Couldn’t believe how Bridgerton just glossed over that shit.
Yeah thanks for talking about Bridgerton's Duke. That shit pissed me tf off. And she had the NERVE to say that she was betrayed. Like. No ma'am. I dropped that show so hard after Daphne kept painting herself as a victim. Fuck that.
Pop Culture Detective made two excellent videos on how male rape is treated like a joke in the mainstream media. “Don’t drop the soap” is a common phrase that’s basically a prison rape joke. It’s so common, even kid’s shows use it.
I just watched Bridgeton (I know I'm super late). I can't believe people were so gaga over this show. Their whole relationship was toxic and she 100% assaulted him. It confuses me that people are acting like this show is so great.
The treatment of Toby has bothered me for YEARS thank you for talking about this
I really wish I had stopped watching after this scene, I had hoped for a resolution but it just got worse. Now my full viewership of the show is unfortunately going to contribute to the second season of this show.
Point Number One: THANK YOU for addressing this. Not enough people are addressing this.
Point Number Two: Oh, Bridgerton. While I don't necessarily agree with your opinion to outright remove the rape scene from episode 6 (as it is unfortunately used as a plot point), it definitely could have been dealt with/written much better than it was. The fact that everyone was just thrown into that episode with no trigger warning prior to or offer of resources for sexual assault survivors afterward was reprehensible. That they chose to include that scene knowing that it was problematic and yet left the percentage of the viewers who were very likely triggered by that scene to just ~deal with it~ was reprehensible.
Point Number Three: Don't finish the series. Daphne and Simon's storyline doesn't get any better. I finished the series hoping that *someone* (just anyone, really) would come back around to the issue of the rape and the fallout after it and deal with it properly.... and then they just somehow ended up spinning out into a happy ending by the last episode and it left me reeling.
Thank you so much for talking about this ❤️❤️❤️
This makes me concerned about how society will be in 6 years when I become an adult male. Black people don't really ever talk about this, but it is a very big issue.
Thank you so much for talking about this subject.
this is an old video, but I couldn't watch Bridgerton after that scene. I was disgusted and couldn't believe so many women, probably some of the same ones (rightfully) talking about sex assault and marital grape, were just taking it so trivially and calling it "sexy" and suchlike. I got suuuuper angry as well and immediately went to the internet to see if folks were feeling the same :(
I had heard about the Duke and I and wanted to read it after watching the Netflix trailer (planning on watching it later on). I started reading 3 days ago and just came across the rape scene literally 5 minutes ago and decided to close the book to never open it again. I am so discusted and so shaken up. This hit wait too close to home and seeing it treated the way it was was just... The simple fact that he was drunk made it impossible for him to give his enlighted consent, which mean she'd already raped him before forcing him to conceive. The subject of marital rape is a serious one and you certainly wouldn't want to romantize it (I guess without reading the rest of the book that he will forgive her and that they will live happilly ever after). Rape is not forgivable and a series containing this type of message should literally be forbidden.
I'll have to add that the character of Daphne, in the book looks as if she's empowering herself while raping her husband : her being on top of him and everything, finally being in control of her sexuality... In Interviews the producers seemed to justify what she's done it because during those times women were viewed as fragile and that it was her taking her revenge, like swapping roles, showing how strong she was... Like... Can I just... Puke?!! This is all so wrong... 🤢
I hope everyone who has been raped finds someone sympathetic to talk to. I wrote a novel that has sexual assault of men in it and I hope I dealt with it in a sensitive manner. It's from the POV of the victim, he doesn't just get over it, it seriously injures him emotionally, and he is raped by a woman but people don't treat it like it's something he should want.
Outlander deals with Young Ian going through the same thing.
Later, Jamie talks to him about what he's gone through.
I feel like I have to point out. Outlander has too many rape scenes, but they treat it seriously and with respect, I believe.
Yes, someone else in the comments already reminded me about the storyline! I totally forgot. My bad.
This is old, but great video. I’m glad you talked about this because not enough people do.
Good video thank you for making this video. There are very few resources about it.
While I can see the argument of the setting or naivety of certain characters affecting the illustration or manner in dealing with the aftermath. Such as the rape victim not expressing the trauma they went through outright, or it even being resolved in a distasteful way. But that still should require emphasis, nuance, and focus that it did have some obvious affect. A subject such as sexual assault is deserving of that respect.
Ultimately, anyone who’s judgement isn’t in someway severely impaired should be able to recognize the concept of their actions not being wanted and therefore wrong. Especially in regards to something as valued as sexuality and procreation. Simons phrasing of can’t instead of won’t is an issue. But isn’t necessarily even a lie since he can’t have children because of the vow. The emphasis on that point as justification is horribly disgusting and speaks volumes of the people defending it.
What’s very bothersome due to the implications of such changes, is the racial aspect you mentioned. Bridgerton altered the race of Sophia Charlotte, an actual historical figure who contrary to popular belief wasn’t black. To justify changing the race of several characters who also weren’t black in the books. That in itself irritates me because every race is relevant, not simply what is considered important by the standards of social politics. A change that isn’t handled properly in regards to depth and characterization given the explicit world building at play.
www.vox.com/22215076/bridgerton-race-racism-historical-accuracy-alternate-history
However, the fact that one of these racially changed characters, is the one in particular that got unapologetically raped adds another level of toxicity to the creators choices. To make matters worse, from what I’ve read about it, the book actually framed her as in the wrong and apologetic. Not as greatly as they should’ve, but it was an obstacle worked through as opposed to the show forcing the narrative of her justification.
Something also recent but on the topic of men’s rape is Wonder Woman 1984. The deceased love interests reintroduction into the story includes the possession of a unnamed man. There are several issues with this, such as the idea of taking over his life. Basically, manipulating and killing this uninformed innocent man. As well as Wonder Woman having sex, fully aware of the circumstances and by extension raping him due to his inability to give consent. None of these issues are ever addressed. This scenario is entirely created for the film, not canon to any comic that im aware of. Nor does it add anything to the plot. Like Bridgerton, many attempt to disgustingly defend it.
I’ve luckily never been assaulted. But one of my closest friends is a victim of repeated physical, and sexual assault throughout a very abusive 4 year relationship. He was very traumatized by the experience, and faced a lot of shame, guilt, humiliation and difficulty because of the awful misconceptions about the validity of rape on men.
For myself, simply seeing that someone not only cares about this severe issue, as well as the significance of men’s feeling made me feel very validated. Thank you so much for making this thoughtful, and well spoken video. I hope you have a wonderful day
Thanks for your comment! Yes, Wonder Woman 1984 is another example.
7:20 I agree so much! Is it possible for you to talk about the fact the Netflix show 'Behind Her Eyes' has this as well? The twist is great but once you think about it... it's serial rape. And I can't find anyone talking about it.
Yeah I don’t think I’ll make a whole video about it but I’ll mention it in one of my ‘What I Watched Recently’ videos!
plus Jon Snow was sexually assaulted (verbally, constant mocking, telling him he wanted it, and I think some touch while he was sleeping) by Ygritt when he was basically a nun and she a savage brute, and it worked for her. Its played for laughs and ironically to build their sexual tension, she gets the D and is framed as Jons big love. Otherwise she was a great character. Women in power, yes. Men in power, yes. Power meaning raping, NO. A fundamental human error is believing to ne powerful by taking someone elses power, which can only ever be their own.
I think we are so used to inequality that we cant comprehend that a woman is actually able to do this, to rape and break someone. Everyone is vulnerable. People dont consider the variety of means available. Everyone can be a rapist.
I feel like another really interesting part of this conversation is the case of Dick Grayson (formerly the first Robin to Batman, currently the superhero Nightwing) from DC Comics, who's been sexually assaulted in two different cases by female characters. The first assault didn't get much attention and he seemed kind of traumatized after the second one, but it's unclear whether it was the assault or a bunch of equally traumatic events that happened around the same time.
I'm not entirely sure, because I didn't watch the seasons in the right order and I need to catch up, but in Outlander there is a man, Jamie's nephew Ian, who is raped by a woman and they address it as rape.
Yes, I forgot about that and someone else already pointed it out to me in the comments. My mistake 😊
It also happens in movies all of the time. The biggest offender is Adam Sandler's That's My Boy. Basically it is somewhat based on the Mary Kay Letourneau case where an attractive woman in her 30s rapes a little middle school boy (who grows up to become the Adam Sandler character) and she gets pregnant. It's of course portrayed as incredibly sexy and "lucky boy" bullshit. Can you IMAGINE if it were the other way around (or even a man raping a young boy)? People would be demanding Adam Sandler be burned at the stake! I don't think I've seen another (at least recent) movie that deadass says pedophilia is "sexy".
I think part of the reason male-on-male sexual assault/rape is taken at least slightly more seriously in our society than female-on-male is because the response to two men having sex is "EWWWW it's GAAAAY, of course a *real* man wouldn't want to have sex with another man!" Meanwhile, the societal idea is that "*any* straight man should be lucky to have sex with an attractive woman". Also female-on-male is seen as being "extremely rare" when anywhere from 10-25% of pedophiles are female and according to one study (unlike other studies it counted female-perpetrated rape as well... rape (it's usually categorized as a lesser form of sexual assault at best)) about 40% of male "adult" rape victims report a female perpetrator. Yet people act like it's so rare that we should only care about female (and occasionally male) victims of male perpetrators. As much as male rapists get a slap on the wrist, female rapists are barely prosecuted at all and in the rare cases they are, they don't get nearly as much prison time as they should.
Another argument I hear (mostly from women) is that "oh well it's not as forceful/violent so it's not the same as rape". First of all, contrary to popular belief, rape is not always or even often forceful, regardless of the sex of the perpetrator or the victim. Many rapes are committed through emotional manipulation, blackmail, power dynamics, and similar methods. This holds especially for female rapists, who, usually not having the physical force to rape men, usually use emotional manipulation as well as physical restraint, nonconsensual states like sleep/intoxication, or outright drugging them just like male rapists. Second of all, so many people preach that “sex with someone who does not want to have sex/can’t consent is rape”. But really they only mean it when it comes to male perpetrators. Finally, rape is about the *psychological* damage incurred, not the physical damage.
South Park did an EXCELLENT mockery of the double standard where Ike (a literal baby) is raped by his kindergarten teacher (he’s apparently a baby genius of some sort), and as much as his brother tries to report it, all of the people (especially the dudebros) go “NIIIIICE”. Of course (I’d at least hope) a literal baby raper would not be treated that way in real life. But it isn’t that much of an exaggeration…
There are a *couple* of shows/movies that treat this topic with the proper respect it gets. The Perks of Being a Wallflower, select episodes of SVU, Bordertown (Finnish show on Netflix), and Super are the few that come to mind. Even then very few of them show the long-lasting psychological effects of rape on men (even movies/shows depicting male-on-male rape such as American History X, The Shawshank Redemption, Deliverance). But most of them treat it as a complete joke.
What episode is that with Toby?
The Toby-Jenna flashback footage is from the last episode of season one. I think the Toby-Alex scene is from the penultimate episode of the series? Or somewhere around then. I quit watching the show at some point around season 5 or 6 and watched the last few episodes of the show for old times' sake, but don't remember it much. EDIT: Found the clips on YT ruclips.net/video/gjCrsQ3jX38/видео.html ruclips.net/video/k57wZiUzTsI/видео.html
I agree. The rape scene disgusted me. With that being said... ⚠️ WARNING DO NOT CONTINUE TO READ THIS COMMENT UNLESS YOU ARE WILLING TO READ AND DEBATE COMMENTS ON MALE RAPE DESPLAYED IN MEDIA THAT YOU MAY NOT AGREE WITH AND ARE DOWN TO HAVE AN OPEN AND HONEST YET RESPECTFUL CONVERSATION ABOUT SUCH SUBJECTS AS RAPE AND VIOLENCE TOWARD ♂️ AND ♀️ WARNING ⚠️.... (Also i will be using shorthand emojis) WITH THIS BEING SAID, Although I am truly disgusted in the rape of the Duke in Bridgerton I am more disappointed in Daphne then the show itself. She is an adult and new she was tricking him and i think that was what the show and its writers wanted us to feel. Disgusted with Daphne and how in society, its not just ♂️ rape it is marital rape in general that is played off as no big deal or even for lauging. Freaking LAUGHS! One example it is made no big deal is in Gone with the wind where it shows Scarlett's husband drunk with rage over her feelings for Ashley and he "sleeps with her" to show her what "shes missing out on. By them showing her to have enjoyed the experience the movie makes a mockery of marital rape all together if you ask me. The next day after he "apologies" she says "well thank you actually" and when she is regected again she says her door will be locked from then on and he says (remind you right after apologizing and being turned down) that A LOCK WILL NOT KEEP HIM FROM WHAT HE WANTS. AND IF HE WANTS HER THEN SO BE IT.
Bridgerton although brazien and harsh in it's depection I feel meant to show how ♀️and marital rape can be shown in all forms. Including by pretending to still be naive in knowing how children are made to get a man who clearly doesnt want to finish inside you to finish inside you. It also isnt clear that he wanted to stop as he felt she didnt know what she was doing until it was revealed afterwards she did it on purpose and then and only then it was rape. Once he realizes she meant her to be on top not for pleasure but to become a mother and to have control on weather he can pull out or not
my name is jenna, and i hated that character so much, and i flinch hearing my name lol in this video. 🥲🏃♀️
😂
I’m sorry but all this makes me think of is that line from Cousin Greg
Yeah I really hate the way male rape is depicted like in pretty little liars you're so right they definitely shouldn't have ignored it I think that Marlene king just did that for shock value and I can't believe that they did it again with toby in the final season 😠😡🤬🤢🤮
I really love the way the British tv show coronation street did with the character of David Platt getting date raped by a friend that storyline was so great plus the reason the writers decided to do this storyline was because this actually happened to a man and on Outlander it was hard to watch it and yes it would be very different if jaime had been raped by a woman 🤢🤮😠😡🤬🤯
Thank you
Thank you SO MUCH for talking about this! I was whaching Bridergton and really enjoyed the show. The story, the soundtrack, the acting job... But them I came to this moment, that disgusting moment were a character is saying "No" and "Stop" and the another proceeds to do what she wants to. That hit on me. As someone who was sexually assauted several times, I felt strange. In my mind I knew the name of this, RAPE, but no one was pointing this. "They are married", "It was a woman, it's not rape", "He was lying". Fuck off. It's marrital rape. It's a crime. He could do anything and would'nt be enough to allow her atitude. I stopped the show there. Have no interest on seeing the second season.
Sam from Supernatural boby is repeatedly violated starting at 6 months old, when he is forcibly feed demon blood. He is possessed and his body used against his will. The is drugged, kidnapped, undressed, tied up and held captive by Becky a superfan who we are supposed to feel sorry for because she just loves him so much and can't help herself. They being her back more than once and she is supposed to be so funny. It is the creepiest thing ever and we are supposed to root for her and the amount of women who defend her is terrifying. Sam also gets kidnapped by a British Men of Letter agent, who has him tortured nearly to death but part of that is she uses magic to make him believe they they are working together and they have sex in his mind, she does this to trick him into giving up information, he is horrified when the spell end and he realizes he has been used.
6:11 The fact that they used a blind character pull this shit feels like a bit of ableist icing on the cake. Like, distort ideas of healthy disabled sexuality on top of everything else, why don't you.
Have you ever watched coronation street 🤨🤔
Nope! I’ve heard of it
@@jackiereadsandwrites well if you ever do you really should watch the David Platt storyline it was really great at showing the aftermath of what happened to him and learning to cope with the assault
Honestly, I've seen worse/read worse than this small moment at the end of a consensual act of sex between a wife and husband. I understand why people don't like it, and I myself don't like it. But it also irks me how people explain the scene. What really bothers me is rape scenes like shown in Outlander, especially the man on man rape. I loved that show for so long but I had to quit watching due to the rape shown. It got so bad I couldn't handle it. That being said I haven't gotten the vibes that it has been trivialized in the duke and I/bridgerton show. It has been addressed by Julia quinn herself, for the first time ever this year. As well as discussed in the book community. But in my opinion, these are stories. And stories aren't all happy and positive. They show darkness and negativity. Which is honestly a part of life and always has been. I don't think rape on men should be treated any differently than men on women, men on men, etc. But in books and films, even if I don't like it, it is fiction (sometimes non-fiction of course) and it tells a story. It is what it is and to me, fiction is fiction at the end of the day. And what I look for is if the people overall learn from and grow from the events. What do we get from the events? It's not anyone's responsibility to address issues in fictional stories, but it is up to us if we want to discuss it. Authors and creators can and will create what they want to. The world is filled with horrible scenes in both books and film. And I have by far seen worse than this. But what upsets me most is people making this racial. Like there isn't enough negativity in the world and in this scene, we have to make everything racial. When in reality this is the first show of it's kind, that is not colorblind and it is amazing for people of color and the creators and actors are proud of this. If there are black actors in this show, who continued to act in this show and creators who continued to create every scene, and they did not once feel shame for any of it, then as viewers we should think about that. These are shows. These are fictional stories. We have legit world issues happening and people are treating the smallest incidents IN FICTIONAL STORIES as the worst thing to happen in this world. I will never understand why people get quite so heated over fictional scenes. If you don't like it, you don't like it. It will not stop people from telling their stories how they want to tell them. If we were trivilaizing a rape that happened in real life this would be a whole other ball field. But this is a damn book. I just absolutely hate the negativity. If people don't like it they should just simply move on and if you don't mind the story, then great, enjoy it. I personally wish it wasn't in the book at all, but I never let fictional events bother me to this point. If it disgusts me so much, I remove it from my shelf, i stop watching, whatever I need to do. And I move on. It's not real and it has no bearing on me as a person. What I do instead, is embrace and share positive things and things that will make myself and others happy. I do not embrace in cancel culture or over blowing things to involve myself in negative drama that just puts even more negativity out there in the world. There is no harm in giving a trigger warning but it does not help to blow things out of proportion either when doing so. And it never helps to take fictional stories and events personally. This is all art. Books, film, music, is all art. And Art can be extremely dark at times, or extremely good. If it makes us feel good, embrace it. If not, leave it. If it makes us not feel right inside, do not waste your time or energy on it. Instead, share something positive.
I disagree. The problem is that the writers of the TV show haven't acknowledged that what Daphne did to Simon was rape. Instead, it has been framed as an 'empowering' moment for her character when it isn't. And yes, the world isn't always positive, but having a woman rape her husband, never apologize or acknowledge wrongdoing, and for them to still end up together sends a terrible message. The justifications people have used on social media for why this wasn't rape ('he could've pushed her off if he really wanted to,' 'he said yes to sex in the past,' 'men can't be raped,' etc.) show how lacking our sex ed is, because people clearly do not understand consent and that men can also be survivors of sexual assault. This is an issue I felt obligated to talk about because I feel it has been swept under the rug, and yes the show is fictional but this will affect people in the real world with the message that it sends. Obviously, whether or not you keep watching the show is something you have to decide for yourself. Have a good day.
And it’s hypocritical of the writer to say she doesn’t understand when a heroine of a novel is raped by her love interest and yet still ends up with him. ONLY she does the same thing here but swap the genders and the narrative makes it out to be HIS fault because he doesn’t want kids and didn’t tell her. We could have a whole conversation on how he lied to her but his punishment should be him being raped by her.
@@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 How exactly would an inexperienced woman like Daphne even know she was raping her husband? Simon was happy with her being completely ignorant about him withdrawing his penis in the end to avoid getting her pregnant. Part of her didn’t want to believe that he was being deceitful. The panicked look on his face ejaculating inside her was confirmation. There should never be any part of sex between a husband and wife where either party is tricking the other.
@@jackiereadsandwrites all true. But at the end of the day, one person can say it's rape and another can say it wasn't. You can't say one is right and one is wrong. Some may be of the opinion that they are right, but it doesn't mean they are. These are just opinions and ultimately it is up to each reader/viewer to decide if it was rape. Solely because the sex was consensual, it has a lot of gray areas. Unlike rape scenes that involve manipulation of some sort, physical force and violence. This is lacking in those and it is meant for viewers to determine what they think happens and not everyone will be of the same opinion. So nobody has to address the scene or issue unless they want to. It's up to them what they want to address. It is just a show/book at the end of the day. But I completely understand what you are saying
@@jackiereadsandwrites and like what u mention about the message it sends, that also is differing to each person. I see lots of people who get a completely opposite message from this story. Including myself. People overcoming hardships and learning from their mistakes and growing as humans. Finding themselves and finding love. A story is a story. There is dark and there is light. I like to see how they overcome the dark. For me that sends a positive and hopeful message.