It's Time to Leave Hyrule
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- Hyrule is iconic, but the Zelda series doesn't need to be tied down by it. The next big game should follow in the footsteps of Wind Waker, Majora's Mask, and the Oracle games and send Link into uncharted territory.
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Some people want Legend of Zelda to go to outer space or fully Sci-Fi, but that seems like a betrayal of its medieval identity when they can just set the next game in another kingdom outside of Hyrule.
I think "A Link to the Future" could be a cool angle. You have your medieval Hyrule for half the game, then Neo Hyrule for the other half. The devs already love including "ancient" tech, so I could see them leaning into "future" tech.
Then again, maybe their recent reliance on ancient tech would make future tech look less unique by comparison.
But I agree that the series should keep its fantasy roots. Nintendo has Metroid for all their sci-fi needs
Xenoblade is already Zelda Sci-Fi 😅
Easy, just keep it medieval and ALSO add the space. The two themes aren't mutually exclusive
@@HayatoSenseiDark The ancient tech already is "futuristic" in most of the instances where they use this idea. Consider also Skyward Sword.
@@Charnutboy That's a good point, if space is done in a fantastical way like leaving a flat Earth riding the back of a fantasy creature and seeing other creatures like the Wind Fish floating through space, that would be cool. Not space ships and space stations. Doubt they would do it responsibly though.
It’s not like there aren’t already games that don’t take place in Hyrule… Majora’s Mask, Wind Waker, Phantom Hourglass, and Link’s Awakening all take place somewhere else
They've definitely done it before, so my fingers are crossed that they'll do it again
wind waker takes place in hyrule, just a flooded one
Link's awakening takes place in hyrule, the wind fish's dream's koholint island is still the wind fish which is in hyrule.
@@giganticmoonThe Great Sea is not considered part of Hyrule. The game still definitely revolves around Hyrule it’s just not the only focus.
@@epicphantom589 I know, but the islands once were Hyrule, and with the other quarter of the game revolving around it, it does take place in Hyrule
Echoes of wisdom seems to have completely new locations and I’m hoping the new areas are a big part of the game.
My issue with totk is that hyrule itself hadn’t changed that much and wasn’t expended beyond what we know other than the depths.
Revisiting old hyrule is a concerning trend imo even if I love all these games.
It’s just that exploration is much more rewarding in a brand new world imo
Aonuma said that they did everything they could in totk’s hyrule and are moving on to something new so I’m not worried
They should create Midrule, since Lorule exists
Some might say that Hyrule is already Mid.
@@HayatoSenseiDark 💀💀
I get Hyrule basically is ‘Zelda’ as the series but I do wonder more about the world of the Zelda universe itself- what are Hyrule’s neighboring kingdoms? Are those important to people like Aonuma or not really? I’m curious that if they are, then they would make a very interesting new game and I agree with all your points
my current concept is botw link stranded wind waker style on a mysterious archipelago, once home to a might Polynesian Esq. empire long forgotten by time.
Intricate sailing, diving, ship building, (and a random crab shaped divine beast) are featured.
I don't mind if it takes place in Hyrule again if they introduce new races, locations and elements that make it stand out. But I would be so ecstatic if we could also go to new countries/territories like Termina, Holodrum, Labrynna, or even islands like Koholint...
Oh, or alternate worlds. I'd be down with those too
take us to a kingdom that has dungeons
We could make Link an old man in the Age of Calamity timeline because this timeline currently has one game and I want to see this timeline expanded apon.
i wish they just made it a more faithful prequel but this is very interesting and because of the path it took i agree with you
It makes sense to me, we could return to a brand new Hyrule in the following game to the next one.
I just want something as fun as btw and tears, but new and different. Maybe more similar to twilight princess style and with a similar combat as well.
I feel an easy way of Nintendo to do this would be to lean into the best explanation for the series as a whole: that each zelda gsme is a folk rendition of a folk tale about a hero long ago. But, extend it into an almost religious tale-- such that each culture that encounters it changes it to fit their perspective. The American version of Snow White is different from the traditonal folk one. Ariel the mermaid takes place in a radically different location from the original story in disney. And so forth.
For example, an easy deviation from the original location could be a hyrule set in a more tropical region. You could have the master sword and all, and the names of the main characters and triforce remain, but shift the type of people around, change the atmosphere a but, and focus on adding unique differences. Maybe Ganon worked with the main characters. Maybe Zelda was an enemy before turning into a frienf. Maybe there was a Twilight princess. The whole point is to re arrange the legend. Hyrule is important, but the distinct races available have always changed in theri prominence tbroughout the series. They should do that more often.
I wish BOTW2 was about being in a transformed Dark World. That would've been siiiiiick (even if still Hyrule)
I want a new Zelda game with two worlds, a dark and light, past and future, whatever. We could easily have a mix of old and new with that
I feel like 3d Zelda hasn't really explored this concept. Even with the Twilight and Silent realms, I think there's room for a lot of innovation in a 3d "dark world" environment.
@@HayatoSenseiDark frankly a dungeon with portal puzzles where you seamlessly move between both would be sick as hell
My thought is, why can we not have Hyrule *and* some other area/realm? Like how Twilight Princess had Ordon, which some people think was a separate, self-governing entity. I, for one, would like to see them lean into that, and have other countries in-game, I think that would make for very interesting gameplay
I think they would need to drastically increase the overall map size to make that feel satisfying. Otherwise, you run the risk of one kingdom overshadowing the other, or neither feeling fully fleshed out. I'd rather see one really good kingdom before we start combining them.
Though I think your suggestion would allow for a layer of political intrigue between whichever neighboring kingdoms we get. I think that could be really cool.
@@HayatoSenseiDark I agree; then again, I think a larger map would be really fun, as I love games with large overworlds. (I do think the linear dungeon-based game style should return, but I feel it would still mesh really well with the more open overworld)
I also think that a political side should be added at least somewhat; I bought Skyrim a few years ago and one thing I love about the Elder Scrolls series is how it incorporates a deep lore and lots of worldbuilding that the player can interact with in-game, and if a Zelda game did this, it would probably be 10/10 for me.
I don't mind if the Zelda team want to use hyrule, I just don't want them to feel like they HAVE to for the sake of branding.
Not to discredit Echoes Of Wisdom, but it does feel like they're being safe with the role reversal by still having hyrule, ganon, and Link being the one in need of saving this time. Like they're afraid of putting off fans too much. But that limits the potential of what games could be!
6:55 Ah yes, who could forget the Zorons and Goras, truly icons of gaming.
why does nobody talk about the oracle games, they literally both take place in different kingdoms to hyrule like cmon bruh
I could easily imagine a grand new adventure outside of Hyrule. But something i would really really want to see is a continuation of the Masters Sword Story. With the last 3 3D Zelda Games the Master Sword was put in somewhat of a focus (obviously the most in Skyward Sword), and I thin it would be very fitting if they took up on this and really expanded the Story about the Blade that Seals the Darkness. Great video on the topic!
I would love another game with the overworld like Wind Waker's in the open world style of Breath of the Wild. Exploring a vast ocean with islands to explore and underneath the ocean an ancient kingdom is a fantastic idea.
Zelda plays with difference and familiarity. They can just do Hyrule again with much more differences than usual, and honestly that will probably be it. Other than that i found so funny the discrepancy between Majora’s strangness and the way people describe it. Sure it has it’s weirdness but alien? C’mon
There are aliens in Majora's Mask! But I'm mainly talking about how the Gorons, Gerudo, and Zora are in distinctly new scenarios that are completely unlike their other major appearances.
What’s the name of the remix at 1:50 ? Or what Zelda is it from it’s ALttP original right but this version is utterly sublime though. Love the video. Keep up the good work !
That's just from A Link Between Worlds :)
@@HayatoSenseiDarkThanks so much!
I'd be totally fine with another reimagining of Hyrule, but I would love if the next 3D game is somewhere completely different.
I had this idea of a alternate sequel to the Windwaker called Ensemble of the Tides.
The sea level began rising up around the settlement islands. Learning that it was a curse by the spirit of Gannon, Link must set out to find the other sages and their instruments to complete the Ensemble of the Tides. Link would conduct with the Windwaker to complete the ensemble to play the Song of the Sea. This would reach to the Goddess to lower the sea level and reveal the ruins of old Hyrule. The people are saved and are able to colonize the lands left of the mid-real of Hyrule.
That's the short of it but this video reminded me of it.
Yeah, a new world like Termina or New Hyrule would be great, or even a completely unrecognisable Hyrule like in Wind Waker or Skyward Sword. Seeing the same Zora, Gerudo, Gorons, Deku Tree, Hyrule Castle, Death Mountain, Kakariko Village etc has got stale
a thought i had back then during the before-release times of TOTK
seeing as BOTW took a lot of inspiration from zelda 1, i figured the next logical step was to take a few cues from zelda 2. namely expanding the map of hyrule to the other continents like eastern and western hyrule. sailing across the open sea to see a new land or something
anyway, i totally feel ya. after echoes, now's a better time than any to see a radically different land!
I've been saying this ever since totk was announced, instead of reusing the same map from botw they should've let you explore a land beyone hyrule, it would be a clever reuse of assets just like majora's mask
I think reusing assets like that is a bit harder. It's harder to justify all the side characters following Link out of Hyrule, and they'd be building most of the setting from the ground up anyway.
@@HayatoSenseiDark there's no need to reuse any of the side characters unless they come with link and zelda on the journey. The game could easily take place on wherever the zonai decided to go to once they left hyrule, so the story would still involve the zonai but to a much higher extent than in totk where they're basically gone
With that being said, I still love my Zorons and Goras.
Ngl, I know a lot of Zelda fans think that sci fi elements would ruin legend of Zelda, but look at the ancient tech in botw, think of where we could go with those concepts. What if we just looked beyond the Zelda world, couldn’t that be interesting? I mean we’ve been in the same world for YEARS, what if the sheika tribe who made the ancient tech didn’t even know how to make it until some super advanced cosmic race showed them how too. I mean, we’re legit in a medieval setting how could they do that in the first place? What if that had something to do with the Zonaj, we don’t know much about them. I just think it would be cool if we could explore an abandoned world from that race, and discover answers about their whereabouts. Maybe ganon is being led to this planet for unknown reasons and we have to go there to find out why. Idk it’s a cool concept. Maybe Nintendo is desperate and will pay me for this concept 😂 ALSO IM YOUR 300th SUBSCRIBER
Good video. And I hope your (and my) wish comes true - a new Zelda with a new world that you can get lost in, instead of trying to find all the references to previous games. That can be amazing too, and it was in BotW, but by the time I was done with TotK, that magic has worn thin. A new, "crazy" Zelda would be great.
But I'm not getting my hopes up anymore. The times where such games were made is long gone. If you look back 20 or 30 years ago, Nintendo was a very different company. Many things were made out of curiosity and innovation and it feels like they were just "having fun" (if you ignore how harsh and demanding game development was back then for different reasons than today). Link's Awakening, for example, started out as a passion project by the devs, almost like an after-school-club. Obviously I can't know for sure as I've never worked at Nintendo myself, but with how it established itself as a company playing in the "big leagues" now, I don't see a dynamic like that amongst devs happening anymore. Especially when you have things like Aonuma going on record saying he wished people would forget about MM. So instead, I see a lot of clean "how it's supposed to be" titles on the horizon.
It sucks, but maybe it's time to look towards indie games more and hope that something comes along from that area that picks up the spirit that may have been lost at Nintendo.
Even if they don't want the Majora's Mask angle, I think a new game in the vein of Wind Waker or Skyward Sword might be in the cards. Even Nintendo should recognize that setting every big Zelda game in Hyrule is going to look lazy. They'll want their next 3d entry to *seem* distinct from Breath of the Wild, and this is the most straightforward way to do it.
Really don't matter where it takes place as long as the game is good
The hyrule from echoes of wisdom is only inspired by a link to the past, it's very different when you have a look at it: death mountain is now a volcano in the north west, there's a new snowy mountain where death mountain used to be, kakariko is further north at the south of death mountain to fit the 3D games, there's a stone structure between kakariko and castle town, there's a rainforest area, there's gerudo so presumably an expanded desert area, there's the deku tree so presumably a larger korok forest, both Zora types so there must be more water areas and probably a lot more. It may look very similar but it will probably be very different
I hope you're right about it being different. But even then, it comes across as a standard take on Hyrule. I'm hoping to see them take a wholly new direction on the game world.
I think a lot of this comes down to gameplay. For example, Majora's Mask takes place in Termina because the mask gameplay inherently contextualizes Link as an outsider. Death Mountain always reappears because it's a lava mountain that perfectly contextualizes all of the gameplay associated with that.
Similarly, except for the Gerudo, every race emphasizes a mechanic. Skyward Sword is the most obvious example, where the Kikwi's disguise as shrubbery because of dousing, the mogma dig to emphasize the mogma mitts, the parella are colorful visual tutorial cues for the motion control swimming, the loftwings clearly communicate their ability to transport the player, and the robots in their decay communicate the timeshift stones.
Personally, I think Zelda can get more interesting locations by varying its gameplay more. I think Breath of the Wild did a good job with Death Mountain, Hebra, and the Gerudo Highlands all providing distinct vertical environments. But they'll really have found something good if they find themselves creating a world with two different kingdoms.
This makes me wonder how willing they are to shake up the gameplay. Breath of the Wild was massively popular, and it was also pretty light on the gimmicks. Part of me thinks they'll be staying away from crazy new mechanics to remain appealing to a wide audience. But the other part of me knows that the Zelda team loves reinventing each game from the ground up.
We’ve left Hyrule before.
They seem to have exhausted every version of Hyrule at this point. Whether it be in the past, future, underwater, in the sky, or below the surface. Mario is allowed to go to all sorts of wacky locations in his games and isn't tied to just the Mushroom Kingdom. A lot of the 2D games take place outside of Hyrule so they're completely capably of mixing things up.
Though I guess they can still do steampunk or futuristic Hyrule to stand out.
The 3d Mario games are historically very good at mixing the locations up from game to game, and I think Zelda could take a page out of that book.
I don't think Hyrule has been *completely* exhausted, but I think it's time for a much-needed break from it. They can always come back with some fresh new concepts.
@@HayatoSenseiDark I'd say Zelda should go further and become an anthology series like Final Fantasy or Fire Emblem. Majora's Mask and Link's Awakening proves the series doesn't really need Ganon, Hyrule or the Master Sword to make a memorable game.
I dont mind it taking place in "hyrule" but id like for them to go back to having hyrule look completely different in every game with just little hints or references to older games. Also a game about the original great calamity would be cool because i love the sheikah tech but it most likely would never happen modtly because i feel like theyd feel the need to keep hyrule similar to botw which i dont want. Maybe we could get a game based on where the original sheikah were banished to? (Unless they really all ended up being in the shrines, being in kakariko or becoming the yiga which is disappointing)
I think they might have trouble getting away from their old habits if it takes place in "Hyrule" again. We can already see that the new version of Hyrule in Echoes of Wisdom is mostly bringing back the classic Zelda races, and I expect that will continue to be the default for as long as Hyrule is the name of the location.
I’d be down for a breath of the wild Lorule
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i really want them to go for a narutoesque/final fantasy type thing where they mix medieval and sci-fi into one, but i hope that if they do this, they leave hyrule
They already did that with Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom
@@Luxembourgishwhy can’t they add on to it? all it had was shiekah tech, that’s not enough to be a full on mix.
@@giganticmoon Because while the Guardians looked like ancient Jomon pottery to fit better, the unfitting motorcycle was already crossing a line, the developers were split and some fought back against the implementation but the motorcycle still showed up anyway.
@@Luxembourgish whatever man, you just don’t like futuristic tech and stuff, it’s fine.
@@Luxembourgish yeah it was only added for the mario kart collab lol but stull
Get some Sun
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I want link to go to iraq
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Honestly hot take:... I think at this point they should just make a "lesbian" Link.
They seem perfectly happy never outright confirming a relationship between Zelda and Link and just hinting at it and treating the character like an avatar, so for once just make an actual female "link" or the character option male or female like pokemon does.
It just seems disengenuous treating the relationship so coyly in ToTK without an actual reason like requiring more effort or censorship of other conversations.
Why should they do that though?
@@absolutezero9507 same reason pokemon does.
@@michaellane5381 which is..?
@@absolutezero9507 to have both male and female avatars.
They've been playing coy with Link's romance for decades. In Wind Waker he presumably gets with Zelda, in Twilight Princess he's strongly implied to be in love with Ilia, Skyward Sword is the most overt and even that stopped short of having Link and Zelda actually exchanging a kiss or an I Love You. I wish they would either commit for once, or add a female avatar.
I find your premise absurd, but I do want a sequel to ST, something to take advantage of the sea and exploring new lands.
Love your videos
It would be awesome to play a BOTW/TOTK game with a Xenoblade world and music.
That's the dream :)
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Well, theres kinda no point of having a game called Zelda and be placed in other land. Unless they do like the previous games mentioned, but personally I dont really like the story of Zelda in another place. I still think theres better way to present Hyrule.
Some of the best stories take place outside of Hyrule. Majora's Mask, Link's Awakening, Wind Waker
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Go and play spirit tracks lol. Also windwaker is in Hyrule lol.
I do need to play Spirit Tracks still, but the fact that they've left Hyrule before doesn't mean they should stay in Hyrule forever now. And the Great Sea is *above* Hyrule, so I count it a bit differently.
I was thinking the same. Link lost in another world.
Zelda's world was already meant to be a futuristic place, the ancient tech is a super advanced technology, so why not take some ideas from Tron? Going into the zelda's matrix and discovering the inside of the technology, and how Ganon/Malice used this technology against hyrule, show the real magic, the nanotech, the ultrahand is not magic, triforce is a deity force, but not magic either...
Or maybe like Megaman legends, it is actually virtual world, and nearly no one is aware of that, hyrule can be a matrix and we need to get out of there to try break the cycle.
Zelda was never meant to be futuristic, it was just a scrapped concept for the Triforce to be microchips. The first game instead ultimately ended up defining itself with inspirations including writer Takashi Tezuka's love for "Lord of the Rings" books and Keiji Terui stating he took from "battles in medieval Europe" with all the Crusades iconography.
There was also a scrapped concept art of Ezlo in Minish Cap peeking up young Zelda's skirt, but I don't think that idea was fitting to make the cut, let alone a whole game based on the concept of peeking up skirts.