Sadie Carpenter | We Shall All Be Groomed
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I’m also an eldest IFB pastor’s daughter who grew up similarly to you, tho’ my upbringing was in the 1960-1970’s. HAC wasn’t around when my dad went to college (1957). He graduated from Baptist Bible College in Springfield, MO, where I was born in his last yr of college! He was a worshipper of JFrank Norris, GB Vick, all of the big name pastors back then. Some actually taught at BBC. These were the stories I grew up hearing. My dad was a youth director at the biggest IFB church in MO, Kansas City Baptist Temple, where Wendell Zimmerman pastored. I was spoiled by the youth, being asked to stand on chairs and just answer questions (I began talking at 1!) or sing. I had 1 brother then. We lived in awful houses, 1 after another. I was blessed to have grandmothers who bought me clothes and a Mom who could sew.
I’ll post more later about when he became a pastor.
Bless your dear heart, Sadie. ❤ I want to be able to just hug your neck and know that we’ve become the ones who survived the depravity of stupid men who were put on pedestals. It was not Jesus’ way of ministering at ALL!!
I visited there in May, 1989. I just remember it was a huge church.
I read this recently and it made me think of this episode: "perpetrators groom the parents and community as well as the children."
Makes me wonder if Anderson picked the churches he visited based on if the pastor had daughters and how old they were.
He regularly visited my church growing up and my pastor did not have daughters.
@@KaitlynnOConnor thank you for answering my question. I was curious
@@KaitlynnOConnor Who knows, maybe it's not just girls he was into
Yep!
You definitely have the grooming correct. I saw at age 12-25. I wish someone woukd have pulled me out of that mess. Thank you for being so brave to share your story.
Oh HELL NO...I would never let some creepy old man call my 12 year old daughter his girlfriend. HUGE RED FLAG as a parent. Need for $ or not. Even though they thought it was harmless, it was their desire for $ that allowed their daughter to be groomed. Your dad could have left the ministry for a time and get a job to support his family...It's NOT okay to throw your children into a potentially harmful situation. I'm sad for you Sadie. This has obviously left scars~
you know... its hard to understand the desperation. I know someone who was "sold" by their family due to starvation they faced. Really dark stuff happens.
Thank you both for the time, energy, and funds that went into making this content available.
Before listening, my thoughts were that until HAC removed the H, they couldn’t be taken serious about changing the culture that both Jacks reigned over. Now I feel the same way about the A.
I’m not diagnosing anybody nor am I shifting the focus away from Sadie. But after watching these short clips of him and hearing Sadie share these details, that dude was mentally ill. He was a dangerous blender filled with multiple severe psychological disorders.
I am not condoning his behavior by mentioning this. I mention this because this same culture doesn’t believe in psychology or psychological behavioral disorders. And if they don’t believe in these things, the door is then wide open for the vulnerable to be targeted.
Its time for a name change at Hyles-Anderson College. If they truly accept what happened it must be done.
The church name was there before Hyles so that can and should be left alone. The college is a different story.
Why not just call them evil wicked men? That’s what God calls it. There’s no point in pussyfooting around with those people!
This is so heartbreaking to listen to this precious young lady!!! Thank you for sharing your story!!! God bless your heart!!!
As you described this older gentleman, I recognized many older “gents”. This was culturally acceptable to tell girls how to “look and behave”, to be a treasure at their side. It was how females were treated. Im not diminishing your story, but this is “accepted” behavior for females. At age 66, I am just now sorting this out.
I have 4 daughters and we were in the Gothard cult and we took great care to protect them. Im sorry that you were harmed by this man and this demeaning behavior.
I agree it was acceptable in the IFB and other “Christian” sub-cultures to tell girls how to look and behave. In uniquely different ways, everyone was told how to look and behave. Girls were objectified in the same way an appraiser looks over a house. Manipulation is always the key that unlocks the real treasure…power and control.
What makes this way different are the stories Sadie shared about this mans premeditated predatory tactics he used specifically to hunt young girls. I don’t believe for a minute this was normal place in the majority of IFB circles as toxic as they might have been. I am in no way complementing some IFB camps for not being as bad as others.
But this behavior is on another level. This isn’t a creepy old dude who whistles at girls while pumping gas. This dude was targeting and preying on the very innocence their identities were built upon. He stole from these girls and did it under the cover of light.
Last thing…sorry I’m almost done. Is it really fair though to hold up your parenting to their parenting and conclude that she was hurt and your daughters weren’t? Involving children in a cult and taking great care to protect them seems like an oxymoron. How would one know they are protecting their children properly but not know they have them in a cult?
This is not a personal attack on you so I apologize if it is perceived that way. I have no motive other than an overwhelming feeling of empathy and sympathy that made me look twice at some of your statements. I apologize if I’m not reading things correctly.
Listening to Anderson, it makes my skin crawl.
This is VERY alarming!! I am so sorry for family betrayal she was going through, she was literally pimped by her own parent to disgusting old fart, thi is ubelivable, I am so sorry. They need to apologize to her. Thank you Sadie for your story
“Because they wanted his money “. Very telling.
Its interesting how they seemed to trust Anderson for money rather than God.
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Man of God, as they are called, = God
I am happy that victims are coming forward and exposing the extreme IFB churches and my heart goes out to all of the victims. I am a father and was an independent Baptist pastor for 40 years. We have 4 daughters as well as 3 sons. This never would have happened under my pastorates. There are 12,000 IFB churches in America and your exposures are connected to the Hyles movement. The majority of IFB were not part of that movement.
Horrific, Sadie! So sad to be put on that church altar like a human sacrifice. I have paragraphs, a book really, that I could add to corroborate so many parts of your story & similar experiences from IFB. I don't even know where to begin with the sheer volume of it. Thank you so much for sharing!
His behavior is almost that cute Shirley temple movie that we adored growing up but looking back makes you sick. 🤢
That old creep was a narcissist.
I was a graduate of commonwealth baptist college and was tasked with bringing his gaudy gold Cadillac up from the church parking lot up to the door of the church. Of course he bragged that I'd never drive a car that nice again. Nasty old man, so glad to have the fundy chapter of my life behind me.
Well done telling this story, Sadie!!
This seems to be a particular group of churches. I've been a member of an IFB church for 40 years, and we have never had a problem like this. We've never been tied to any college, I think we had one teacher from Hyles-Anderson College. We have many safe guards to protect our children, and we focus on strong marriages. Perhaps that has been a reason for us not having problems. I taught my present pastor when he was a child, but when I recently saw him for counseling, his wife was with him.
What you have described is true of nearly every ifb church. I ave pastored for decades and never counseled a woman alone.
It seems hyles and anderson both had the poor-boy-made-good story.
I have thought about this a lot but just about every Pastor I know that has narcissistic tendencies like manipulation, control, entitlement, fragile, attention seeking… they all have a rags to riches type story.
I went to a high school that was connected to an IFB church and college. The pastor often repeated his broken childhood story and as kids we would attempt to impersonate him behind his back.
It was something like… I lived in 13 different locations before my 8th birthday. I never ended a school year at the school I started the years from. My father was an alcoholic and a gambler and had a glass eye and bad limp.
I understand that none of those things are funny but when you’re a board teenager sitting in a pew you often pick up on things like that.
Man, I'm almost afraid to inspect my childhood for grooming. I was definitely objectified from the time i was a baby starting with my parents. But yeah i need to reflext on this.
Thank you Sadi for sharing your story 🙏
Thanks for watching!
Jack Hyles clearly wasn't the only narcissist in charge at Hyles-Anderson.
Anderson was never an administrator of HAC. He showed up once per year to offer the opening prayer at commencement.
@@tangerinefizz11 His son-in-law Jack Schaap is a predator. For those not aware, type his name in Google and add 'prison'.
Sadie, you have a beautiful mind, face and heart. We wish you the very best in life.
I couldn’t imagine how it would be to get put in a situation like that. 😢
I am so confused though, East St Louis /Mobile Alabama??
Jacob served his uncle Laban and relied on him for survival and support. But Laban cheated him numerous times. Eventually Jacob realized that what he needed to do was step out on his own and rely on God, not man.
Jacob was serving him for Rachel and Laban also cheated him several times. Also I'm pretty sure he was directed by God to go home
Gothard. Another oldster who fancied young girls?
All old guy fancy younger women. Not girls. Women.
It’s biological. Comparable to how young women are drawn towards older men if they have a lot of notoriety and money. It’s biological.
@@ThatGuy-mu2rr This video is literally about an old man pastor that fancied young girls. Gothard is another old man pastor…that fancied young girls.
The original comment is 100% correct.
He came to our church and didn’t do this. I know he was in the nursing home for the last several years. He was having a hard time with his mind, he was older. Think that’d would have been around the time he went into one.
Did Anderson's wife ever accompany him on any of his trips?
@@tangerinefizz11 I used to be in the Baptist circles of Russell Anderson and his wife never came to any of the services that I ever went to. I used to live in his apartment complex and she was never a part of that either.
Any relation to David Carpenter? I met him briefly some years back. Nice guy.
1 in 5 people saved in the Philippines but the Philippines is 79.5 percent catholic 😆
My husband and I have labeled the process of tons of people getting people “saved” as the “1, 2, 3 Repeat After Me” doctrine. Repeat the sinners prayer and you’re saved! 🤔
We witnessed it up close and personal. It’s a great way to win so many people to the Lord because many people are good with repeating a prayer just as they would in Catholicism. It is so deceitful and not biblical, but those numbers sure get you IFB points for being a “true soulwinner.”
@@herediafamily”Catholics are terrible! They repeat prayers! They have a Pope!!” - Oh the irony of IFB fanatics…
"Women don't want to have sex" I must not be a woman.... okay. These kinds of messages are so damaging to teenage and young kids.
Is IFB similar to GARB??
GARB churches are independent Baptist churches, but independent churches are unique and should not be painted with a broad brush.
What does GARB mean ?
@@ThatGuy-mu2rr
age of GARB
General Association of Regular Baptists@@ThatGuy-mu2rr
No
Can the IFB be listed alongside the KKK? The level of creepy is beyond my grasp.
So sorry your parents didn't protect you 😢 the love of money is the root of all evil.
"Haven't had a Budweiser in 56 years. Let is be said, let it resound! When you're out of Schlitz, Daddy, You're out of BEER!!!" -Anderson Cooper 720
Every girl in the IFB gets groomed??
This is NOT true. I grew up in this church all of my life and am still a part of it. And I have never experienced or heard of girls being “groomed”. I’m not saying it never happens or did not happen, but it is completely false to say every girl is groomed in this church.
I don't think they claimed every girl was groomed just it was prevalent.
@@chelleglenney156 Maybe I misunderstood, but what I heard and took away from this was that every girl is groomed in IFB churches. Which is not true. There are good people and men and pastors in some of these churches that are doing some good work. I have spent my life in this church and have not witnessed any “grooming” of girls. I’m not saying it’s not true or has not happened, but Lord have mercy all girls are not groomed in IFB churches.
Their teaching teaches them to be subordinate to men. Not to use discretion against men. @Notworthy72
@@Notworthy72sorry for what the church has brainwashed you to believe , if only you knew your divine feminine
She’s saying the teachings and culture prepare you to accept grooming
I still have that game! I didn't think I'd hear anyone else talk about that. That is so cool.
Shoot I don't mind dating santa claus
What's wrong with you?
@@Kimberly-jk5xm I'm open minded.
@@user-vx9qi7ni8g To what degree are you open minded
@@user-vx9qi7ni8g There is such a thing as being toooooooooo open minded so that all kinds of weirdness and vile content can get in there. You've got a lot of work ahead of you.....
You gotta love how this comes out after the man is dead and can’t speak for himself.
Puhlease.....you know its true
Are your feelings hurt that your daddy isn’t a good person?
Yeah, they were experts at damage control.
@@karlpeterson6806 You are ignorant.
She loves that word objectified. Every incident of her whole life is based on that word. While I am sorry, she was subject to the Hyles Anderson mind set and surroundings, (they were wicked people) everything that ever happened to her is not a negative thing. She has made herself to become a victim from every single thing that ever happened to her. So sad that she has that mindset.
All the people who have made accusations toward IFB are living lives contrary to the Bible. You are possess.
Huh?
It sounds like you’re attacking the victim rather than acknowledging grooming and abuse.
Your popes Jack Hyles, Jack Schaap, and David Hyles were walking contradictions to the Bible.
That's a wild accusation; the I in IFB is for independent and a movement like that is bound to draw some wicked, narcissistic, abusive people looking for victims. I go to a really good IFB church but that doesn't mean all of them are
@@Blessed_24-7 You are ignorant. You don't even know the Bible. Quit being dumb. The ONLY way to know the Bible is to read it over and over and over AFTER you pray sincerely for TRUTH, the whole TRUTH, and NOTHING but the TRUTH, SO HELP YOU.
As so much of the information spread in these videos, deceit is spread from a platform of ignorance. Dr. Anderson was far from the wealthiest man in IFB. He wasn’t even close to the biggest benefactor at FBC/HAC.
Produce proof then
This is what is so sad. People dan listen to all of these slanderous videos and never ask for proof, then as soon as I comment, they want proof. Do your own homeworker. Find out what kind of money Jack DeCoster was giving. Look into the amounts some of Jerry Fallwell’s benefactors were giving when he was still IFB. Why is it, when Eric said most IFB earn $20,000 a year, you didn’t say, “Produce proof?” Your prejudices are your only judgment. @@thevoiceoftheteacher3581
..... You are really missing the point of these videos.
Platform of ignorance?
No, I got the point: one old man said something creepy to me and therefore as an account I deduce that 50% of all Baptist girls have been sexually abused and 100% have been groomed. @@druidgurl
I think your parents were there and knew it wasn't anything. You just want a platform.
Lets talk about all the dead, who can't respond .
@@nomore5403 It's too bad that you've opened yourself up for this, but here goes...the dead don't need to respond nor would they ever admit to such atrocious behavior. I'm not sure why you felt it necessary to post this comment but just know that we are living in the days of sexually deviant behaviors coming out of EVERY denomination of churches and everywhere on the planet. You obviously don't know this Sadie...nor did you know Russell Anderson. It would be best for you to pray to the unknown God for Truth, wisdom, knowledge and understanding.
@@Kimberly-jk5xm zzzz
@@nomore5403Exactly ... You are asleep and need to wake up.
@@Kimberly-jk5xm get a life ditzy
Might I ask how many people you personally have led to the Lord? Probably none. How many have you taught children of God the Word of God? Probably none. What a shame
Cry about it, this channel isn’t for defending your favorite predators
Why do you assume that?
Christianity is a false religion that was made up 2000 years ago. The fact that the so-called New Testament was written in Greek should be something that should be known and that the Greek God is Zeus. In the 1611 KJV English Bible, the spelling of the so called Messiah was Iesous. There was no such letter as "J" in any language. The simple facts are of such that in Genesis 1:26 Elohim says 'Let US create man in OUR IMAGE according to OUR likeness. Why don't people take a good look at all of the different bloodlines of people. Indians alone have many separate tribes with their own bloodlines. Japanese have their own bloodline. Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean, and so on have their own bloodline. They are all the Image and Likeness of their Maker. When there is a mixture of bloodlines, this creates confusion. But the bottom line is that everyone has a soul and we must be aware that the Creators are still approachable by prayer and we can still pray to the unknown God and get answers...speaking from experience.
Can both of you please address the atrocities going on in Gaza and the efforts of the American Evangelical movement to normalize and fund Zionism? Tbh you might both be out but you’re still complicit in the harms your communities have done worldwide.
In no way am I complicit with what American evangelicals do at this point. 🗑️
The Zionist part of evangelicals made me so sick I stopped going to church after constantly hearing how bad Palestinians were and how amazing our “Greatest Ally”TM is. I began to read what the Bible actually says about Zionism and the history of zionist ideology.
In a nutshell it bubbles out of freemasonry of the 1700s obsessing about a Jewish temple in Jerusalem. In the 1800s JN Darby who was a narcissistic became a cult leader and spread dispensationalism. Then to CI Scofield who was a con man, liar, cheat, and abandoned his family and pretended to be a doctorate in divinity, wrote the Scofield reference Bible which pushes Zionism.
I believe Evangelicals took in this doctrine as a way of drawing people into their churches after the 1948 political Israel was formed. Now they’re stuck with this junk theology and they have two choices: go back to the Bible and read Gen 12:3 + Galatians 3 or keep lying.
The spirit of Protestantism is to keep breaking off and inventing junk theology. So many claim to “follow the Bible” but none of them seem to get there. They dumped 1500 years of church tradition in the toilet (Luther literally sat on the toilet writing and making up theology).
Protestantism is fueled by narcissism. These clowns attack the Papacy then make themselves Pope, even executing their critiques like Calvin did! Most of their denominations are started by one person who is almost always a narcissist like Luther or King Henry VIII.
They downgrade beauty and the Eucharist, they rid themselves of virtue like monasticism or fasting, then they introduce self-serving decadence to draw people in like OSAS, predestination, showing off in “tongues”, health/wealth, etc.
The leaders serve themselves, make lots of money, and then try to control everyone to keep them from leaving.