I legit had a shower thought about how cool a Lost Planet character would be in MvC, and here I see it in ANOTHER game, thank you so much for enlightening me
Honestly this makes me want the next CV game to use the Pilot as the fighter using the same kind of weapon system where they spawn with the gunsword and can swap to a shotgun or others and give them grapple movement with a mech for an install super.
Tbh plenty of characters do good vs JackO, and JackO herself isn't that good, it's just that she's very "all of nothing", but when she's on the all, it feels real bad
It's still bizarre to this day that we have Steve in Smash. Outside of that premise, the fact that, in a game about positioning and stage control, Steve can just _make the stage,_ makes him extremely unique and not play like any other character.
Ngl, the phrase "Make The Stage" gave me the idea of a platfighter where the first like, 1-2 minutes are the players building the stage (A la Ultimate Chicken Horse), and then afterwards you fight on your creations. The amounts of sabotage and counter-sabotage would be endless and immaculate, and it would be comical to watch
@@glacierwolf2155 No, I mean build maps collectively, then use them. Tryna make a map that helps you more than them while they do the same. Not wall infinites, more like half an underground maze and half a big open field, and yes, all map pieces will be set (Also like Chicken Horse), so no creating actual hell or impossible maps or something
I'm not sure it makes him experimental exactly, but Goldlewis in Strive having one special that can be performed off of any half circle input and every possible input changing the move's hitbox, frame data and properties is pretty unique. It's literally eight different moves in a trench coat and it makes Goldlewis very versatile all on its own
As a long-time Lost Planet 2 player, PTX's translation into TVC is actually really, really accurate. Also for example, if you take Ryu there and put his model into a sitting position, he'd fit right into the cockpit of the PTX practically perfectly, so it's also proportionally accurate! "Gargos feels like a boss character." Gee, I wonder why!
Phil Spencer actually was pretty direct about KI in an interview a while ago. According to him they want to make another and are actively searching for a studio to make it, but it's been really hard finding the right fit.
I think that's a good thing tbh. Iron Galaxy is apparently not interested in making another one and as a known KI enjoyer I would rather not have a new KI than have a new KI made by devs who don't care as much as IG did.
I feel like PTX is quite of the fun "arsenal" kind of character. It has some combos and his ranged attacks are limited, one strong option but every weapon has ammo then you need to "summon" new weapons. Pretty fun.
Too bad you can't get access to the "ultimate form", which has less armor but like twice the speed and can actually do combos, we get the preview in its lv3 super, but it would've been nice if the form stayed for a while like an Install
Because of their focused scope, fighting games have the opportunity to go much wilder than most genres when it comes to the toolkits of their characters. It's the main thing I love about the genre along with the great animation and all the friends we've made along the way.
That’s one of the biggest things I love about Killer Instinct. They went out of their way to make sure every single character plays differently, and all of them play with the basic system mechanics a little differently.
What would be your thoughts on games that have combat systems like fighting games, but experiment with elements of other genres? There's not really many of them out there, with the only examples i can rightly think of -or at least games with a style close to it- being Mortal Kombat: Shaolin Monks, Kya: Dark Lineage, Anarchy Reigns, God Hand and the upcoming God of Rock.
One thing to mention about that last one with Gargos, although it's less unique, he can combo off of those portal punches. So, with those portal punches, and minions, he can full combo you, albeit from less damage, from fullscreen. And he can get in close if you switch to his kicks instead of his punches, given that he can just fly straight at you.
I dislike all the random background characters tbh, thats an issue with a couple of other stages too. They're mostly OCs from contributors but that glaring OC energy of them makes them all stick out like a sore thumb.
One of my favorite Bizarre fighting game characters is Koishi in Touhou: hopeless masquerade. Her whole gimmick is she's a being that functions entirely on instinct so all her specials don't activate on input, instead by inputing a DP for example you bank that special in her memory, and then when you put her into a position where she can anti air she'll just do it. Giving you the vibe that she's kind of playing by her own rules. It gives her frame perfect actions but also it's up to you to capitalize or be aware of the posititions you put her in since banking a special takes her a moment of vulnerability and if you don't use the banked move in 6 seconds she'll just do it wherever you are. So her entire gameplan is finding openings to bank your moves and then quickly making sure to capitalize on them for their frame perfect activations without holding onto them too long causing them to fire off prematurely. The fact she has "automatic contextual activations" gives off the vibe she'd be easy to use at first since it takes the timing aspect off your hands in the moment but in Reality she's by far the most technical character in the game because of the macro game you have to play with them.
As much of a licensing nightmare it would be, I really hope someday Tatsunoko vs. Capcom can get a re-release. So many cool characters trapped there. Seriously, even just the Capcom picks are so inspired! Megaman got three reps from three different series with Roll, Volnutt and Zero, stuff like Onimusha and Quiz Nanario Dreams got some love...we even got Alex in here!
Onimusha receiving any cross-over love always makes me happy, so of course it's in the game that has no chance in hell of ever leaving the wii... man how I wish Capcom were making the kind of money that'd allow them to make more than Resi and MonHun every year and like ONE other new game that's not just a retro-release...
You unfortunately hit the nail on the head, case in point; the Shonen Jump fighting games. Victory Vs Plus is now only available as a rare physical game (I haven't checked Ebay as I bought it digitally when it was available); Jump Force isn't available to buy digitally, but it's still somehow listed on the PS Store on PS4. Jump Force's DLC is no longer available and is now only buyable as a physical game. All because of licensing.
Honestly, I'm impressed that you skirted the many BlazBlue characters entirely, seeing how several of them have crazy unique gimmicks. Susano'o has all of his specials locked, and every hit moves a cursor over a list of icons representing them. Using his unique move, you then unlock the currently marked special and reset the cursor to its initial position. And his Super then uses every unlocked Special in one big combo before the massive beam finisher. Rachel uses wind to manipulate the flight path of her projectiles and her own momentum, Nine combines elements from her normal attacks into elemental summons, the list goes on. Not all characters are entirely unique in their game design, but their execution tends to be really original. It's kinda impressive how deep each character goes.
Ik, like, Arakune could be his own goddamn vid with how much he has (Extra Airdash, Swooping Airdashes, Fake Out moves, The dives, 3C vs 2C, His main gimmick, and there's STILL more to unpack) ... I think we can all agree Blazblue shall be the king of gimmick chars, cuz most of em have one, and it's rlly interesting to see how that affects them
The giant fighters proves to people that Capcom has the complete ability to add Monster Hunter and Cyberbots to MVC, not just human characters. I don't understand why they didn't do it, but now may be a good time to making Capcom VS Capcom, they don't need Marvel anymore.
In case anyone was wondering (aka all of you watching), PTX 40 is a vehicle from Lost Planet, one of the greatest sandbox shooters of all time. Capcom please make another LP
With ms fortune her hit box is actually changed when the head is off, which lets her dodge some attacks. Skullgirls has an obscene amount of unique characters with weird gimmicks, like big band, Eliza, dahlia and those are just the ones I’m naming off the top of my head. Pretty cool game, definitely my favorite 2d fighting game
Go play Gundam Battle Assault 2, you can play as the Mobile Armors, who makes the Gundams, who are already giant robots, look like a midget in comparison.
What I love about skullgirls is that every character plays different. Filia has air dash cancel from specials. Cerebella is a grappler with ALL the tools they could as for. Peacock has that lottery mechanic. Parasoul has tear mines. Painwheel has guard from all of her moves. Valentines has vials. Double is double. Squigly has a unique charge stance mechanic and screen control (literally), BigBand has parries, Eliza has sehkmet and blood, Fukua has clone setup, Robo has drones, Annie is literally has GG char lost in skullgirls, Beowulf is literally a finak fight char, Umbrella has hunger mechanic, and now Dahlia has unique ammos.
Fun fact about Ms.Fortune from Skullgirls that you didn't mention! after throwing her head: She can hit it herself, bouncing it around as an attack! which means she doesn't just get a puppet: she also gets a tool to use as a possible link!
Your videos are the best JM, it’s crazy how you can go back months or years and they’ll all be quality, yet your most recent stuff is always even more well-made
Two caveats about PTX and Gold Lightan (PTX was my secondary back in the day): 1 - While they does have super armor, they actually can't take too many consecutive hits. Eventually it leads to an auto-dizzy and they lose their super armor while dizzy. Which leads to... 2 - Giants _can_ be combo'd! If he's dizzy the opponent can launch them for an Aerial Rave. HOWEVER some characters have moves that ignore super armor and allow them put a giant into a hittable state. Because of this, while a few characters are forced to play riskily to adequately damage a giant, others can actually open them up to legit combos. And some characters are so good at it they can develop unique anti-giant combos. Mega Man Volnutt is a prime example of a character who can perform some crazy combos on giants.
Just wanted to throw in there that the giants in TVC can be command grabbed (not regular grabbed), have a large tech window on their grabs, and they're the only characters besides Alex who can use the Snapback mechanic.
The thing I really wish later fighting games borrowed from TvC is a character taking up multiple slots in a tag fighter. It just seems like such a cool way to make a character that normally wouldn't fit into that structure! If we get another Capcom crossover fighter, that's how you really include Monster Hunter. Add Rathalos as one character that fills three slots, because there's no better Monster Hunter rep than 'three people getting bodied by a dragon'.
Definitely Ice Climbers in their first iteration in Melee should be included, it's literally 2 identical characters who normally does the same move EXCEPT when you "desync" and can do different moves independently. I do not beleive desyncing, which is basically the whole character, was intentional at all. The mechanics regarding how Nana follows you are pretty jank so you can make her semi-teleport to you with some moves, you can fling her forward while she's doing a projectile with the Nana-pult, etc. And you don't lose control over the other one if only one of them are in hitstun, which actually makes grabbing them impossible in most scenarios (the one you didn't grab can just hit you) Oh and when Nana gets separated far enough from you she'll get controlled by the CPU whose main goal is to get back to Popo. However she is more likely to hit you randomly with strong attacks the higher her % is. She has a propensity to try to airdodge to platforms in this state which can make her SD, and she can also do a very laggy taunt. Extreme jank. She is very complex and it would be hard to do her justice without even playing the game, even alot of competitive players have no clue how she works lol. I'd recommending asking the discord and focusing on one game if you do cover her, although I could see how it wouldn't be worth the effort.
There's a lot of Smash fighters that could qualify as "experimental", given how much their playstyles differ from the usual. - Pokemon Trainer: Three different fighters in one. - Olimar: A lot of his attack utilize whatever Pikmin is following him, each with their own special strengths and weaknesses (like Blue Pikmin having strong throws, and White Pikmin having strong pummels). - Robin: His weapons - tomes and Levin Sword - are potent, but have limited uses. Also, he can use the Levin Sword for midair smash attacks. - Ryu: The first fighting game guest star, he of course plays like a Street Fighter character, with command inputs and everything. - Bayonetta: Just about all of her attacks can be extended with Bullet Arts. - Hero: He can charge his three standard spells into stronger versions, at the cost of more MP, and can pick from four random commands. - Terry: Similar to Ryu, though his moves don't have Light/Heavy variants. Instead, he has two different side specials (depending on which way you tilt) and Super Specials when he's at critical. - Min Min: She can launch her two ARMS forward and/or backward at the same time, with the attack button controlling one arm and the special move button controlling the other. - Steve: One of the biggest resource fighters of the bunch, using mined materials for blocks, anvils, Minecarts, TNT, and crafting weapons. - Sephiroth: His Winged Mode makes him feel like a boss ready to strike back, with extra speed, jumps, power, and super armor. - Kazuya: Not as many fancy command inputs as Ryu or Terry, but he has a WIDE plethora of normal moves for even more situations (like rising from a crouch, or whether or not he's crouching).
A.B.A. from GG feels like an experimental, but maybe she's just an install character and not so weird, but I certainly couldn't get my head around playing her.
@tedjo muljono she plays nothing like Nago. While there are similarities (A.B.A and Nago both having an install that lowers health), how they go about it is completely different A.B.A. wants to be in her installs for as long as possible, as her base version is literally the worst character in the series (still playable, though). Her install (which is activated by a command grab or a blood pack) made her into an actual character but also lowered her health every time she did an attack, and your install could be ended prematurely by getting swepped. Her blood pack was a limited resource that could put you in and out of her install and, when used to deactivate her install, had an effect of healing her self damage. She also had an install super that was basically a win condition. A.B.A. was all about going from the weakest character in the game to the strongest as the round went on. Nago, on the other hand, is all about threading the needle. His special costs blood gauge, which filled would take 70% of his life and allowed you to go hog wild for a few seconds. Unlike A.B.A, who gets stronger as time goes on, Nago is all about to do or die. When he's on any type of long offense, he basically instantly pops into his install. And while it comes with a lot of downsides, if he's quick about it, he could basically instantly take control of the situation and end the round. These two characters are completely different.
@@tedjomuljono3052 Oh yeah, Zappa is absolutely more experimental. He has elements of stance and install characters, but with the win condition of unlocking Raoh. Great stuff, I wish he'd make a return, although I'm not sure how well he'd translate to Strive. Hell, even Venom is pretty experimental tbh. It's interesting to have a character that is so expressive and versatile that you can play him so many ways, but that still has clearly defined weaknesses (defense in this case) and keeps a distinct _identity._ Also, Venom is simple enough to function within Strive more or less as-is, so (aside from maybe a little bit of overlap with Jack-O) there's really no excuse
@@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034 fwiw ABA also has the issue where if she lets her install run out naturally the recovery is so long she can get mega combo-ed or even IKed, so there is a bit of that "threading the needle" style gameplay, it's not as simple as just popping the install. I mostly agree with you though.
It’s too bad a version of PTX-40A didn’t get added into Marvel vs Capcom 3. Slightly surprised all the Capcom side from Tatsunoko vs Capcom didn’t just get dropped into that game. PXT’s weapons systems would make for a nice addition to Marvel’s War Machine.
If we're talking unique characters, let me give a shoutout to BBCF for having Nine, whose gameplay is essentially brewing up special moves in the middle of her combos and blockstrings.
I'd give a mention to Dr. Basconovitch from tekken 3 and Dampierre in Soul Calibur 5. While most characters are generally apply high execution to their offense. Dr. B goes in the opposite direction and has high execution in regards to his defense. As whenever he blocks an attack, tries to backdash, or attack other than his jabs he will then start to fall and the only way to stop this is to press forward. If you do fall the only way to get back up is to either press 4 or do a roll and press up at the right time. Also he is the only character in tekken to have a randomized start as he has a chance to start a match or round standing, laying down face up feet towards opponent or falling down head first towards the opponent. You can also guarantee he will stand by holding one of the attack buttons. (Forget which one might be 3) Dampierre adds rng to some of his attacks. Where when he uses certain moves he has a chance to either enter a fake pain stance or fall over. This is problematic as his best bnb requires repeated uses of a move that can make him fall over and most of his mix-ups with the fake pain stance are pretty fake. Twelve from 3s should also be mentioned. As he is clearly an experimental character in the series. A "what if he gave a character top tier equivalent neutral but make them as weak as possible". As Twelve possesses long range normals, a projectile, an air dash and super jump cancelable normal. Also possessing some great EX moves. However, his damage on all of these things are underwhelming. He still gets by due to his strong neutral and pressure as he can do his air dash immediately off the ground and go for a variety of mix-ups while super jump canceling his cl. MK. The fact a street fighter character can do these things is absurd. This is stuff from MVC for crying out loud.
While I agree that 12 is very cool, he absolutely does not get by. You only win if you're way better or the enemy isn't ready for the mu... I say this as a hella mid 12 main
I wasn't saying anything about the video, I was speaking of your mention that 12 is functional. I am merely disagreeing over a small topic on the Internet (And no, 12's total lack of being a functional character will not stop me from maining him, I am only stating an opinion of mine)
I see a VS From Lost Planet and i CLICK such an underrated series and Forgotten by Capcom it is so rich and deep I pray they brig it back especially wth the remake frenzy they're on, I would love to see a remastered Lost Planet 2 as it was the best game in the franchise. If there's ever a new MVC PTX has to make a return even as a DLC character i would buy that in a heartbeat LOL.
The weirdest thing about the PTX is that it's not even the most iconic Lost Planet mech. I think it was chosen because it fully encloses the pilot and has loads of equipment. You literally only see it for the first time in the last hour and a half of the 8+ hour game.
True at the point but you may be underselling how important it can be to be the final mech that you are forced to you in a game which is otherwise very flexible. Besides a decent amount of merch for that mech (presumably as using Gale would have licensing issues due to his unnecessary likeness to a popular actor), it also got a lot of love in E.X. Troopers though it wasn't the mech that the main character piloted from the start to finish.
I like to play the unique characters because it makes me feel like I’m “different” and that fills the hole left in me made by insecurity. Also because I like being the League nexus in Xrd.
I love ki. If you ever do a list like this again I’d love you to cover eyedol. hands down one of my favorite and most unique fighting game characters ever
I still have not just the TvC game, I have the limited edition arcade stick. I have held out hope for so long wishing for a re release. Given how we've all seen how certain entities are beyond not interested in licensing, *cough Disney cough* I've all but given up on wishing. Hell, maybe all we need is Max to start making videos about why TvC needs to come back.
One thing I noticed when you were demonstrating Miss Fortune's headless super that you failed to mention seems to be that if you have the head spaced properly like you had it, you could potentially do some interesting combos
Fun fact: In Tatsunoko vs Capcom, they were planning to include not just Phoenix Wright but Franziska von Karma as well. They couldn't figure out how to balance his objection whose speech bubble is a different size between the English and Japanese versions, so he got scrapped. And because Phoenix Wright got the boot, so too did von Karma. Keep in mind this was before Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 so it would have been his first appearance in any vs Capcom game
I found a free Japanese indie fighter a few years back that had a mech taller than the screen. Might've been a reference to Tatsunoko, as the roster was otherwise normal sized (but VERY FAR from normal). It's called Fighting Class, or Kakutou Class.
This video was made for me. If I had any ability to influence something for JMCrofts to look at, is the characters from Battle Craze which all have three different forms for each character which all play completely differently and all have unique mechanics for each character and side. Or how E's Laf 2++ has characters with super unique and amazing mechanics.
Love me some Battle Craze and that game definitely has some wild ideas. It was kind of funny when I told a friend of mine about Side-S Gabby and he got actually mad about the character concept. She has literally different move sets depending on if she's on the left or right side of the opponent, it's such an utterly bizarre character concept.
Johnny joestar deserves credit simply for being paraplegic. In a fighting game, designing a character who intentionally can only crawl at a snails pace and needs to level up by landing supers and that problem still never goes away is pretty Ludicrous.
I kinda wanna hear you talk about Paprika on the next episode of this series of vids. She's a character with fake-ass pressure that she makes real by locking the opponent out of most of their fast reversal options with her basket gifts, and also is a character with a billion overheads and like... 1 meterless low in 2A. She also has both forward to back charge and back to forward charge, a level 2 Super that has really really random damage, a command grab that compounds the frame trap situation she has going on, and also... y'know, she's a goofy lil' Alpaca. I can hear Sajam whispering in the back of my head... "Stabby has better anti-air and footsies than 90% of the people who go to your locals..."
the main strength of TvC giants that you didn't really emphasis that much is that they force you to play against them completely differently to any regular chracter. Simply through a choice on character select screen the giant player strongly influences how the game will be played.
As much as I love the coverage of the PTX 40A VS, I'm torn you didn't mention the games it comes from, Lost Planet 1 and 2, and that it has a super of which represents a significant transformation and battle in the first game. More people need to play LP1-2.
Fortune is a great example for a puppet character done right, but I feel like a brief mention of D’bo from heritage for the future would’ve been cool since he was the first puppet character made
Interestingly, Ultra Fight Da Kyanta 2 doesn’t have many “experimental” characters, nor does it have many “experimental” systems it’s just that the game and its systems are all turned up to 11 and get so *kooky krazy for coco puffs* that and gameplay or clips of the game look absurd. Many characters have normal tools that *look* normal, such as fireballs, arcing projectiles, sliding lows, oki setups, high low mixups, fuzzy overheads, dive kicks, DPs, air fireballs, etc. Many familiar things. But when you look at the frame data, EX moves and excellent multi-hit scaling and egregious forms like Demon Mode, no character collision, everything gets crazy and many characters open up infinites or TODs. Starting it up as a casual is like starting up Marvel 3 for the first time as a casual, new to the genre. “Oh this is pretty funny look at this silly raccoon guy!” And then, you learn how to abuse the engine, busted combos, and infinites. And THAT’S when the game goes from good to great!
I will say, though, that the game definitely DOES NOT lack for weirdo characters in the slightest. Don’t get it twisted, this game is one of FGC sin, and it’s all the better for it!
I'm going to toss in a lot for Amane Nishiki from Blazblue Centralfiction. Amane is a Limbs character, kinda, but they also lack high-low mix entirely, and aim to keep the opponent blocking and win via chip kills, or the threat of a chip kill, additionally, their ordinary combo routes drag the opponent all over the screen, and are generally some of the prettiest I've seen in any game.
I'd say the 3 Boss characters in KI are pretty out there in terms of experimentation... ARIA has an extra lifebar, and each has a unique moveset that swaps at will Eyedol has 2 brains that switch control of the body at RANDOM, each with its own specials
Ms. Fortune being both a token beast Fighter and Puppet archetype is really interesting as someone who never got into either archetypes when I first started. I was a zoner main in any fighting games with one. And I would have went to peacock if I didn't have a fascination with Catgirls. My whole progress with Ms. Fortune went from "oh man my head is an extra hitbox" to " spike my head into them and lock them into the wall using every move in my arsenal while having my head do the low hits to ensure my opponent is unable to block everythinf
Damn I thought if there was a KI pick it would be Aganos. Gargos is like Nappa on steroids (or rather Nappa is like Gargos on… not-steroids) meanwhile Aganos is literally changing the damn stage around him Also I’m surprised to not see any Injustice 1 or 2 characters here. Like The Atom changes his size, that seems pretty experimental. Quan Chi in MKX was pretty experimental and Geras in MK11 not only had weird stuff with manipulating the game’s actual clock that was casual mode only, he had a tournament legal move that could literally rewind time which he could use in hitstun to escape combos and get his health back.
Y'know, seeing all these Blazblue comments made me realize that Blazblue itself is a gimmick fighter... -Susano'o literally unlocks his own moveset mid-battle -Tager has magnet grabs -Tao is everywhere -Rachel moves herself and projectiles with omnidirectional wind -Nine creates moves with her normals -Arakune is... A lot... -Izanami can do grounded normals in the air, leading to... A lot... And she can also lose blocking & certain follow-ups for free projectiles And let's not forget the Overdrive mechanic that makes everyone's crazy gimmick even crazier It's actually just the chaos sphere in there, and ngl, thaz prolly why I love it
Funny that you chose Ms. Fortune and not Dahlia, whom you chose to be the dummy in that example. The second I saw that reload super loading 6 different shots, I knew that character was something special.
Hello jmcrofts, I think that another character from a 3d fighting series is very interesting and that's hwang from soulcalibur 6. The character has a mechanic that can make him start rounds with half life and handicap him, but is essentially like this because the moves that cost from his talisman mechanic are so good he has the mechanic as a draw back, as well as being able to gain more meter, gain health, or gain guard gauge and have unique interactions between those things as well as having very unique moves making for a very versatile character that is one of a kind and I have yet to see anything like in any other fighting game. Hope you make a video on him one day and if you need some tournament footage I can send you plenty of mine including top 4 evo footage or some from other tournaments 🙏
I was impressed by some Crucis Fatal Fake characters. It's a fan tag team 2v2 fighting game based on Fate/Stay Night. You are choosing team of 2 characters: a Master and a Servant. Servant is on point, Master is on anchor. If Master dies, you lose. As I remember, Masters have less health. Only Servants and Shiro have recoverable health. Only Masters and Caster can assist. Also, stock of meter depends on team composition. And some characters very unique. First, Illya. Unlike other Masters she does not fight. Servant dies you lose. She gives a lot of stocks. Meter recovers insanely fast. And she has unlimited Comand Spells. instead of 3. Second, Berserker. Unlike other characters he does add stocks, but makes them fewer. In combination with some Masters team will have only 1(!!!) stock, which makes level 2 unavailable. Caster/Illya team for instance will have 8. He's pretty bad with any Master, except Illya, in fact. But with Illya he's strong. Because a unique mechanic. Everytime he dies, he'll ressurect, if you have at least 1 stock of meter. Everytime. Third, Avenger. He has a super, that creates a save point in a match. If Master dies while Avenger is alive, a match resets to the save point. So, he used that super you'll have to kill him first and only then a Master. As a honorable mention, Caster was originally planned to be played as a Servant and a Master.
Lol, I love TvC, crazy old tokusatsu and OLD anime characters. Gargos sorta reminds me of Dr. K's "Call Nurse Masako" super in Ultra Fight Da Kyanta 2 (crazy free indie fighter on steam). you send out a nurse that sorta runs around and follows your opponent, and you can set up puppet-esque sandwiches and stuff. super cool
I was about to mention down throw under a platform but you covered it! I've been labbing platforms and have been trying to find more ways to use them . I tend to send out a slow Hadoken right in the middle of the platform so it can catch anyone rolling or missing a tech
I kind of would like to see a fighting game where all characters have some kind of minions. I kind of get why that wasn't a thing in the past as more characters on screen mean more performance is needed to the game to look good, but at some point it should be possible to do such a game and to make it look decent.
I love Zappa from Guilty Gear Accent Core. He is randomly possessed by demons that give him different sets of abilities until he is hit. Among those abilities there is always at least one that gives him a charge, and after getting like 8 charges, he can summon the most powerful demon
Other characters that fit this bill: Jack-O, Guilty Gear Xrd Revelator...has minions like Gargos and they even "level up" and place little houses and stuff Blitztank, ABK/BBTAG, needs no explanation Amane from BlazBlue as he relies on chip damage for most of his damage
People who played TvC, were the giants actually fun to fight against? Shit like perma-super armor and being unable to combo them seems like it'd be just plain unfun to play against
If you hit them enough times they go into a dizzy state which you can juggle them with. About six characters can instantly set them into a juggle state, one of those characters having that ability as an assist, and any attack that breaks armor shuts them down. They're still annoying but the game gives you enough tools to deal with them. Someone described them as knowledge checks and I like that description, when you learn how they work they're just another character
The giants in general were sort of the go-to rage character that people selected when you beat them up too hard, so there's always the threat of them popping up. Fortunately, *actually* good giant players were really rare, and most characters had at least some options for dealing with them (projectiles/mobility, as well as any command throw/cinematic super) so it's not too bad as long as you know what you're doing. My main team was naturally very good at fighting giants though, so my opinion might not be too fair lol. To go in a bit more detail about the matchups, Gold Lightan isn't that big of a problem. His dash has a super long animation, so it's pretty easy to run and zone him as long as you're looking out for his stomp and whatnot. It's also worth remembering that any of the giants' throws can be broken out of by mashing, so even if Lightan gets in, it can be hard for him to actually open you up. PTX, however, has a full-screen armored tackle that is very hard to fight around (especially because it can be cancelled at any time with Baroque) which lets him approach quickly and start pressuring you with his strong mixup options. Plus there's everything else JM has said this video, especially the stuff about the unblockable missiles during his super. Good PTXs are very, very scary.
There is a game that’s kind of interesting but really complicated at first, and the game will is like 18 years old now XD Toribash is the name, and you change joint states to create your own moves, allowing many playstyles, including those outside of actual fighting! (Note that you don’t gotta actually play or anything, this is just a suggestion for something to look up in your free time)
I legit had a shower thought about how cool a Lost Planet character would be in MvC, and here I see it in ANOTHER game, thank you so much for enlightening me
Easy to fly under the radar, that game was exclusive to the Wii, but very fun in my opinion. But I always have a soft spot for crossover games.
@@emwbjr There was actually an arcade version as well! Super fun game with a ton of unique characters!
Honestly this makes me want the next CV game to use the Pilot as the fighter using the same kind of weapon system where they spawn with the gunsword and can swap to a shotgun or others and give them grapple movement with a mech for an install super.
@@GuitarSlayer136 This.
Lost Planet 1 & 2 are two of my favorite games!
GG Rev 2 Jack-O is "experimental", whether its good or bad depends on whether you're playing her, or playing against her.
Tbh plenty of characters do good vs JackO, and JackO herself isn't that good, it's just that she's very "all of nothing", but when she's on the all, it feels real bad
Ah yes, the tower defense character of a fighting game.
And now its time to put my minions in a house.
Typical Overture enjoyer
Venom is also experimental, with each button corresponding to the direction that the billard balls will fly.
It's still bizarre to this day that we have Steve in Smash. Outside of that premise, the fact that, in a game about positioning and stage control, Steve can just _make the stage,_ makes him extremely unique and not play like any other character.
Nah, hes just busted. Playtesters phoned that one in.
@@JerryLeeHowell2 they were developing the characters during COVID remote. Sakurai said it was very hard
Ngl, the phrase "Make The Stage" gave me the idea of a platfighter where the first like, 1-2 minutes are the players building the stage (A la Ultimate Chicken Horse), and then afterwards you fight on your creations. The amounts of sabotage and counter-sabotage would be endless and immaculate, and it would be comical to watch
@@megamansoupreme7122 So just wall infinites?
@@glacierwolf2155 No, I mean build maps collectively, then use them. Tryna make a map that helps you more than them while they do the same. Not wall infinites, more like half an underground maze and half a big open field, and yes, all map pieces will be set (Also like Chicken Horse), so no creating actual hell or impossible maps or something
I'm not sure it makes him experimental exactly, but Goldlewis in Strive having one special that can be performed off of any half circle input and every possible input changing the move's hitbox, frame data and properties is pretty unique. It's literally eight different moves in a trench coat and it makes Goldlewis very versatile all on its own
"Eight different moves in a trench coat" is one of the most hilarious images I've ever had pop up in my mind XD
"In this Behemoth Typhoon..."
At least it doesn't have diagonal half circle inputs.
Example: 36987
Erm acktiually it's 16 moves in a trench coat
As a long-time Lost Planet 2 player, PTX's translation into TVC is actually really, really accurate. Also for example, if you take Ryu there and put his model into a sitting position, he'd fit right into the cockpit of the PTX practically perfectly, so it's also proportionally accurate!
"Gargos feels like a boss character."
Gee, I wonder why!
Phil Spencer actually was pretty direct about KI in an interview a while ago. According to him they want to make another and are actively searching for a studio to make it, but it's been really hard finding the right fit.
I think that's a good thing tbh. Iron Galaxy is apparently not interested in making another one and as a known KI enjoyer I would rather not have a new KI than have a new KI made by devs who don't care as much as IG did.
I feel like PTX is quite of the fun "arsenal" kind of character.
It has some combos and his ranged attacks are limited, one strong option but every weapon has ammo then you need to "summon" new weapons.
Pretty fun.
Too bad you can't get access to the "ultimate form", which has less armor but like twice the speed and can actually do combos, we get the preview in its lv3 super, but it would've been nice if the form stayed for a while like an Install
I feel like Lady would play similarly to PTX if she were ever in an MvC game, just way less slow, with weapon switching, reloading, etc.
Because of their focused scope, fighting games have the opportunity to go much wilder than most genres when it comes to the toolkits of their characters. It's the main thing I love about the genre along with the great animation and all the friends we've made along the way.
That’s one of the biggest things I love about Killer Instinct. They went out of their way to make sure every single character plays differently, and all of them play with the basic system mechanics a little differently.
What would be your thoughts on games that have combat systems like fighting games, but experiment with elements of other genres? There's not really many of them out there, with the only examples i can rightly think of -or at least games with a style close to it- being Mortal Kombat: Shaolin Monks, Kya: Dark Lineage, Anarchy Reigns, God Hand and the upcoming God of Rock.
One thing to mention about that last one with Gargos, although it's less unique, he can combo off of those portal punches.
So, with those portal punches, and minions, he can full combo you, albeit from less damage, from fullscreen.
And he can get in close if you switch to his kicks instead of his punches, given that he can just fly straight at you.
I've NEVER liked playing KI like that. Between Gargos and KI's music imma keep watching those tourneys tho
Also he is a boss character so it makes sense he feels like a boss
Man that skullgirls stage looks soo good
Play Skullgirls
I dislike all the random background characters tbh, thats an issue with a couple of other stages too. They're mostly OCs from contributors but that glaring OC energy of them makes them all stick out like a sore thumb.
Agree
@@gummybootsSo that’s why I don’t recognize any of those guys from the story
Meh, they look way too chill when in a middle of a fight. Marvel v Capcom 1 does stages better with all the crazy things it shows.
One of my favorite Bizarre fighting game characters is Koishi in Touhou: hopeless masquerade.
Her whole gimmick is she's a being that functions entirely on instinct so all her specials don't activate on input, instead by inputing a DP for example you bank that special in her memory, and then when you put her into a position where she can anti air she'll just do it. Giving you the vibe that she's kind of playing by her own rules. It gives her frame perfect actions but also it's up to you to capitalize or be aware of the posititions you put her in since banking a special takes her a moment of vulnerability and if you don't use the banked move in 6 seconds she'll just do it wherever you are.
So her entire gameplan is finding openings to bank your moves and then quickly making sure to capitalize on them for their frame perfect activations without holding onto them too long causing them to fire off prematurely. The fact she has "automatic contextual activations" gives off the vibe she'd be easy to use at first since it takes the timing aspect off your hands in the moment but in Reality she's by far the most technical character in the game because of the macro game you have to play with them.
As much of a licensing nightmare it would be, I really hope someday Tatsunoko vs. Capcom can get a re-release. So many cool characters trapped there. Seriously, even just the Capcom picks are so inspired! Megaman got three reps from three different series with Roll, Volnutt and Zero, stuff like Onimusha and Quiz Nanario Dreams got some love...we even got Alex in here!
Onimusha receiving any cross-over love always makes me happy, so of course it's in the game that has no chance in hell of ever leaving the wii... man how I wish Capcom were making the kind of money that'd allow them to make more than Resi and MonHun every year and like ONE other new game that's not just a retro-release...
You unfortunately hit the nail on the head, case in point; the Shonen Jump fighting games. Victory Vs Plus is now only available as a rare physical game (I haven't checked Ebay as I bought it digitally when it was available); Jump Force isn't available to buy digitally, but it's still somehow listed on the PS Store on PS4. Jump Force's DLC is no longer available and is now only buyable as a physical game.
All because of licensing.
@@thefightinggameplayeras a guy who’s pro-preservation, I’d say Jump Force being hard to obtain and play is a very good thing
Honestly, I'm impressed that you skirted the many BlazBlue characters entirely, seeing how several of them have crazy unique gimmicks.
Susano'o has all of his specials locked, and every hit moves a cursor over a list of icons representing them. Using his unique move, you then unlock the currently marked special and reset the cursor to its initial position. And his Super then uses every unlocked Special in one big combo before the massive beam finisher.
Rachel uses wind to manipulate the flight path of her projectiles and her own momentum, Nine combines elements from her normal attacks into elemental summons, the list goes on. Not all characters are entirely unique in their game design, but their execution tends to be really original. It's kinda impressive how deep each character goes.
Ik, like, Arakune could be his own goddamn vid with how much he has (Extra Airdash, Swooping Airdashes, Fake Out moves, The dives, 3C vs 2C, His main gimmick, and there's STILL more to unpack)
... I think we can all agree Blazblue shall be the king of gimmick chars, cuz most of em have one, and it's rlly interesting to see how that affects them
Pretty much the whole cast are gimmick characters
The giant fighters proves to people that Capcom has the complete ability to add Monster Hunter and Cyberbots to MVC, not just human characters.
I don't understand why they didn't do it, but now may be a good time to making Capcom VS Capcom, they don't need Marvel anymore.
Just make Capcom Fighting All-Stars real
Últimate Capcom's Fighter
I would love to play TvC with rollback. The characters and mechanics are a lot of fun. I especially loved Tekkaman blade and Casshern.
I used to be in a discord where people had pretty frequent matches, I need to find that again
In case anyone was wondering (aka all of you watching), PTX 40 is a vehicle from Lost Planet, one of the greatest sandbox shooters of all time. Capcom please make another LP
They did lost planet 2 - 3 but they both come close to the first release especially number 3 it sucks ass
With ms fortune her hit box is actually changed when the head is off, which lets her dodge some attacks. Skullgirls has an obscene amount of unique characters with weird gimmicks, like big band, Eliza, dahlia and those are just the ones I’m naming off the top of my head. Pretty cool game, definitely my favorite 2d fighting game
I still love how TVC counts damage straight up in billions lmao
I really loved the Giant Characters concept of TvC. I wish more fighting games did it.
Go play Gundam Battle Assault 2, you can play as the Mobile Armors, who makes the Gundams, who are already giant robots, look like a midget in comparison.
Man PTX-40A seems totally Baroque’in
I’ll see myself out
What I love about skullgirls is that every character plays different.
Filia has air dash cancel from specials. Cerebella is a grappler with ALL the tools they could as for. Peacock has that lottery mechanic. Parasoul has tear mines. Painwheel has guard from all of her moves. Valentines has vials. Double is double. Squigly has a unique charge stance mechanic and screen control (literally), BigBand has parries, Eliza has sehkmet and blood, Fukua has clone setup, Robo has drones, Annie is literally has GG char lost in skullgirls, Beowulf is literally a finak fight char, Umbrella has hunger mechanic, and now Dahlia has unique ammos.
Fun fact about Ms.Fortune from Skullgirls that you didn't mention! after throwing her head: She can hit it herself, bouncing it around as an attack! which means she doesn't just get a puppet: she also gets a tool to use as a possible link!
Your videos are the best JM, it’s crazy how you can go back months or years and they’ll all be quality, yet your most recent stuff is always even more well-made
Two caveats about PTX and Gold Lightan (PTX was my secondary back in the day):
1 - While they does have super armor, they actually can't take too many consecutive hits. Eventually it leads to an auto-dizzy and they lose their super armor while dizzy. Which leads to...
2 - Giants _can_ be combo'd! If he's dizzy the opponent can launch them for an Aerial Rave. HOWEVER some characters have moves that ignore super armor and allow them put a giant into a hittable state.
Because of this, while a few characters are forced to play riskily to adequately damage a giant, others can actually open them up to legit combos. And some characters are so good at it they can develop unique anti-giant combos. Mega Man Volnutt is a prime example of a character who can perform some crazy combos on giants.
A TvC remake would be insane. If they do it cross platform it might even blow up. Add a bonus character or two, and we might see it at Evo lol.
Just wanted to throw in there that the giants in TVC can be command grabbed (not regular grabbed), have a large tech window on their grabs, and they're the only characters besides Alex who can use the Snapback mechanic.
The thing I really wish later fighting games borrowed from TvC is a character taking up multiple slots in a tag fighter. It just seems like such a cool way to make a character that normally wouldn't fit into that structure!
If we get another Capcom crossover fighter, that's how you really include Monster Hunter. Add Rathalos as one character that fills three slots, because there's no better Monster Hunter rep than 'three people getting bodied by a dragon'.
12:10 i like how you stuttered saying "microsoft" like a hitsquad was going to bust through your door if you uttered their name.
I really like your channel right now, love the videos about general fighting game culture. Keep it up!
Definitely Ice Climbers in their first iteration in Melee should be included, it's literally 2 identical characters who normally does the same move EXCEPT when you "desync" and can do different moves independently. I do not beleive desyncing, which is basically the whole character, was intentional at all.
The mechanics regarding how Nana follows you are pretty jank so you can make her semi-teleport to you with some moves, you can fling her forward while she's doing a projectile with the Nana-pult, etc.
And you don't lose control over the other one if only one of them are in hitstun, which actually makes grabbing them impossible in most scenarios (the one you didn't grab can just hit you)
Oh and when Nana gets separated far enough from you she'll get controlled by the CPU whose main goal is to get back to Popo. However she is more likely to hit you randomly with strong attacks the higher her % is. She has a propensity to try to airdodge to platforms in this state which can make her SD, and she can also do a very laggy taunt. Extreme jank.
She is very complex and it would be hard to do her justice without even playing the game, even alot of competitive players have no clue how she works lol.
I'd recommending asking the discord and focusing on one game if you do cover her, although I could see how it wouldn't be worth the effort.
So bliztank is one to talk about for it's dash is a attack and it's can't jump over the opponent unless you super jump
There's a lot of Smash fighters that could qualify as "experimental", given how much their playstyles differ from the usual.
- Pokemon Trainer: Three different fighters in one.
- Olimar: A lot of his attack utilize whatever Pikmin is following him, each with their own special strengths and weaknesses (like Blue Pikmin having strong throws, and White Pikmin having strong pummels).
- Robin: His weapons - tomes and Levin Sword - are potent, but have limited uses. Also, he can use the Levin Sword for midair smash attacks.
- Ryu: The first fighting game guest star, he of course plays like a Street Fighter character, with command inputs and everything.
- Bayonetta: Just about all of her attacks can be extended with Bullet Arts.
- Hero: He can charge his three standard spells into stronger versions, at the cost of more MP, and can pick from four random commands.
- Terry: Similar to Ryu, though his moves don't have Light/Heavy variants. Instead, he has two different side specials (depending on which way you tilt) and Super Specials when he's at critical.
- Min Min: She can launch her two ARMS forward and/or backward at the same time, with the attack button controlling one arm and the special move button controlling the other.
- Steve: One of the biggest resource fighters of the bunch, using mined materials for blocks, anvils, Minecarts, TNT, and crafting weapons.
- Sephiroth: His Winged Mode makes him feel like a boss ready to strike back, with extra speed, jumps, power, and super armor.
- Kazuya: Not as many fancy command inputs as Ryu or Terry, but he has a WIDE plethora of normal moves for even more situations (like rising from a crouch, or whether or not he's crouching).
Absolutely bring back Tatsunoko vs Capcom. Its one of my favorite fighting games. If your over the top then im in love.
A.B.A. from GG feels like an experimental, but maybe she's just an install character and not so weird, but I certainly couldn't get my head around playing her.
Shes the first install *character* (as in a character that solely focuses on installs)
She's basically proto-Nagoriyuki, where you can control whether you want Blood Rage or not
Zappa felt more experimental than her tbh
@tedjo muljono she plays nothing like Nago. While there are similarities (A.B.A and Nago both having an install that lowers health), how they go about it is completely different
A.B.A. wants to be in her installs for as long as possible, as her base version is literally the worst character in the series (still playable, though). Her install (which is activated by a command grab or a blood pack) made her into an actual character but also lowered her health every time she did an attack, and your install could be ended prematurely by getting swepped. Her blood pack was a limited resource that could put you in and out of her install and, when used to deactivate her install, had an effect of healing her self damage. She also had an install super that was basically a win condition. A.B.A. was all about going from the weakest character in the game to the strongest as the round went on.
Nago, on the other hand, is all about threading the needle. His special costs blood gauge, which filled would take 70% of his life and allowed you to go hog wild for a few seconds. Unlike A.B.A, who gets stronger as time goes on, Nago is all about to do or die. When he's on any type of long offense, he basically instantly pops into his install. And while it comes with a lot of downsides, if he's quick about it, he could basically instantly take control of the situation and end the round.
These two characters are completely different.
@@tedjomuljono3052 Oh yeah, Zappa is absolutely more experimental. He has elements of stance and install characters, but with the win condition of unlocking Raoh. Great stuff, I wish he'd make a return, although I'm not sure how well he'd translate to Strive.
Hell, even Venom is pretty experimental tbh. It's interesting to have a character that is so expressive and versatile that you can play him so many ways, but that still has clearly defined weaknesses (defense in this case) and keeps a distinct _identity._ Also, Venom is simple enough to function within Strive more or less as-is, so (aside from maybe a little bit of overlap with Jack-O) there's really no excuse
@@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034 fwiw ABA also has the issue where if she lets her install run out naturally the recovery is so long she can get mega combo-ed or even IKed, so there is a bit of that "threading the needle" style gameplay, it's not as simple as just popping the install.
I mostly agree with you though.
It’s too bad a version of PTX-40A didn’t get added into Marvel vs Capcom 3. Slightly surprised all the Capcom side from Tatsunoko vs Capcom didn’t just get dropped into that game. PXT’s weapons systems would make for a nice addition to Marvel’s War Machine.
I mean we did get a couple. Zero and Frank immediately come to mind
Tatsunoko vs Capcom was amazingly good fun that I wasn't expecting.
If we're talking unique characters, let me give a shoutout to BBCF for having Nine, whose gameplay is essentially brewing up special moves in the middle of her combos and blockstrings.
JM: "Head on"
My brain: "Apply directly to the forehead"
I'd give a mention to Dr. Basconovitch from tekken 3 and Dampierre in Soul Calibur 5.
While most characters are generally apply high execution to their offense. Dr. B goes in the opposite direction and has high execution in regards to his defense. As whenever he blocks an attack, tries to backdash, or attack other than his jabs he will then start to fall and the only way to stop this is to press forward. If you do fall the only way to get back up is to either press 4 or do a roll and press up at the right time. Also he is the only character in tekken to have a randomized start as he has a chance to start a match or round standing, laying down face up feet towards opponent or falling down head first towards the opponent. You can also guarantee he will stand by holding one of the attack buttons. (Forget which one might be 3)
Dampierre adds rng to some of his attacks. Where when he uses certain moves he has a chance to either enter a fake pain stance or fall over. This is problematic as his best bnb requires repeated uses of a move that can make him fall over and most of his mix-ups with the fake pain stance are pretty fake.
Twelve from 3s should also be mentioned. As he is clearly an experimental character in the series. A "what if he gave a character top tier equivalent neutral but make them as weak as possible". As Twelve possesses long range normals, a projectile, an air dash and super jump cancelable normal. Also possessing some great EX moves. However, his damage on all of these things are underwhelming. He still gets by due to his strong neutral and pressure as he can do his air dash immediately off the ground and go for a variety of mix-ups while super jump canceling his cl. MK. The fact a street fighter character can do these things is absurd. This is stuff from MVC for crying out loud.
While I agree that 12 is very cool, he absolutely does not get by. You only win if you're way better or the enemy isn't ready for the mu... I say this as a hella mid 12 main
@@megamansoupreme7122 the video wasn't about how good the characters are. Just naming experimental characters that are completely unique.
I wasn't saying anything about the video, I was speaking of your mention that 12 is functional. I am merely disagreeing over a small topic on the Internet (And no, 12's total lack of being a functional character will not stop me from maining him, I am only stating an opinion of mine)
I see a VS From Lost Planet and i CLICK such an underrated series and Forgotten by Capcom it is so rich and deep I pray they brig it back especially wth the remake frenzy they're on, I would love to see a remastered Lost Planet 2 as it was the best game in the franchise.
If there's ever a new MVC PTX has to make a return even as a DLC character i would buy that in a heartbeat LOL.
The weirdest thing about the PTX is that it's not even the most iconic Lost Planet mech. I think it was chosen because it fully encloses the pilot and has loads of equipment. You literally only see it for the first time in the last hour and a half of the 8+ hour game.
True at the point but you may be underselling how important it can be to be the final mech that you are forced to you in a game which is otherwise very flexible.
Besides a decent amount of merch for that mech (presumably as using Gale would have licensing issues due to his unnecessary likeness to a popular actor), it also got a lot of love in E.X. Troopers though it wasn't the mech that the main character piloted from the start to finish.
Claiming that the PTX isn't the most iconic mech from LP has got to be the single most idiotic thing I've read this week
@@protonjones54 The Drio is used in basically just as much marketing material.
Surprised he didn't mention being able to hit ms fortunes detached head
I like to play the unique characters because it makes me feel like I’m “different” and that fills the hole left in me made by insecurity. Also because I like being the League nexus in Xrd.
I love ki. If you ever do a list like this again I’d love you to cover eyedol. hands down one of my favorite and most unique fighting game characters ever
Eyedol kicks ass. It also helps that he's not only a stance character but also arguably a top 5 character
When you find a miss fortune that loves playing puppet characters: So no head?
I still have not just the TvC game, I have the limited edition arcade stick. I have held out hope for so long wishing for a re release. Given how we've all seen how certain entities are beyond not interested in licensing, *cough Disney cough* I've all but given up on wishing. Hell, maybe all we need is Max to start making videos about why TvC needs to come back.
Great video!! I was surprised to not see Frank West from MvC3. I always thought his combo level up system was super fun!
One thing I noticed when you were demonstrating Miss Fortune's headless super that you failed to mention seems to be that if you have the head spaced properly like you had it, you could potentially do some interesting combos
Gargos is literally every character archetype all at once
Fun fact: In Tatsunoko vs Capcom, they were planning to include not just Phoenix Wright but Franziska von Karma as well. They couldn't figure out how to balance his objection whose speech bubble is a different size between the English and Japanese versions, so he got scrapped. And because Phoenix Wright got the boot, so too did von Karma.
Keep in mind this was before Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 so it would have been his first appearance in any vs Capcom game
Gargos is a really cool character! Where’s the new KI🥲 but also surprised you didn’t mention Nappa as diet Gargos😂
I found a free Japanese indie fighter a few years back that had a mech taller than the screen. Might've been a reference to Tatsunoko, as the roster was otherwise normal sized (but VERY FAR from normal). It's called Fighting Class, or Kakutou Class.
This video was made for me.
If I had any ability to influence something for JMCrofts to look at, is the characters from Battle Craze which all have three different forms for each character which all play completely differently and all have unique mechanics for each character and side.
Or how E's Laf 2++ has characters with super unique and amazing mechanics.
Love me some Battle Craze and that game definitely has some wild ideas. It was kind of funny when I told a friend of mine about Side-S Gabby and he got actually mad about the character concept. She has literally different move sets depending on if she's on the left or right side of the opponent, it's such an utterly bizarre character concept.
@@keltzar1 and don't forget her super that lets you have one sides moveset on both sides.
Eyyy, Battle Craze players! Ngl, I love the idea of someone taking a look at this chaos
Lol, that damage readout in Tatsunoko. BILLION DAMAGE!!! XD
Seeing PTX-40A just makes me sad about what happened to the Lost Planet franchise. WE NEED A PROPER REVIVAL, CAPCOM.
Johnny joestar deserves credit simply for being paraplegic. In a fighting game, designing a character who intentionally can only crawl at a snails pace and needs to level up by landing supers and that problem still never goes away is pretty Ludicrous.
Ginyu and Nappa in DBFZ with their own versions of the "minions" would definitely take a spot on this list once DBFZ goes a bit out of mind.
my pick from ki would've been eyedol, the two-headed ogre who's an rng stance character because his two heads are fighting for control over the body
I kinda wanna hear you talk about Paprika on the next episode of this series of vids. She's a character with fake-ass pressure that she makes real by locking the opponent out of most of their fast reversal options with her basket gifts, and also is a character with a billion overheads and like... 1 meterless low in 2A. She also has both forward to back charge and back to forward charge, a level 2 Super that has really really random damage, a command grab that compounds the frame trap situation she has going on, and also... y'know, she's a goofy lil' Alpaca.
I can hear Sajam whispering in the back of my head... "Stabby has better anti-air and footsies than 90% of the people who go to your locals..."
the main strength of TvC giants that you didn't really emphasis that much is that they force you to play against them completely differently to any regular chracter. Simply through a choice on character select screen the giant player strongly influences how the game will be played.
As much as I love the coverage of the PTX 40A VS, I'm torn you didn't mention the games it comes from, Lost Planet 1 and 2, and that it has a super of which represents a significant transformation and battle in the first game. More people need to play LP1-2.
Guido Mista from JJBA All star battle r has gotta be one of the most complicated projectile characters if you want to take the anime pill
Fortune is a great example for a puppet character done right, but I feel like a brief mention of D’bo from heritage for the future would’ve been cool since he was the first puppet character made
Interestingly, Ultra Fight Da Kyanta 2 doesn’t have many “experimental” characters, nor does it have many “experimental” systems it’s just that the game and its systems are all turned up to 11 and get so *kooky krazy for coco puffs* that and gameplay or clips of the game look absurd.
Many characters have normal tools that *look* normal, such as fireballs, arcing projectiles, sliding lows, oki setups, high low mixups, fuzzy overheads, dive kicks, DPs, air fireballs, etc. Many familiar things. But when you look at the frame data, EX moves and excellent multi-hit scaling and egregious forms like Demon Mode, no character collision, everything gets crazy and many characters open up infinites or TODs.
Starting it up as a casual is like starting up Marvel 3 for the first time as a casual, new to the genre. “Oh this is pretty funny look at this silly raccoon guy!” And then, you learn how to abuse the engine, busted combos, and infinites. And THAT’S when the game goes from good to great!
I will say, though, that the game definitely DOES NOT lack for weirdo characters in the slightest. Don’t get it twisted, this game is one of FGC sin, and it’s all the better for it!
I'm going to toss in a lot for Amane Nishiki from Blazblue Centralfiction. Amane is a Limbs character, kinda, but they also lack high-low mix entirely, and aim to keep the opponent blocking and win via chip kills, or the threat of a chip kill, additionally, their ordinary combo routes drag the opponent all over the screen, and are generally some of the prettiest I've seen in any game.
I always play the gimmick fighters, or big bodies in fighting game characters. You said it in a nicer way with “experimental” rather than gimmick.
I'd say the 3 Boss characters in KI are pretty out there in terms of experimentation...
ARIA has an extra lifebar, and each has a unique moveset that swaps at will
Eyedol has 2 brains that switch control of the body at RANDOM, each with its own specials
Man I still can’t get over the fact that there is a playable Lost Planet character in a fighting game. I love that
Gargos functionally reminds me a bit of Red Arremer from SvC Chaos. Neat.
So what I'm getting is that PTX is Phoenix Wright if he was a giant robot
And without a turnabout mode(well, PTX does have one, you just can't control the form)
If im correct, Ms. Fortune can comb off her super with headless while when her head is on just leads to wake-up mixups.
Ms. Fortune being both a token beast Fighter and Puppet archetype is really interesting as someone who never got into either archetypes when I first started.
I was a zoner main in any fighting games with one. And I would have went to peacock if I didn't have a fascination with Catgirls.
My whole progress with Ms. Fortune went from "oh man my head is an extra hitbox" to " spike my head into them and lock them into the wall using every move in my arsenal while having my head do the low hits to ensure my opponent is unable to block everythinf
Just saved a rough day when this notification hit thanks man!
“This boss character feels like a boss character”
Damn I thought if there was a KI pick it would be Aganos. Gargos is like Nappa on steroids (or rather Nappa is like Gargos on… not-steroids) meanwhile Aganos is literally changing the damn stage around him
Also I’m surprised to not see any Injustice 1 or 2 characters here. Like The Atom changes his size, that seems pretty experimental. Quan Chi in MKX was pretty experimental and Geras in MK11 not only had weird stuff with manipulating the game’s actual clock that was casual mode only, he had a tournament legal move that could literally rewind time which he could use in hitstun to escape combos and get his health back.
Y'know, seeing all these Blazblue comments made me realize that Blazblue itself is a gimmick fighter...
-Susano'o literally unlocks his own moveset mid-battle
-Tager has magnet grabs
-Tao is everywhere
-Rachel moves herself and projectiles with omnidirectional wind
-Nine creates moves with her normals
-Arakune is... A lot...
-Izanami can do grounded normals in the air, leading to... A lot... And she can also lose blocking & certain follow-ups for free projectiles
And let's not forget the Overdrive mechanic that makes everyone's crazy gimmick even crazier
It's actually just the chaos sphere in there, and ngl, thaz prolly why I love it
Ok but you still haven't talked about the Les Miserables fighting game.
Yeah
Funny that you chose Ms. Fortune and not Dahlia, whom you chose to be the dummy in that example. The second I saw that reload super loading 6 different shots, I knew that character was something special.
Hello jmcrofts, I think that another character from a 3d fighting series is very interesting and that's hwang from soulcalibur 6. The character has a mechanic that can make him start rounds with half life and handicap him, but is essentially like this because the moves that cost from his talisman mechanic are so good he has the mechanic as a draw back, as well as being able to gain more meter, gain health, or gain guard gauge and have unique interactions between those things as well as having very unique moves making for a very versatile character that is one of a kind and I have yet to see anything like in any other fighting game. Hope you make a video on him one day and if you need some tournament footage I can send you plenty of mine including top 4 evo footage or some from other tournaments 🙏
I would love to see Tatsunoku Vs. Capcom have a re-release!
MANY Reasons why TVC will never come in any forum is how the Animation Company is hard to work with.
I was impressed by some Crucis Fatal Fake characters.
It's a fan tag team 2v2 fighting game based on Fate/Stay Night.
You are choosing team of 2 characters: a Master and a Servant. Servant is on point, Master is on anchor. If Master dies, you lose. As I remember, Masters have less health. Only Servants and Shiro have recoverable health. Only Masters and Caster can assist. Also, stock of meter depends on team composition.
And some characters very unique.
First, Illya. Unlike other Masters she does not fight. Servant dies you lose. She gives a lot of stocks. Meter recovers insanely fast. And she has unlimited Comand Spells. instead of 3.
Second, Berserker. Unlike other characters he does add stocks, but makes them fewer. In combination with some Masters team will have only 1(!!!) stock, which makes level 2 unavailable. Caster/Illya team for instance will have 8. He's pretty bad with any Master, except Illya, in fact. But with Illya he's strong. Because a unique mechanic. Everytime he dies, he'll ressurect, if you have at least 1 stock of meter. Everytime.
Third, Avenger. He has a super, that creates a save point in a match. If Master dies while Avenger is alive, a match resets to the save point. So, he used that super you'll have to kill him first and only then a Master.
As a honorable mention, Caster was originally planned to be played as a Servant and a Master.
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Lol, I love TvC, crazy old tokusatsu and OLD anime characters.
Gargos sorta reminds me of Dr. K's "Call Nurse Masako" super in Ultra Fight Da Kyanta 2 (crazy free indie fighter on steam). you send out a nurse that sorta runs around and follows your opponent, and you can set up puppet-esque sandwiches and stuff. super cool
I was about to mention down throw under a platform but you covered it! I've been labbing platforms and have been trying to find more ways to use them . I tend to send out a slow Hadoken right in the middle of the platform so it can catch anyone rolling or missing a tech
I kind of would like to see a fighting game where all characters have some kind of minions. I kind of get why that wasn't a thing in the past as more characters on screen mean more performance is needed to the game to look good, but at some point it should be possible to do such a game and to make it look decent.
Gargos feels like a boss because that's his origin. Sagat vibes, for the same reason.
Dude I’ve never heard or seen anything about TVC this is so sick!!!!
I love Zappa from Guilty Gear Accent Core. He is randomly possessed by demons that give him different sets of abilities until he is hit. Among those abilities there is always at least one that gives him a charge, and after getting like 8 charges, he can summon the most powerful demon
Other characters that fit this bill:
Jack-O, Guilty Gear Xrd Revelator...has minions like Gargos and they even "level up" and place little houses and stuff
Blitztank, ABK/BBTAG, needs no explanation
Amane from BlazBlue as he relies on chip damage for most of his damage
It wasn't showcased here for whatever reason but gargos can use portals in combos too
People who played TvC, were the giants actually fun to fight against? Shit like perma-super armor and being unable to combo them seems like it'd be just plain unfun to play against
If you hit them enough times they go into a dizzy state which you can juggle them with. About six characters can instantly set them into a juggle state, one of those characters having that ability as an assist, and any attack that breaks armor shuts them down. They're still annoying but the game gives you enough tools to deal with them. Someone described them as knowledge checks and I like that description, when you learn how they work they're just another character
The giants in general were sort of the go-to rage character that people selected when you beat them up too hard, so there's always the threat of them popping up. Fortunately, *actually* good giant players were really rare, and most characters had at least some options for dealing with them (projectiles/mobility, as well as any command throw/cinematic super) so it's not too bad as long as you know what you're doing. My main team was naturally very good at fighting giants though, so my opinion might not be too fair lol.
To go in a bit more detail about the matchups, Gold Lightan isn't that big of a problem. His dash has a super long animation, so it's pretty easy to run and zone him as long as you're looking out for his stomp and whatnot. It's also worth remembering that any of the giants' throws can be broken out of by mashing, so even if Lightan gets in, it can be hard for him to actually open you up.
PTX, however, has a full-screen armored tackle that is very hard to fight around (especially because it can be cancelled at any time with Baroque) which lets him approach quickly and start pressuring you with his strong mixup options. Plus there's everything else JM has said this video, especially the stuff about the unblockable missiles during his super. Good PTXs are very, very scary.
even though playing as/against Lightan was kind of a crapshoot, PTX was a really fantastic and fun character concept
There is a game that’s kind of interesting but really complicated at first, and the game will is like 18 years old now XD
Toribash is the name, and you change joint states to create your own moves, allowing many playstyles, including those outside of actual fighting!
(Note that you don’t gotta actually play or anything, this is just a suggestion for something to look up in your free time)
I love giant characters in fighting games
the one thing from tatsunoko is that imo, as someone who never played again since my wii. Joe the condor hard counter them with his weird upangle grab
Wow, never thought I was going to see a Lost Planet robot armor in a SF game 🤭😅😅
Yay Killer Instinct Representation! BRING IT BACK!!!
Love the thumbnail. It implies ryu is approximately 10 inches tall
Love your videos bro