@@Brandon-mf5uh nobody gives a shit about your challenger, another typical " hey check out the cold start on my 392, dont it sound bitchen?" Just fuckin with all these boards playing shit music and cold starts. Reminds me when we were kids saying " check out those tits" Wish it would go back to that. What do you think about that butthurt Brandon 392??
Even if they did answer your question it would be wrong.I have emails of them arguing with me, trying to tell me my 92 f150 has rear disk breaks. They are drums, I even sent a picture of the drums to the idiot and he said that's not a 92 f150. They are about as useful as a bag of dicks
@@demogorilla ha ha. I remember that night. I was drunk and still pissed off from the night before, when that happened. Actually I'm pretty sure my English teacher would smack me in the back of the head.
Cmon y’all this is the first RUclips video I’ve seen in a long time that got straight to the point without an entire life story and history of the channel. Good job dude!
Shorties do have easier bends than cast manifolds and they alsonhave larger primaries typically than LT. for drivability shorties typically offer more benefit than LT especially in a truck where low end is more desired than top end. You will see an improvement below peak torque with shorties verses simply a higher number at peak torque with LT. it really comes down to how high your engine revs past peak torque and how often you drive past peak torque.
Completely false that shorties are better down low vs long tubes. Quality long tube headers that are appropriately sized for the engine, will outperform shorties at ALL rpm ranges.
@@nickwebb9937 to some extent. But it REALLY varies based on the engine we are talking about. Pretty much any late model v-8, comes stock with cast manifolds that are damn near shorties anyway. The GM LS based truck engines are a great example of this. Shorties will gain almost nothing, if they do actually gain anything. Longtubes can be a pretty obvious change, assuming they are appropriately sized. I personally would not go through the effort of swapping out the manifolds, unless you have one that is cracked for instance. In that case, you have to pull stuff apart anyway, no harm in replacing the cast parts with some short tubes. I have done this very thing for that reason. More recently, I put some longtubes on a Vortec Max 6.0, the difference was pretty big. The most noticeable part was actually under the curve, not at peak.
wlabishler 1 it all comes down to application. On my 86 Bronco here in California shorty’s are my best bet. I can’t stroke my motor or do much to it at all aside from heads and a mild cam (my efi is antique and I have smog to deal with). Sure they more closely resemble manifolds, especially in newer cars, but 80’s motors were literally strangled to death. Shorties will be a huge upgrade over my stock manifolds and it lets me still run my cats and everything from a stock location, and I get better torque over stock.
@@booniekc heres the deal if your headers run close to the starter they make self stick heat rejection mat. While your starters out install it around the starter motor. You can also get fiberglass like material made into a tube you can slip over wires that run near the headers. You can make a heat sheild out of some old coffee cans or soup cans. The thing is to look at how close stuffs going to be and fix it before you melt stuff or heat soak your starter.
This video is riddled with garbage information. 0:43 show me a dyno of where a shorty outperforms a long tube (or even oem manifold) at low end. Also long tube fitment is a non-issue on a quality header. But summit sells junk like pacesetters, so it may be true from their perspective.
Brian Samuels long tube give low end power cause they flow better. That already gives more power and I never had to remove my starter to put headers on my 83 k5 blazer
thomas hayes did you notice more low end power with long tubes? They said that short tubes are for low end power but I want long tubes because I want more power at high rpms and I don’t want to loose low end power. :-)
u didnt waste your money. where do you spend most of your driving rpm at?? not at the top end so u are getting what u paid for. long tubes are good if u drive your car wide open a lot, other than that u dont get the benefit of the long tube headers. just my opinion for an everyday driver shorties of mid length is the way to go
Sean Hamre thanks! Yeah I mean I never even go to the track or anything I just daily drive and occasionally I’ll race someone but it’s literally nothing above 60 mph anyway. If I do it’s just red light races from a stop
I put zoomies on my 2.3L ranger. They stick out of the fender on the passenger side and are about 20 inches long. Don't know if it did anything for power, but it sounds badass!!
You can help the shorty tubes scavenge better by putting a fueling pinch in the header tubes with in about 6 to 8 in of the cylinder head. I've seen it done with a lot of success especially on things like Harley engines.
I put shorty headers on my 90 k1500 and did get a "seat of the pants" performance increase over the stock manifolds. It is a tow vehicle so I need the low end torque and bottom end. So for the cost of replacement I am very happy. Not to mention the installation was a breeze.
Stop stating that shorty headers provide more torque...that simply is NOT true. A shorty header will never out perform a long-tube header with the same sized primary tubes at low rpm. The exhaust scavenging mentioned is more important at low to mid range, and the extra velocity from the longer tubes creates better scavenging in the low to mid rpm range. The only advantage of the shorty is fitment and/or emissions compliance...not performance. Shorty headers can provide an improvement in flow over a stock manifolds higher in the rpm range, but they will never match a long-tube in the low to mid range.
On my Mustangs I noticed way more torque. More power at the top end from the long tube headers. I've had multiple cars with each and if I ever build another car it will definitely be long tube.
My opinion shorties are good for trucks that 2500 rpm is where mine usually stays on highway unlock a car or stick shift can get higher rpm would go long tube just my take on it
I've got tuned shorties on my 2015 SS 1/LE, love the low end. I've often wondered if I should have done the long tubes - now I think I made the right move. GREAT explanation. It's still on the stock exhaust from the mid back, but I do like the sound, don't think I'll ever go full aftermarket. Chevy did start adding the X-pipe on the 2016s and newer, so I am getting ready to do that. Looking forward to the possible scavenge gains and the sound!
I’m with you man. I have shorties on a Saleen S281 and the Low end torque will glue you to your seat. I did lose on highways gains but there’s something special about hitting 70 mph in second gear in 5 seconds!
Kyore watch this video in fact if you don't want to watch the whole thing go to around the 15 min mark. They tested a bunch of long tubes than the end they throw on a set of shorties for shits and giggles guess what? torque and HP down on the whole rpm band low end to top so wheres the gains in torque on low end with shorties? ruclips.net/video/O1bXPNy1Yn4/видео.html
If you are doing it for more power for towing/hauling, I would recommend the shorty. If you are doing it for performance, I would recommend the full length.
I would go with shorty headers both for ground clearance especially with portal axles etc and because low end power will be better for rock crawling and towing which. If you are looking for road racing performance I stead of off-road though it might be worth getting the long tubes.
First and most important do research and pay attention to recommendations . Long tube header will not cause torque loss unless you do not pay attention to size recommendations . Lets say you have a choice of a 1 3/4 primary or a 1 7/8 primary and the 1 3/4 is recommended for stock engines. If you use the 1 7/8 you will have a torque loss and since your engine being stock will not take advantage of hi speed use from big headers. Next brand of header makes BIG difference . After damaging my hooker comp headers I replaced them with a lesser brand of the same size . Big mistake I lost 1000 rpm on top end and engine started missing which required retuning to stop the missing but I did not get the 1000 rpm back. I always make my own mufflers but the new stuff has gotten much better. If you run full exhaust to rear of car you will always lose hi rpm power. On race track you should have a tube added to back of header same size as collector but it should be tuned . To tune tube on collector start with a length of 20"" and take a tire crayon and draw a straight line down it's full length . Make a couple of passes then cut tube wear burn mark stops. Then rejet carb if injected it should retune itself . Always follow manufacturers recommendations most of the time they know there stuff better than you . Ok guy's now go smokem .
Given that the shorty headers provide less pulse vacuum internally, would it be a good idea to increase the diameter of the exhaust system from 2.5 to 3.0 inches to provide better top end?
Geeez people you need to get your information from knowledgeable people shorties will not give you more torque over long tube low end or top end. There just a replacement for manifolds that may be slightly better. There are videos with dyno results that prove this I suppose next you'll tell me I need back pressure in my exhaust system too.
The way it was explained to me not too long ago is that before computer modeling and flow profiling this was a general rule and if one stuck to it would generally do well. But it seems that with the advancement of technology the ability to design and build better flowing headers have made short style headers less of a handicap these days so much so that unless you are running an all out dragster a short style header should be all most people can truly benefit from. Am I misinformed?
D N , shortys provide lower rpm power, long tube work better mid to high rpm. Check out Billy Nees. He runs NHRA n/sa with a grand prix with a 301 and has a few good articles on header and collector lengths.
Yea, for racing high rpm applications, I understand that, but a lot of guys put them on their street and on/off road vehicles. I am just saying for people who have vehicles that are dual purpose these days a good set of shorties should be fine right? Unless you are doing 7,000+ rpm regularly?
D N long tubes are great for MID to high rpm. Mid rpm is roughly 3000 rpm give or take high rpm is about 6-6500 rpm. Shortys are good for off idle to low rpm 1500-2000rpm. Do you spend a lot of time at at lower rpms in over drive? Or do you have a 4 speed with 4.10s and cruise at around 3000 rip'ems? Either choice is an improvemet, it all depends on your application and what you want.
LS1 swap 5.3l L59, PCM flashed for LS swap into 69 camaro: problem- backfiring in exhaust tube. Yes I have longtube headers. Passenger side running 50 - 100 hotter then driverside. Any ideas?
What size diameter of headers will be best for my application? 85 Square Body w/355 & 400TH. The motor will make approximately 385 HP. I have Vortec Heads and would like to be able to have access to change my plugs easily. Will long tubes be difficult to change the plugs?
Why would Ford not just out long tubes on the GT500 or any mustang from factory ? They put shorties LOL - there is a reason ?? My GT 2017 with muffler delete X pipe is fast as hell and solid and fast with shorties
He should have mentioned, the more an engine is built the more important it becomes to use high quality long tube headers, I've been building 600 horse 2nd gen LT1road racing engines, the build is not complete until a good set of long tube headers go on.
So if I'm looking for more torque for a truck application (no Baja or racing, mainly for getting over stuff (overlanding)) would shorty headers meet the mark? Eventually considering force induction, but haven't crossed that road yet
Shorty header would meet your goals just fine if you're looking for improved low-end power. Adding a supercharger will dramatically increase power across the entire rpm range. It will also require improved exhaust flow, and you may want to consider using a header with larger primaries.
Hey! Great video’ i have a Gm crate engine 350. 1year old. Driven 2000 km since first startup. It has a 262 comp cam. Edelbrock eps intake #2701 and The edelbrock 500carb #1403. I am thinking about goin for The headers from Summit G9006? How much horsepower will it Get close to? You have any other suggestions AS far as increasing The overall performance?
@@GCANDY100 yea, headers are probably the best bang for bucks your going to get...I know you already know cams, heads and superchargers are a great way to increase horsepower but they can get expensive.
I've had a set of long tubes on my '68 C10 327 since 2006 when I had rebuilt my motor. Fortunately I had plenty of room to install them. Never had an issue overheating the starter. At the 2:20 mark I've scraped my header flanges at times, and my truck is at stock height. I'll have to replace my headers with the short tubes or a set of ram horns when I perform the 4/6 drop.
On modern cars not so much. Only because modern Manifolds are pretty good. On Old muscle cars it's a huge difference like 20+hp/ torque. They will look good on your car. and they do tend to increase low end torque on most cars. I think the Summit guy just wants you to spend more money. Long tubes suck for speed bumps and driveways.
All this is great news for older less complicated engines and car systems, but for those new cars which have fuel injection systems and have a lot of electrical systems under the hood, you need to consider what benefits you will get and what the cost of those benefits will be after changing the factory headers to 4 into 1's or Try y headers, in fact the best ones to use is based on how you drive the new car, so basically if you want more HP down low range ie: 1,500 to around the 4 K mark then use try y headers or shortys, but if your going to track days a lot or street drags, then 4 into 14 would be best, but dont forget, then most tunner places will say you need 4 into 1 headers, but what they dont tell you is they will tune your engine to the headers and thus you engine will make approx 50 HP at the rear wheels for a new Chevy SS for example, but also they dont tell you you need the rest of the system as well, meaning the CATS and CAT back system installed as well, but in reality you will get just as much HP just by a tune of the same engine, they will not tell you this because the business is about selling the headers and also they do not tell you that the headers need ceramic coating due to the extreme heat under the hood and how close your electrical system,s are to the headers especially the chevy Ss which has electrical steering system. So please make sure if your going to get Headers for your car to kook if the model comes out with factory performance headers for the same make and model of your car, like for example the holden SS o chevy SS has HSB or holden special Veichacl which then you can by the HSV headers which come out with TRY Y headers on some models and will give your just as much performance but cost you only 1/4 of the price and specially if get the same try y headers from HSV and have them ceramic coated :)
Im Planning to buy/ im wanting to install long tube catted headers from Stainless works for my 1998 Mercury Grand Marquis (they are prefitted to my vehicle as it stats) but im being estimate between 900$-1,500$ in labor from several shops to install them... which i think that ridiculous. im Getting them a buddy of mine Name marty Ochs from Mosspeedshop in Georgia...(His price is 300$-400$ to install then) but i live in Tucson,Az but ive been told you can't
Have a 67 base model Cougar with single exhaust. Don't know much about it. I dont race the the car but looking for little more power and better sound. It's a 289 4 b. What would you suggest?
The A body mopars imported to my country are all RHD so to try avoiding the steering box I have long headers on the passenger side and short headers on the drivers side, will this damage my motor ? It's a stock 318La small block . ?
I have a 2005 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 crew cab LS v8 5.3 LM7 325 cubic inch engine and I want to get headers for it, but I don't know if I want long or shortly tube headers as well as my biggest problem is that I don't know exactly what size headers I need so I don't order the wrong size headers for them to not fit my truck.
Shorties are a joke! they make a tiny bit more power than a stock manifold in the low rpm... they are a cheap alternative to expensive manifolds. long tube will make more power than a shorty at ALL RPMs low to high, although the biggest gains are in the mid to high, they still make far more power in the low end than any shorty. That's a fact you can take to the bank!
I am sorry but every other source explains long tube headers are better low to mid RPM and short headers are better at high RPM. Its all about getting the exhaust out quickly at higher RPM so the shorter the distance the better. I believe the long tube makes power low. Motor Trend agrees with me but Holley agrees with Summit. I guess it really comes down to the diameter of the pipe and if its forced induction. Anyone else got any input on the science behind this?
1st Gen Tundra, no lift, mostly used for truck bed camping, and to replace factory broken manifold or short factory header? Should I go long or short? 4.7 2000 model
Every race car driver knows longy is for low end torque & shorty is for high end torque.....but fuck it I'll drop a big sticker on my vehicle & get 30xs the horsepower
How come you guys have no split headers for Chevy 250 straight six? I’ve searched all over the Internet and there’s only two companies and they make the shorties and they are super expensive. 250 Chevy engines are very very popular. And I’m talking about cars not tracks
Hello, I have a Chevy truck with a 350 engine and I want to put some headers on it, which one do you recommend and which brand? I have it for daily use
I am only considering shorty headers because dorman cast iron manifolds are onlyblasting about 2 yrs and cracking. I dont want a louder exhaust. Will my exhsust be louder if I bolt these to my stock exhaust?
Long tubes are a waste of money for stock motors. Shorty's are what you need for stock and just driving around and pulling. Add heads cam intake then long tubes are perfect
I have longtube hookers headers on my 1977 torch red vette.On older cars headers are sick.I would not put them on a modern car,My car is 44 years old,I also put on a high performance exhaust manifold,and flowmaster 40 mufflers.It sound awesome.added about 22 more horsepower,but i did it for the sound,the sound rocks the house for sure.thanks russ.
I'm looking for a set of long tube headers I can force be with the z bar can you give me the part number or do you even make them appreciate it thank you
What is the difference between running long tube headers and running short tube headers with test pipes it's pretty much the same thing as long tube headers right
I have 57 Ranchero w/390FE. The stock header just barely clear the steering gear box. I want long tube do I have to go custom or is there a long tube that will clear my steering box
I have a 1995 chevy1500 5.7 v8 pickup . I’m not looking for anything fancy but something that just gives it a lil more power to my truck. What would you recommend? Thanks
Shorty headers are a good upgrade and most of the time require minimal fabrication if any to hook up to the exhaust. www.summitracing.com/search/part-type/headers/year/1995/make/chevrolet/model/k1500/header-style/shorty?sortby=default&sortorder=ascending&keyword=headers&kr=headers&N=header-style%3ashorty
Would it make sense to get a cam optimized for high RPM if I get a shorty header and if i got a long tube headers i would want a cam optimized for low rpm power?
Stock replacements ? So people buy shortys thinking their getting performance Parts when their just replacing the OEM style headers? There has to be some benefit for shorties other then placement issues. are for just looks.
Derpy Derp maybe 3-5 hp but I've been researching aftermarket parts for about 4-5 years..especially since I've had a couple of mustangs (2 currently). I've talked with professionals as well as other car enthusiast. If one really wants aftermarket headers for performance, long tubes is the way to go. Depending for what vehicle, it could range from $200-1,000) and get gains (again depending what vehicle) from 15-30 HP. Shorties would open up your exhaust system...but nothing like long tubes. And if you happen to go for some...go ceramic headers because they will last you longer then ordinary chrome finish.
CRUZ_GT chrome don’t get you home. Wow that’s awesome information. I bought headmen headers for my 289 and they are awesome I can feel the difference when I hit the gas from when I had the OEM factory headers on. Huge difference. I can imagine the open ports the long tube give. I will defiantly get some
Leon Garza long tubes , you'd need to weld the Flowmaster to your midpipe (basically switch your stock muffler to that Flowmaster one) but your midpipe might be smaller due to the long tubes
I have a 1999 Chevy Tahoe 2 door 5.7l vortec was wondering if you know a good set of long tubes for my vehicle I can’t find any or am unsure if they will fit I would appreciate a response thanks
Here is a link to the full length header options that we offer for the 1999 Tahoe www.summitracing.com/search/year/1999/make/chevrolet/model/tahoe/department/exhaust/section/headers/part-type/headers/engine-size/5-7l-350/engine-family/chevy-small-block-gen-i/header-style/full-length?N=header-style%3Afull-length&SortBy=Default&SortOrder=Ascending
I have a 2014 mustang gt with off road X pipe and GT500 exhaust. I want to put on long tube headers just don't know which would be best. Do I need to find one that actually fits my exhaust? how much power do you yield? I had a dyno tune done will I need another after?
Will, We offer several premium options for the Mustang, it would be best to call our sales line at 1-800-230-3030 so we can determine the best option. A new shorter X-pipe will be required, along with a new tune to see the most benefit from the headers. In general, long tube gains run in the 10-25 hp range depending on vehicle and modifications.
*PTSD FLASHBACK* after seeing the Driver's side shorty header on the right and remembering my SBC S10 square body days with the steering shaft that had to go in between the header tubes and learning the hard way that I should have also installed solid motor mounts rather than old rubber x-member side mounts (huge pee shiver...rr...rrr...)
Ive got a 350 chevy in my 54 f100 with stock steering box . what brand of long tube headers can i use with my stock box. just had steering box rebuilt dont want to buy another.
We do not offer any direct fit headers for this application. You may need to work with a shop to custom build a set, or try a set of manifolds to see if they do not contact the steering.
There are situations where shorty headers are a benefit because of fitment, clearance, emission laws, etc. And still offer a considerable benefit over stock manifolds.
Unfortunately, none of the manufacturers that we carry offer them for that vehicle. I am not sure where you will be able to find them at. You might try doing a Google search for them.
Long tubes would provide more sound, although replacing the factory exhaust/mufflers would be a better option if you are simply looking for more sound.
Can y'all turn the music off. No need to be headbanging while learning this stuff
What I can't hear you, I'm headbanging
Ask and destroy lol
Would you like it to be the same rap bullshit on every fucking car vid?
@@user-nb5pl1kj8t Wow you got butthurt over a funny comment lmao
@@Brandon-mf5uh nobody gives a shit about your challenger, another typical " hey check out the cold start on my 392, dont it sound bitchen?" Just fuckin with all these boards playing shit music and cold starts. Reminds me when we were kids saying " check out those tits"
Wish it would go back to that. What do you think about that butthurt Brandon 392??
I like how at 3:15 he says "if you have questions, ask them in the comment section below" but then not a single reply to any of the questions.
If it's about the #exhaustpipe, I might be able to help you
Even if they did answer your question it would be wrong.I have emails of them arguing with me, trying to tell me my 92 f150 has rear disk breaks. They are drums, I even sent a picture of the drums to the idiot and he said that's not a 92 f150. They are about as useful as a bag of dicks
Chris Lesemann cause they have a bunch of 20 year old guys with no common sense working with them
@@Akhazmat907 as useless as your spelling teacher. Hahaha
@@demogorilla ha ha. I remember that night. I was drunk and still pissed off from the night before, when that happened. Actually I'm pretty sure my English teacher would smack me in the back of the head.
Cmon y’all this is the first RUclips video I’ve seen in a long time that got straight to the point without an entire life story and history of the channel. Good job dude!
Shorties do have easier bends than cast manifolds and they alsonhave larger primaries typically than LT. for drivability shorties typically offer more benefit than LT especially in a truck where low end is more desired than top end. You will see an improvement below peak torque with shorties verses simply a higher number at peak torque with LT. it really comes down to how high your engine revs past peak torque and how often you drive past peak torque.
Completely false that shorties are better down low vs long tubes. Quality long tube headers that are appropriately sized for the engine, will outperform shorties at ALL rpm ranges.
wlabishler 1 yea but shortys will still help in the low end
@@nickwebb9937 to some extent. But it REALLY varies based on the engine we are talking about. Pretty much any late model v-8, comes stock with cast manifolds that are damn near shorties anyway. The GM LS based truck engines are a great example of this. Shorties will gain almost nothing, if they do actually gain anything. Longtubes can be a pretty obvious change, assuming they are appropriately sized. I personally would not go through the effort of swapping out the manifolds, unless you have one that is cracked for instance. In that case, you have to pull stuff apart anyway, no harm in replacing the cast parts with some short tubes. I have done this very thing for that reason. More recently, I put some longtubes on a Vortec Max 6.0, the difference was pretty big. The most noticeable part was actually under the curve, not at peak.
wlabishler 1 yea I put shortys on my 91 c1500 it helped a bit but the manifolds on it were very restricted
wlabishler 1 it all comes down to application. On my 86 Bronco here in California shorty’s are my best bet. I can’t stroke my motor or do much to it at all aside from heads and a mild cam (my efi is antique and I have smog to deal with). Sure they more closely resemble manifolds, especially in newer cars, but 80’s motors were literally strangled to death. Shorties will be a huge upgrade over my stock manifolds and it lets me still run my cats and everything from a stock location, and I get better torque over stock.
I’ll go for shortys. My long tubes keep heating my starter. And cooking my wires
sal alvarez I just got shortys
What kind of car u got? Will it do that to my 97 camaro?
@erik torres Don't drive in the rain or in water. Problem solved.
@@kenshinhimura9387 If it's even sitting out overnight moisture will build up.
@@booniekc heres the deal if your headers run close to the starter they make self stick heat rejection mat. While your starters out install it around the starter motor. You can also get fiberglass like material made into a tube you can slip over wires that run near the headers. You can make a heat sheild out of some old coffee cans or soup cans. The thing is to look at how close stuffs going to be and fix it before you melt stuff or heat soak your starter.
This video is riddled with garbage information. 0:43 show me a dyno of where a shorty outperforms a long tube (or even oem manifold) at low end.
Also long tube fitment is a non-issue on a quality header. But summit sells junk like pacesetters, so it may be true from their perspective.
Long tube makes more power! Shorty's are good for fitment problems.
Brian Samuels long tube give low end power cause they flow better. That already gives more power and I never had to remove my starter to put headers on my 83 k5 blazer
thomas hayes did you notice more low end power with long tubes? They said that short tubes are for low end power but I want long tubes because I want more power at high rpms and I don’t want to loose low end power. :-)
So what's good for torque then in a 85 C30 with a big block? Needs to be set up for smog system btw.
@@SOU6900 just get 1-3/4" long tubes for the 454. You can get them with a 02 bung for the sensor. This is the header you want trust me.
@@jrod264winmag but she doesn't use an o2 sensor...
Looks like I wasted money on shorty headers. Oh well. The deeper tone to my exhaust and the better response in the low end is quite nice though
Tony 3.7 I've got a 3.7 as well. Don't worry. MPT says that shorties do add airflow.
u didnt waste your money. where do you spend most of your driving rpm at?? not at the top end so u are getting what u paid for. long tubes are good if u drive your car wide open a lot, other than that u dont get the benefit of the long tube headers. just my opinion for an everyday driver shorties of mid length is the way to go
Sean Hamre thanks! Yeah I mean I never even go to the track or anything I just daily drive and occasionally I’ll race someone but it’s literally nothing above 60 mph anyway. If I do it’s just red light races from a stop
Sorry noob question but what does low end mean here is that referring to low rpm?
Santos Guerra yes low end rpm's
I put zoomies on my 2.3L ranger. They stick out of the fender on the passenger side and are about 20 inches long. Don't know if it did anything for power, but it sounds badass!!
You can help the shorty tubes scavenge better by putting a fueling pinch in the header tubes with in about 6 to 8 in of the cylinder head. I've seen it done with a lot of success especially on things like Harley engines.
What is a fueling pinch?
I put shorty headers on my 90 k1500 and did get a "seat of the pants" performance increase over the stock manifolds. It is a tow vehicle so I need the low end torque and bottom end. So for the cost of replacement I am very happy. Not to mention the installation was a breeze.
Stop stating that shorty headers provide more torque...that simply is NOT true. A shorty header will never out perform a long-tube header with the same sized primary tubes at low rpm. The exhaust scavenging mentioned is more important at low to mid range, and the extra velocity from the longer tubes creates better scavenging in the low to mid rpm range. The only advantage of the shorty is fitment and/or emissions compliance...not performance. Shorty headers can provide an improvement in flow over a stock manifolds higher in the rpm range, but they will never match a long-tube in the low to mid range.
Yep, you are correct.
On my Mustangs I noticed way more torque. More power at the top end from the long tube headers. I've had multiple cars with each and if I ever build another car it will definitely be long tube.
Even more power buy swapping in a bow tie ;)
You know your serious when you run long tube headers!!
My opinion shorties are good for trucks that 2500 rpm is where mine usually stays on highway unlock a car or stick shift can get higher rpm would go long tube just my take on it
I've got tuned shorties on my 2015 SS 1/LE, love the low end. I've often wondered if I should have done the long tubes - now I think I made the right move. GREAT explanation. It's still on the stock exhaust from the mid back, but I do like the sound, don't think I'll ever go full aftermarket. Chevy did start adding the X-pipe on the 2016s and newer, so I am getting ready to do that. Looking forward to the possible scavenge gains and the sound!
Thank you for watching, Nick!
I’m with you man. I have shorties on a Saleen S281 and the Low end torque will glue you to your seat. I did lose on highways gains but there’s something special about hitting 70 mph in second gear in 5 seconds!
Low end power, short for me it is.
Kyore watch this video in fact if you don't want to watch the whole thing go to around the 15 min mark. They tested a bunch of long tubes than the end they throw on a set of shorties for shits and giggles guess what? torque and HP down on the whole rpm band low end to top so wheres the gains in torque on low end with shorties? ruclips.net/video/O1bXPNy1Yn4/видео.html
Whats the point and benefits of shortys then if they are almost the same as stock... so only long tubes are making sense or what?
For my 4.6 2v ford which one to I wanna order from your website? I'm doing a light NA build and wanna do a full dual exhaust
If you are doing it for more power for towing/hauling, I would recommend the shorty.
If you are doing it for performance, I would recommend the full length.
That intro, I heard that v8 sound from rev heads phone app.
SilverHoof01
I agree
Summary. Long tubes arent always bolt on but make more mid range to high end power. Shorties are better for fitment and some low end torque
Do you have a video about high flow catalytic convertors?
Vacuum scavenging.. very interesting. Thanks for the info! Will probably be a long while before I look into getting any of these.
Velocity is key for performance in I6 engines. Which do you recommend for a Jeep 4.0 stroker for velocity?
I would go with shorty headers both for ground clearance especially with portal axles etc and because low end power will be better for rock crawling and towing which. If you are looking for road racing performance I stead of off-road though it might be worth getting the long tubes.
Shorties would do good for that. And less hassle with clearance issues
First and most important do research and pay attention to recommendations . Long tube header will not cause torque loss unless you do not pay attention to size recommendations . Lets say you have a choice of a 1 3/4 primary or a 1 7/8 primary and the 1 3/4 is recommended for stock engines. If you use the 1 7/8 you will have a torque loss and since your engine being stock will not take advantage of hi speed use from big headers. Next brand of header makes BIG difference . After damaging my hooker comp headers I replaced them with a lesser brand of the same size . Big mistake I lost 1000 rpm on top end and engine started missing which required retuning to stop the missing but I did not get the 1000 rpm back. I always make my own mufflers but the new stuff has gotten much better. If you run full exhaust to rear of car you will always lose hi rpm power. On race track you should have a tube added to back of header same size as collector but it should be tuned . To tune tube on collector start with a length of 20"" and take a tire crayon and draw a straight line down it's full length . Make a couple of passes then cut tube wear burn mark stops. Then rejet carb if injected it should retune itself . Always follow manufacturers recommendations most of the time they know there stuff better than you . Ok guy's now go smokem .
Given that the shorty headers provide less pulse vacuum internally, would it be a good idea to increase the diameter of the exhaust system from 2.5 to 3.0 inches to provide better top end?
I'm about to ask for shorty headers the high flow cats go with my dual set no 🐈 X pipe 2 super 10s I'm slowly working on my truck
Geeez people you need to get your information from knowledgeable people shorties will not give you more torque over long tube low end or top end. There just a replacement for manifolds that may be slightly better. There are videos with dyno results that prove this I suppose next you'll tell me I need back pressure in my exhaust system too.
The way it was explained to me not too long ago is that before computer modeling and flow profiling this was a general rule and if one stuck to it would generally do well. But it seems that with the advancement of technology the ability to design and build better flowing headers have made short style headers less of a handicap these days so much so that unless you are running an all out dragster a short style header should be all most people can truly benefit from. Am I misinformed?
D N , shortys provide lower rpm power, long tube work better mid to high rpm.
Check out Billy Nees. He runs NHRA n/sa with a grand prix with a 301 and has a few good articles on header and collector lengths.
Yea, for racing high rpm applications, I understand that, but a lot of guys put them on their street and on/off road vehicles. I am just saying for people who have vehicles that are dual purpose these days a good set of shorties should be fine right? Unless you are doing 7,000+ rpm regularly?
D N long tubes are great for MID to high rpm. Mid rpm is roughly 3000 rpm give or take high rpm is about 6-6500 rpm. Shortys are good for off idle to low rpm 1500-2000rpm. Do you spend a lot of time at at lower rpms in over drive? Or do you have a 4 speed with 4.10s and cruise at around 3000 rip'ems? Either choice is an improvemet, it all depends on your application and what you want.
LS1 swap 5.3l L59, PCM flashed for LS swap into 69 camaro: problem- backfiring in exhaust tube. Yes I have longtube headers. Passenger side running 50 - 100 hotter then driverside. Any ideas?
What size diameter of headers will be best for my application? 85 Square Body w/355 & 400TH. The motor will make approximately 385 HP. I have Vortec Heads and would like to be able to have access to change my plugs easily. Will long tubes be difficult to change the plugs?
So what’s louder😂😂😂
Lane Chaffin long tube lol
Thanks for explaining it in simple english
wow i was really the 420,000th view....
Why would Ford not just out long tubes on the GT500 or any mustang from factory ? They put shorties LOL - there is a reason ?? My GT 2017 with muffler delete X pipe is fast as hell and solid and fast with shorties
Having trouble finding a good fit for headers for a 351 fe in a 1963 galaxie. Thoughts?
He should have mentioned, the more an engine is built the more important it becomes to use high quality long tube headers, I've been building 600 horse 2nd gen LT1road racing engines, the build is not complete until a good set of long tube headers go on.
So if I'm looking for more torque for a truck application (no Baja or racing, mainly for getting over stuff (overlanding)) would shorty headers meet the mark? Eventually considering force induction, but haven't crossed that road yet
Shorty header would meet your goals just fine if you're looking for improved low-end power. Adding a supercharger will dramatically increase power across the entire rpm range. It will also require improved exhaust flow, and you may want to consider using a header with larger primaries.
Hey! Great video’ i have a Gm crate engine 350. 1year old. Driven 2000 km since first startup. It has a 262 comp cam. Edelbrock eps intake #2701 and The edelbrock 500carb #1403. I am thinking about goin for The headers from Summit G9006? How much horsepower will it Get close to? You have any other suggestions AS far as increasing The overall performance?
Most headers regardless of what you have done only give you around 25 hp at the most
@@Mysterious_History1 awesome! thats plenty if you ask me!
@@GCANDY100 yea, headers are probably the best bang for bucks your going to get...I know you already know cams, heads and superchargers are a great way to increase horsepower but they can get expensive.
Long tube headers it is ...I'm just gunnna sennndit
I've had a set of long tubes on my '68 C10 327 since 2006 when I had rebuilt my motor.
Fortunately I had plenty of room to install them. Never had an issue overheating the starter. At the 2:20 mark I've scraped my header flanges at times, and my truck is at stock height. I'll have to replace my headers with the short tubes or a set of ram horns when I perform the 4/6 drop.
Thank you for watching, Robert!
So as a stand alone upgrade, the shorty header won't do much over the factory exaust manifold?
I have a 2014 Camaro SS
On modern cars not so much. Only because modern Manifolds are pretty good. On Old muscle cars it's a huge difference like 20+hp/ torque.
They will look good on your car. and they do tend to increase low end torque on most cars.
I think the Summit guy just wants you to spend more money. Long tubes suck for speed bumps and driveways.
I have a 2015 Dodge Charger RT with Flowmaster Outlaw Catback which would be the best headers?
What other upgrades have you done
For 1/4 mille race which header is better??
Ever find out?
All this is great news for older less complicated engines and car systems, but for those new cars which have fuel injection systems and have a lot of electrical systems under the hood, you need to consider what benefits you will get and what the cost of those benefits will be after changing the factory headers to 4 into 1's or Try y headers, in fact the best ones to use is based on how you drive the new car, so basically if you want more HP down low range ie: 1,500 to around the 4 K mark then use try y headers or shortys, but if your going to track days a lot or street drags, then 4 into 14 would be best, but dont forget, then most tunner places will say you need 4 into 1 headers, but what they dont tell you is they will tune your engine to the headers and thus you engine will make approx 50 HP at the rear wheels for a new Chevy SS for example, but also they dont tell you you need the rest of the system as well, meaning the CATS and CAT back system installed as well, but in reality you will get just as much HP just by a tune of the same engine, they will not tell you this because the business is about selling the headers and also they do not tell you that the headers need ceramic coating due to the extreme heat under the hood and how close your electrical system,s are to the headers especially the chevy Ss which has electrical steering system. So please make sure if your going to get Headers for your car to kook if the model comes out with factory performance headers for the same make and model of your car, like for example the holden SS o chevy SS has HSB or holden special Veichacl which then you can by the HSV headers which come out with TRY Y headers on some models and will give your just as much performance but cost you only 1/4 of the price and specially if get the same try y headers from HSV and have them ceramic coated :)
Im Planning to buy/ im wanting to install long tube catted headers from Stainless works for my 1998 Mercury Grand Marquis (they are prefitted to my vehicle as it stats) but im being estimate between 900$-1,500$ in labor from several shops to install them... which i think that ridiculous. im Getting them a buddy of mine Name marty Ochs from Mosspeedshop in Georgia...(His price is 300$-400$ to install then) but i live in Tucson,Az but ive been told you can't
1991 k2500 5.7L automatic 4/4
Long tube
What’s the best?
Has new 2.5 true dual
Flowmater 50 delta mufflers
Is there sa stainless option?
Have a 67 base model Cougar with single exhaust. Don't know much about it. I dont race the the car but looking for little more power and better sound. It's a 289 4 b. What would you suggest?
The A body mopars imported to my country are all RHD so to try avoiding the steering box I have long headers on the passenger side and short headers on the drivers side, will this damage my motor ? It's a stock 318La small block . ?
I have a 2005 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 crew cab LS v8 5.3 LM7 325 cubic inch engine and I want to get headers for it, but I don't know if I want long or shortly tube headers as well as my biggest problem is that I don't know exactly what size headers I need so I don't order the wrong size headers for them to not fit my truck.
Shorties are a joke! they make a tiny bit more power than a stock manifold in the low rpm... they are a cheap alternative to expensive manifolds. long tube will make more power than a shorty at ALL RPMs low to high, although the biggest gains are in the mid to high, they still make far more power in the low end than any shorty. That's a fact you can take to the bank!
I have a Silverado w a 3” drop in the front and 6” in the back would this be a problem since I’m lower
Haha for sure. My 90 cought the collector on a speed bump.
I am sorry but every other source explains long tube headers are better low to mid RPM and short headers are better at high RPM. Its all about getting the exhaust out quickly at higher RPM so the shorter the distance the better. I believe the long tube makes power low. Motor Trend agrees with me but Holley agrees with Summit. I guess it really comes down to the diameter of the pipe and if its forced induction. Anyone else got any input on the science behind this?
1st Gen Tundra, no lift, mostly used for truck bed camping, and to replace factory broken manifold or short factory header? Should I go long or short? 4.7 2000 model
Every race car driver knows longy is for low end torque & shorty is for high end torque.....but fuck it I'll drop a big sticker on my vehicle & get 30xs the horsepower
How come you guys have no split headers for Chevy 250 straight six? I’ve searched all over the Internet and there’s only two companies and they make the shorties and they are super expensive. 250 Chevy engines are very very popular. And I’m talking about cars not tracks
2012 RAM 1500 express 5.7 HEMI, so which is better for low end grunt if you pulling trailers?
I have a 1987 Chevy caprice ls with a 400 sbc would the long tube headers fit my car
Hello, I have a Chevy truck with a 350 engine and I want to put some headers on it, which one do you recommend and which brand? I have it for daily use
I have a 93 fleetwood all stock . I want to change or oem every thing under the hood and under the car , any suggestions?
I am only considering shorty headers because dorman cast iron manifolds are onlyblasting about 2 yrs and cracking. I dont want a louder exhaust. Will my exhsust be louder if I bolt these to my stock exhaust?
Long tubes are a waste of money for stock motors. Shorty's are what you need for stock and just driving around and pulling. Add heads cam intake then long tubes are perfect
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I have longtube hookers headers on my 1977 torch red vette.On older cars headers are sick.I would not put them on a modern car,My car is 44 years old,I also put on a high performance exhaust manifold,and flowmaster 40 mufflers.It sound awesome.added about 22 more horsepower,but i did it for the sound,the sound rocks the house for sure.thanks russ.
Thank you for your feedback, Russell! I bet that does sound nice.
Most women prefer long tubes!!
So the Shorty headers and the Stock Ones Would perform the same basically Or ? Can You tell me your Opinion O ther is not need to Do the Improvement
Do they make short tube headers for a 1967 Pontiac Firebird D port
This comments section is absolutely hilarious...
How are some of these people alive, let alone operating a vehicle?
Which is better for a 2015 Chevrolet Camaro zl1 long tube headers or shorty headers
Got any smog headers for a 454 powered 85 C30?
Do you have a set of long headers for a 2000 chevy express 1500 4.3 V6?
Will long tube headers void a crate motor warranty?
I'm looking for a set of long tube headers I can force be with the z bar can you give me the part number or do you even make them appreciate it thank you
What is the difference between running long tube headers and running short tube headers with test pipes it's pretty much the same thing as long tube headers right
long tube headers cook your legs. and modern engines usually need a custom tune after install usually preempted by a che k engine light
Mid length?
Why didn't they talk about mid lengths?
I have 57 Ranchero w/390FE. The stock header just barely clear the steering gear box. I want long tube do I have to go custom or is there a long tube that will clear my steering box
Hi Glenn, we do not see anything for that application.
At wart rpm do long tube headers urrpass shores on sat a 20/1 charger 5.7?
Bruh just say full length headers long tube don't sound right
What about tri Y headers
Can long tube headers fit a 98 tahoe with a vortec 350 ?
Part number for shortys on a 2006 hemi 1500 ram please.
Whats better for a v6 charger gt
I have a 1995 chevy1500 5.7 v8 pickup . I’m not looking for anything fancy but something that just gives it a lil more power to my truck. What would you recommend? Thanks
Shorty headers are a good upgrade and most of the time require minimal fabrication if any to hook up to the exhaust.
www.summitracing.com/search/part-type/headers/year/1995/make/chevrolet/model/k1500/header-style/shorty?sortby=default&sortorder=ascending&keyword=headers&kr=headers&N=header-style%3ashorty
Would it make sense to get a cam optimized for high RPM if I get a shorty header and if i got a long tube headers i would want a cam optimized for low rpm power?
Long tubes = More expensive but better Performance
Shorties = Lower cost but only good for appearance & stock replacement
Stock replacements ? So people buy shortys thinking their getting performance
Parts when their just replacing the OEM style headers?
There has to be some benefit for shorties other then placement issues.
are for just looks.
Derpy Derp maybe 3-5 hp but I've been researching aftermarket parts for about 4-5 years..especially since I've had a couple of mustangs (2 currently). I've talked with professionals as well as other car enthusiast. If one really wants aftermarket headers for performance, long tubes is the way to go. Depending for what vehicle, it could range from $200-1,000) and get gains (again depending what vehicle) from 15-30 HP. Shorties would open up your exhaust system...but nothing like long tubes. And if you happen to go for some...go ceramic headers because they will last you longer then ordinary chrome finish.
CRUZ_GT chrome don’t get you home.
Wow that’s awesome information. I bought headmen headers for my 289 and they are awesome I can feel the difference when I hit the gas from when I had the OEM factory headers on. Huge difference. I can imagine the open ports the long tube give. I will defiantly get some
CRUZ_GT I just got my grandpa's truck running it's a GMC 1998 Sierra 2500 350 motor what kind of headers should I get to fit the Flowmaster super 44
Leon Garza long tubes , you'd need to weld the Flowmaster to your midpipe (basically switch your stock muffler to that Flowmaster one) but your midpipe might be smaller due to the long tubes
so what you basically say is Shorty Headers dont do jack shit?
I have a 1999 Chevy Tahoe 2 door 5.7l vortec was wondering if you know a good set of long tubes for my vehicle I can’t find any or am unsure if they will fit I would appreciate a response thanks
Here is a link to the full length header options that we offer for the 1999 Tahoe www.summitracing.com/search/year/1999/make/chevrolet/model/tahoe/department/exhaust/section/headers/part-type/headers/engine-size/5-7l-350/engine-family/chevy-small-block-gen-i/header-style/full-length?N=header-style%3Afull-length&SortBy=Default&SortOrder=Ascending
I have a 2014 mustang gt with off road X pipe and GT500 exhaust. I want to put on long tube headers just don't know which would be best. Do I need to find one that actually fits my exhaust? how much power do you yield? I had a dyno tune done will I need another after?
Will, We offer several premium options for the Mustang, it would be best to call our sales line at 1-800-230-3030 so we can determine the best option. A new shorter X-pipe will be required, along with a new tune to see the most benefit from the headers. In general, long tube gains run in the 10-25 hp range depending on vehicle and modifications.
If I have a carburator would I need to tune it to run long tube headers
*PTSD FLASHBACK* after seeing the Driver's side shorty header on the right and remembering my SBC S10 square body days with the steering shaft that had to go in between the header tubes and learning the hard way that I should have also installed solid motor mounts rather than old rubber x-member side mounts (huge pee shiver...rr...rrr...)
I have a 2015 V6 Mustang with afe power 3" catback exhaust next are long tube headers and gears but can't decide on 3.73 or 4.10??
Hi Cody, we would need some additional information. Please give us a call at 1-800-230-3030. We would be happy to help. Thanks!
Ive got a 350 chevy in my 54 f100 with stock steering box . what brand of long tube headers can i use with my stock box. just had steering box rebuilt dont want to buy another.
We do not offer any direct fit headers for this application. You may need to work with a shop to custom build a set, or try a set of manifolds to see if they do not contact the steering.
So....... why would anyone spend the time or money on a shorty header then?
There are situations where shorty headers are a benefit because of fitment, clearance, emission laws, etc. And still offer a considerable benefit over stock manifolds.
In the event my front driveshaft is a clearance issue how can I resolve that
I'm glad I bought long tube headers
Yeah, I would not even waste my $$ on shorty headers the long tubes still work down at low rpm better than stock manifolds or shortys.
I have a 2013 genesis coupe 3.8 with aftermarket exhaust which one do y’all recommend?
Unfortunately, none of the manufacturers that we carry offer them for that vehicle. I am not sure where you will be able to find them at. You might try doing a Google search for them.
tornado style headers long tube or High rise headers for short
Are there any brands u recommend , or recommend to stay away from ?
2016 Camaro LT2 v6. Looking for more sound at idle and low RPM. Should I get the long head or shorty?
Long tubes would provide more sound, although replacing the factory exhaust/mufflers would be a better option if you are simply looking for more sound.
Why the hell are auto related vids always backed by shredding guitars? Hmmmm? Tasteless.
ClayZ well what’s better then?
Cian Jones obviously dubstep? Smh my head
Scott McNally Shredding. I LIKE SHREDDING.