Great video!! I have had my Mayflower pair for a couple of years now. Even bought the motorcycle wheel adater for balancer. Love both of them. I've noticed some low profiles have been a booger to install since bead doesnt flex. I will look at the different duck bill. Thanks! Recently, I had an issue trying to balance a wheel. Kept saying add weights, added and re-spun, it would say add weights in a different spot. Term is called "chasing weights". Did the factory re- calibration, (as you showed). Book says 4-6 in wide wheel 14" or 15" for calibration. I used a space saver wheel tire combo. It is light weight and meets specs, 4in wide 15" wheel. All is good again.
I share the previous posters puzzlement about why you're forced into using a 15-in wheel. Since centrifugal force is linearly proportional to diameter there's absolutely no reason why you couldn't use a 20 inch wheel and just alter the amount of weight by the 15 to 20 ratio. Also it makes no sense that you have to have a tire mounted to the wheel. I've seen the calibration done with just bare wheels and there's no reason why that wouldn't be just as effective if anything more accurate. Add that to the puzzlement about the documentation and the fact that the existing printout has all the icons pretty much blacked out at least the one that I got. It's a lot of work to figure out basic information because somebody at Mayflower was not sweating the details. But thanks for the video that was most helpful!
I totally agree with you. Now that I've had it for a while I've only ever calibrated it the one day I got it and that calibration wheel and tire have been collecting dust. If I were to do it over again I would have just used the wheel off my car and the 100g wheel weight that came with it.
Love my Mayflower tire machine However the balancer wont read the same twice and Justin at Mayflower refuses to offer any service and says it is working as intended.
@@MakeItMike Balance your tire take it off the machine, put it back on and spin it again or even loosen the nut and change the clock position of the wheel on the spindle and check it for balance again and I bet it varies. Please let me know.. Yes I have calibrated mine several times and Justin at Mayflower tells me that there is nothing wrong .
@@popatop6657First off, the spindle itself isn't perfectly balanced so clocking the wheel will net you a very slight but different result. The second much more prominent issue is when using a cone to center a wheel, it will not center perfectly and results will vary every time. The smaller cones have steeper angles and will force center more effectively. Larger wheels with larger bores I find are nearly impossible to center with the large cone. You can balance a wheel with a 2oz weight, remove and reinstall the wheel and it may be many oz off.
Quick question i have the same balancer the 680 mayflower . Did the spring u have hanging on the wall come with the machine ? Im having an issue to wear the rim rides like its egg shaped .. it Oscillates like it's an egg on there And doesn't want to seem to spin perfectly level or even so to speak .. It's almost as if it's a came lobe That's how the tire would rotate up-and-down. I feel like im missing something
That spring I bought separately. I actually rarely use it. I had a similar situation to what your are describing and found out that some rims are not manufactured well. I messed around with some new Walmart trailer rims for hours trying to get them to spin centered and all along I thought it was the balancer. It wasn't. The rims were actually made out of round by poor manufacturers. I have found that is rare to find a nice smooth rim. The center bore of the rim sometimes isn't welded in place perfectly centered and it causes that radial oblong wobble as it spins. At high speeds it can make the tire hop.
@@MakeItMike hey bud i think i figured it out. I don't have a manual with this machine but it appears to work a 110% put the rim on the machine 1st and then put the cone into the rim hole and then put the Locking nut on and tighten it down. I noticed the steel that's on the machine the center part of it collapses it pushes inward Letting the cone push into the machine And the rim is perfectly centered every time I do it. Does your manual tell you Differently
@@jaboneyoyo5843 that's what mine does too. It's supposed to. Usually the cone will always go on the outside of the rim. I have found that sometimes it helps to spin the tire by hand as I'm holding the large nut and that pulls the nut in and let's gravity keep the wheel centered as it rotates and tightens up.
What I don't get, why they tell you to use a completely unbalanced brand new 15 in Wheel and Tire to calibrate the machine. I would think it would need a fully balanced wheel to calibrate it. That way when it spins the tires fully balanced wheel, then ask you to put on the calibration weight, it'll have a reference to calibrate off of. Does anyone have any input on why it needs an unbalanced 15-in wheel to be calibrated?
Your correct that you end up using a random wheel to balance. But the machines comes with a 100 gram calibration weight you put on the wheel so it's extremely unbalanced and the machine can easily tell right where that weight is. So how it works is you put the weight on and it has you spin the tire then it logs where that huge weight is. Then you move the weight to the next 90° spot and spin again then it logs it. Then the 180° mark, spin again then it logs it then it's complete. So as long as the wheel is not out of balance over 100g in one spot it will be able to calibrate ok using the calibration weight. As long as the unbalanced wheel itself isn't worse than needing a 100g weight on one spot it will still work.
@@MakeItMike I get it thanks mike. Yeah I also sent an email to mayflower . So then having to use a brand new tire and Rim is not actually necessary. It just has to be steel rim for the weight to clip onto, and it has to be size 15. That makes more sense I guess when it spins the wheel it doesn't matter whether it's balanced or not it just gets a reference of where that 100 G weight is. The factory told me it's calibrated from Factory though. They recommend you calibrated after arrival, I guess just in case it falls out of calibration while in storage or shipment I don't know. And they recommend you recalibrate it once in a while for future accuracy.
@@MakeItMike I see what you're saying. So basically it's referencing the weight you add, not the balancing of the wheel. I believe in that case why shouldn't you be able to just use the rim without a tire? Has anyone tried to calibrate without a tire? I'd rather have a rim sitting in my garage for calibration then an an entire wheel.
While I was watching this, I originally thought, "Mike seems to be still figuring this out...didn't he read the manual?" After you attempted to read that hot mess of a manual, I said, "Nevermind - whoever wrote this manual should never write anything ever again!"
Yeah you can tell that manual was google translated from Chinese to English lol. Very tough to read! Btw if your having a tough time fitting your wide tire in the bead breaker, back the nut off that attaches the arm to the machine. It's a thread locker nut and does not need to be all the way in
Yes I noticed the same thing when I was reading it. I think the manuals written by the Chinese manufacturer of the machines. Even though it may be assembled in the United states, the designer and manufacturer of the machinery do not speak fluent english, and I believe the manuals appear to be translated, possibly by computer. Translations often don't make sense if directly translated word for word, because it's a big difficulty to translate words, and still sustain the message or actual meaning. I'm bilingual, and have noticed that wen translating, you often have to change the words to deliver an understandable message. If you translate from one language to another word for word, it very often makes no sense at all.
Great video!!
I have had my Mayflower pair for a couple of years now. Even bought the motorcycle wheel adater for balancer. Love both of them.
I've noticed some low profiles have been a booger to install since bead doesnt flex. I will look at the different duck bill. Thanks!
Recently, I had an issue trying to balance a wheel. Kept saying add weights, added and re-spun, it would say add weights in a different spot.
Term is called "chasing weights". Did the factory re- calibration, (as you showed). Book says 4-6 in wide wheel 14" or 15" for calibration. I used a space saver wheel tire combo. It is light weight and meets specs, 4in wide 15" wheel. All is good again.
Just received my tire / balancer combo from Mayflower awesome machines for the price. Thanks for the calibration info.
I share the previous posters puzzlement about why you're forced into using a 15-in wheel. Since centrifugal force is linearly proportional to diameter there's absolutely no reason why you couldn't use a 20 inch wheel and just alter the amount of weight by the 15 to 20 ratio. Also it makes no sense that you have to have a tire mounted to the wheel. I've seen the calibration done with just bare wheels and there's no reason why that wouldn't be just as effective if anything more accurate. Add that to the puzzlement about the documentation and the fact that the existing printout has all the icons pretty much blacked out at least the one that I got. It's a lot of work to figure out basic information because somebody at Mayflower was not sweating the details. But thanks for the video that was most helpful!
I totally agree with you. Now that I've had it for a while I've only ever calibrated it the one day I got it and that calibration wheel and tire have been collecting dust. If I were to do it over again I would have just used the wheel off my car and the 100g wheel weight that came with it.
I've done 37s with mine
Dude how? That would be a good video. I think I need to make an arm spacer for mine to get it higher in the air
Love my Mayflower tire machine However the balancer wont read the same twice and Justin at Mayflower refuses to offer any service and says it is working as intended.
Mine doesn't do that. Did you already do the calibration with the huge weight that comes with it?
@@MakeItMike Balance your tire take it off the machine, put it back on
and spin it again or even loosen the nut and change the clock position of the wheel on the spindle and check it for balance again and I bet it varies. Please let me know.. Yes I have calibrated mine several times and Justin at Mayflower tells me that there is nothing wrong .
@@popatop6657First off, the spindle itself isn't perfectly balanced so clocking the wheel will net you a very slight but different result. The second much more prominent issue is when using a cone to center a wheel, it will not center perfectly and results will vary every time. The smaller cones have steeper angles and will force center more effectively. Larger wheels with larger bores I find are nearly impossible to center with the large cone. You can balance a wheel with a 2oz weight, remove and reinstall the wheel and it may be many oz off.
Quick question i have the same balancer the 680 mayflower . Did the spring u have hanging on the wall come with the machine ? Im having an issue to wear the rim rides like its egg shaped .. it Oscillates like it's an egg on there And doesn't want to seem to spin perfectly level or even so to speak .. It's almost as if it's a came lobe That's how the tire would rotate up-and-down. I feel like im missing something
That spring I bought separately. I actually rarely use it. I had a similar situation to what your are describing and found out that some rims are not manufactured well. I messed around with some new Walmart trailer rims for hours trying to get them to spin centered and all along I thought it was the balancer. It wasn't. The rims were actually made out of round by poor manufacturers. I have found that is rare to find a nice smooth rim. The center bore of the rim sometimes isn't welded in place perfectly centered and it causes that radial oblong wobble as it spins. At high speeds it can make the tire hop.
@@MakeItMike thanks brother i Appreciate you getting back to me and I appreciate your video
@@MakeItMike hey bud i think i figured it out. I don't have a manual with this machine but it appears to work a 110% put the rim on the machine 1st and then put the cone into the rim hole and then put the Locking nut on and tighten it down. I noticed the steel that's on the machine the center part of it collapses it pushes inward Letting the cone push into the machine And the rim is perfectly centered every time I do it. Does your manual tell you Differently
@@MakeItMike If you can give me your email I can send you a video or send you pictures to show you what I'm talking about
@@jaboneyoyo5843 that's what mine does too. It's supposed to. Usually the cone will always go on the outside of the rim. I have found that sometimes it helps to spin the tire by hand as I'm holding the large nut and that pulls the nut in and let's gravity keep the wheel centered as it rotates and tightens up.
What I don't get, why they tell you to use a completely unbalanced brand new 15 in Wheel and Tire to calibrate the machine. I would think it would need a fully balanced wheel to calibrate it. That way when it spins the tires fully balanced wheel, then ask you to put on the calibration weight, it'll have a reference to calibrate off of. Does anyone have any input on why it needs an unbalanced 15-in wheel to be calibrated?
Your correct that you end up using a random wheel to balance. But the machines comes with a 100 gram calibration weight you put on the wheel so it's extremely unbalanced and the machine can easily tell right where that weight is. So how it works is you put the weight on and it has you spin the tire then it logs where that huge weight is. Then you move the weight to the next 90° spot and spin again then it logs it. Then the 180° mark, spin again then it logs it then it's complete. So as long as the wheel is not out of balance over 100g in one spot it will be able to calibrate ok using the calibration weight. As long as the unbalanced wheel itself isn't worse than needing a 100g weight on one spot it will still work.
@@MakeItMike I get it thanks mike. Yeah I also sent an email to mayflower . So then having to use a brand new tire and Rim is not actually necessary. It just has to be steel rim for the weight to clip onto, and it has to be size 15. That makes more sense I guess when it spins the wheel it doesn't matter whether it's balanced or not it just gets a reference of where that 100 G weight is. The factory told me it's calibrated from Factory though. They recommend you calibrated after arrival, I guess just in case it falls out of calibration while in storage or shipment I don't know. And they recommend you recalibrate it once in a while for future accuracy.
@@MakeItMike I see what you're saying. So basically it's referencing the weight you add, not the balancing of the wheel. I believe in that case why shouldn't you be able to just use the rim without a tire? Has anyone tried to calibrate without a tire? I'd rather have a rim sitting in my garage for calibration then an an entire wheel.
@@judeghazaleh6134 Very good point.
are we still living in 1980, we still need to calibrate a wheel balancer? this remind me of my dad old shop with his old machines lol
does the "calibration wheel" need to be balanced?
No
While I was watching this, I originally thought, "Mike seems to be still figuring this out...didn't he read the manual?" After you attempted to read that hot mess of a manual, I said, "Nevermind - whoever wrote this manual should never write anything ever again!"
When it says, "Opening Ceremony" instead of "Instructions" it makes you scratch your head lol.
Hahaha!!!
Yeah you can tell that manual was google translated from Chinese to English lol. Very tough to read! Btw if your having a tough time fitting your wide tire in the bead breaker, back the nut off that attaches the arm to the machine. It's a thread locker nut and does not need to be all the way in
Yes I noticed the same thing when I was reading it. I think the manuals written by the Chinese manufacturer of the machines. Even though it may be assembled in the United states, the designer and manufacturer of the machinery do not speak fluent english, and I believe the manuals appear to be translated, possibly by computer. Translations often don't make sense if directly translated word for word, because it's a big difficulty to translate words, and still sustain the message or actual meaning. I'm bilingual, and have noticed that wen translating, you often have to change the words to deliver an understandable message. If you translate from one language to another word for word, it very often makes no sense at all.
where did you get the laser ?
Ebay
item number if you may@@MakeItMike
Don't unplug mashin, need to calibrate again.