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Jomboy is an absolute dynamo at breaking down the nuances of baseball. Even though most of his content leans into humorous situations, his knowledge and "feel" for baseball and its tactics are fairly high level.
Tipping pitches is something pitchers try not to do. In last year's world series, Bryce Harper figured out a quirk in the opposing pitcher's delivery that gave him an idea of what pitch was coming. Harper hit a home run and went back to the dugout to tell his teammates what he saw. The pitcher, who is a really good pitcher most of the time, got hammered that night.
This is a great example of how baseball is so much deeper than it seems. You can enjoy a game without knowing any of this but if you recognize it during the game it's like you've unlocked secret knowledge. I'd love to see you guys watch a game on livestream with some fans.
Thanks Nathan, we’ll definitely be doing a livestream at some point for Baseball content. If we can work out how to do it we’re hoping to Premiere the US vs Great Britain highlights today 🤞
Pitchers would normally look for the sign for what pitch to throw, from the catcher, when the catcher would put down a sign for a pitch that the pitcher wouldn't want to throw, they would "shake" them off and the catcher would suggest a different pitch, but now this is done electronically right into the pitcher ear from a device on the catchers wrist, this is all because of the Astros sign stealing scandal which you guys need to look into
Just to clarify for you - a pitcher typically uses a “windup” motion to generate more speed when there’s no one on base. When base runners are present this can be a liability because it increases the time the ball gets to the catcher which allows runners to steal bases more easily. Therefore pitchers go into the “stretch” when runners are present, which is a quicker motion to deliver the ball and gives the catcher time to potentially throw out runners attempting to steal bases.
@@DNReacts And to add some extra details. Jomboy mentions something called PitchCom. It used to be the catcher would signal to the pitcher what pitch he wants via the fingers on the catchers throwing hand. To simply it, index finger extended by itself would be fastball, two fingers extended is a changeup and so on. However that would be too simple to figure out so catchers would do long sequences of gestures for a pitch. But pitchcom now allows catchers to signal what pitch they want and where by pressing a series of buttons on their sleeve and the pitcher has a receiver in his cap telling him what the catcher wants.
This isn't entirely correct. A pitcher would be called for a balk if they pitched from the windup with a runner on base. There also isn't any evidence that pitching from the windup adds velocity to the pitch. In fact, some pitchers actually throw harder from the stretch. A study was done and Justin Verlander was one that threw harder from the stretch than from his windup.
In any sport, discovering another player's "tell" is always worth its weight in gold. Like football quarterbacks who often glance at their "hot" receiver pre-snap (Kerry Collins has left the chat 😂). There's a video here where Andre Agassi talks about how he could anticipate where Boris Becker was about to serve from how Boris stuck his tongue out of his mouth during his service motion
Enjoying your journey to learn about American sports. There's the humility and the admission of ignorance and then the, "Oh, I get it now" moments that are great. Keep it up.
Now a days you might not see as much of the pitcher shaking off the catcher because if the pitch com devices which allow for a catch to call for a certain pitch and sends that call to a receiver that the pitcher is wearing and hear what is being called. There maybe some shake offs even with that. It generally not as many as when the catchers would put down the signs. But the pitch com was created to crack down on cheating with in the game of stealing signs and gaining unfair advantages outside of the rules as to discerning something as game play goes on as. What was show in this video. Look into the 2017 Astros trash can scandal.
Couldn’t agree more! Most RUclipsrs, edit the silly stuff out but they don’t. It’s real, raw, and honest! It’s one of the best viewing experiences for a reaction page on RUclips.
This classic game inside the game… baseball can be boring at times but there’s endless amounts of strategies taken place that make it interesting to watch and play
@@DNReacts Since it has a ton of stops in it, baseball is considered the most cerebral game of all North American sports. Managers are constantly trying to adjust their gameplan based on just what happened in the at-bat b4.
Pitchers tend to have "tells" when throwing different pitches. It's not always just where he's looking. It could be a leg lift, an arm wiggle, etc. That's the chess game between the hitters and the batters. The more you see a pitcher and his pitches the bigger the chance of guessing the right pitch. Some pitches are better at others at hiding what they're doing
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Jomboy is amazing - one of a number of young youtube commentators really revitalizing baseball for a new generation. Absolutely LOVE to see him get more play; he's a wonderful ambassador for the game. Also, add one more vote here for more baseball content! Go Dodgers!
Hey guys, loving everything on the channel especially the baseball stuff. Wanted to step in and clarify a couple things going on in this video. The rookie pitcher for the Tigers is not intentionally staring too long straight ahead to third base to indicate the pitch type to his Catcher. This is something he does unconsciously when throwing a fastball with a runner on base. In baseball, a pitcher with these unconscious physical "tells" (like poker) is said to be "tipping" his pitches. It is not very common for the hitting team to pick up on a reliable tell, but when they do a lot of runs can be scored.
@@DNReacts Yeah baseball b/c it's a game of set motions and like repeating motions w/ lots of stoppages, means psychologically it can be like golf where sometimes you mess up your form without even thinking about it.
Oh btw, I agree with someone else said. This is a very detailed pitching breakdown. Regular people watching a game don’t know what all the pitches are and don’t figure out these kinds of details etc. They’re just watching the game. But understanding strategy and how difficult the game is, makes it more interesting and fun to watch.
So glad y’all enjoyed the Jomboy!! He has some great pitching breakdowns, one with Juan Soto against Julio Urias where he overlays the pitches on top really nicely is very helpful for seeing how similar they look out of the hand
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Just so you guys are aware, the pitcher is not purposely doing that to communicate with the catcher. It’s all psychological and the Yankees were able to find a correlation! Brilliant stuff!
Jomboy is great at breaking down the nuances of baseball in an entertaining and easy to understand way. I know a few people who don't care about baseball buy enjoy watching his breakdowns. Most of them tend to focus on humorous scenarios, but watching a few of his breakdowns could give you a really good feel for what the normal day-to-day is like in baseball
When it comes to pitch tipping, it can be something that a team picks up during an individual game, or it can be something that they're told by advance scouts who watched that team or that player in the week(s) leading up to a series. Remember that in baseball, you play the same team 2-4 games in a row at one park, then usually a week or two later, you play them 2-4 games at the other team's park, so it's really worth preparing for a team with live scouts. The practice of looking for pitch tipping is common not just for opposing pitchers but for your own. If you have a pitcher who is throwing well but he's getting hit hard, it's often assumed that he's tipping, so you'll try to figure out what the other team is seeing so you can coach him to correct his habit. In this case the catcher clearly realizes his guy is tipping, but no one has figured out what they're keying on.
90% of the battle between batter and pitcher is mental. If you can get in your opponent's head, you're in a good spot. Speaking of which, you need to check out Nolan Ryan, one of the greatest pitchers to ever play the game. The man lived rent free in the heads of so many players. He's been retired for 30 years and still holds the record for no-hitters (pitching a game without allowing even a single hit) in a career with 7. Love you guys' content, you're one of the channels that's reinvigorated my interest in sports, and I'm looking forward to seeing more from you guys.
Thanks for the comment and support, we really appreciate it and great to hear it’s reinvigorated your interest too. Thanks for the suggestion, we’ve got Nolan Ryan on our list to watch.
So glad you're doing JomBoy; he does a great job. By "normal shake", he means it's sincere; the pitcher is legitimately trying to tell the catcher to suggest another pitch. JomBoy felt that Rodriguez was being stiff and performative. Subjective, but I see his point. Usually when a pitcher is tipping his pitches, it's more to do with his glove position or a change to his motion. But the head angle was pretty obvious. And it wasn't that the runner can see the pitches from first base, it's that with a runner on first, the pitcher can't do a full windup (or the runner would have time to steal 2nd) and apparently Rodriguez had trouble getting into a rhythm with having to throw from the stretch position, and so he was locking in on the catcher if he had to throw a breaking ball, because he was worried about locating it properly. (Whereas you can basically just rear back and heave a fastball.)
you guys should definitely react to Shohei Ohtani!! He'll blow your mind! Best athlete in the world happens to play baseball right now for the LA Angels and Team Japan.
Love Jomboy. In baseball, just to know whether the pitch is going to be a fastball or not is a HUGE advantage. The ability to change speeds is just as/if not more important than being able to put a bunch of movement on the ball. So if you know you're getting a 93 mph pitch you can just tee off.
Makes a lot of sense, thanks Michael. Was an aspect of the game I hadn’t considered before watching this. Tactical situations like this are something I (Damo) really enjoy which is why I think I am enjoying Baseball more and more with each video we do
I dated a girl from Germany in college. I took her to a baseball game and spent the entire game trying like hell to get her to understand what was going on. As Americans we have no idea how hard the sport is to understand for someone who didn’t grow up around it. You guys actually did a really good job grasping the concepts in this video.
Big baseball fan, stumbled on your channel, you guys are great. Jomboy is an amazing youtuber, his breakdowns are the best, and his lip reading skills are incredible (so he has an uncanny ability to read situations no one else can, while having a great sense of humor). One of the best things to happen to baseball in recent times if you ask me. He actually helped uncover a huge sign stealing scandel a few years back on the Houston Astros cheating.
Guys, I’ve been extremely excited about this coming baseball season since the end of last season, but now that I’ve been following your baseball journey, I’m more excited than ever. These videos have been brilliant!
Keep the Jomboy reactions! definitely a good way to catch some of the inner tactics and ways baseball players deal within the game! great video by you guys!!
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A pitcher "tipping" his pitches like that is really rare. It's just some kind of bad habit the pitcher fell into without realizing it. You're right though, the pitcher's team probably should have figured it out and told him but I guess they were just stumped.
jomboy is the best. i've been playing and watching baseball for 30 years and i still hear insightful things from them that i can learn from. awesome channel, very entertaining.
I recommend Ken Burns’ Baseball series if you want to understand what this game means to a lot of Americans. It is a huge part and mirror of our history as a country.
As a pitcher you should always try and throw all your pitches with the exact same motion. Otherwise the other team will start to notice a pattern so when the pitcher does this he’s “tipping his pitches”. There are many different ways to tip pitches. I love the MLB these vids are great!
4:18 It really is as simple as finding a pattern. When you’ve been pitching long enough to make it to the majors, you’ll develop your own routine and that can be hard to break. Even if it is something as small as, stop looking at third base. There was one pitcher who tipped his pitches based on how high he brought his knee up. If it was about waist level, it was one type of pitch, but if he brought his knee up higher than his waist during his windup, it was a different type of pitch. It’s just picking up in subtleties to give your team an advantage
You guys should definitely react to the Astros sign-stealing scandal from 2017; Jomboy has a good video on this. Before then, the "dialogue" between the catcher and pitcher was done through the catcher giving hand signals and the pitcher shaking his head for yes/no. The catchers and pitchers would develop code systems: one finger for fastball, two for slider, etc. The catchers would also tap the side of their thigh to indicate whether the pitch would go on the inside or the outside. In that scandal the Astros had someone in the outfield bleachers reading the signs and hitting garbage cans loudly to tip their batters about what pitch the other team was about to throw. They won the world series that year through this cheating. That scandal is the reason the catchers now use an electronic device to signal pitches instead of the traditional hand signs.
so at this point they have added the pticom which is actual signal to the pitcher to say what to through. Players are looking for these types of tells every game from everyone. The shaking off the sign is something that used to be done when the pitches were told through literal hand signals. But tipped pitches are something that can be done, by from anyone at any point in a player carrier. Loving seeing yall grow in knowledge of American games. Keep up the great content.
Thanks for this. I think now we’ve got a bit of a basic understanding we’ll do Shohei Ohtani. We’ve heard crazy things but I think we’ll get a good enough understanding. We didn’t want to review him when clueless lol
Sometimes it's where your glove is when you start your motion to the plate: if you start with the glove at chest level, it's a fastball, if it's lower it's a breaking pitch. Other times it might be a hitch in your delivery, or habit like twitching your shoulder to loosen your uni. There's a million ways to give a pitch away, and if the batters figure it out before you do, you're in for a long night.
I'm a bit of a homer here, but the Giants 2012 video documenting their playoff run is amazing. They were so good in the regular season and came back from 2-0 in a best of 5 and 3-1 in a best of 7. They won 5 straight elimination games and it was not boring at all. Jomboy blowing the lid off the Astros cheating scandal is amazing also. Absolute legend.
Jomboy is the GOAT. Love all of his content. He does great analysis videos. I suggest to keep watching more of his stuff to understand the nuances of ball. Keep upthe good work boys, loving the channel
Did you guys pick up the difference in pitching motion? There's the "Windup" and the "Stretch." The windup is when the pitcher's knee comes up to his chest and his leg shoots out in front of him. This is how most pitchers work, most of the time. The stretch is used because it is harder for a base runner to steal a base with the shortened stretch motion. You'll notice his leg glide forward instead of raising and kicking. That's why he changed his delivery when a man got on base. This is important here because the pitcher has a poker like tell when he pitches from the stretch.
The pitcher/batter face off is what makes the game fun and chess like. The batter is trying to guess whats coming next and the pitcher/catcher is trying to throw sequences of pitches to throw off the batter. Something may look like a high fastball that was thrown before but dives away. The catcher also is orchestrating all sequences and tailers them to each batter. Every batter has strengths and weaknesses that the catcher needs to be aware of.
Taking approximately 6 minutes to understand the meaning of shaking off a catcher and a basic grasp tipping/hiding pitches, and the importance of pitcher/catcher "conversation" is a much higher aptitude for the sport than many high school players here in the states that have played it since age 5.
Much of the drama in baseball is found between the pitcher and the catcher. The catcher will flash a sign using his fingers; 1 finger is fastball, 2 fingers is curveball, 3 fingers is change-up...and if the pitcher wants to throw a different pitch than what the catcher is calling for, he will 'shake him off'..The hitters and baserunners are watching intently to see if the pitcher will tip off his pitches, as described here on this video. It's alot like a chess game once you figure out what the pitcher's tendencies are and how the opposing hitters are reacting to them..
Hey guys I very much appreciate your interest in baseball. You guys are doing GREAT. Too many find it slow but they fail to recognize the constant "dual" between the pitcher and hitter... the mental and physical components. Another thing that maybe you've noticed but there are SO MANY NUMBERS and STATS used in describing players. Baseball is all about numbers. There is movie called "Moneyball" (with Brad Pitt) a true story, that exposes the value of stats. PS: I grew up listening to baseball on radio...now there is a perfect match. All baseball fans can listen to a game and literally see with their mind's eye the action on the field. They know where everyone should be and who should be doing.
One quick explanation on "the stretch" - a pitcher typically has two ways to deliver the ball, "the windup," a full motion, and "the stretch." The stretch is an abbreviated motion used when there are runners on base, reducing the possibility of a stolen base by making the motion quicker (they are just "stretching" their foot towards the plate). There weren't any tells in this pitcher's standard motion, but his stretch delivery is where the other team (and Jomboy) figured out which pitch was coming next.
I'm glad you watched this video - it gives you some insight into the chess match between pitcher and hitter. Most of my friends get bored with the slow pace of baseball - but i came to appreciate the cerebral battle taking place on each pitch. In a previous post - i likened this dynamic to the one between kicker and goalie on penalty kicks & overtime shoot-outs in American soccer / European football. If you can guess correctly what you think your opponent is going to do - you have the advantage - so you are looking for clues that may reveal what your opponent intends to do. Remember - this video focused on this pitcher / hitter dynamic from the point of view of the hitters. But the pitcher is making similar calculations about the batter - what his strengths and vulnerabilities are. Anyways - i'm glad you're interested in doing more baseball - looking forward to your videos. Thanks for posting this one.
I love your reactions - I will say that you chose a rather complicated video to react to (from a baseball IQ standpoint) so congrats to you guys on staying with it and trying to understand the whole thing.
Thank you for the support Alex. Great you’re loving the content! Yeah we sometimes like to tackle something really complex, we can’t help but be intrigued 😅 Found this one really interesting
In the old days… the catcher would use his fingers to call the pitch. If the pitcher doesn’t like the call he will “shake him off”. Now they use electronic pitch call so the shakes are fake (at least the intense looks at the catcher is fake, because he’s getting the pitch through a headset). The other item he talked about was “tipping pitches”. Many younger pitchers tip their pitches. Perhaps by the way they hold their gloves or how they reach into the glove to grip the ball. It is very common for veteran players will watch their young ones to help them out. Much like a “tell” in poker. So the game within the game is “can the opposing team figure out the tell before one of your veterans on your own team figures it out”. One of the best in the game was the great defensive catcher, Yadier Molina. He and his teammate, pitcher Adam Wainwright, were famous for helping young pitchers figure out their tips or tells. There have been others as well, of course. There are videos about this as well as other aspects of the cerebral portion of the game of baseball. Jomboy is one of the best. He breaks down strategy as well as any. He also does videos where he reads the lips of players, coaches, and umpires during rows or arguments. They are hilarious. Cheers and keep up the good work. Your reactions are fun and genuine. Love it.
Thank you Jeff, love this, appreciate the support! Seen a lot of comments for Jomboy’s lip reading. We’ll have to check it out. Great you’re enjoying the content
I’m here because of jomboy, I think it’s great that British people are showing more interest as you guys made the wbc this year. I’m gonna be watching some videos and giving you guys tips to understand baseball more, awesome video.
The problem is once the coach realizes that the pitcher is tipping. It can take up to two innings for a replacement pitcher to warm up. As it would be an unexpected scenario and they may not have had a pitcher warming up already.
Jomboy's segues into his ads are always incredible. There was one in particular that had me in stitches. Let me see if I can find it, because I remember it being a funny video overall. Edit: I can't find the one I was remembering, but "Manager tells the umpire to pay attention, a breakdown" has a really good one.
😅 We’ll have a search of it, see if we can find it! He completely threw me with this one. Great delivery. Can tell we don’t have the experience of advertising 😂
@@DNReacts I normally skip sponsor segments, but if you can work it into the video in a really funny way, then I'll watch it. That whole video is great, not just the sponsor portion.
So what hitters look for is a difference in body language in the different pitches. It came out that randy Johnson’s glove was wide for sliders and closed for fastballs (or the reverse). It helps a little to know roughly what you are or are not getting
The pitcher has a radio receiver clipped to his hat. He's receiving a verbal electronic message "fastball", "slider" or "curveball" (etc.) from the catcher, who pushes a button on a small electronic device attached to his leg gear. This was instituted just in the last two seasons. For 120 years prior, the catcher would use his fingers to call for pitches. This is much like the NFL where Quarterbacks have a radio receiver in their helmets to get the plays being called by coaches on the sidelines. Technology is changing sports.
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This happens in other sports as well. Dan Fouts, former San Diego Chargers quarterback, would stand behind the center with one foot behind the other if he was dropping back to pass, and with his feet even when he was going to hand off. Eventually a team (I believe it was Denver) caught on, and made his day miserable (he eventually realized what he was doing and corrected it). Dennis Eckersley of the Oakland A's did a similar thing, it cost him once. .
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The nuances are what makes baseball great. That, and it's hard. "It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would be doing it. The hard, is what makes it great." - Jimmy Dugan
Great video. These things can happen to a rookie. Seems like somebody in the Minor Leagues would have picked up on that as much as these players are scouted. Everybody is always being watched. Good Job guys!
Yes! Jomboy is great! He knows everything there is to know about baseball. You’ve got to watch his lip reading compilations! He also broke open a huge scandal when he figured out that the Houston Astros were stealing signs to cheat and win games. Look up “Jomboy/Houston Astros cheating scandal”. Normally the catcher gives the pitcher signs with his hand telling him what pitch to throw. If the pitcher doesn’t like the pitch choice, he’ll shake his head “shaking him off”. One of my favorite Jomboy videos is him breaking down this bench clearing brawl between the Angels and the Mariners. He explains how the fight started and how it escalated into both teams rushing the field to fight. It’s pretty hilarious. He even lip reads what the fans are saying.😂 “Jomboy breaks down fight between the Angels and the Mariners”
One of the best things I’ve seen was SB Nation’s 4-part series on Dave Stieb, who was arguably the best pitcher of the 1980s. It’s long , but really worth a watch.
I love theses videos so much. I answer your questions out loud. I wish I could just watch these videos in the room with you haha and explain it! Glad y'all are enjoy baseball though!
The pitcher looking (or not looking) to third base isn't the pitcher signaling the catcher. It's just a bad habit the pitcher has that gives away the pitch. By the time he looks (or doesn't) the pitcher and catcher have already agreed on a pitch. Other times pitchers can "tip" their pitches by glove placement. Some will hold their glove by their belt for one pitch but then hold their glove by their chest for another.
A pitcher can tip pitches in a variety of ways. It's dugout art to try to figure out IF a pitcher is tipping. Same thing with stealing signs. Some players are really good at stealing signs. This is why sign sequences are so elaborate.
Hitters are always looking for patterns in pitchers to figure out what they will throw. It's an incredible advantage for a hitter to know what pitch is coming. Baseball is as much a mental game as it is physical game. Jomboy is definitely a student of the game.
Now you boys are beginning to understand the complexities of the game. It is way more than throw ball, hit ball. To me, baseball is like a ballet with life lessons.
9:40 They realized SOMETHING was wrong, which is why you saw all the fake headshakes and dancing around by the catcher. They definitely knew the yankees were onto them somehow. The only problem is they had no idea that was what was giving it away. Teams do have personnel who's job it is to notice that kind of stuff, but actually figuring out what's giving it away is easier said than done.
The fun thing about pitch tipping is that a lot of newer baseball fans feel it’s unfair, or cheating, but those of us who obsess over baseball and know the history and nuance, we know this is a really cool part of the game. The sneaky strategy below the surface is so captivating! It’s fair game. This is why pitchers need to learn how to not tip their pitches, otherwise they’ll get eaten up.
Shoutout to Jomboy, he's fantastic. People probably have already mentioned this, but the World Baseball Classic is currently happening and Great Britain has a team that's playing in it
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As of last year, pitchers have the choice to have a microphone next to their ear that the catcher sends an Audio message of what pitch to throw. There are still pitchers who prefer the old method of catchers throwing down fingers between their legs. Also EVERYONE hates the Yankees
This is a great video that shows the chess game baseball is. I'm not really a fan of pitchcom. I feel like baseball has the most nostalgia of the sports,at least for me. Modernization should be kept to minimal, maybe reviewing close homeruns. Peeking calls, framing pitches, and even blown calls are part of the game.
Baseball has a rich history of players doing everything they can to try to gain the smallest advantage. They study opposing pitchers looking for tendencies, or tipping. They also try to decode the hand signals the other team uses, or sign stealing.
Jomboy did a breakdown of an MLS playoff match. It went to penalties. One of the goalkeepers had been booked during the match. During the penalties, he came off his line early, which is an automatic yellow. Goalkeeper is sent off. Reserve goalkeeper is about to come on... But wait... No substitutions once penalties have begun. A field player had to man up between the sticks. If that had happened in Europe during a cup semifinal, cities would have burned to the ground. Jomboy's breakdown was very funny - and for a guy who doesn't really know proper football, pretty spot on. I recommend it wholeheartedly.
This is some extremely nuanced baseball shit. Jomboy is exceptional at breaking this stuff down. If the hitting team gets a runner on base, that runner will give some info to his team about the opposing pitchers tendencies that will help them predict pitches. The opposing pitcher in this case was a rookie and they picked up on his tip or "tells" quickly. This isn't typical per se but teams will definitely get any advantage they can and this is one way a team can expose an inexperienced pitcher. This kind of thing can also happen to experienced pitchers in high leverage games. I think Jomboy has a similar breakdown involving the pitcher Yu Darvish who tipped pitches in the playoffs.
Back in the day, the catcher would give hand signals to the pitcher telling him what type of pitch to throw in the picture would not yes or no. They now use technology, which was why he mentioned the shake being strange.
Subscribed. Lifelong soccer (football, I know) fan that didn’t get into baseball til last season and jomboy has helped me a ton. Excited to follow your journey as I recently went on a similar one!
I keep on commenting on your videos for the algorithm because I LOVE them. Idk if it's watching you guys learn or listening to you two trying to piece together what's happening(maybe both), but keep it up!
For the 'pitchers shake', what jomboy is talking about is when a pitcher disagrees with a pitch, he'll shake the catcher off to throw a different pitch. But the reason jomboy says he doesn't have to do that anymore is that there is a new rule which allows teams to directly give signs to the pitchers ear using electronics instead of using the catchers fingers to signal a pitch. This prevents the batting team from stealing signs.
There was an NFL game many years ago when the Dallas Cowboys couldn't get anything going with their offence. It was like the other team knew what was coming. They didn't figure out until after the game that the fullback, Robert Newhouse, was tipping the plays. If it was a run, he put his mouth guard in; if it was a pass, he didn't. Cost them the game. Made me happy because who doesn't love to hate the Cowboys?
Love what you guys are doing here, I am a first time viewer, and a collegiate baseball player. One thing that you may have mixed up in the breakdown is that the pitcher is not intentionally trying to tell anyone what pitch is coming. The pitcher and catcher communicate via earpieces and the catcher is the one that tells the pitcher what to throw. The issue is that the pitcher has what in poker you would call a “tell” meaning he is subconsciously giving up what pitch he is throwing. Hope this helps and good luck on the journey.
If you guys didn’t get it, the pitcher had a Tell that gives away his pitch and the batters have caught on, now if the pitcher manager or catcher doesn’t realize they know the tell or even worse & most likely, they don’t realize themselves he has a tell at all to correct. That’s why they were doing all that head shaking and moving around, they know something’s wrong but don’t know what needs to be fixed so tried fooling the batter with the wrong deception tactic and didn’t hide the real one. Basically “baseball chess”
I show Jomboy to any of my friends who say baseball is boring. He brings out the fun in baseball and points out a lot of the entertaining little nuances of baseball that might be harder to spot for people who haven’t been watching/playing since literal birth lol Also y’all’s audio is sounding really good, keep it up!
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Thanks for watching! Awesome you were able to pick it all up so quickly.
the legend himself!
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It was slow going at first 😂 but then it all clicked, great breakdown. Looking forward to checking out more of your videos 🤝🏻
What! Fancy seeing you here man! Love you break downs and The Weekly Dumb!
Jomboy is an absolute dynamo at breaking down the nuances of baseball. Even though most of his content leans into humorous situations, his knowledge and "feel" for baseball and its tactics are fairly high level.
He’s also a godly lip reader!!
Exactly- Watching Jomboy is the gateway drug into baseball nerd-dom ⚾️
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Tipping pitches is something pitchers try not to do. In last year's world series, Bryce Harper figured out a quirk in the opposing pitcher's delivery that gave him an idea of what pitch was coming. Harper hit a home run and went back to the dugout to tell his teammates what he saw. The pitcher, who is a really good pitcher most of the time, got hammered that night.
Pitcher’s name?
This is a great example of how baseball is so much deeper than it seems. You can enjoy a game without knowing any of this but if you recognize it during the game it's like you've unlocked secret knowledge. I'd love to see you guys watch a game on livestream with some fans.
Thanks Nathan, we’ll definitely be doing a livestream at some point for Baseball content. If we can work out how to do it we’re hoping to Premiere the US vs Great Britain highlights today 🤞
Pitchers would normally look for the sign for what pitch to throw, from the catcher, when the catcher would put down a sign for a pitch that the pitcher wouldn't want to throw, they would "shake" them off and the catcher would suggest a different pitch, but now this is done electronically right into the pitcher ear from a device on the catchers wrist, this is all because of the Astros sign stealing scandal which you guys need to look into
Just to clarify for you - a pitcher typically uses a “windup” motion to generate more speed when there’s no one on base. When base runners are present this can be a liability because it increases the time the ball gets to the catcher which allows runners to steal bases more easily. Therefore pitchers go into the “stretch” when runners are present, which is a quicker motion to deliver the ball and gives the catcher time to potentially throw out runners attempting to steal bases.
Thank you for this info. Makes a lot of sense
@@DNReacts And to add some extra details. Jomboy mentions something called PitchCom. It used to be the catcher would signal to the pitcher what pitch he wants via the fingers on the catchers throwing hand. To simply it, index finger extended by itself would be fastball, two fingers extended is a changeup and so on. However that would be too simple to figure out so catchers would do long sequences of gestures for a pitch. But pitchcom now allows catchers to signal what pitch they want and where by pressing a series of buttons on their sleeve and the pitcher has a receiver in his cap telling him what the catcher wants.
@conman1495 some Catchers (pre-PitchCom) would put white tape on their fingers oren brightly colored nail polish na
The stretch is meant for pick-offs the windup is just the regular "No one is on base" action. The stretch let's you pick-off runners easier.
This isn't entirely correct. A pitcher would be called for a balk if they pitched from the windup with a runner on base. There also isn't any evidence that pitching from the windup adds velocity to the pitch. In fact, some pitchers actually throw harder from the stretch. A study was done and Justin Verlander was one that threw harder from the stretch than from his windup.
In any sport, discovering another player's "tell" is always worth its weight in gold. Like football quarterbacks who often glance at their "hot" receiver pre-snap (Kerry Collins has left the chat 😂). There's a video here where Andre Agassi talks about how he could anticipate where Boris Becker was about to serve from how Boris stuck his tongue out of his mouth during his service motion
Enjoying your journey to learn about American sports. There's the humility and the admission of ignorance and then the, "Oh, I get it now" moments that are great. Keep it up.
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Now a days you might not see as much of the pitcher shaking off the catcher because if the pitch com devices which allow for a catch to call for a certain pitch and sends that call to a receiver that the pitcher is wearing and hear what is being called. There maybe some shake offs even with that. It generally not as many as when the catchers would put down the signs. But the pitch com was created to crack down on cheating with in the game of stealing signs and gaining unfair advantages outside of the rules as to discerning something as game play goes on as. What was show in this video. Look into the 2017 Astros trash can scandal.
Couldn’t agree more! Most RUclipsrs, edit the silly stuff out but they don’t. It’s real, raw, and honest! It’s one of the best viewing experiences for a reaction page on RUclips.
This classic game inside the game… baseball can be boring at times but there’s endless amounts of strategies taken place that make it interesting to watch and play
Thanks Sean. I am really enjoying the Baseball videos. Strategic thinking is right up my street, really interests me!
@@DNReacts Since it has a ton of stops in it, baseball is considered the most cerebral game of all North American sports. Managers are constantly trying to adjust their gameplan based on just what happened in the at-bat b4.
Pitchers tend to have "tells" when throwing different pitches. It's not always just where he's looking. It could be a leg lift, an arm wiggle, etc. That's the chess game between the hitters and the batters. The more you see a pitcher and his pitches the bigger the chance of guessing the right pitch. Some pitches are better at others at hiding what they're doing
Jomboy Lip readings are CLASSIC!
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Jomboy is great. He even has a video where he explains cricket in baseball terms.
Love this! I bet Jomboy would be able to teach us a thing or two about Cricket too! Really enjoyed this one
@@DNReactsWhere is that video? I've had trouble trying to figure out cricket, even with people trying to explain. I only get the basic concept
@@alkh3myst It's called "The rules and gameplay of cricket, a breakdown" and was posted in December of 2021
@@kelly614 Hey, thanks
Jomboy is amazing - one of a number of young youtube commentators really revitalizing baseball for a new generation. Absolutely LOVE to see him get more play; he's a wonderful ambassador for the game. Also, add one more vote here for more baseball content! Go Dodgers!
Still hasn't apologized to Altuve for the complete buzzer lie. He knew it was BS when he propagated the lie makes him full of shit.
Poor Dodgers, my Dbacks are going to the World Series!
Hey guys, loving everything on the channel especially the baseball stuff. Wanted to step in and clarify a couple things going on in this video. The rookie pitcher for the Tigers is not intentionally staring too long straight ahead to third base to indicate the pitch type to his Catcher. This is something he does unconsciously when throwing a fastball with a runner on base. In baseball, a pitcher with these unconscious physical "tells" (like poker) is said to be "tipping" his pitches. It is not very common for the hitting team to pick up on a reliable tell, but when they do a lot of runs can be scored.
Thank you Tyler, appreciate the support! Thank you for the context, makes sense. Especially with the poker analogy
@@DNReacts Yeah baseball b/c it's a game of set motions and like repeating motions w/ lots of stoppages, means psychologically it can be like golf where sometimes you mess up your form without even thinking about it.
Oh btw, I agree with someone else said. This is a very detailed pitching breakdown. Regular people watching a game don’t know what all the pitches are and don’t figure out these kinds of details etc. They’re just watching the game. But understanding strategy and how difficult the game is, makes it more interesting and fun to watch.
Greatest reaction channel currently. Love how you guys really try to understand what’s going on. Glad you’re enjoying my favorite sport!
Wow, thank you so much Ryouski. Really appreciate this
So glad y’all enjoyed the Jomboy!! He has some great pitching breakdowns, one with Juan Soto against Julio Urias where he overlays the pitches on top really nicely is very helpful for seeing how similar they look out of the hand
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Just so you guys are aware, the pitcher is not purposely doing that to communicate with the catcher. It’s all psychological and the Yankees were able to find a correlation! Brilliant stuff!
Right. Pitcher has a tell.
Jomboy is great at breaking down the nuances of baseball in an entertaining and easy to understand way. I know a few people who don't care about baseball buy enjoy watching his breakdowns. Most of them tend to focus on humorous scenarios, but watching a few of his breakdowns could give you a really good feel for what the normal day-to-day is like in baseball
I fit in that category. Not a baseball fan, but have watched Jomboy for a while now. He is 99% of the baseball I watch
When it comes to pitch tipping, it can be something that a team picks up during an individual game, or it can be something that they're told by advance scouts who watched that team or that player in the week(s) leading up to a series. Remember that in baseball, you play the same team 2-4 games in a row at one park, then usually a week or two later, you play them 2-4 games at the other team's park, so it's really worth preparing for a team with live scouts.
The practice of looking for pitch tipping is common not just for opposing pitchers but for your own. If you have a pitcher who is throwing well but he's getting hit hard, it's often assumed that he's tipping, so you'll try to figure out what the other team is seeing so you can coach him to correct his habit.
In this case the catcher clearly realizes his guy is tipping, but no one has figured out what they're keying on.
Precisely. Well said.
Another great resource for pretty much any sport is Secret Base. They do a pretty good variety of 10-minute breakdowns and longer form content.
90% of the battle between batter and pitcher is mental. If you can get in your opponent's head, you're in a good spot. Speaking of which, you need to check out Nolan Ryan, one of the greatest pitchers to ever play the game. The man lived rent free in the heads of so many players. He's been retired for 30 years and still holds the record for no-hitters (pitching a game without allowing even a single hit) in a career with 7. Love you guys' content, you're one of the channels that's reinvigorated my interest in sports, and I'm looking forward to seeing more from you guys.
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So glad you're doing JomBoy; he does a great job.
By "normal shake", he means it's sincere; the pitcher is legitimately trying to tell the catcher to suggest another pitch. JomBoy felt that Rodriguez was being stiff and performative. Subjective, but I see his point.
Usually when a pitcher is tipping his pitches, it's more to do with his glove position or a change to his motion. But the head angle was pretty obvious.
And it wasn't that the runner can see the pitches from first base, it's that with a runner on first, the pitcher can't do a full windup (or the runner would have time to steal 2nd) and apparently Rodriguez had trouble getting into a rhythm with having to throw from the stretch position, and so he was locking in on the catcher if he had to throw a breaking ball, because he was worried about locating it properly. (Whereas you can basically just rear back and heave a fastball.)
you guys should definitely react to Shohei Ohtani!! He'll blow your mind! Best athlete in the world happens to play baseball right now for the LA Angels and Team Japan.
Thank you for this one Zlibbus, on our list and will be coming shortly
@@DNReacts Keep up the great content!! 🫡
Wow......best athlete in the world. A tag never given to baseball players. Im thinking someone is an Angels fan
Actually a Red Sox fan 😂
An even better explanation....... My condolences. 😁
Jomboy is premium baseball youtubing. Love that you guys are watching him.
Love Jomboy. In baseball, just to know whether the pitch is going to be a fastball or not is a HUGE advantage. The ability to change speeds is just as/if not more important than being able to put a bunch of movement on the ball. So if you know you're getting a 93 mph pitch you can just tee off.
Makes a lot of sense, thanks Michael. Was an aspect of the game I hadn’t considered before watching this. Tactical situations like this are something I (Damo) really enjoy which is why I think I am enjoying Baseball more and more with each video we do
I dated a girl from Germany in college. I took her to a baseball game and spent the entire game trying like hell to get her to understand what was going on. As Americans we have no idea how hard the sport is to understand for someone who didn’t grow up around it. You guys actually did a really good job grasping the concepts in this video.
Big baseball fan, stumbled on your channel, you guys are great. Jomboy is an amazing youtuber, his breakdowns are the best, and his lip reading skills are incredible (so he has an uncanny ability to read situations no one else can, while having a great sense of humor). One of the best things to happen to baseball in recent times if you ask me. He actually helped uncover a huge sign stealing scandel a few years back on the Houston Astros cheating.
Guys, I’ve been extremely excited about this coming baseball season since the end of last season, but now that I’ve been following your baseball journey, I’m more excited than ever. These videos have been brilliant!
Keep the Jomboy reactions! definitely a good way to catch some of the inner tactics and ways baseball players deal within the game! great video by you guys!!
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I have mentioned this before, but a video I highly recommend would be Justin Verlanders impossible inning by Foolish baseball.
A pitcher "tipping" his pitches like that is really rare. It's just some kind of bad habit the pitcher fell into without realizing it. You're right though, the pitcher's team probably should have figured it out and told him but I guess they were just stumped.
jomboy is the best. i've been playing and watching baseball for 30 years and i still hear insightful things from them that i can learn from. awesome channel, very entertaining.
I recommend Ken Burns’ Baseball series if you want to understand what this game means to a lot of Americans. It is a huge part and mirror of our history as a country.
As a pitcher you should always try and throw all your pitches with the exact same motion. Otherwise the other team will start to notice a pattern so when the pitcher does this he’s “tipping his pitches”. There are many different ways to tip pitches. I love the MLB these vids are great!
4:18 It really is as simple as finding a pattern. When you’ve been pitching long enough to make it to the majors, you’ll develop your own routine and that can be hard to break. Even if it is something as small as, stop looking at third base.
There was one pitcher who tipped his pitches based on how high he brought his knee up. If it was about waist level, it was one type of pitch, but if he brought his knee up higher than his waist during his windup, it was a different type of pitch. It’s just picking up in subtleties to give your team an advantage
You guys should definitely react to the Astros sign-stealing scandal from 2017; Jomboy has a good video on this. Before then, the "dialogue" between the catcher and pitcher was done through the catcher giving hand signals and the pitcher shaking his head for yes/no. The catchers and pitchers would develop code systems: one finger for fastball, two for slider, etc. The catchers would also tap the side of their thigh to indicate whether the pitch would go on the inside or the outside.
In that scandal the Astros had someone in the outfield bleachers reading the signs and hitting garbage cans loudly to tip their batters about what pitch the other team was about to throw. They won the world series that year through this cheating. That scandal is the reason the catchers now use an electronic device to signal pitches instead of the traditional hand signs.
Jomboy is the greatest at easily explaining what’s going on to non baseball fans
so at this point they have added the pticom which is actual signal to the pitcher to say what to through. Players are looking for these types of tells every game from everyone. The shaking off the sign is something that used to be done when the pitches were told through literal hand signals. But tipped pitches are something that can be done, by from anyone at any point in a player carrier. Loving seeing yall grow in knowledge of American games. Keep up the great content.
Jomboy is awesome super smart and funny. You should do a video on Shohei Ohtani a once in a lifetime player happening right now
Thanks for this. I think now we’ve got a bit of a basic understanding we’ll do Shohei Ohtani. We’ve heard crazy things but I think we’ll get a good enough understanding. We didn’t want to review him when clueless lol
This is very intricate stuff.
You don’t need to understand what is going on here to understand baseball.
Sometimes it's where your glove is when you start your motion to the plate: if you start with the glove at chest level, it's a fastball, if it's lower it's a breaking pitch.
Other times it might be a hitch in your delivery, or habit like twitching your shoulder to loosen your uni. There's a million ways to give a pitch away, and if the batters figure it out before you do, you're in for a long night.
I'm a bit of a homer here, but the Giants 2012 video documenting their playoff run is amazing. They were so good in the regular season and came back from 2-0 in a best of 5 and 3-1 in a best of 7. They won 5 straight elimination games and it was not boring at all. Jomboy blowing the lid off the Astros cheating scandal is amazing also. Absolute legend.
Jomboy is the GOAT. Love all of his content. He does great analysis videos. I suggest to keep watching more of his stuff to understand the nuances of ball. Keep upthe good work boys, loving the channel
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Jomboy is one of a kind! You’ll quickly learn a lot of baseball’s nuance watching his stuff
Did you guys pick up the difference in pitching motion? There's the "Windup" and the "Stretch." The windup is when the pitcher's knee comes up to his chest and his leg shoots out in front of him. This is how most pitchers work, most of the time. The stretch is used because it is harder for a base runner to steal a base with the shortened stretch motion. You'll notice his leg glide forward instead of raising and kicking. That's why he changed his delivery when a man got on base. This is important here because the pitcher has a poker like tell when he pitches from the stretch.
The pitcher/batter face off is what makes the game fun and chess like. The batter is trying to guess whats coming next and the pitcher/catcher is trying to throw sequences of pitches to throw off the batter. Something may look like a high fastball that was thrown before but dives away. The catcher also is orchestrating all sequences and tailers them to each batter. Every batter has strengths and weaknesses that the catcher needs to be aware of.
Taking approximately 6 minutes to understand the meaning of shaking off a catcher and a basic grasp tipping/hiding pitches, and the importance of pitcher/catcher "conversation" is a much higher aptitude for the sport than many high school players here in the states that have played it since age 5.
Much of the drama in baseball is found between the pitcher and the catcher. The catcher will flash a sign using his fingers; 1 finger is fastball, 2 fingers is curveball, 3 fingers is change-up...and if the pitcher wants to throw a different pitch than what the catcher is calling for, he will 'shake him off'..The hitters and baserunners are watching intently to see if the pitcher will tip off his pitches, as described here on this video. It's alot like a chess game once you figure out what the pitcher's tendencies are and how the opposing hitters are reacting to them..
Hey guys I very much appreciate your interest in baseball. You guys are doing GREAT. Too many find it slow but they fail to recognize the constant "dual" between the pitcher and hitter... the mental and physical components.
Another thing that maybe you've noticed but there are SO MANY NUMBERS and STATS used in describing players. Baseball is all about numbers. There is movie called "Moneyball" (with Brad Pitt) a true story, that exposes the value of stats.
PS: I grew up listening to baseball on radio...now there is a perfect match. All baseball fans can listen to a game and literally see with their mind's eye the action on the field. They know where everyone should be and who should be doing.
One quick explanation on "the stretch" - a pitcher typically has two ways to deliver the ball, "the windup," a full motion, and "the stretch." The stretch is an abbreviated motion used when there are runners on base, reducing the possibility of a stolen base by making the motion quicker (they are just "stretching" their foot towards the plate). There weren't any tells in this pitcher's standard motion, but his stretch delivery is where the other team (and Jomboy) figured out which pitch was coming next.
I'm glad you watched this video - it gives you some insight into the chess match between pitcher and hitter. Most of my friends get bored with the slow pace of baseball - but i came to appreciate the cerebral battle taking place on each pitch. In a previous post - i likened this dynamic to the one between kicker and goalie on penalty kicks & overtime shoot-outs in American soccer / European football. If you can guess correctly what you think your opponent is going to do - you have the advantage - so you are looking for clues that may reveal what your opponent intends to do. Remember - this video focused on this pitcher / hitter dynamic from the point of view of the hitters. But the pitcher is making similar calculations about the batter - what his strengths and vulnerabilities are. Anyways - i'm glad you're interested in doing more baseball - looking forward to your videos. Thanks for posting this one.
I love your reactions - I will say that you chose a rather complicated video to react to (from a baseball IQ standpoint) so congrats to you guys on staying with it and trying to understand the whole thing.
Thank you for the support Alex. Great you’re loving the content! Yeah we sometimes like to tackle something really complex, we can’t help but be intrigued 😅 Found this one really interesting
In the old days… the catcher would use his fingers to call the pitch. If the pitcher doesn’t like the call he will “shake him off”. Now they use electronic pitch call so the shakes are fake (at least the intense looks at the catcher is fake, because he’s getting the pitch through a headset). The other item he talked about was “tipping pitches”. Many younger pitchers tip their pitches. Perhaps by the way they hold their gloves or how they reach into the glove to grip the ball. It is very common for veteran players will watch their young ones to help them out. Much like a “tell” in poker.
So the game within the game is “can the opposing team figure out the tell before one of your veterans on your own team figures it out”.
One of the best in the game was the great defensive catcher, Yadier Molina. He and his teammate, pitcher Adam Wainwright, were famous for helping young pitchers figure out their tips or tells. There have been others as well, of course. There are videos about this as well as other aspects of the cerebral portion of the game of baseball. Jomboy is one of the best. He breaks down strategy as well as any. He also does videos where he reads the lips of players, coaches, and umpires during rows or arguments. They are hilarious. Cheers and keep up the good work. Your reactions are fun and genuine. Love it.
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Loved this video! Jomboy is amazing 👍
I’m here because of jomboy, I think it’s great that British people are showing more interest as you guys made the wbc this year. I’m gonna be watching some videos and giving you guys tips to understand baseball more, awesome video.
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The problem is once the coach realizes that the pitcher is tipping. It can take up to two innings for a replacement pitcher to warm up. As it would be an unexpected scenario and they may not have had a pitcher warming up already.
Jomboy's segues into his ads are always incredible. There was one in particular that had me in stitches. Let me see if I can find it, because I remember it being a funny video overall.
Edit: I can't find the one I was remembering, but "Manager tells the umpire to pay attention, a breakdown" has a really good one.
😅 We’ll have a search of it, see if we can find it! He completely threw me with this one. Great delivery. Can tell we don’t have the experience of advertising 😂
@@DNReacts I normally skip sponsor segments, but if you can work it into the video in a really funny way, then I'll watch it. That whole video is great, not just the sponsor portion.
So what hitters look for is a difference in body language in the different pitches. It came out that randy Johnson’s glove was wide for sliders and closed for fastballs (or the reverse). It helps a little to know roughly what you are or are not getting
The pitcher has a radio receiver clipped to his hat. He's receiving a verbal electronic message "fastball", "slider" or "curveball" (etc.) from the catcher, who pushes a button on a small electronic device attached to his leg gear. This was instituted just in the last two seasons. For 120 years prior, the catcher would use his fingers to call for pitches. This is much like the NFL where Quarterbacks have a radio receiver in their helmets to get the plays being called by coaches on the sidelines. Technology is changing sports.
I love these videos bc i feel like im learning the sport ive loved for a while all over again
This is great, thank you!
Jomboy's lip reading breakdowns are also great...He also does some cricket reactions
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Jomboys breakdown of Amir Garrett fighting the entire pirates team is great, should check it out
This happens in other sports as well. Dan Fouts, former San Diego Chargers quarterback, would stand behind the center with one foot behind the other if he was dropping back to pass, and with his feet even when he was going to hand off. Eventually a team (I believe it was Denver) caught on, and made his day miserable (he eventually realized what he was doing and corrected it). Dennis Eckersley of the Oakland A's did a similar thing, it cost him once. .
Jomboy is a mad genius. Best baseball commentator out there
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The nuances are what makes baseball great. That, and it's hard.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would be doing it. The hard, is what makes it great." - Jimmy Dugan
Great video. These things can happen to a rookie. Seems like somebody in the Minor Leagues would have picked up on that as much as these players are scouted. Everybody is always being watched. Good Job guys!
That's what makes baseball so beautiful, if you want to enjoy baseball, pick up a team, whatever it is and you will see how enjoyable is the game.
Jomboy Baseball Fights. You’re welcome lol
Yes! Jomboy is great! He knows everything there is to know about baseball. You’ve got to watch his lip reading compilations! He also broke open a huge scandal when he figured out that the Houston Astros were stealing signs to cheat and win games. Look up “Jomboy/Houston Astros cheating scandal”. Normally the catcher gives the pitcher signs with his hand telling him what pitch to throw. If the pitcher doesn’t like the pitch choice, he’ll shake his head “shaking him off”. One of my favorite Jomboy videos is him breaking down this bench clearing brawl between the Angels and the Mariners. He explains how the fight started and how it escalated into both teams rushing the field to fight. It’s pretty hilarious. He even lip reads what the fans are saying.😂 “Jomboy breaks down fight between the Angels and the Mariners”
The one with the Braves and Padres in 1984 is also worth watching.
You guys are absolutely jumping in at the deep end here. Good job following along as well as you did.
Randy Johnson tipped his pitches his whole career but he was 6'10 and threw 100+ mph so good luck
One of the best things I’ve seen was SB Nation’s 4-part series on Dave Stieb, who was arguably the best pitcher of the 1980s. It’s long , but really worth a watch.
Jim it has been doing a bunch of cricket breakdowns too. He does a great job!
I love theses videos so much. I answer your questions out loud. I wish I could just watch these videos in the room with you haha and explain it! Glad y'all are enjoy baseball though!
The pitcher looking (or not looking) to third base isn't the pitcher signaling the catcher. It's just a bad habit the pitcher has that gives away the pitch. By the time he looks (or doesn't) the pitcher and catcher have already agreed on a pitch. Other times pitchers can "tip" their pitches by glove placement. Some will hold their glove by their belt for one pitch but then hold their glove by their chest for another.
A pitcher can tip pitches in a variety of ways. It's dugout art to try to figure out IF a pitcher is tipping. Same thing with stealing signs. Some players are really good at stealing signs. This is why sign sequences are so elaborate.
Hitters are always looking for patterns in pitchers to figure out what they will throw. It's an incredible advantage for a hitter to know what pitch is coming. Baseball is as much a mental game as it is physical game. Jomboy is definitely a student of the game.
Now you boys are beginning to understand the complexities of the game. It is way more than throw ball, hit ball. To me, baseball is like a ballet with life lessons.
9:40 They realized SOMETHING was wrong, which is why you saw all the fake headshakes and dancing around by the catcher. They definitely knew the yankees were onto them somehow.
The only problem is they had no idea that was what was giving it away. Teams do have personnel who's job it is to notice that kind of stuff, but actually figuring out what's giving it away is easier said than done.
The fun thing about pitch tipping is that a lot of newer baseball fans feel it’s unfair, or cheating, but those of us who obsess over baseball and know the history and nuance, we know this is a really cool part of the game. The sneaky strategy below the surface is so captivating! It’s fair game. This is why pitchers need to learn how to not tip their pitches, otherwise they’ll get eaten up.
As a Tigers fan(the team pitching) this is a perfect summation of how last season went. Just a disaster from the jump
Shoutout to Jomboy, he's fantastic. People probably have already mentioned this, but the World Baseball Classic is currently happening and Great Britain has a team that's playing in it
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As of last year, pitchers have the choice to have a microphone next to their ear that the catcher sends an Audio message of what pitch to throw. There are still pitchers who prefer the old method of catchers throwing down fingers between their legs.
Also EVERYONE hates the Yankees
sesh till i rest
Thank you for this info/context Josh. Appreciate it
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Yankees are the most popular teams in baseball.
This is a great video that shows the chess game baseball is. I'm not really a fan of pitchcom. I feel like baseball has the most nostalgia of the sports,at least for me. Modernization should be kept to minimal, maybe reviewing close homeruns. Peeking calls, framing pitches, and even blown calls are part of the game.
Baseball has a rich history of players doing everything they can to try to gain the smallest advantage. They study opposing pitchers looking for tendencies, or tipping. They also try to decode the hand signals the other team uses, or sign stealing.
Jomboy did a breakdown of an MLS playoff match. It went to penalties. One of the goalkeepers had been booked during the match.
During the penalties, he came off his line early, which is an automatic yellow. Goalkeeper is sent off. Reserve goalkeeper is about to come on... But wait... No substitutions once penalties have begun. A field player had to man up between the sticks.
If that had happened in Europe during a cup semifinal, cities would have burned to the ground. Jomboy's breakdown was very funny - and for a guy who doesn't really know proper football, pretty spot on.
I recommend it wholeheartedly.
Mike Pelfrey, formerly of the Mets, was found to be tipping his pitches based on things he was doing with his mouth when he pitched.
This is some extremely nuanced baseball shit. Jomboy is exceptional at breaking this stuff down. If the hitting team gets a runner on base, that runner will give some info to his team about the opposing pitchers tendencies that will help them predict pitches. The opposing pitcher in this case was a rookie and they picked up on his tip or "tells" quickly. This isn't typical per se but teams will definitely get any advantage they can and this is one way a team can expose an inexperienced pitcher. This kind of thing can also happen to experienced pitchers in high leverage games. I think Jomboy has a similar breakdown involving the pitcher Yu Darvish who tipped pitches in the playoffs.
Back in the day, the catcher would give hand signals to the pitcher telling him what type of pitch to throw in the picture would not yes or no.
They now use technology, which was why he mentioned the shake being strange.
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For the 'pitchers shake', what jomboy is talking about is when a pitcher disagrees with a pitch, he'll shake the catcher off to throw a different pitch. But the reason jomboy says he doesn't have to do that anymore is that there is a new rule which allows teams to directly give signs to the pitchers ear using electronics instead of using the catchers fingers to signal a pitch. This prevents the batting team from stealing signs.
There was an NFL game many years ago when the Dallas Cowboys couldn't get anything going with their offence. It was like the other team knew what was coming. They didn't figure out until after the game that the fullback, Robert Newhouse, was tipping the plays. If it was a run, he put his mouth guard in; if it was a pass, he didn't. Cost them the game. Made me happy because who doesn't love to hate the Cowboys?
Love what you guys are doing here, I am a first time viewer, and a collegiate baseball player. One thing that you may have mixed up in the breakdown is that the pitcher is not intentionally trying to tell anyone what pitch is coming. The pitcher and catcher communicate via earpieces and the catcher is the one that tells the pitcher what to throw. The issue is that the pitcher has what in poker you would call a “tell” meaning he is subconsciously giving up what pitch he is throwing. Hope this helps and good luck on the journey.
Thank you for clearing that up Preston! Really appreciate your comment 😀
If you guys didn’t get it, the pitcher had a Tell that gives away his pitch and the batters have caught on, now if the pitcher manager or catcher doesn’t realize they know the tell or even worse & most likely, they don’t realize themselves he has a tell at all to correct. That’s why they were doing all that head shaking and moving around, they know something’s wrong but don’t know what needs to be fixed so tried fooling the batter with the wrong deception tactic and didn’t hide the real one. Basically “baseball chess”
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Just search Jomboy Media videos by popularity, and react to some that jump out at you. His breakdowns are legendary.
I show Jomboy to any of my friends who say baseball is boring. He brings out the fun in baseball and points out a lot of the entertaining little nuances of baseball that might be harder to spot for people who haven’t been watching/playing since literal birth lol
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