For me this is worth having said that my drive to work is 11 miles, I can drive either highway, winding hilly road or streets. I currently have a i3 and I’m totally happy with it.
I ride one daily to work each way 40 Km and still have around 20 +/- km left. The heated seat and handles don’t use up much electricity from what I can tell ( used it on full power level 3 when temps have been around 1 to 3 degrees Celsius here in Germany 🇩🇪 I always use eco mode and hardly ever need to use the brakes due to the regeneration which is 👍 I had pre ordered a Sondors Metacycle for my commute to work but with all the delays and still not available in Europe I cancelled and opted for this. Although more expensive well worth it. By the way dynamic mode eats into your battery but scarily fast!
I like the concept of an electric scooter. Currently I own a sport scooter Kymco AK550i. I also have the money to buy the CE-04, but several factors are holding me back. As such: 1. BMW has some serious reliability issues, the previous generation of their scooters had too many issues (electronic and mechanical). 2. BMW always introduces new models and abandons all previous models (usually 3-5 year cycles), so after a while parts become impossible to find, unless you get them through the dealership network and that is very costly. 3. There are very few BMW scooters out there and most places don't know how to work on them. 4. The CE-04 has very limited storage for a scooter. There is very little wind protection. 5. I also worry that this will be a low volume scooter for the above mentioned reasons. 6. Out the door this scooter will cost around $15K, that is just too much for 80 miles range scooter. At the end of the day even though I like the CE-04 if I want to listen to my brain it says "Bad idea, do not buy!"
@@volhv1973 The point then is kymco has not made something like this - cannot currently make it but for sure they will copy it and use inferior parts. If you have the money, why buy a fake with lower quality .BMW designs are reliable and longer.
@@stopato5772 Kymco "inferior" engines are good enough for BMW to put into their scooters. I can agree on some plastic parts, but you can't beat the price of the scooters they make and the parts in the future. BMW will charge 3x for them
Mine won't power up after three months of ownership. I wouldn't recommend the CE-04. Never have had a problem with any Yamaha bike, or scooter. Live and learn for sure. Now I'm stuck with a bike that I don't trust
Love your first impressions. Would love to hear your riding review. I believe there is a fundamental difference in the industry right now with electric Motorcycles/Mopeds/Scooters. It comes down to whether you design the bike to have a removable battery or fixed in place. The benefit of a removable battery is that you can effectively double your range by bringing it into your place of work or apartment and charge while you work or sleep. That being said, removable batteries have less capacity , which requires you to purchase an optional second battery for longer range. The advantage of a fixed battery is that you are seeing larger batteries and longer range. All that being said, I live in MN and I worry about leaving a scooter outside in my detached, unheated garage all winter. I would love the ability to winterize the scooter by removing the battery and bringing it inside to place on a tender during the winter. However, I really would prefer the power and range of a bigger battery. Do you know what BMW recommends for winter storage? Thanks!
After 2200 km, i can Say that it's very very fun to drive. 100km (instead of 130km) at 70-85 km/h and mode Eco But if you drive slowly you can do many many km. 7% of battery for 18 km at 50km/h....
It “could” be enough for my commute, if I were to baby it the whole 60 mile round trip, & never get on the highway. They should use that helmet space for an extended battery pack. 120 is the magic mile range for me.
It's impressive albeit a tad on the pricey side. It would work for my commute as round trip is under 20 miles and I have a garage, a rarity where I live . Most people where I live and work do not have off street parking or a garage, while electric vehicles are really good for city dwellers as far as commuting, and environmental concerns, they are not a good solution without an infrastructure.
I drove it a while ago: + till 50kmh nice zippy + looks! + display - actual range of 95-100km to little - it’s long and you can tell when turning (weird long wheel base for a city driver??) - price
It's cool looking, but $11k for 75 miles, yea it can go on the highway at least, but 500+ pounds and it's long. But I'm still impressed with it all the same, BMW has to start somewhere, this is a pretty good start.
The claimed range, of this scooter, on a ‘full’ charge is 80 miles. However we are now being told that it is recommended that you do not charge the battery of an electric vehicle to more than 80%, or run it down to less than 20%, as either case is likely to shorten its service life. So if you use it as recommended you can only actually do 60% of 80miles without re-charging. By my reckoning that gives you a range of 48 miles. Good luck with that.
Doesnt go far enough for the price not even close lots needs to be done before I will switch to anything electric.... electric engineer it's only an associates degree but I know enough.... another 2-5 years and I'm all in !!!
it's pretty cool, but I checked and dealers have extra fees, getting one for around $11,000 would be impossible. you might as well buy a used BMW i3 and carry your dog with you
I dig the looks. I have 3 ebikes and love them….I would not buy a eScooter that big. If that was gas, you would see them everywhere. I really like it, just too heavy for anything more than a toy.
it needs something to add for storage... some type of trunk or something. I can't think of anything that could be added that would look good on it though because of the style. BMW should make some matching luggage options.
I am darn close to deciding to buy one for my work/school commutes. I just need to verify the miles I can get when most of my traveling will be on the highway. Thanks for the review, as always, great job.
@@ToyotaSubieDude IDK about a nice motorcycle. The cheapest one ive owned was an FZ10, and after getting it fixed up, it was close to double that cost. Nice motorcycles aren't that cheap, imo, but I guess it depends on what your definition of 'nice' is. But for a daily commute, not having to worry about getting gas because on any bike youre getting gas a lot, it is the perfect setup. I just want to verify that I can get at least 60 miles out of it. I really like the look and everything. Heated grips and seat, storage, zero gas stations, comfortable.
I’ll totally admit it. When it comes to bikes, im a prissy b*tch lol. I could care less what I drive(car wise), but am picky with bikes. I don’t think those are my style. They are great bikes tho, super reliable. Like I said tho, I like the scooter a lot. Everything about it. I just want to make sure the miles are there, cause I know that goes down when it’s highway miles.
My commute is a 100 mile round trip, so not quite good enough for that. What bugs me about EV’s is battery life and cost. Not to mention the current administrations war on energy.
Too heavy (500 lbs), poor range (75 miles is not enough and not at 75mph), takes too long to charge (better be a charger at your destination or not making it home), high price (gotta get that below $10k). And for $15k provide a Centre stand for free.
Why not a test drive? Where do you keep your stuff on this bike?. The back luggage carrier part is ripped off . The small hole under the seat is filled up with the charging cable. It's not a practical bike.
The terrible i3 reliability soured my taste for BMW EVs. BMW cars and motorcycles have low reliability but I was hoping the simplicity of electric drivetrains would change that. Unfortunately it did not.
In Germany they changed from cc to Power in kilowatt. There is an additional license without being tested availble since 2020 on top of your car license which translates back to 125 cc to fill in this gap of e scooters.
CE-04 actually refers to BMWs prototype mobility series. C refers to prototype mobility, E refers to electric, and 04 because this is their 4th prototype mobility model.
no, C is their urban mobility range (scooters, likely soon e-bikes), and 04 refers to the bike's equivalence to a 400cc scooter. They have a CE02 in the works, which is more alike to a 200cc scooter in terms of performance.
14 THOUSAND!! Are you taking the piss!! If it was half that it would be too much. There is absolutely no incentive whatsoever; as far as I can see, for moving to electric. I'll stick to my my nice petrol bike, thanks very much......
They should have gone with a hub motor and add more batteries where the motor is now. This is just an expensive kid toy other EV scooters are light years ahead of this.
@@Kimbrough87 Honda Navi is bigger than 50cc and needs to be registered, insured and you need a motorcycle license to operate it in my state. I already have the Honda Ruckus and it's been great for 6000+ miles. Because it's 49cc there's no registration, insurance or motorcycle license needed in my state. I changed the variator weights in the transmission so I can go almost 45 mph. I wouldn't mind an electric version like I mentioned in my comment because my solar panels on my roof produce excess electricity that I could use to power a scooter instead of selling it back to the power company and having to buy gas for my Honda Ruckus.
Probably 15 grand when you finish all the hidden fees....just get a Bergman.... half the price and never get stranded or deal with BMW reliability......
For me this is worth having said that my drive to work is 11 miles, I can drive either highway, winding hilly road or streets. I currently have a i3 and I’m totally happy with it.
I ride one daily to work each way 40 Km and still have around 20 +/- km left.
The heated seat and handles don’t use up much electricity from what I can tell ( used it on full power level 3 when temps have been around 1 to 3 degrees Celsius here in Germany 🇩🇪
I always use eco mode and hardly ever need to use the brakes due to the regeneration which is 👍
I had pre ordered a Sondors Metacycle for my commute to work but with all the delays and still not available in Europe I cancelled and opted for this. Although more expensive well worth it.
By the way dynamic mode eats into your battery but scarily fast!
I like the concept of an electric scooter. Currently I own a sport scooter Kymco AK550i. I also have the money to buy the CE-04, but several factors are holding me back. As such:
1. BMW has some serious reliability issues, the previous generation of their scooters had too many issues (electronic and mechanical).
2. BMW always introduces new models and abandons all previous models (usually 3-5 year cycles), so after a while parts become impossible to find, unless you get them through the dealership network and that is very costly.
3. There are very few BMW scooters out there and most places don't know how to work on them.
4. The CE-04 has very limited storage for a scooter. There is very little wind protection.
5. I also worry that this will be a low volume scooter for the above mentioned reasons.
6. Out the door this scooter will cost around $15K, that is just too much for 80 miles range scooter.
At the end of the day even though I like the CE-04 if I want to listen to my brain it says "Bad idea, do not buy!"
If kymco made something like that... It would be 50% cheaper and good quality.
@@volhv1973 The point then is kymco has not made something like this - cannot currently make it but for sure they will copy it and use inferior parts.
If you have the money, why buy a fake with lower quality .BMW designs are reliable and longer.
@@stopato5772 Kymco "inferior" engines are good enough for BMW to put into their scooters. I can agree on some plastic parts, but you can't beat the price of the scooters they make and the parts in the future. BMW will charge 3x for them
Mine won't power up after three months of ownership. I wouldn't recommend the CE-04. Never have had a problem with any Yamaha bike, or scooter. Live and learn for sure. Now I'm stuck with a bike that I don't trust
Love your first impressions. Would love to hear your riding review. I believe there is a fundamental difference in the industry right now with electric Motorcycles/Mopeds/Scooters. It comes down to whether you design the bike to have a removable battery or fixed in place. The benefit of a removable battery is that you can effectively double your range by bringing it into your place of work or apartment and charge while you work or sleep. That being said, removable batteries have less capacity , which requires you to purchase an optional second battery for longer range. The advantage of a fixed battery is that you are seeing larger batteries and longer range. All that being said, I live in MN and I worry about leaving a scooter outside in my detached, unheated garage all winter. I would love the ability to winterize the scooter by removing the battery and bringing it inside to place on a tender during the winter. However, I really would prefer the power and range of a bigger battery. Do you know what BMW recommends for winter storage? Thanks!
75 mile rang at 20mph. Or what speed? There needs to be a standardized rating.
Real world prob 50
Mine consistently gets over 120km with a mix of freeway and back street riding.
@@declancrowley2155 Good to hear.
At 20mph you'll get more than 75miles, to achieve 75mph it's at least a 50ah battery.
That’s how they get you. I had a Livewire and that battery would drain so damn fast on the freeway.
After 2200 km, i can Say that it's very very fun to drive. 100km (instead of 130km) at 70-85 km/h and mode Eco
But if you drive slowly you can do many many km. 7% of battery for 18 km at 50km/h....
Totally right that Tommy did this review.
KANEDA!!! TETSUO!!!....AKIRA!!
BMW designers regarding the rear wheel: “We’ll take all the Honda Fit emergency spares that you’ve got.”
The only thing I don’t like is stressing about running out of power where there’s no charger
It “could” be enough for my commute, if I were to baby it the whole 60 mile round trip, & never get on the highway.
They should use that helmet space for an extended battery pack.
120 is the magic mile range for me.
Totally agree
I really like this thing. If I got one it would be my first electric.
Looks like a bus bench with handlebars
It's ugly and stupid but I want one. Would have it wrapped with some crazy graphics. And lasers. It definitely needs lasers!.
In the promotional material it looks kinda weird, but seeing you walk up to it, it kind of reminds me of a jet-ski with wheels.
love the cyberpunk look
It looks like a stable fun ride.
Looks really fun. I don't care for the back wheel though, looks like someone stole your hubcap xD
It's impressive albeit a tad on the pricey side. It would work for my commute as round trip is under 20 miles and I have a garage, a rarity where I live . Most people where I live and work do not have off street parking or a garage, while electric vehicles are really good for city dwellers as far as commuting, and environmental concerns, they are not a good solution without an infrastructure.
I drove it a while ago:
+ till 50kmh nice zippy
+ looks!
+ display
- actual range of 95-100km to little
- it’s long and you can tell when turning (weird long wheel base for a city driver??)
- price
Long wheel base is good for highways but for city its a con
It's cool looking, but $11k for 75 miles, yea it can go on the highway at least, but 500+ pounds and it's long.
But I'm still impressed with it all the same, BMW has to start somewhere, this is a pretty good start.
The claimed range, of this scooter, on a ‘full’ charge is 80 miles. However we are now being told that it is recommended that you do not charge the battery of an electric vehicle to more than 80%, or run it down to less than 20%, as either case is likely to shorten its service life.
So if you use it as recommended you can only actually do 60% of 80miles without re-charging. By my reckoning that gives you a range of 48 miles.
Good luck with that.
Doesnt go far enough for the price not even close lots needs to be done before I will switch to anything electric.... electric engineer it's only an associates degree but I know enough.... another 2-5 years and I'm all in !!!
it's pretty cool, but I checked and dealers have extra fees, getting one for around $11,000 would be impossible. you might as well buy a used BMW i3 and carry your dog with you
I dig the looks. I have 3 ebikes and love them….I would not buy a eScooter that big. If that was gas, you would see them everywhere. I really like it, just too heavy for anything more than a toy.
it needs something to add for storage... some type of trunk or something. I can't think of anything that could be added that would look good on it though because of the style. BMW should make some matching luggage options.
not a bike guy, but am interested in this one
It's growing on me.. My current commute is less than 20 miles and the speed limit is 45mph the whole way. So this would be perfect for me..
when you realized the future is now
Stupendo il mio CE04 🎉❤
500 lbs. no thanks…. Honda Metro , Will do .
I am darn close to deciding to buy one for my work/school commutes. I just need to verify the miles I can get when most of my traveling will be on the highway. Thanks for the review, as always, great job.
$11K is a lot for a scooter. You can get a really nice gas motorcycle for the same price that's faster and has more range
@@ToyotaSubieDude IDK about a nice motorcycle. The cheapest one ive owned was an FZ10, and after getting it fixed up, it was close to double that cost. Nice motorcycles aren't that cheap, imo, but I guess it depends on what your definition of 'nice' is. But for a daily commute, not having to worry about getting gas because on any bike youre getting gas a lot, it is the perfect setup. I just want to verify that I can get at least 60 miles out of it. I really like the look and everything. Heated grips and seat, storage, zero gas stations, comfortable.
@@shredcity7217 z400 and rebel 500 are both under $10K and very reliable
I’ll totally admit it. When it comes to bikes, im a prissy b*tch lol. I could care less what I drive(car wise), but am picky with bikes. I don’t think those are my style. They are great bikes tho, super reliable. Like I said tho, I like the scooter a lot. Everything about it. I just want to make sure the miles are there, cause I know that goes down when it’s highway miles.
They do have a gas alternative which I think is a much better deal
It’s a big Segway. Just buy a Segway then you don’t need to register, pay taxes, insurance etc. etc.
509lbs!? I’ll take my Dino juice sipper triple cylinder at 415
My commute is a 100 mile round trip, so not quite good enough for that. What bugs me about EV’s is battery life and cost. Not to mention the current administrations war on energy.
When will you take it on the "Ike Gauntlet"... piggy back? Actually cool little errand runner.
What about a drive and review this was just a walk around talking about it what is the drive and real life review of it
he don't have a cycle endorsement lol
top speed of 75 is more like a 150cc lol my bmw bike 310R can do 100mph
Hows it ride?
I can buy a quality used Harley for that price! More fun, less soy.
Too heavy (500 lbs), poor range (75 miles is not enough and not at 75mph), takes too long to charge (better be a charger at your destination or not making it home), high price (gotta get that below $10k). And for $15k provide a Centre stand for free.
This is a great scooter
22k in AU pretty price for a bike with an electric push bike range, 2hr charging means no cruising long range whatsoever!
People should know it's not good for short riders. I am 5'6", could not really ride it .
@Giveaway0101 Thank you, I have received the money!
Wonder why they didn't try a seatbelt version like the Kymco one they did with ICE.
You can't beat a Kymco Agility 125.
Any good resources on available electric scooters in the States? Would love something for around town.
Edit...annnnd this one is too $$ for my blood.
Show me a 400cc ice motorcycle that only does 75 mph BMW LoL. CE2 maybe
14k! 😂😂😂😂😂
did tfl recently start to add background music to their videos??? its so annoying
It’s definitely “hip” but waaay too expensive. I could buy a Vespa and a fleet of other bikes for the same price.
Why not a test drive? Where do you keep your stuff on this bike?. The back luggage carrier part is ripped off . The small hole under the seat is filled up with the charging cable. It's not a practical bike.
The terrible i3 reliability soured my taste for BMW EVs. BMW cars and motorcycles have low reliability but I was hoping the simplicity of electric drivetrains would change that. Unfortunately it did not.
There’s a lots of volta chargers where i live = free charging 😂 the problem way to $$$$ 😢 to buy
Top speed?
Range?
75 mils range $14000 I will pass.
more like 7500 lol
Nice....
Awesome bike buuuut the price is just too much to overlook other alternatives
i’m wondering how this will work in europe with their licensing system. how do you classify a bike that doesn’t have CCs? horsepower maybe?
In Germany they changed from cc to Power in kilowatt. There is an additional license without being tested availble since 2020 on top of your car license which translates back to 125 cc to fill in this gap of e scooters.
CE-04 actually refers to BMWs prototype mobility series. C refers to prototype mobility, E refers to electric, and 04 because this is their 4th prototype mobility model.
no, C is their urban mobility range (scooters, likely soon e-bikes), and 04 refers to the bike's equivalence to a 400cc scooter. They have a CE02 in the works, which is more alike to a 200cc scooter in terms of performance.
We want to watch you ride it 😬
Three months in and the bike won't power up. I would not recommend the CE-04.
14 THOUSAND!! Are you taking the piss!! If it was half that it would be too much. There is absolutely no incentive whatsoever; as far as I can see, for moving to electric. I'll stick to my my nice petrol bike, thanks very much......
They should have gone with a hub motor and add more batteries where the motor is now. This is just an expensive kid toy other EV scooters are light years ahead of this.
Cool 😎
I would like to see a 50cc equivalent electric scooter that has 100 mile range and top speed of 40-45 mph.
honda navi is the best you will find..
@@Kimbrough87 Honda Navi is bigger than 50cc and needs to be registered, insured and you need a motorcycle license to operate it in my state. I already have the Honda Ruckus and it's been great for 6000+ miles. Because it's 49cc there's no registration, insurance or motorcycle license needed in my state. I changed the variator weights in the transmission so I can go almost 45 mph. I wouldn't mind an electric version like I mentioned in my comment because my solar panels on my roof produce excess electricity that I could use to power a scooter instead of selling it back to the power company and having to buy gas for my Honda Ruckus.
@@Prepare2Survive what state are you in may I ask?
@@Kimbrough87 Connecticut
The onyx rcr or the huck rebel best matches your description.
The range is a disappointment for I can live with 40 horses motor but the range not good there’s standup scooters with more range
Probably 15 grand when you finish all the hidden fees....just get a Bergman.... half the price and never get stranded or deal with BMW reliability......
Futuristic looking for sure. Totally not my cup of tea. Glad I'm going out & not coming in!!!!
I’d rather walk than ride that. I hope every bike comes with a ‘ I am stupid ‘ printed on the back t shirt.
Фантастика. Куплю.
Shame it don’t drive, that would be a cool feature.
Too rich for my blood
No phone integration for starting. This is worthless for beach goers
Are you okay?
Bad design. No storage to place things by your feet. Other scooters all have this
Cyber punk scooter
12k for a scooter lol way to go BMW
15k otd lol
What a oxymoron , Retro futuristic... lol