The last years have shown how successful converted freighters are and how high the demand for them is. With some 777-300ERs now sadly retired I could imagine that many will have a future life as a freighter!
I think the only competition this could have is an a350-9 or 10 freighter! The problem with airbus is that those would be new or almost new and thus the purchasing price would be waaay higher (not sure if the fuel save makes sense for less than 10 years or not).
This will be a massive success. The world is hungry for more air cargo capacity, and there is about to be a flood of cheap 777-300er aircraft available for conversion. I’m excited to watch the program grow and mature.
The 777 is the perfect aircraft to start replacing the aging MD-11 fleets @ both UPS and FedEx. FedEx has already started its process buying 777F direct from Boeing, curious if either company will show interest in this converter.
I work for FedEx and the 777 isn’t a suitable replacement for the MD-11. There isn’t an aircraft on the market that’s capable of replacing the MD-11 yet. 777 is too big for the parking slots the 767 and MD-11 fit in. At LAX we only have 1 gate capable of accommodating the 777 and ONT has 2 gates.
I'd like to see a video about what airlines do with the seats when they retrofit aircraft. What happens to the Business class seats that are no longer used?
They are normally just disposed of/recycled etc. Not much use for old seats. In a few cases they can be retained and reinstalled on the another plane in the airline's fleet, but that's not that common.
@@busslayer4790 I know here in Atlanta Delta has a surplus store where once a month they sell surplus stuff that they aren't using anymore. They sell seats, branded stuff that isn't being used, and one guy bought a lavatory that was removed from an old L1011. I've wanted to go for a long time but with Covid...I hope they start doing it again soon. I think it would be cool to have a mechanical "lie flat" seat in a media room.
@@scpatl4now Yeah great store. I went like 10 years ago now on a long layover and all kinds of cool stuff at the time. But only Av geeks and employees know about it. I'm not sure if still operational. I know someone that has an entire garage filled with old seats. His wife thinks he's crazy so that's where they have to go. LOL
@@scpatl4now The Delta first class serving pieces are popular, mostly bought people on diets, they're made by Phaltzgraph Pottery, and ideal for batch freezing meals, while observing portion control. They're durable!
When I was a kid my Dad worked for Canadian Pacific Airline (Repairs) and if he had to go to work on a Saturday I go with him and play in planes. The first "combi" I ever saw was a converted DC-3. I've always thought they were totally practical especially in remote areas.
The 777 family is a class act can’t wait to see then again the airplane has a very strong airframe to making it a freighter !! Boing makes a very stable airframe for this ,, quotes to boing and Long live the 777 ..
Thanks for this video. When this monster gonna fly for Kalitta a cargo operator, i spot this plane on Amsterdam Schiphol Airport sometimes. All spotters waiting, lets fly. Greet from Zandvoort the Netherlands.
Hie there. We stayed in Zandvoort from 1982 to 1984, at Hotel Kuer, when we were training at KLM Schipol Airport, as aircraft engineers. Loved the beach and watchin Fomula One racing from my hotel window!
A bigger plane than the 777-200, but a lower weight to transport, now we regularly fly with an empty cargo space, because we are at our maximum weight. A larger 777-300 is not necessary at all.
Not only will it be a big hit, BUT will greatly hurt the 778F and A350F programs. Every Carrier that operates the 77F and or 744BCF will be eying these cheap conversions up. Its simply going to come down to available used Aircraft on the market.
Yes, Boeing 777 is the best aircraft in passenger operations as well as in cargo operations. If this conversion get successful then Boeing will use this idea for higher capacity 777-300ER freighter since 777x has certification problems and delays. And the 777-300ERSF will give advantages in payload to replace aging 747-400F.
@@spongebubatz Yes my Friend 747 is popular in its segment, but a normal 777-300ER passenger aircraft can hold 50 Tones of cargo inside cargo section. So I mentioned like that looking at the capacity of that aircraft.
It’s indeed a great move. But sadly it will be a direct competition for the Boeing 747-400F in the cargo sector as it would be more fuel efficient than the 747-400F with somewhat close cargo carrying capacity.
Seems like a good idea. I guess the airlines will have to see how the savings over the 747 compares with the cost of the conversion. Should be interesting
Converting the 300ER could work, with quite a few reaching the end of their career as passenger planes. Acquiring them should be cheaper than a new 200F, while providing commonality and somewhat similar fuel burn. Moreover it would cater to the airlines who would like a 777X freighter but have to wait, or to airlines that don't want to opt for the up and coming A350F
I think it's a great idea and it'll keep aircraft in the skies instead of them being destroyed when an airline has made the decision to swap older models for new.
@@kb_100 What will happen is that IAI will end up doing these conversions on customer-supplied -200ERs they bought out of the desert (probably starting with Delta's). GECAS/GE wont even be involved with that.
How many retired 777-300ERs are sitting in bone yards right now? I know Delta retired their 777 fleet last year. Not sure of the mix of variants they flew though. Etihad and Air New Zealand are retiring their 777s this year as well. I think this program will make the resale value of these frames go up significantly
The number will increase in the next few years with the start of production of the 777X, where airlines will begin retiring their -300ER’s (a bulk of which will come from Emirates). But since there aren’t too many on the after market right now, they still have a decent resale cost as opposed to the 747-400.
Delta had no -300 models. I suspect that not having the -300's seat-mile cost advantages made it pretty easy for Delta to retire the -200s. The A350 burns 21% less fuel than Delta's 777-200ERs
I often wondered why Boeing did not propose 2 new generation Cargo versions of the 777 ,a -200F and a -300ERF from the onset especially with the end of B747 production line .
Do a video series on the technicalities of how logos and designs are planned and painted onto airplanes. For example, the biggest question I have in mind in this topic is how words and logos are aligned on the plane as the painting happens so that they don’t look all askewed.
I was wondering the same, all the videos is watched from Boeing Airbus, Dassault etc. shows painting are all done manually, sometime with complicated logos (cheat line etc.) Yet they all come up pretty good. Maybe we have to wait a youtuber doing a channel about his work as a painterfor these companies.
They have all different kinds of stickers and foils which are applied very accurately and often many layers which often only consist of let’s say a few dots are painted. Some logos are also somethings just stickers
I’m curious to see how they’ll resolve the weight issue and long fuselage. This will definitely kill the 747-400, I don’t know how it’ll play out I am skeptic.
Not necessarily, the 747 can carry heavier cargo with larger volumes. It’s also easier to load 747s with these large volume cargoes thanks to the nose door.
There is a very good reason UPS bought up the last few 747's coming off the line. They're better and cheaper to operate than, even this 777. The 747 freighters will probably outlast the 777 freighters.
I'm not sure if this will work the way they want it to. it might run out of load capacity before it runs out of space. probably why boeings new manufacture offering is the 200 version.
@@spongebubatz Yes, it will take a lot longer than 130 days if the engineering stress analysis for that big cargo door had not been. More like 2 years.
Obviously, they have worked out the numbers, and it makes economic sense. To re-use the 777-300ER will save a lot of these aircraft type from becoming just scrap metal, which is a good step to take in the aviation industry.
I was thinking the same thing, but after analyzing everything it’s simple. A 773F would have competed directly with the 748F. Makes sense to do it just the way they did. Discontinue the 748 THEN move forward with 778F or dare I say a 779F... A 77XF along with a 773SF are going to change the game.
@@spongebubatz if not done proper, the fuselage would banana peel from there and end up like that explosive decompression over Hawaii... which had one person died as result...
This will definately be a hit. I suspect the aquisition costs to be reasonable. Yet the massive jet is already proven in real world operation and has shown extreme reliability with superb efficiency & performance. With the 777-8 & -9 taking a little long to come through, the 777-300ERSF is an obvious and ideal replacement for B747-400F.
The last years have shown how successful converted freighters are and how high the demand for them is. With some 777-300ERs now sadly retired I could imagine that many will have a future life as a freighter!
I think the only competition this could have is an a350-9 or 10 freighter! The problem with airbus is that those would be new or almost new and thus the purchasing price would be waaay higher (not sure if the fuel save makes sense for less than 10 years or not).
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One of the few versatility shown on boeing airplanes, they usually tend to have a life after pax service
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This will be a massive success. The world is hungry for more air cargo capacity, and there is about to be a flood of cheap 777-300er aircraft available for conversion. I’m excited to watch the program grow and mature.
Makes sense. It’s better than scrapping older B777-300s.
I know this aircraft well, I used to work on it when it was registered as A6-EBB. Good to see it’s life extended as a freighter.
The 777 is the perfect aircraft to start replacing the aging MD-11 fleets @ both UPS and FedEx. FedEx has already started its process buying 777F direct from Boeing, curious if either company will show interest in this converter.
Ups is still buying “new” md11s…
I work for FedEx and the 777 isn’t a suitable replacement for the MD-11. There isn’t an aircraft on the market that’s capable of replacing the MD-11 yet. 777 is too big for the parking slots the 767 and MD-11 fit in. At LAX we only have 1 gate capable of accommodating the 777 and ONT has 2 gates.
You convinced me. I'm going to have all of my 777-300ER planes converted!
Nice! Can't wait for the 773F!
Good for Kalitta Air upgrading their fleet, I hope it comes to LAX
it will be replacing some of our old BCF 744,
@@ArmyofSeaturtles Oh ok, Did Connie get rid of those 747-100s and 200s? They would come to LAX alot in the mid 2000s
100's & 200's we're retired several years ago
I'd like to see a video about what airlines do with the seats when they retrofit aircraft. What happens to the Business class seats that are no longer used?
They are normally just disposed of/recycled etc. Not much use for old seats. In a few cases they can be retained and reinstalled on the another plane in the airline's fleet, but that's not that common.
I saw a couple retired business class seats available in an auction for a charity once. I recall there wasn't much bidding interest in them.
@@busslayer4790 I know here in Atlanta Delta has a surplus store where once a month they sell surplus stuff that they aren't using anymore. They sell seats, branded stuff that isn't being used, and one guy bought a lavatory that was removed from an old L1011. I've wanted to go for a long time but with Covid...I hope they start doing it again soon. I think it would be cool to have a mechanical "lie flat" seat in a media room.
@@scpatl4now Yeah great store. I went like 10 years ago now on a long layover and all kinds of cool stuff at the time. But only Av geeks and employees know about it. I'm not sure if still operational. I know someone that has an entire garage filled with old seats. His wife thinks he's crazy so that's where they have to go. LOL
@@scpatl4now The Delta first class serving pieces are popular, mostly bought people on diets, they're made by Phaltzgraph Pottery, and ideal for batch freezing meals, while observing portion control. They're durable!
Love Kalitta Air. Love they business strategy, their livery, their history
This may be the future fleet for Amazon Prime air too. Yet, its meant to handle more heavier and bigger cargo.
Not likely. The Prime fleet is centered about the considerably smaller 767F. They don't need the size and range of the 777_300ER
Undoubtedly a great way to use 777-300 ER s.
it worked on the 747-400.
3:42 Incredible numbers!
When I was a kid my Dad worked for Canadian Pacific Airline (Repairs) and if he had to go to work on a Saturday I go with him and play in planes. The first "combi" I ever saw was a converted DC-3. I've always thought they were totally practical especially in remote areas.
The 777 family is a class act can’t wait to see then again the airplane has a very strong airframe to making it a freighter !! Boing makes a very stable airframe for this ,, quotes to boing and Long live the 777 ..
A tremendous success 777-300ERSF
Can’t wait to watch all this looks amazing love your content!
Yes. Go for it. Freight will now be going in style. The appearance of the 777-300 is a grand sight. Like a stretch-limo with wings.
This will be knocked out the ball park , a truly win win
@Simple Flying... How does the 777-300ERSF stack up against the 747-400F?
I’m so looking forward to seeing this… but depending on who orders the 777F I doubt I’m gonna see much of it @ LHR🤕
@PhD63 I’m flying with Kalitta and anxiously awaiting her arrival!
Thanks for this video.
When this monster gonna fly for Kalitta a cargo operator, i spot this plane on Amsterdam Schiphol Airport sometimes.
All spotters waiting, lets fly.
Greet from Zandvoort the Netherlands.
Hie there. We stayed in Zandvoort from 1982 to 1984, at Hotel Kuer, when we were training at KLM Schipol Airport, as aircraft engineers. Loved the beach and watchin Fomula One racing from my hotel window!
Huge Hit. Saving 20% to 37% per ton over the 747-400F, 767F & 777-200F a HUGE REVENUE PRODUCER!
A bigger plane than the 777-200, but a lower weight to transport, now we regularly fly with an empty cargo space, because we are at our maximum weight. A larger 777-300 is not necessary at all.
This the real cargo plane,balance in strength and efficiency.
It will a great move in the Air Cargo
It's definitely great Idea. I believe many other cargo airlines follow this.
This new freighter will be highly successful. It has huge load capabilities and two engines. Much more fuel efficient than a 747-8F.
Not only will it be a big hit, BUT will greatly hurt the 778F and A350F programs. Every Carrier that operates the 77F and or 744BCF will be eying these cheap conversions up. Its simply going to come down to available used Aircraft on the market.
First of all, the a350 freighter will be based on the -1000 variant and not the -900
@@arnavsharma9882 news to me, thank you, amended
what's a better 777F? a 777-300ERSF
Capacity: 777-300ERSF
Range: 777F
Yes, Boeing 777 is the best aircraft in passenger operations as well as in cargo operations. If this conversion get successful then Boeing will use this idea for higher capacity 777-300ER freighter since 777x has certification problems and delays. And the 777-300ERSF will give advantages in payload to replace aging 747-400F.
The payload you mentioned is the only problem and is a reason why the 747 will still be popular
@@spongebubatz Yes my Friend 747 is popular in its segment, but a normal 777-300ER passenger aircraft can hold 50 Tones of cargo inside cargo section. So I mentioned like that looking at the capacity of that aircraft.
It will be a success mainly as a package freighter considering the volume, tonnage wise I would expect less succesful.
It’s indeed a great move. But sadly it will be a direct competition for the Boeing 747-400F in the cargo sector as it would be more fuel efficient than the 747-400F with somewhat close cargo carrying capacity.
With the clogged ports and ships waiting to dock then it will be success
Awesome👌 idea💡! Loved to see a ✈️777-300 ✉️freighter📦
Yes it will. Thanks
Seems like a good idea. I guess the airlines will have to see how the savings over the 747 compares with the cost of the conversion. Should be interesting
You said AIA instead of IAI at 0:40 of this video check again. Nothing important but stll i got a chuckle out of it. Good day mate
Boeing never should’ve stopped making the 777-300ER. Should’ve started making 777-300F
Do you know how much does the conversion cost ?
And what are used prices of well maintained old 777 300s ?
A very relevant question from Unicorn Life. How much does a used 777-300 cost as it's a number crunching exercise at the end of the day?
Around $35 million
Glad to see that Israel and the UAE will collaborate on the aviation field too
This is going to be way cool to see
Kindly provide me on the technical specification in details ..i observe small changes to be incorporated ...
Converting the 300ER could work, with quite a few reaching the end of their career as passenger planes. Acquiring them should be cheaper than a new 200F, while providing commonality and somewhat similar fuel burn. Moreover it would cater to the airlines who would like a 777X freighter but have to wait, or to airlines that don't want to opt for the up and coming A350F
even more space than 777F
I think it's a great idea and it'll keep aircraft in the skies instead of them being destroyed when an airline has made the decision to swap older models for new.
This is why Airbus is looking at possible launch of the A350F to compete with the B777-300ersf.
Boeing 777 cargo is my favorite plane
Love it
its coming in service with mammoth now
Will be the next B47 Cargo replacement!
New freighter 777-300ERSF!!!
idk, the 777F can already carry a lot more weight. i think cargo airlines will still chose the 777F rather than the 300ersf for the volume
Depending on the type of cargo. Sometimes it's better to have more volume
This will be much cheaper than buying a new 777F
@@kb_100 What will happen is that IAI will end up doing these conversions on customer-supplied -200ERs they bought out of the desert (probably starting with Delta's). GECAS/GE wont even be involved with that.
It’s 2023 now and the aircraft still appears to be inactive and is not in kallita air livery
Great!
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so many 777-300 ER will change to 777-ERSF , and use more years
How many retired 777-300ERs are sitting in bone yards right now? I know Delta retired their 777 fleet last year. Not sure of the mix of variants they flew though.
Etihad and Air New Zealand are retiring their 777s this year as well. I think this program will make the resale value of these frames go up significantly
The number will increase in the next few years with the start of production of the 777X, where airlines will begin retiring their -300ER’s (a bulk of which will come from Emirates). But since there aren’t too many on the after market right now, they still have a decent resale cost as opposed to the 747-400.
Delta had no -300 models. I suspect that not having the -300's seat-mile cost advantages made it pretty easy for Delta to retire the -200s. The A350 burns 21% less fuel than Delta's 777-200ERs
Considering how water freight seems to be breaking down, this may provide a demand spike for air freight.
YES , it will be best for cargo .
I often wondered why Boeing did not propose 2 new generation Cargo versions of the 777 ,a -200F and a -300ERF from the onset especially with the end of B747 production line .
Emirates should convert their passenger 777s once their top old for passenger use
I’ll be flying it at Kalitta. Hope we didn’t go with the high density seating option…
What does the SF stand for I know the ER is “extended range”
SF stands for special freighter
@@muhammaddylanalghifari9764 ah makes sense thx
@@muhammaddylanalghifari9764 oh, I thought it was " super freighter " since the 777 is quite a large aircraft.
@@trevoromondi1663 Thist kind of applies to the Airbus Beluga. It is called Airbus A300-600 ST, meaning Super Transporter.
i would be highly surprised if Atlas does not buy any of these and starts to replace some of the old 747-400s it has in its fleet.
Yes I do.
Do a video series on the technicalities of how logos and designs are planned and painted onto airplanes. For example, the biggest question I have in mind in this topic is how words and logos are aligned on the plane as the painting happens so that they don’t look all askewed.
I was wondering the same, all the videos is watched from Boeing Airbus, Dassault etc. shows painting are all done manually, sometime with complicated logos (cheat line etc.) Yet they all come up pretty good. Maybe we have to wait a youtuber doing a channel about his work as a painterfor these companies.
They have all different kinds of stickers and foils which are applied very accurately and often many layers which often only consist of let’s say a few dots are painted. Some logos are also somethings just stickers
I'd say KLM will be one converting their planes, as they have some 747's left, which will likely retire soon
It’ll be a great success!
Nice video
In my opinion I think this sounds like an awesome and cool 😎 idea 💡. I think it will be a huge success in the future. 😁👍
We can expect B787-9SF and B777-8F by late 2020s
if boeing makes the 777-8F then the whole market will be very interesting....
I’m curious to see how they’ll resolve the weight issue and long fuselage. This will definitely kill the 747-400, I don’t know how it’ll play out I am skeptic.
Yep 777-300ERs have very good cargo abilities. However this is another nail in the 747 coffin.
Not necessarily, the 747 can carry heavier cargo with larger volumes. It’s also easier to load 747s with these large volume cargoes thanks to the nose door.
i’m waiting on a 777-200LRSF
The 777F is already based off the 777-200LR
There is a very good reason UPS bought up the last few 747's coming off the line. They're better and cheaper to operate than, even this 777. The 747 freighters will probably outlast the 777 freighters.
This program is going to put a big hurt on the A350F.
By the way, Kalitta is pronounced "Kuh Litta", not "Kuh Leeta".
Great video!
will definetly replace B747-400F
I'm not sure if this will work the way they want it to. it might run out of load capacity before it runs out of space. probably why boeings new manufacture offering is the 200 version.
Some say CMA CGM has some 20 like these on order
Will a Boeing 777-200LR SF as capable as the 777-F?
It should be very comparable, after all, the 777F is a 777LR
oh
Why not a 777-300 combi like the 747 combi? 2 less engines but just as much capacity.
"The conversion process will take approximately 130 days,…" On what planet?
Keep in mind that it’s the first one and a lot as to be worked out
@@spongebubatz Yes, it will take a lot longer than 130 days if the engineering stress analysis for that big cargo door had not been. More like 2 years.
It isn't pronounced "Kaleetta". It is a short "I" not long "E".
I am lucky enough to have both 777 and 747-400 type rating. Sadly 747 is going away. 777 is just too efficient.
To fill a gap yes. Keep your eye on the Russia/Chinese entry into long haul cargo market.
This brand new 777-300ERSF will take the 747-8F's place now that the 747 will end production in 2022.
Obviously, they have worked out the numbers, and it makes economic sense. To re-use the 777-300ER will save a lot of these aircraft type from becoming just scrap metal, which is a good step to take in the aviation industry.
Boeing should have designed a 777-300F from the get go.
I was thinking the same thing, but after analyzing everything it’s simple. A 773F would have competed directly with the 748F. Makes sense to do it just the way they did. Discontinue the 748 THEN move forward with 778F or dare I say a 779F... A 77XF along with a 773SF are going to change the game.
Yes I work on cargo at the airport Tha been good
Boeing company Must see this Actual Video documentary.
smart
lol no one noticed him say AIA instead of IAI at 0:40
It would be interesting to see how they remove the windows in the conversion process.
They simply replace them with aluminum plates, it isn’t too complicated
@@spongebubatz if not done proper, the fuselage would banana peel from there and end up like that explosive decompression over Hawaii... which had one person died as result...
Check out a aircraft conversion documentary on RUclips. There are a few that I have come across over the years.
Remove windows, install blanking plates. Job done.
B777-300 Extended Range Special Function
this could kill some a350-100F customers to stay with boeing.
I wonder What's the cost of converting a 777 passenger to 777F?
This will definately be a hit. I suspect the aquisition costs to be reasonable. Yet the massive jet is already proven in real world operation and has shown extreme reliability with superb efficiency & performance. With the 777-8 & -9 taking a little long to come through, the 777-300ERSF is an obvious and ideal replacement for B747-400F.
Good Bye 747F and hello 773F...A New Era has started, as expected.
Why were no 777-300F made?