I Miss The Forsaken Era...
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- Опубликовано: 10 июн 2023
- Destiny 2 Forsaken was the best year in Destiny 2 history. In fact, I believe it was the only time Destiny 2 was actually good. Crucible PvP was definitely at it's peak during the Forsaken year as well which plays a factor in why D2 was in a great place, alongside the influx of consistent content. Destiny 2 State of The Game thoughts included...
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“A soulless hampster-wheel imitating creativity”
Quote of the F***ing year.
I miss when destiny pvp was an fps game and not what bs ability/build you find and abuse. Over the years, the already fairly small skill expression has diminished so much in order to protect the little timmy's in control that they've made it so boring.
Foresaken was definitely peak destiny, season of opulence in particular. I remember doing all I wanted to do and then just kept on playing because it was just so damn fun. Would run zero hour countless times to help friends and random people get their outbreaks, ran so much menagerie that I could run it with my eyes closed and the community as a whole was so much healthier.
I'm hanging on by a thread at the moment and it if it wasn't for recently discovering a fantastic clan, I'd have dropped destiny completely
Dude i feel the same thing. The whole Forsaken year was so amazing, with Zero Hour and Menagerie for example. Might be the best time Destiny ever had.
there were so many things to do in forsaken and even during the seasons. They will never beat that.
Forsaken launch was exciting but TTK always gonna be prime destiny
@@slackstarfish8133 I couldn’t agree more
@@slackstarfish8133 how would it be prime destiny, because the only time I hear you people say this are because you still can’t move on from your nostalgic ridden past, and rarely if not ever have people like you actually prove a point of TTK being better than the entirety of Destiny franchise combined. I swear you people over exaggerate the s𝚑Ꭵt out of that expansion because that was when the time where your younger exciting self played. It’s like the Pokemon fanbase all over again, where people will pick which release is the best out of the entire franchise based off the one that they were introduced in or the one that stuck with them the most during their childhood, in another word, nostalgia.
@@SordidusFellatioif you didn’t know and weren’t their then don’t put your opinion
Your critique content is some of the best, the game is a shell of its former self (D1) and bungie has had SO much money out of the community now. PVP is such a mess. I have 3xx hours in D2 compared to 3xxxx in D1
I feel you man, but why don't you make a channel where you play other games and do content on there. I really enjoy watching your destiny 1 nightfall videos and other d1 videos on your channel, because I never got to experience the game myself. Honestly, sometimes I want to buy a ps5 just so I could play d1 because of you, thanks man love your channel!
Definitely considered doing a second channel. It’s just a matter of finding the time haha
@@NovemberHotelmake it DecemberHotel
@@rainygamedays5873NovemberMotel
Dudeeeeee same
As much as I LOVED taken king. I enjoyed forsaken more
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“A soulless hamster wheel imitating creativity”
That’s perfect for Destiny 2 & cod 👍
I get where you are coming from for sure. I can say I am a Destiny 1 day one player and have continued to play the game for almost 9 years now. I have taken breaks for sure but I do think this series is one of the best series in video game history and it is fun. I enjoy the balance between pve to PvP. I played apex heavily hit Diamond multiple times and trust until you play a BR like that, that is a never ending hamster wheel. I do think bungie is a good team and always has been since halo. But sure they do a lot for money and I am personally scared for marathon as I feel they will try to push Destiny off. Respect your take though. I hope destiny continues to grow and I am excited to see how the Witness story line continues
I started D1 when my friend introduced it to me on their Xbox one summer afternoon, I fell in love, and even my brother had been begun playing. Though as I was younger I never had the cash or know-how to do cool things. Eventually when I got a proper console, my first pick of game was the destiny collection. Then I got D2 as that came around. I got friends to play, and eventually got enough confidence to start raiding. As a casual gamer, the yearly expansions are usually enjoyable, but with current model, by the time first season ends I am not playin the game past that. I pay attention to everything that’s happening, but I don’t buy into seasons hard. By your channel very recently I decided to go back to D1 and try Wrath with my raiding experience, and it was some of the most I ever had with Destiny.
Started in D1 beta, man things were so different back then everything felt new and mysterious, made a bunch of friends, we would always wake up right at reset which used to be at 6 am and do the raids and whatnot, what a time.
Hot Take: the reason why the DCV exist is that Bungie wants to get rid of everything Activition and then resell it as there own. There are more weapons/armors then there was at the end of Shadowkeep.
Makes sense, don't be surprised if they bring back the black armory gear and raid as a new season.😅
They’ve already said they’re never going to charge for anything that’s brought out of the vault, and they haven’t (VoG, King’s Fall, the reprised raid next season is also free, etc.). I hate their choices as much as the next guy, but let’s be realistic here.
Love you November bro! You are absolutely right, Destiny just isn't as fun as it could be. It's been 9 years yet the only thing we've really gotten out of it has been price increases for less content or enjoyment and a host of new bugs and glitches. I do enjoy your D1 content and love to watch it as D1 was definitely a different era of things that has been lost now.
Been around since the halo CE years. Then around more for D1 until now. Between the IPs just not being what they use to be and the company, its a bittersweet ending to an era watching it just become a carousel of what it once was.
@@nyoin2028what’d you think of the marathon trailer?
@Chris-iq5pr I have nothing against marathon, or bungie modernizing an IP to a modern standard. The trailer looked great but bungies a solid 5 star general when it comes to hyping a product and under delivering, so not really buying into anything about it until it can be hands on.
*Bungie:* We're cutting content from the game with the intention of reselling it back to you later on.
*Destiny fans:* What, that's utter bullshit you greedy bastards!
**Also Destiny fans**
*Destiny fans:* **Opens wallet** Fine...
I would 100% watch a let’s play series of other games
Regarding Destiny, it’s upsetting yet completely understandable why you currently see Destiny the way you do. It’s very admirable that, despite the fact that you’d probably have more success posting D2 content, you stick to what you would rather play.
Regarding your channel, I would gladly watch anything you post here, Destiny or not. I know a lot of people won’t feel the same, but just remember that I’ve always got your back dude.
Thank you bro I appreciate that.
I see it the same way. If I subsribe to a channel I'll do it because I like the person in the Videos not the game. The game I can play myself. So yeah feel free to upload whatever you want. I'd gladly watch it.
I play destiny because of how adept bungee is at making guns fun to shoot, I don’t know how they do it but when I’m signing on just to shoot a gun at a wall because of how satisfying it is, multiple times over the years then they’re doing something right.
Forsaken sandbox definitely wasn’t the most balanced but that’s probably why it was the best era, it was fun. Sometimes fun and balanced just don’t line up and let’s not pretend destiny pvp can ever be a real competitive title, so balancing towards that goal puts it further and further away from something this franchise does so well, having you shoot fun guns at each other while duelling.
Man that old lighting engine hits different tho, didn’t realize how nostalgic lighting could be lol
Hot take: destiny 2 should have ended with forsaken
It really should have and bungie should have been spending the time since trying to develop a destiny 3 that wouldn't be so limited in its scope. The fact that we still get the same exact type of content every expansion since d1 is just so underwhelming, there's such little evolution in the type of content we get. Every planet is the nearly the same, every 3-6player matchmade activity is the same.
That’s like saying Fast and furious should have ended at 2
Respectfully, I disagree. Forsaken was the PERFECT opportunity for bungie to continue to build, expand and improve the game. But as they usually do, they took one step forward and five steps back. And now we are where we are. Which is an unrecognizable game to this Y1 D1 player :/
Mmm.. I just wished they didn't sunset everything..they had no reason to do that.
They take away our planets, then make us pay for them and their content.
i began in forsaken i did almost all that was there to do in this game, right now we just got a fragment of game, guys any new guy will never have that feeling we got when we finish our, outbreak perfected, worldline zero quest. whisper of the worm, etc... it was tedious but holy cow the sense of acompishment was real.
Man I remember that Saturday morning in 2020 when a random guy in my clan helped me with worldline quest
That feeling after getting it was surreal
Destiny 2 should have ended with season of Arrivlas
Im there since Red War, i leave when Curse of Osiris was live and i come back in season whorthy in free to play i discover free campaign of Mars and Curse of Osiris i hesitate to buy Beyond Light but when i knew that all i love will be vault, i leave again juste play chosen, then i come back during Witch Queen and i enjoy all Witch Queen year, but now with Lightfall i know that after Final Shape i will be done with Bungie.
Forsaken was an amazing time in Destiny mainly due to activision making sure Bungo didnt give us a halfbaked expansion but notice how the quality of expansions has not been up to par after the split
Even though they said the split should be the best thing ever. Yah, right. Part of me thinks Activision would have made them produce up to snuff content. Instead it feels like all they've done is fuck around and charge higher prices. And now we know what's up. Marathon. There's your pvp presence. PVP mains should be rioting.
Actually Forsaken was a big middle finger to Activision. If Activision had its way, Forsaken would've been another casual experience trying to make as much money as possible, but everyone would've finally dropped the game for. Activision hated the fact Forsaken didn't "perform" well enough in terms of revenue and that was what caused the split. Do not get it wrong; Activision was one of the main reasons D2 launched in such a poor, casual friendly state it did.
@@SushiJuice vicarious visions developed most of Forsaken which was given to Bungie to help with development from Activision they also developed Menageraie
@@jasonvelez225 ok? My point still stands
Destiny has really been put on the back burner for me. I’m a Destiny vet who has played since day 1 Destiny 1. With Season of the Deep, my redownloading of Siege, and Diablo 4’s release, I’ve really dropped off. Doubt I hit 50 on season pass. Hope they can come up with something to pull me back in soon.
I think you should definitely make videos on games you love to play. I know I’d still watch them and I’m sure I’m not alone in that. I came for Destiny content but I’m here for the long haul now. 😉
When Destiny 1 music hit in this video, it made me smile 😊.
It's also worth mentioning that a lot of the ''active players'' like myself just tune in for the weekly story and then they're out cause there is literally nothing to do.
Man I also really feel this. Although I am still a relatively active player, there are still so many glaring issues with the absolute fundamentals of the game that make it feel so much more shallow and small of a game than it deserves to be. I would love a Destiny 3 just for the sake that it would be a blank slate, with the learnings and QoL changes they have been making over the past few years forming the foundation of the game and allow them to build the game with a true vision, not one that has been adjusted and tinkered with year over year.
i fear that if D3 ever comes out it will be like with overwatch 2 where the only real thing they added to the game was a new monnetisation system
I’m perpetually shocked that their’ve been no new crucible maps, and that the faction vendors disappeared into thin air never to return.
For me Forsaken was the last era of Destiny 2 I was genuinely excited for exotic drops. I remember getting shards of galanor and I was pumped. It made the super really good and my friends jellaous. Loot felt new and and fulfilling to aquire. Just everything felt perfect, but now I don't/can't play because it's just so darn expensive with all the dlc and seasons I've missed. I also know I'll get bored of the bland weekly seasonal missions and the progression doesn't satisfy me quite the same anymore. I'm really bummed that I can't play the game I loved so much anymore. Now it's just somebody I used to know
I started in Rise of Iron and while I love the game we had the, I think D2 is in a good place now. What this seems like is burnout. I experienced the same and quit since Forsaken and came back S19 and enjoy the game again
i love your destiny 1 content its what made me subscribe but i would still really enjoy watching you play new vegas in particualr as well
I've been playing since the D1 Beta, I fell in love with this game/universe. I miss the TTK or Forsaken times. It just feels like it's all about the money now...
Y'know something's up when I think back to Forsaken's pvp era and the only properly broken things i can roll off the top of my head are One-Eyed Mask, Gwisin Vest bug and Dust Rock Blues...
Comparing Destiny 2 to a waiting room and being there waiting for good content is exactly how I feel the game has been for a while now. If you still are active on the game, you log on every Tuesday to see where the story is going, and then log off, and wait till next Tuesday. At least that's what I do. It's gotten to the point where I've forgotten about D2 entirely because I've been having so much fun with better games like Tears of the Kingdom (which feels like it was crafted by gods compared to D2). I'm saying this even as someone who's been playing since D1 and it's really disappointing. I just wanna know what happens in The Final Shape but I think I'm done after that
Yeah, basically that's what Bungie relies on. It's not a great game you can't wait to play. It's the habitual behavior they've programmed in. That's why Xur comes every week with different stuff, the seasonal story comes at a trickle and why ADA with different mods every day. It's all to reinforce the habit-forming behavior. At some point you realize that you're not logging on to have fun, it's only because of the carefully crafted habit they've programmed in.
I miss the good old handcannon sniper combo with aggresive sniping. Just not as efficient now.
I started playing Destiny 2 the first time in went Free-to-Play for a week around Forsaken. I played the Red War campaign and after finishing it, I bought Forsaken and the other 2 DLC (CoO and WM -> meh) and every Season and DLC after Forsaken until the season before Beyond Light. After the Forsaken year, D2 went downhill and with BL and Sunsetting, I realized that D2 will never be as good as it was at Forsaken. At that point, I had 3,000+ hours of playtime and while I didn't want it all go to waste, I also didn't want to waste more time on it. So, I started to play less and less and finally quit D2 around the release of Witch Queen (when the monetization got out of hand -> 25€ for the anniversary pack and so on). I still like to look into the state of D2 every now and then (I guess I invested too much time to fully let go), but I don't want to play it ever again. I am just too burnt out.
Btw, November, I would watch your Fallout New Vegas videos.
I may make some then 👀
Man, even though I don't particularly agree with some of your view points in your videos and have been loving the solo nightfall runs in D1, I'd totally be up for you to expand your content into other games.
I've been super on the fence about quitting d2 after 5k+ hours. Had so much fun and kinda held myself here because I thought it was the same game. It's not the same game anymore, and I think I'll just do the next reprised day 1 raid, then be done.
Damn. Great videos, man. Just now seeing your channel and thought it'd be whiny garbage like that one youtuber (you know, the red one) but I'm surprised. Definitely excited to see more of your stuff.
I joined a year ago but actively kept an ear out on destiny content since it first released, my biggest gripe about destiny 2 is that the content is finite. If I wanted to play destiny I can have everything in that game from launch to rise of iron. In destiny 2 there’s so much content that is just permanently gone that I’ll never be able to experience myself. What’s worse is that it’s in the back of my mind when I play current content. I got to play the haunted leviathan but that’s gone, I got to watch Crow kill Caital’s bestie but that’s gone now, even now I have a hard time enjoying Titan activities because Titan is a seasonal activity and next expansion it’ll be gone too. The last thing I did in witch queen was play the haunted leviathan one last time, how many did that for the menagerie, for the red war, for Io, Mercury, the tangled shore, for actual Titan? Sunsetting and the content vault is single handedly the most egregious and worst thing about destiny 2 and I’ll stand by that statement.
It really became just about making money. The Forsaken season pass included exotic missions, raids, amazing weapons and armor, and actually good seasonal activities for $10 each. Now the price is $20 and we get an awful battle pass, a bland seasonal activity with mediocre rewards, and something Bungie tries to pass as a story. On top of charging for Dungeons, the 30th Anniversary pack, and Eververse.
I'm not a D1 vanilla player in fact I didn't start till everything had been released and it was only because my friends pushed me to try only because I dumped countless hours into Halo for the longest time. At first I didn't really like it all that much but as time went on I came around and enjoyed my time in D1. Now D2 I'm a day 1 vanilla player and I've been through all the junk this games gone through except I took a break before the release of shadow keep and returned like 2 months later. I loved the Forsaken time frame of this game just so much going on stuff to do everyday of the week and always found odd ways to oof myself cause it was hilarious. Now that love and fun has kinda just faded away leaving with this empty feeling that honestly sucks. This current season is just bleh in my opinion and 3 or so weeks in I wanna just hang it up and take a break play some other games I put on the back burners. I'm not gonna miss out on anything cause let's be really it's the same stuff from prior seasons just reskinned and renamed so I'm not gonna miss out on anything "new" or "exciting". Hopefully though something gives cause I'm burnt out at this rate so a well needed break is pretty much warranted right now.
Been playing since the D1 beta and and after 9 years I'm completely burnt out of the game. I beat the lightfall campaign and just stopped playing after that. The game lost it's soul years ago and regardless of the 1000s of hours of time I put into this game I just can't bring myself to play it anymore. Feel bad for newer players 2020-now that never experienced what the game was and should be.
Funny thing is that I played from D1 up until right before Shadowkeep started, the game just felt like a chore checklist and wasn't fun anymore, I felt like that for awhile but it got to a point where I couldn't take it anymore, I like to watch videos about Destiny here and there still just to see what's goin on with the game and community cuz it was a big part of my life for 4 to 5yrs, I'm glad I left when I did
I was there in forsaken i miss the tangled shore and campaign
There ya go Mr November!!!! It was sssooooo fun doing escalation protocol. I quit playing sometime later.
I love the candid real talk in this video! Especially calling out the fact that people wouldn’t play these games as much as they do without twitch/RUclips.
Yeah I havent been playig destiny 2 near as much as I used to. I doubt I will ever quit playing the game because ive been playing it since D1 alpha with my dad when I was 7 and now im 16 😭. This game has gave me to many amazing memories, experiences, and friends though I am worried for where it may end up soon.
I wish I played during this era
Damn I totally forgot about the dreaming city crucible map
I started in curse of osiris. Play until now even went to D1 and played everything I was able to. Even nowadays I still hope it will return to a peak as near as back then. And with bringing all the old stuff back we may be in a bad state right now. But maybe after the light and dark saga we may have a chance to stand great again. Is it a long time of waiting? Yes. Is it unnecessary? Yes. But I'll wait even though I hate Destiny 2... I just love it to much to leave it begind. I have a lot of bad memories. But with the right friends and the right activities the positive memories still outnumber them. Remember without Darkness, light can not exist. Eyes up guardians. I'll see you on the battlefield.
Dude I LOVED that pvp map at 40 seconds!!!!
At 6.04 is two main reason why I stopped playing d2 is one gambit and two when ever I played it I had to focus the invader because my team mate don't really do it
Seeing that menagerie hand cannon gave me ptsd of farming for hours for it lmao
Honestly, I just feel burnt out with playing a lot of these games you play for a couple months all of your gear and everything you worked hard for it gets reset then you have to restart the grind all over again if it happens, it’s not so bad but I just couldn’t take it anymore so I stopped playing.
Eventually, just feeling like a chore like it was something I was forced to do just so I could do something that I would be able to enjoy later.
I joined right at the end of Shadowkeep. I got there when the expansions before Beyond Light were free to play for a bit. So, even though I never played Destiny 2 before that era, I still miss it. I miss Red War and fighting Ghaul. I miss Warmind, I miss Forsaken, I want to avenge Cayde again. And even though it was one fo the most hated expansions, I'm very disappointed that I never got to finish Corse of Osiris, the boss fight at the end was just too hard for my fledgling Warlock brain. I miss having fun with this game. The first time I have had genuine fun with gaming was playing Payday 2 for the first time and reinstalling Fortnite (I know, cringe).
Another note, I started playing Destiny 1 in 2021 and got The Collection in 2022. I missed so much from the launch of this wonderful game. I wish I could go back to see what it was like. I want to go back. I want to experience it, but I was late to the party. I wish i could have just 1 day to experience this game in its prime. I want it. I want it, just 1 day. But I can't. Time goes on. Besides Gambit and the possibility of Final Shape being half-decent. I think I've given up on Destiny 2. It is so sad to see a game I once wanted to do nothing but enjoy fall into such ruin. I loved this game, I still do, but it has jsut prolonged its stay just a but much. It's jsut not fun for me anymore. If you need me, I'll be on Fortnite, just glad I was able to see that game in it's amazing beginning.
Damn I came back to destiny from d2 vanilla when it went f2p in shadowkeep. I dropped it after a couple of months. If I’d had known that year was the best year for f2p due to most f2p content getting removed in beyond light I would’ve played it non stop. Played a lot of f2p last year and whilst there was an enjoyable grind for certain weapons to do the f2p raids, it feels like there’s something missing. Shadowkeep f2p never had that due to all the content available
The entire year in general was great because destiny was a lot more simplistic while still containing a lot of content. The leviathan was mysterious but amazing. The seasons were cool as hell especially opulence. The menagerie and black armory were great. I think a lot of the mystery value in destiny has been lost in some aspects and instead are now confusing and overwhelming. If it was possible I wish someone would release a version of the game that was stuck in that year if that was possible😂. The game feels different now and I personally still enjoy it but something about the old times will never be topped. I wish I played more of it because I think during forsaken I was on and off and I’ve played destiny since d1 and even in d2 I logged in at the time 300 hours at least. It’s a shame in a sense because I feel like new players will never experience that ever.
I first got into Destiny during Taken King. I loved the game and dumped hours into it. I played it pretty consistently through Foresaken. Once they came out with the Seasonal model I stopped playing. I would hop back on Destiny 1 every once and awhile. I recently got a PS5 and left my Destiny playing days behind me 😕
the waiting room analogy hit hard. I think the sad thing about D2 now is that Bungie have already mostly moved onto new games. They will likely invest in a quality drop for final shape, but the future of this type of game and future live service games is likely to be bouts of tedium and beta stages, interspersed with a few quality drops to keep hope alive.
i actually decided the other day to delete two of my characters, simply to reduce the time i commit to playing and working up each class, most of which, despite new exotics and subclasses, feel very stale and use fairly static builds for high end content despite reworked exotics, it still feels very much the same excepting for eg strand titan.
When I first played destiny 1 I loved it because of going around and exploring. Even though there was no content I enjoyed just being in the world and that was enough for me. As for D2 there isn’t much exploration outside of OoB stuff and know my focus has shifted to being a solo/ solo flawless PvE content player. PvP is being shafted in trials and QP and funny enough where I use to hate Comp is now my favorite mode. All in all for me my time in D2 is spent practicing solo PvE content and playing comp and not interacting with new raids.
About RUclipsrs, Aztecross tried to post videos of other games recently and they all flopped and he had to go back to making videos of D2 which is what gives views. RUclips's algorithm forces you to keep making the same content and if you change, it fucks you up, some lucky ones manage to change the content and find success, but there are few.
Yeah I’d love nothing more than to find success outside my niche but you’re 100% correct about being RUclips locking your channel into specific content based on what the algorithm has dictated for you.
I’ll probably try to get out of it at some point.
Remember when mtashed switched the second he found success with genshin? Lol everyone wants out of this franchise
I've always advocated the fact that d1 is a much more fun game to play than d2. Even tho d2 has more content, playing the game feels like a job. At the end of the day, games are made to have fun. Even with d1 not having anything new to do, I enjoy playing it far more than d2.
100% d2 is more dreadful than my 9-5 🤣
It hurts my soul. Every single Season or expansion starting from shadowkeep.
I just want this game to succeed this one more time...
Damn... what have they done to this game...
That's how I feel. I bought the expansion every year since D1, and even if I didn't play much of the seasonal content (I hate this fomo format), I still liked the campaign a bit (especially Forsaken and Witch Queen). But Lightfall felt hollow for me. I'm a lore guy and I felt bad when I saw they wouldn't explain what the Veil is. I don't like strand (It's not bad, it's just I've always mained Voidwalker warlock) so Lightfall had nothing to offer me beyond good gun play (even then, we have a lot of reskins every year). That's why I had a refund for it on my Xbox and I've stopped playing Destiny. I still follow for the lore and I bought the last Grimoire anthology but that's it. I'm done paying for content that'll be gone in less than a year.
Bungies philosophy towards new destiny content is to drip-feed small amounts of new content packaged within reissued old content that have minor changes. While putting heavy emphasis on microtransactions and anti-user buissness tactics.
Aka increasing the cost of the delux edition yearly bundle. Or timesaving solutions (that cost real money) to problems they intentionally create. Aka the season pass buy one rank up system Or the skip the campaign feature.
I just hate that they reuse so much of the d1 content, all of the mystery is gone… if they wanna reuse d1 content just port the whole game to next gen and pc, now they use it as a crutch and it feels uninspired.
@@SpicyCheeseSpread making new content costs more money than reissuing old content.
Anything that can be done cheaper will be done cheaper as bungie doesn't want some money, they want all the money.
Especially when the destiny 2 community allows these practices to happen when they insta buy everything destiny puts up for sale 😂
See I hate when people tell me to take a break from the game or else I get burned out but with Destiny 1 I never felt like I needed to or ever wanted to take a break. I wanted to nolife that game 24/7. Why would I want to play a game that I need to take breaks from? The whole purpose of a good game is to constantly keep me playing. Also I will never understand how Bungie made ability cool downs significantly longer in order to curb ability spam yet there is more now than ever before
Tatara Gaze, Parcel of Stardust, Breakneck, Dust Rock, Nation, Ikelos Shotgun. The best of the best.
Best era of Destiny. Last wish when it 1st came out before rocket cheese was so good. Black armoury was amazing!, auto loading mountain tops, 50% debuff with tractor, recluse meta, menagerie, Crown of Sorrows 😭
I loved Forsaken immensely. Joker's Wild wasn't too interesting to me but Opulence was glorious
I was thinking about this the other day; how Destiny 1, even to this day, still holds mystery and intrigue. The way the stories are told and the satisfying grind compared to the seemingly cheap knockoff we have today in D2. The DNA of vanilla D2 is still here; A casual experience trying to pawn itself as something more serious like its predecessor. D2's art style, as you've pointed out, is a downgrade. The content, Bungie's whole approach is completely different and, while I started and quit in D1 and only recently came back in season 17, I'm finding this to be more true as time goes by sadly.
Its so weird that they removed so many good maps but never added any new ones in equal measure. When we wanted crucible support i would have been fine with just getting new maps but we cant get even that
Forsaken is where I first started my gaurdian's journey...and..uh I quit lol
I’d love a New Vegas playthrough, your commentary is top tier
Forsaken was the most fun, stable, narratively immaculate, and powerful feeling _all at once_
I just miss Forsaken; that DLC drop was the one that made it feel like Destiny 2 was back to where Destiny was in terms of content and quality. The game only went downhill after that. Crucible-wise, the only thing I miss is the house of wolves era. It was obviously a complete clusterfuck, and half of everything in the game was completely broken, but that made it fun.
I just got off Destiny 2 last night after playing Destiny 1 again, and I was in Crucible just enduring the bullsh*t builds and Sweet Business Actium crap while actively thinking of how far the game has fell. I am one of the people whose been around since the early days of Destiny 1, and I really want to believe the game will get better, but a part of me knows it won’t be like before, if anything changes. Which sucks because Destiny 1 is waaayy more fun than 2, but it’s not what everyone is playing right now.
Sounds like a skill issue.
Well, I never said I lost to them. I just had to switch up my playstyle. I have a 3.86 K/D, if that displays anything regarding skill.
And I don’t use the meta builds, either, I use Vex.
Couldnt you do both? The occasional Destiny Vid and Lets Plays mixed in?
Beyond Light was Bungie's last chance, because Shadowkeep alone was not as good as Forsaken and another year of content below the Forsaken standard was not appealing to me. Beyond Light was good... but coupled with the Seasonal Model, Transmog, and the DCV, along with countless sunsetting and unsunsetting of weapons and gear that came during that year, It had run it's course.
Season of the Hunt was barely a season, but Harbinger was a cool mission. Chosen was not fun for me: I liked the story/theme, but battlegrounds to me are like being at a rock concert - I can only take so much of them before I need to decompress. Presage was cool but I don't want to run it weekly. Splicer is one of my favorite seasons because I loved the story and seasonal activity. Splicer is the only Title I ever got in D2. I loved expunge missions and I loved soloing them to get that title.
The moment I broke was sometime in Season of the Lost. The 30th anniversary pack, which was the reason witch queen was delayed, was basically Bungie jerking off in front of us (pardon the imagery) and asking us to pay for it. Not only was it thematically completely offbeat from the actual story of D2, it was just another activity to pay for to grind with no narrative and boring loot (no I'm not going to pay $20 for a Gjallarhorn, when I can just play D1 and use it). Then Lost's ritual weapons didn't even have quests to them: you had to reset your rank once for the rocket launcher and once for the skin for each playlist. 6 resets in a 6-month season is lazy and boring. The story was a giant time-water that you didn't care about because you already knew Xavathun was the main antagonist of Witch Queen. And then.... the icing on the loser cake... the last mission launched in the last week only, and it was bugged for the first two days.
That right there in Season of the Lost is Bungie's Destiny 2 in a nutshell. Lazy, lackluster, recycled/reused, no story, way more grind than anyone except a streamer wants, and as monetized as ever. Somewhere in November 2021 to February 2022, the realty of Destiny 2 hit me. It's a fun game, but Bungie finally succeeded in making it into a bad game in that time period (if not sooner).
I never played Destiny 2 after Season of the Lost ended. I heard the Witch Queen campaign is good, but I'm already done giving Bungie money. My money is going somewhere else, to other game developers that care about making a quality product. Bungie clearly does not care about making a quality product anymore, and hasn't since Forsaken.
8:45 me who plays Genshin Impact and Honkai Star Rail, yep I know what it's like to do boring content every day on repeat. I'm also a player who's been around since D1, came in at end of vanilla D2 into Forsaken then quit awhile in. I come back off and on, and honestly I am active again and having a lot of fun. Maybe because I haven't really played much with the current seasonal model, and haven't been grinding day in day out to feel the drag as much as other people. Heck, a buddy and me who basically met on Destiny 2 have been playing around the same pace, so he's back in with me. We just did Vault of Glass opening and Confluxes as a duo.
I like the idea of personal challenges and things like flawless solo dungeons appeal to me also. The problem is the stupid paywall, and I only have like two dungeons open currently. The other issue is pvp has been ruined when the game went to steam and f2p, too many closet cheaters, cronus users, wallers and whatever else. So it's robbed me wanting to commit more to the game, because pvp is the selling point to me. It's why I kind of have been not so interested, because Bungie won't get dedicated servers or do a better job addressing the cheating.
Forsaken was the best time in Destiny 2, the Dreaming City, the Last Wish raid being one of the best raids in all of Destiny, lot of action and intense encounters. Shuro Chi is so intense, then the Riven Cheese lmao. Oh well, the golden years are gone, just gotta take it in pockets of enjoyment and find personal goals with the game to enjoy it. Then when it's boring again just quit and come back again later.
I loved Forsaken Crucible. Once I got the hang of it, tons of fun
Forsaken was easily the peak of the franchise, and I've been playing since the D1 beta. I started barely playing D2 on and off after Shadowkeep, and I quit entirely by Witch Queen. I'm always tempted to re-download the game and try again, but I have to remind myself it's not the same game it used to be. It's a shame I'll never be able to play that game I loved again. At least D1 is frozen in time, but D2 Forsaken is just gone forever.
I do miss pinnacle weapons, you know, weapons that you had to go through HELL TO GET !!!
Dude the new dungeon is so good tho coming from an avid destiny 1 fan
I had a lot of fun playing the day 1/2 raid. Got the emblem, then haven't done it again.
I had a lot of fun playing PvP until the population pool died and lag took over.
I enjoyed content creation until I realized none of it matters for as long as the meta never changes, even despite sweeping balancing changes.
I enjoyed making goofy builds until it took 20 matches to make the gimmick work.
I enjoyed trials until the loot became meaningless, light level advantage makes me lose 50% of engagements, and all the other issues trials brings.
I enjoyed shooting a gun until my gun stopped connecting.
Destiny 2 is exactly as you say. A bad game that I feel obligated to play because I thought it was better value to drop $100 bucks on the annual pass, to not play the new dungeon once because it feels like garbage to play, PvP not changing, PvE being meaningless outside of select scenarios, and so many other reasons. Fun experiences are truly like finding a needle in a haystack, but ending up shoving that needle up your arm. Fantastic video.
To be fair I haven’t gotten into crucible that much sense then
I feel like this is a sentiment most pvp players share, but as a pve player whos also been around since d1, I still find the game fun to play. I dont care about the business model, or anything surrounding the game, if the game is fun im gonna play it. Maybe I wont drop cash for every season, but I will continue having fun. The gunplay is still some of the best in the genre, the raids are fun, ive got 5 subclasses to work with that are all fun (except nightstalker), and gunslinger in particular, my main since d1, has never been so amazing. Gunpowder gamble is like crack to me. I do still burn out from time to time, but I always want to back for more.
Insane to me that as a day 1 player you can still bring yourself to enjoy the same gameplay loop for years. Sure the new raids and dungeons are always fun for a couple weeks but since witch queen, i have not been able to commit myself to grinding out the same mundane seasonal loop. Yes the core gunplay and feel of the game is still great but that is exactly why it is such a disappointment that they have hardly been able to expand on the type of activities they give us season after season, year after year. That a game with such refined gunplay is so limited to the same types of 3-6player activities is so disheartening
@Aldebaranisk for frame of reference ive done at least 10 runs of ghost of tsushima, bloodborne and even dishonored. I even still play battlefield 2042. If the game is fun, I will play it. Maybe I can stand repeating games often because I have a wide variety of games that I play, and friends to play them with.
Honestly, in terms of the Crucible, the only thing I dislike about the current state of D2’s is that abilities are spammed a shitton.
However, I like how you can use more offmeta weaponry and still do well with it. I honestly despise the Hand Cannon + Special metas because it was shooting yourself in the foot if you weren’t great with them.
Being able to hop in right now and use an Auto, Pulse, or even Scout and do decently feels nice.
As someone who started destiny one, year one when I was 10 if I remember correctly, I’ve been a warlock since day one. I’ve been through everything in this game and I’ve always put up with it. 2 days ago was the last time I could take it. My entire friend group is sick and tired of every core component being horrendous in this game. On top of that, we main pvp and we’re so sick and tired of Bungie catering to titans and hunters at every chance they get. Warlocks have been the worst for pvp for a LONG time. I still will always love destiny, as it’s my childhood game but at this point in time if significant changes aren’t made then I’m done. I will play Final Shape to see how it ends. But done. Every season is boring, every expansion is bland. This isn’t destiny.
I’m probably the only one but I love nv and would definitely watch a play through
I miss ultra vanilla original Loot Cave D1 era 🙃
It's disappointing knowing that for whatever reason destiny 2 will always be so limited in the kinds of new content and gamemodes that can be added. Bungie seems to be unable to experiment with higher player counts in pve and pvp spaces. This is why a destiny 3 is needed, there aren't any more 3player or 6player activities that bungie could think up that wouldn't instantly feel repetitive
It's insane how gambit is still the most innovation we've had in d2 and it's just a 4player wave based pve mode with a small element of pvp.
Thing is, there is no more Destiny after D2 cause Bungie is now working on Marathon again. And also, no new plans for D2 have emerged after the announcement of Final Shape. We should've gotten them already.
@Aztum The Knight Of Wumbo bungie is a fairly massive studio now and will be able to support 2 live service games with the monetary support from Sony. I do not see it as a remote possibility that bungie would ever abandon a cash cow like the destiny franchise nor would Sony allow them to after their investment.
@@Klodhvig Ok, but then what comes after Final Shape? After Destiny Infinity War?
@Aztum The Knight Of Wumbo they said previously right before lightfall launched that after the light and dark saga things are only beginning in the destiny universe. I really hope that in the final shape the vanguard gets completely destroyed and humanity gets put into a new dark age, ive become so sick of feeling like the space police. Humanity was supposed to be on the brink of extinction, i want that feeling back
@Aldebaranisk Could be something good but Bungie is getting way too greedy.
Well said. I only disagree that Forsaken was the best time in Destiny 2 because I think Shadowkeep was. BUT.... I only think Shadowkeep was better because it still had the Forsaken content like Gambit Prime, Menagerie, Forges, and all of D2 vanilla, Curse, Warmind, and Shadowkeep content. My favorite time was actually Season of Arrivals in particular. But that was the peak.
You could try it out for a bit to see the interest in videos around other games
Hey, I love your content and would be delighted to watch one of your Fallout New Vegas's (or any other game) lets play. Just saying...
Season of opulence is where the game peaked which is ironic because them being with Activision was benefitial for them rather than hindering them
Absolutely a goated era of pvp in destiny
Talking about hope of the peak years, I sit in the destiny 1 orbit when Im sad hoping people would come bafk to the crucible lol😢
I miss destiny 1. Screw destiny 2
I think the funny thing about Forsaken (speaking about the PvP, as a former PvP main) is that as much as it was imperfect, and it WAS (OEM, Gwisin, roaming super double teamwipes, pinnacle guns, etc.) none of those things stopped the game from still being considered fun
It was a very fun time for the game, and lots happened (and quickly so) in every match, unlike the war of attrition, ranged lame-out disaster we have today
Forsaken was so not perfect, but that makes it so incredibly sad that it and the following year were still probably where fun peaked in Destiny 2, particularly PvP but one could argue overall too
Forsaken was the peak of a game that could’ve gone further above that point and likely never will
Final Shape has yet to come out but it still feels safe to assume it won’t be a home run, and I think Destiny should pack up and say goodbye after next year
I miss red war sad face
Forsaken…. I miss the good old days
Dude I want my forsaken secret missions and diverse sandbox but also I want my warmind/COO/d2 vanilla dumb fun strikes and exotic missions