Okay so wanted to mention a few things. -I'm trying to upload a video every single month, I know this stretches it but a lot has been going on. -I know this doesn't fit perfectly with the story Destiny is currently following, just a fun interpretation for how things are going. (We'll see next week) -lmk if yall enjoy this style more, I went easy with it but I'll do more with it as I work on the next video -When I say "Shadowkeep is horrible" or that curse of Osiris is better than shadowkeep, I'm speaking strictly about the campaign. I thought that only mentioning the campaign and nothing else would've made that clear -As always thank you all for sticking around, it means a lot to me!
Honestly that pyramid reveal was amazing back then because it wasn't teased in the previews, but if you play now it won't have any impact because pyramids are literally everywhere. Back then it was 'Holy shit they're actually here'. and then it went nowhere for ages. was the only memorable part of Shadowkeep.
oh yeah true dude, that was crazy lol, sometimes I think to myself, what if people from like 7 years ago saw what I'm playing right now, they'd literally be SO confused and SO hyped at the same time lmao (pyramids, but also many things like prismatic)
In theory, it's a great start to D2 Y3: It begins with us finding ONE Pyramid, and it ends with Arrivals, when ALL the Pyramids roll up on various other planets. The problem is it ended with a vague sense of "Oh boy, spookyyyyyy" instead of anything meaningful. We got a creepy conversation with a mimic of our Guardian wearing the absolutely TERRIBLE-looking Dreambane armor, and then nothing. My suggestion would have been to have the plot of Shadowkeep be how the Hive are attempting to use a ritual to wake up the Pyramid early. Give us a singular, tangible villain to combat in the campaign like Hashladun, and just have Zolmak be the Strike boss instead and introduce an unnamed Hive Ogre boss for the Dungeon or something. Have the campaign be about us trying to break Hashladun's control over the Nightmares because she is trying to wake up the Pyramid to use its power to project the Nightmares all the way down to Earth, as well as using the Nightmares to enforce a cycle of tithing within the Hidden Swarm, strengthening them. That gives us a tangible threat to need to overcome sooner rather than later. Plus, Hashladun makes an excellent foil to Eris, as she seeks vengeance for the deaths of the Hive royal family the same way Eris sought vengeance for her fireteam. Have Hashladun constantly contact and taunt us by summoning Nightmares right on top of us while we're doing our missions to try to weaken Hashladun's control over the Nightmares. Make it a regular thing for us to kill a Nightmare, only for it to just get summoned right back. This makes the Nightmares feel relentless. Hashladun can even comment something like "Now you know how it feels to kill something that simply stands back up again, no matter how much stronger you are than them". Final fight is us fighting Hashladun in the Pyramid after she followed us in and she starts summoning Ghaul, Crota and Fikrul to fight us in between phases of fighting her as well, and it ends with the Pyramid's own power killing her for trying to prevent us from communing. This further sets up Season of Arrivals and foreshadows Savathun's own attempts to stop us from communing with the Pyramids.
There are literally 3 actual story missions in this expansion. The rest are complete and utter filler. I will give you an explanation for the scarlet keep though. It was constructed well after D1 which is why its not there in D1. It was created by savathun to lure us to the moon to kill the remaining hive of Oryx's lineage. If you wanted that to be explained in the main story then you would be sorely mistaken.
I believe people mentioned it in other comments but basically Savathun manipulated the daughters of crota to make the scarlet keep to lure the guardians and the daughters and other hive wizards were trying to make their own champion but use hive sorcery to change bodies/ souls honestly would have been way better than what we actually did in the campaign instead of reading it through the lore . - Also agree with you about the hive could have made it to where the red parts of their body were some kind of armor to combat the guardians and the spikes do extra damage or apply a damage over time effect. Would have preferred that we can explore the scarlet keep more and discover hive secrets come on bungie you really made a hive castle with nothing to show for it besides a strike and underground dungeon
But didn't we get the control of the moon in D1, at least the surface? We set up bases and checkpoints there. It's literally the closest body TO EARTH. The Vanguard is monitoring it constantly. How tf did they build an entire castle over there... Definitely bad writing
It was bad but it is humorous with how bad he makes it sound. Honestly it’s just on par with basic destiny story’s. Not great. Not completely unbearable.
I still love how Everyone points at Lightfall as being the Worst Expansion ever. Sure, the Campaign didn't answer any questions Immedietly, but did it have: -A Re-Skinned Destination and Bosses? -Underpowered Weapons? -A Raid Critically Panned as the Worst in D2 either due to still Buggy Mechanics or Monotinous Exotic Quest? -A Dungeon with no Exclusive Loot? -A Campaign where the only Standout feature is the reveal of Nezerecs Pyramid? -oh and Nightmare Hunts. Cause people totally do them
@@Nanokk_ Honestly The Story was alright, it was just Very Broad. Like what is the Radial Mast? It's a Light Dampening Device. What's the Veil? It's the Opposite of the Traveller and the main power source for the Cloudark. What's Strand? It's the Litteral Strands of the Universe The thing with Lightfall was that it was too broad and didn't give depth. Shadowkeep however is just "oh there's Nightmares cause the Pyramid is giving you them" and that's it. Cool. Looking back on it, having it be Nezerec's Pyramid is pretty cool and explains Why theres Nightmares.....BUT WHY DID IT NOT GET EXPLAINED TILL SEASON OF PLUNDER/LIGHTFALL
@@crowthorn23 I don't wanna reveal all my cards for the video but 1. Lightfall doesn't need to exist and I think it was intended like that, ever since the campaign we have never needed to interact or touch neomuna or anything to do with it at all 2. If Lightfall was supposed to exist, I think it should've either taken place in space with the patrol area being shattered ships we jump across or a shattered last city where its all about trying to and constantly failing to push back the witness 3. If Bungie really wanted all of this, Neomuna and all that, they should've copied Halo Reach
@@Nanokk_Well we see the Veil in the Final Shape launch trailer so I think Lightfall definitely was meant to exist but rather as part of the Final Shape content.
Some corrections on the story 1. Rasputin never tried to stop The Traveler from leaving. The Traveler, during the collapse, chose to stay with humanity, and during Season of the Seraph, The Traveler rose up into space to get out of the way The Last City so it wouldn't be collateral 2. The Hive were always meant to get The Light. Savathun played a gamble where she completely offered her life to The Traveler, risking it all by sending away The Veil during the collapse so the Witness couldn't use it then, thereby saving The Traveler and the existence. This act of Bravery, Devotion, and Self Sacrifice still ultimately led to her Death. And so she and the Hive were given the Light by the Traveler. 3. Yes Stasis was used to lure us to the Dark. However, there's a difference here with us. Elise Bray, or the Exo Stranger from D1, is stuck in a time loop, and in her time loop the Traveler leaves during Season of the Seraph (whereas in game it stayed), this was the inflection point for the "second collapse". In all of her time loops someone else got Stasis first, and everyone became corrupted and turned against each other. No Human/Cabal/ Eliskni alliance. Every time it usually ends the same with the a final battle over the Traveler ending with a burst of Light and her restarting from when Cayde-6 first becomes Hunter Vanguard and only bits and pieces of memory from the last loop. But in our timeline she ends up finding that fish that follows her around (called a Pouka), and through some Darkness stuff related to the Veil, it is able to pull memories out from her mind, allowing her to get an advantage and acquire Stasis first, and teaching us how to master it without being corrupted (as she had did before but not first like this time) 4. The Traveler was not working with Savathun here, even at this point the Traveler is doing it's thing which is absolutely nothing. It wasn't disappointed in the Last City for fighting it. By this point there had been the creation of the Last City Alliance (Human/Cabal/Eliksni/Awoken), Savathun was going to ruin that all-by herself. The Traveler is not so selfish as to go with Savathun's plan just to save itself and abandon Humanity. 5. The Witness won in Lightfall simply because we got outplayed. The Witness was far too powerful for us to even have thought about trying to oppose it at this point. Between Calus and our Ghost, so long as the Witness could make that link to the Veil it would win. The Witness tricked Calus as well, telling him to go and destroy the Veil. This was a trick to get the Guardian, and our Ghost, as close as possible to the Veil, and in doing so once we defeated Calus and had our guard down, The Witness would take control of our Ghost and make the link. Winning. We got outplayed in Lightfall.
@@Scallywag_Gilbert68 To an extent yeah, but really the Witness didn't have to do much considering the races of Sol were more than willing to fight each other without the Witness being overly involved
I believe that there was a lore page which includes a brother knight and sister wizard. Now I may be misremembering this a bit, but the hive on the moon were experimenting with singing and forced the sister to sing until her voice was lost, and then sing even further until her soul was untethered from her body. The sisters soul was then placed into the brothers body but she quickly died. On the other side of the coin however, the brother survived the process of his soul being placed into his sisters body. He was furious for the wizards killing his sister, but knew not how to cast spells. And so he instead picked up two blades and began a slaughter against the wizards who did this to him in a blood frenzy for vengeance. This would have been the perfect chance to just make one or two new enemies. It explains that the hive have been experimenting and trying to create new forces to fight back and recover. AND right in this text it shows a product of such. They could have made a new wizard type named a Bladesinger who wields two blades and uses the knights style of ai but with the speed of a wizard so it closes the distance much quicker. Plus, it uses two blades so it hits twice as hard but at the cost of defense and hp.
What you say at around 2:00 minutes about “where did this red castle come from” is explained in the dialogue. The earlier line about seismic disturbances being detected isn’t just a fancy way of saying stuff it happening. It is specifically telling you that the surface of the moon is experiencing seismic activity and that things are shifting. Then in the subsequent shot we see a massive protruding structure sticking out of the cracked surface. This just means that they detected the seismic activity and that activity was caused by the red fortress emerging out of the ground. Yes it could have been set at a different location, but I think reusing old content was done so that they could get the most bang out of their buck
I always pictured a union of Hive construction workers, and thralls with hard hats working on the castle, Boomers yellin at acolytes "Savathun aint payin you to sit on your ass, lunch is over" and Wizzard Shop Stuart goin over blue prints lol
@realname4430 yea it's kinda his voice I hear when I think of the boomer yelling at Subordinates " I'm docking your tithes for that red sheet rock you broke when your head exploded, where on a schedule here!"
To be fair the moon wasn't available in D2 until shadowkeep. We hadn't technically had Intel on it from taken king until this DLC so the scarlet keep had plenty of time to be built
@@jebalitabb8228 it wasn't hated or loved my opinion it was fun first time for the story but after that it was just a grind to get aspects for your sub class that wasn't fun or enjoyable and my stand is the same on strand I hate the grind that is required to get all fragments and aspects but beyond light was good but in hindsight the story ended in such a dumb way as have many seasons and dlc's prior that it makes the story not worth it since the outcome of beyond light was the reasoning why things happened in season of the seraph as they did because us and the vanguard love to leave things instead of finishing it
The expansion with crota as the mission one boss, then crota as the final mission boss, then Crota again as a Nightmare Mission Boss, then crota AGAIN as the dungeon boss. We fought Crota in D1 already, and he is reused 4 TIMES in this expansion!!
I played through shadowkeep and I didn't even realize I was playing the campaign. It was on god just running around killing stuffs with no narrative other than "moon's haunted" and "lmao it would be funny if you kill another one of oryx's bloodline". It's literally just another tuesday for the guardian ngl.
The saving grace for Shadowkeep was that at least all the old content was available for new destiny players to enjoy. When Beyond Light dropped over half the game had been deleted...
Made me quit for good. The introduction of a battle pass and more predatory monetization clearly becoming more likely was all it took for me to say fuck it and quit. Would have considered coming back if content wasn’t vaulted. Paid content should never be removed even if it isn’t high quality.
I love when Destiny 2 players shit talk rise of iron when that dlc is literally better than EVERY SINGLE D2 dlc except Forsaken and maybe Witch Queen. Witch Queen had a better campaign but rise of iron had way more content and arguably the greatest Destiny raid of all time. Oh and it had a vendor refresh across the entire game so it’s really not even an argument. It’s like a hydrogen bomb vs a coughing baby, I would go back to the days of Rise of Iron any day of the week over Witch Queen. Destiny 2 players have to downplay it because they gotta justify the 200 dollar yearly charges to their bank account but rise of iron was one of the best periods in all of Destiny. The age of triumph came out shortly after and it’s still the best Destiny has ever been.
When lightfall got all the hate it got I literally told myself “Shadowkeep was waaaaay worse than this. Why the fuck y’all saying this is the worse DLC?”
Lots of people hopped on the Destiny train around Witch Queen I would imagine, and had basically no frame of reference for Shadowkeep because nobody bothered with that expansion after the fact
I think it's because people excused a lot of Shadowkeep's downfalls as it was Bungie's first time releasing a major expansion independently. Not trying to defend them but that was just the community sentiment around the time.
@@cypherzer0589 Shadowkeep was better because the game hadn't vaulted or sunset anything back then + didn't have a disappointing story like Beyond Light or Lightfall. it just had a nothing story that built up the next expansion, which ended up being a disappointment.
@@paledrakesaying this is kind of weird when Lightfall also had a nothing story -> the point of it being just the witness opening the traveler. However, this led into a super good story! Being Final Shape. I guess we also killed Calus in LF, but like…Calus hadn’t been relevant in forever.
@charleywilson2146 Lightfall added the Veil, which is supposed to be the darkness version of the Traveler. That is super underwhelming and it makes no sense why it would be on Neptune. Also apparently there has been an entire civilization right on Earth's doorstep that no one has noticed which makes no sense. Also again Lightfall never needed to happen, it's beginning and end cutscene is essentially the same scene cut into two scenes. Just add them together and make it the intro cutscene of Final Shape. Honestly it makes no sense that we waited an entire year before we followed the Witness and that he did fuckall during that time. It completely removes any sense of urgency. So that's why Lightfall isn't just a nothing story, it's a story that hurts the lore and pacing of D2.
Let's not forget the terrible loot in Garden of Salvation! The armor is literally just a slightly altered version of the mechanos ornaments, which were already available before Shadowkeep even launched. They literally copy-pasted ornaments into the raid, because they couldn't be arsed making something unique. Shameful!
I’m so glad this got recommended to me. I’m a returning destiny 2 player from the first game and this is the first expansion actually still playable in D2. I actually just finished it over the weekend and I was very underwhelmed. This is what new players start off with, an expansion of busy work and a cliffhanger ending. I already knew about the witness so it worked a bit better for me but I can’t imagine some random player wanting to continue after this.
shadowkeep is the one expansion that consistently gets worse every year. when it came out it was mid, but as time goes by and more things get added, the experience of shadowkeep and its content goes from mid to straight ass
While I can defend certain parts, like some of the added mechanics from this DLC, you're still right. It fucking sucks and the raid being even worse doesn't help.
This dlc was literally just a massive reskin they sold back to us. The story was non existent. Nightmares don’t make any fucking sense, it’s just an excuse to reuse old assets. I also love how they knew the campaign was dogshit so they just threw a pyramid in there to keep our attention even tho it just sat there and didn’t do shit for 4 years. Also this is before they had retconned the darkness into the witness so they just tiptoed around it and gave us an empty ship because why not. You’d think a ship of an ancient evil would contain an ancient evil but nah. Also as much as it’s cool that we’re finally getting a new enemy race, they aren’t really the darkness, just enemies created by the witness by being in the traveler. So yeah the witness just has a fleet of empty ships. That’s lame asf to me. Still think they fucked up by not making the darkness a creepy shadow race. Everything about the old darkness was more threatening than whatever the witness is supposed to be. There’s concept art of the darkness world and it looks so sick, it’s all dark and green. I always wanted to go to a darkness world but instead we’re going into the traveler which is just a bunch of reskinned D1 areas with creepy hands for some reason. I’ve always wanted to go in the traveler but tell me why the inside is just our imagination of the D1 tower? Whatever bullshit lore reason there is, the real reason is that Bungie loves reusing assets.
The reason the tower is found inside the traveler is the same reason the dread are there. The Traveler pulls memories by those who traverse it and manifest them into being by the light. It's why the dread should only exist in the pale heart. Also the nightmares are just shadows cast over us with negative memories the lunar pyramid torments us with.
This is Destiny (2) in a nutshell. Reskins that they sell back to you, and paying for an opportunity to engage with guns and content you've played 70% of before. The story is predictable to anyone familiar with RPGs (or Science fiction / Fantasy in general) and is not well told after the fact and is only passably told at the time. It also suffers with time-gating at the time, so it would 'force' players to log on every week - presumably so they can keep pedaling the wares in the in-game store. Vast amounts of content sits there with irrelevancy, and although this sounds like it'd be an argument for 'removing it' - though why any Gamer would willingly say "Please take away this game I paid full price for" - but it's rather an argument for the fact they'll (re)use something once and then do absolutely *nothing* with it. Any time they do use it again, it is 90-100% the same as previous (See a 'Season of the Wish' Quest step making you replay a Forsaken Mission verbatim - this, hilariously, was also AFTER they removed Forsaken. This is their outlook with 70% of the guns, and with probably 70% of the world. It's one thing to reuse assets as a good development time-save. It's another thing entirely to remove the old assets, and then reissue them more or less as they were (or in some cases, worse). Better go out and grind that gun you previously owned because reasons. And now I'll address "Oh but they've undone sunsetting, they don't remove content any more, and they just let you reuse the sunset guns just this year of The Final Shape, in 2024, some 4 years after Sunsetting originally occurred..." Oh yes. How wonderful, i'm certain that they deserve praise for taking 4 years to rectify a horrendous anti-consumer practice 4 years prior - and still reintroduce barely any of it (as if that would somehow undo the problem). Tell me, start the story now. Then tell me all about the Red War. Then tell me all about Forsaken. Then tell me about all of the Seasonal build up each year. Oh wait. You can't. They still have around 60% of the content they have ever made, sitting unused, and unplayable regardless of whether you paid for it, or not. It won't even give you the option for you to play it - regardless of how shit individual campaigns may or may not have been. I still own Superman 64, and as shit as that was, I can still go back and play it. "Oh but that's not a live service game" Perhaps you'd be better off looking at you being ok with the idea of a company straight up removing things you paid for if you're going to excuse it the second they deliver something remotely 'passable' using the same tired dreck anyone could see coming from a mile off. Is the game tanking? Better reintroduce [Redacted], only to [Redacted] at the end of the Campaign again anyway - rendering his reintroduction 'fan-service' and nothing more. Is the story good? This uber-powerful villain we introduced, yeah you fight him and kill him within the Raid, and then in Campaign, all in the space of an IRL week. What did the uber-powerful villain achieve? Essentially nothing. Nothing of any significance or any merit. After having 'supposedly' been built up for 4 years - starting with Shadowkeep. Not that you'd notice of course, because, as pointed out, Shadowkeep was a godawful time waste. They keep fucking up because they, very clearly, had a lack of foresight and planning. This is very apparent when you consider the release cycle being a continuous cycle of Big Highs (Taken King, Forsaken, Witchqueen, The Final Shape) and Bigger lows (Curse of Osiris, Red War, Shadowkeep, Beyond light, Lightfall). They weren't even intending Lightfall and The Final Shape to be split until they considered "It wasn't possible to give the story justice" (or words to this effect) and so needed to split them up, you only need to look at Destiny 2 Vidocs prior to Beyond light to see: Beyond Light -> Witchqueen -> Lightfall There is no mention of 'The Final Shape' because that was to be included as part of the over-arching story of lightfall. This lack of foresight and planning affects everything they put out, from the Story (which doesn't make a lick of sense to anyone that hasn't been following it for the better part of 4+ years), to their ability to constantly use the 'Destiny2ContentVault TM' to just straight up put their own work into limbo, so they can repurpose and repackage it later, all for the low low premium of $50 for the base expansion and $50 for the annual pass (or more expensive if you want to purchase the seasons/episodes with the premium currency). It is an exceptionally predatory company - more so than many others, and that's saying something, because competition for cunt of year in video game studios is really contested by AAA studios. It'll give you the most bare bones content imaginable, but because it is a large amount of 'fan service' it is completely excused despite the fact they expect you to pay that aforementioned premium each year, to realistically get maybe 30 hours of new content before staring down the same strike you played 5 years ago - if it's even still in the game that is. www.destinypedia.com/Destiny_Content_Vault ^ Go on, have a look. Paying for a Digital Game reliant on Servers is one level of idiocy, but a payment most players make due to it being 'accepted industry practice'. Paying for a 'Season Pass' inside the above game is a second level of idiocy, but some players accept it because 'it's not really F2P'. Paying for additional content (Dungeons) inside the above game, seperate to the season pass (unless you buy the deluxe premium edition prior to game release) is a third layer of idiocy, but the players accept it because they've already gone past the first two layers of idiot, so there is no distinguishment further required, but you really should expect this content to be included within the main game price because, it fucking exists in the damn code and gets gated behind an additional payment. Paying for optional cosmetic content, for 1/6th to 1/3rd of the price of the entire expansion, is unquestionably however the biggest level of idiot you could possibly be, and there are a hell of a lot of them. There is no benefit of the doubt to give them, they already fucked you once. Promising 'not to fuck you again' is not a praise worthy move, you abject morons. The only remotely passable thing in Destiny, is that the gunplay, due to Hybrid P2P and ludicrously high aim assist levels by contrast, make it a very fluid gun-play experience. Everything else is not remotely worth paying the asking price for, not by a long shot.
One of my only complaints with the final shapes is that I didn’t understand how this was going to help us kill Mr Smokeyhead and one of my only praises that I have for shadowkeep was the fact that I did understand how this was going to help us beat the final bosses.
Shadowkeep is also when they changed how patrols so you can't cycle the selection available. You now have to grind the patrols you have or go to orbit and come back to get the patrol you want.
I remember getting to the end of Shadowkeep, going into the pyramid, getting hyped. The cutscene in the Black Garden with what seemed to be a representation of the Darkness speaking to me, using my own guardian to do so... And then the campaign ended. Right when it got good.
I hit a bug that prevented my hunter from interacting with an item on the moon that would start a campaign mission. Checked a year or so ago, still not fixed. Never finished the campaign on the hunter. Though hey, if there’s any camping to skip… it’s Curse of Osiris.
The main reason this expansion felt underwhelming was because it was their first expansion without Activision, which was a massive cut in workforce. It's obvious why they couldn't develop everything you mentioned.
Imagine finally bringing a pyramid ship to the game but nothing, absolutely nothing happens with it. Probably the last time I ever got excited for a pve expansion. The only new enemy the pyramid brought is a Tormentor 3 years later
That review is late but some lore points were explained long ago. I'm pretty sure the scarlett keep was built by Crotas old brood after crota has been slain. Savathun tricked the entire brood to build it. Not excusing the dlc but yeah,a lot of things you gotta dig in like in mant other seasons and expansions.
I have a policy of not looking at lore or anything past the expansions release when it comes to my campaign critiques. It's an excuse for past content, and I don't care much for excuses
Going to be taking my two New light friends through this story this weekend. Shame we only got one mission using tanks out of the 3 missions given next to running around patrol (those quests for the armour seem to have been made easier, requiring around 2 lost sector completions rather than an hour of completions mixed with patrols and events) and the Nightmare Hunts. Only benefit that comes is my Hunter friend being able to make an assassin look with Assassin's Cowl. Black shader included as expected.
People panning lightfall definitely forgot about shadowkeep. Shadowkeep was dogshit as we all know but the season weren’t better. Undying and worthy were some of the worst season to come out of this game. Dawn was mid and arrivals was the only good part of the entire year. At least lightfall had half decent seasonal content. As a result I quit destiny and missed the entire year of beyond light (which I regret as I’ve heard many of those seasons were great).
Shadowkeeps lore is so bad they retconned half of it with the rushed reveal of nezarec’s entire existence in a terrible pirate season that ruined all sense of urgency and mystery.
I disagree with what you said when The Witness, or our “ghost” says the traveler abandoned Cayde. It was intentionally phrased like that to antagonize the Traveler and the light as the Witness was always trying to turn us against it.
Shadowkeep was Bungies first content as the only developer after the split with Activision. Vicarious Visions (that is absorbed into Blizzars today) did most of Forsaken etc. so you notice it’s A LOT of reused content and forced planetary bounty patrol between every mission to fill it out, just like seasonal content today.
My brother was playing one mission for like 30 minutes until I got home and he asked, "Where are all the enemies?" He was trying to complete a mission that required Dreambane Armor he didn't have. The problem was that he couldn't even start the essence quests to acquire the armor! Our solution was to begin his Lightfall campaign instead.
I believe that even "bad" lore points are actually useful towards the greater scheme. After the Final Shape story and stuff my lore brain expanded so much and seeing all in retrospective enlightens and fascinates me. Also, I Salvation Edged to this video for 15 minutes ngl
every time Eris morn talks my brain turns off because i know nothing of value will be said. Her transforming in season 22 Witch was cool, but those monologues again... the only thing worse is Variks directly slurping into my ear the entire time.
13:35 i just made the connection that we're overcoming nightmares the same way the witness overcame his fear and then we would be a fitting disciple for the witness after the final shape
Hot take: warmind had a worse campaign than curse of osiris and turned wormgods into really sad version of what they r in the lore (as in power wise). Shadowkeeps first mission was good but the rest was definately the worst Id have to agree. Even the destination is so lazy, they deleted the amazing old D1 skybox and deleted the ambient lighting on the ground AND deleted the day nigh cycle (same for cosmodrome).
Just saw this video less than an hour ago and I’m hooked. You’re reinstalling the bs I’ve been through with Destiny and it’s hilarious. Keep up the great work man
Lightfall wasn't wasted potential, it was a forced filler episode. Remove it from the game, make the split beginning/end cutscene the start of Final Shape and you lose literally nothing story-wise except the absence of the silver surfer during the final mission. At least Shadowkeep had buildup to what was to come. I'm amazed Lightfall had even less. At least it introduced strand (why wasn't this in witchqueen?) and tormentors.
I remember after the last mission, I was looking through my quests wondering where the next mission was. Little did I know that was it. That was the final mission. wtf.
Nothing will ever beat Lightfall in terms of absolute suckage in my eyes. Shadowkeep wasn't great, but it didn't disappoint me. It was what it was and it was still an excuse to get on and play with friends. Lightfall, on the other hand, was the second to last chapter of Light/Dark saga, and had been hyped up immensely with Rasputin's sacrifice, the Traveler leaving the Last City, and the reveal of a new paracausal power linked directly to the Traveler: The Veil. What was this new power? What could it help explain about the Traveler? Huge reveals seemed to be looming on the horizon! ...and then...nothing. We went to Neptune, found Strand, listened to Calus and the Witness argue, and looked at the Veil for about...five minutes? Then, despite beating Calus, we just lose because our Ghost flies away (and no one even attempts to stop it, despite EVERYONE present having the capability to resolve the issue with ease), and the Witness cuts a portal in the Traveler and disappears. What was the Veil? Why did the Witness want it? What does it do? What is Strand? Why does it exist? Why was the Witness seemingly helping us by showing us things through our Ghost? Where did the Witness disappear to? Is the Traveler dead? If so, why can we still use the Light? If not...why can we still use the Light? You're telling me Ghaul could suppress the Light with a fancy tech cage, but the Witness can't? Why can't we go through the portal? We jump through weird portals all the time, why is this one different? Shadowkeep was boring. It didn't have a lot and what little it did have was mediocre. But Lightfall was hyped up. The Witness, our greatest enemy, was here. Trailers showed the Traveler firing a big beam. It seemed a HUGE fight was going to happen. But it didn't. I've seen comments on this video that Shadowkeep was just a weekly mission, and that's fair. Lightfall was...Strand (and boring seasons with such slow story telling that it was infuriating). That's it. Strand and a story so unbelievably bad it tanked the playerbase, got developers laid off later in the year, and had Sony threatening to take over completely because of failing numbers. Even big names in the Destiny community, like BYF, voiced their considerable loss of faith in Bungie. Shadowkeep was a flop; Lightfall was a disaster.
I remember finishing lightfall for the first time, seeing the final cutscene, and verbally, out loud, saying... What? I was in cope mode. I thought I missed something, maybe a cutscene explaining this ending bugged out and I missed it, maybe I just didn't get it and missed something. But nah, it was just terrible. I've since recorded all the footage for when I make my lightfall video, and that was hard to get through. I stopped playing on legendary because I just wasn't enjoying it anymore and it was hindering the recording. I don't know how long a Lightfall video will be, but I know for sure it's going to be on the longer side of my critiques
POV: you’re watching the 3rd RUclipsr hate on shadowkeep with reasons that are minor and shouldn’t validate an expansion as “shit” and can’t find a real reason
I replayed this campaign this week since it was in my legacy tab (not sure why since I had already played it) and forgot how much nothing actually happens in the campaign. The bosses arent hard, 70% of it is patrol missions, and and the only redeemable thing really is the final two cutscenes. Lightfall was stupid but at least had fun parts to it but Shadowkeep felt very much like a season storyline that became an expansion.. The moon being added back was cool but with only one new area really being added, not much actually changed
Great video! I feel like this dlc is lightfall mk1 but i would say worse since its pure filler content with the egregious reuse of old enemies/locations
I especially hate The Scarlet Keep, cause the trailers (and the strike itself) pins Hashladun as the main antagonist of the Shadowkeep DLC. And they just put the strike in the middle of the goddamn campaign and eliminate any sense of “oh there’s big bad!”
I’ll die on the hill that Curse of Osiris was overhated in some ways My biggest issue was that panoptes felt too easy But we got building story plots like time travel, saints resurrection, the possible future of the city We also got cool weapons, a new but small area, a look at the beauty of past mercury, armour sets, character development for Osiris, Ikora and Sagira and some other bits (so while it failed in many ways I enjoyed it, a new major vex boss was a nice surprise too and shows what future potential bosses could be like) As for warmind (I loved that too, things like alters of sorrow and escalation protocol were so great to farm and enjoy)
Still think Lightfall is objectively the worst DLC, even worse than Shadowkeep. Shadowkeep reworked the whole mod armor system (that we still use today). It introduced the Artifact system (that we still use today). Added finishers and the Finisher mods (that we still use today). It introduced champions which the game desperately needed back then (and we still have them today). Shadowkeep was the last DLC to launch with a Dungeon included. Shadowkeep was the last DLC to launch with new PvP maps included (yes really). It introduced the Seasonal model that was used for the following 5 years (and you could get everything on the pass for free back then). It had a raid that didn't take 2 hours to beat (unlike Lightfall). And it had objectively the best Raid exotic for Endgame content ever (Divinity was a REQUIREMENT for all raid races for the next 2 years before it was nerfed. No other exotic retained that level of high status for that long). The biggest downside of Shadowkeep is the story but unlike Lightfall, Shadowkeeps story wasn't at a crucial narrative part in the franchise. It wasn't a good story at all, but Lightfall was supposed to be the "infinity war" equivalent for the overall narrative, and took place in the Third Act of the Franchises narrative...and it was a complete disaster. More people complained about Lightfalls story then any other release besides maybe D1 Vanilla's narrative. The biggest critique being that it was nonsensical and most players had no idea what was going on at any given time (or what the Veil was). No one cared about Rohan or Nimbus, many found them to be annoying. All of this is well documented on Steams reviews for Lightfall, which is the lowest of any Destiny DLC release. Most of Shadowkeeps negative reviews are from years after it's release (due to Bungie's awful pricing of old content). Shadowkeep had a TON of long lasting benefits. The only real long lasting benefit Lightfall has is Strand and Conditional Finality. Shadowkeep was also made with a fraction of the budget LF was, and Bungie publicly stated before Shadowkeeps release that the Activision split forced them to make Shadowkeep smaller than they would have liked. LF didn't have this limitation (WQ made more money than any Destiny DLC ever, even under Activision as per the GDC presentation). We still benefit from Shadowkeep even now, not so much form Lightfall. Too bad no one will read all this.
Well hey, I took the time to read all of this, and I appreciate you taking the time to write this under my video. These kind of comments are genuinely my favorite. From that perspective I agree shadowkeep is better, but as a standalone package today with the content provided with the purchase, I would rather get lightfall since I find the raid more enjoyable (not by much), it comes with strand, and the campaign is bad, but at least it doesn't make me bored to death like shadowkeep does. Keep in mind I don't like lightfall, my review of lightfall is going to be mean and unforgiving, but I would still rather replay lightfall over shadowkeep. Once again, I appreciate the comment!
Also keep in mind that, while we for some fucking reason have a nightmare about Fikrul, *he’s not fucking dead*. He is literally still alive because Scorn. I’d say “At least let us fight Uldren” if they weren’t such fucking cowards about enemy variety they treat the slightest bit of variety in over a decade as a technical triumph.
I have a quicl question about the pyramind at 3:19 , it's supposed to be associated with the final shape witness dude right? If so, it seems pretty cool that they had the pyramid thing back then but what does that actually mean that the pyramids keep appearing everywhere in this DLC, in beyond light and witch queen edit: I watched the full video and u talk about it
It’s Nezarec’s personal pyramid ship. I’m pretty sure the other ones are under the Witness’ command and act as extensions of its will, except for the one in Witch Queen which is Rhulk’s pyramid ship.
@@provaricus627 i see. it's pretty cool they started this so long ago but maybe they took too long to handle this. that shadowkeep ending is way too vague for something that will pay off in 4 years time. Bungie thinks this is kingdom hearts
while I think now this expansion has aged horribly and wasn't good as it was, it brought a lot of features with it that made the game a lot more interesting. (those features have been iterated on a lot since, mostly armor 2.0). I think largely the reason I don't despise this expansion as much as I might hate lightfall is because the way it was marketed they made it clear that this would be a pretty large retread of old ground with some poor and unengaging mechanics. I find it kind of easier to excuse this expansions large shortcomings because of the way it was marketed and with the recent split from Activision meaning a lot of development resources they had back then were now gone. With that said, they absolutely should not be charging anything for this dumpster fire of an expansion and I'd argue the raid and dungeon really arent worth the money either.
Yeah shadowkeep was definitely bad, but I do understand why it was bad. This was during the transition from Activision partnership to bungie solo publishing. In forsaken bungie had the help of several other studios which enabled them to pump out content like three raids, menagerie, forges, etc. Shadowkeep was first expansion where it was literally just bungie and they were migrating the game to steam and f2p. The raid was pretty cool though and definitely one of the more unique raids in the game.
if i am being honest shadowkeep is like a bridge to introduce darkness power like stasis its like ligthfall ,curse of osiris and warmind but better below other expansion like beyond light,red war , witch queen and forsaken its not bad but not good either it serve as middle barrier between good and bad
I started this game just before beyond light and ran through the campaigns and legitimately couldn't tell that shadow keep was a campaign I just thought it was a story mission peppered in as I unlocked the moon. I've run it twice since and I still couldn't tell you wtf happens.
Dude I keep checking the date of this video while I watch it. It seems like this was meant to come out shortly after shadow keep, not just before the final shape 💀
I've had the script finished since January, but because of personal stuff and other projects coming first it took a while to come out. I needed it out before the Final Shape tho
This isnt even slight cap, after the high that was Forsaken, Shadowkeep made me quit within a few weeks lol, also it brought us one of the worst implemented features ever, champions.
Okay so wanted to mention a few things.
-I'm trying to upload a video every single month, I know this stretches it but a lot has been going on.
-I know this doesn't fit perfectly with the story Destiny is currently following, just a fun interpretation for how things are going. (We'll see next week)
-lmk if yall enjoy this style more, I went easy with it but I'll do more with it as I work on the next video
-When I say "Shadowkeep is horrible" or that curse of Osiris is better than shadowkeep, I'm speaking strictly about the campaign. I thought that only mentioning the campaign and nothing else would've made that clear
-As always thank you all for sticking around, it means a lot to me!
This is the only campaign where I literally went "Is that it?" At the end.
Not Warmind??
Not lightfall?
Not D1 Vanilla?
@@nttreaper4875 At least Lightfall had a story, a bad one, but still a story, the whole time I felt like I was doing fetch quests in Shadowkeep
@@Opbee12nimbus dialogue is literally brain rot
Bro uploaded his day 1 Shadowkeep review with Internet Explorer
Bro sorry my dial up was acting up
Your mother was making a phone call?@@Nanokk_
@@Zvxers7?
@@haikarawalker6996 if you make a phonecall and you're on a dial up connection, the internet will drop out.
@@haikarawalker6996 zoomer spotted
Honestly that pyramid reveal was amazing back then because it wasn't teased in the previews, but if you play now it won't have any impact because pyramids are literally everywhere. Back then it was 'Holy shit they're actually here'. and then it went nowhere for ages. was the only memorable part of Shadowkeep.
I don't know if I'd call it the only memorable part. The thralls come out of holes and go RAAAAAA and that's pretty memorable.
oh yeah true dude, that was crazy lol, sometimes I think to myself, what if people from like 7 years ago saw what I'm playing right now, they'd literally be SO confused and SO hyped at the same time lmao (pyramids, but also many things like prismatic)
In theory, it's a great start to D2 Y3: It begins with us finding ONE Pyramid, and it ends with Arrivals, when ALL the Pyramids roll up on various other planets.
The problem is it ended with a vague sense of "Oh boy, spookyyyyyy" instead of anything meaningful. We got a creepy conversation with a mimic of our Guardian wearing the absolutely TERRIBLE-looking Dreambane armor, and then nothing.
My suggestion would have been to have the plot of Shadowkeep be how the Hive are attempting to use a ritual to wake up the Pyramid early. Give us a singular, tangible villain to combat in the campaign like Hashladun, and just have Zolmak be the Strike boss instead and introduce an unnamed Hive Ogre boss for the Dungeon or something.
Have the campaign be about us trying to break Hashladun's control over the Nightmares because she is trying to wake up the Pyramid to use its power to project the Nightmares all the way down to Earth, as well as using the Nightmares to enforce a cycle of tithing within the Hidden Swarm, strengthening them. That gives us a tangible threat to need to overcome sooner rather than later. Plus, Hashladun makes an excellent foil to Eris, as she seeks vengeance for the deaths of the Hive royal family the same way Eris sought vengeance for her fireteam.
Have Hashladun constantly contact and taunt us by summoning Nightmares right on top of us while we're doing our missions to try to weaken Hashladun's control over the Nightmares. Make it a regular thing for us to kill a Nightmare, only for it to just get summoned right back. This makes the Nightmares feel relentless. Hashladun can even comment something like "Now you know how it feels to kill something that simply stands back up again, no matter how much stronger you are than them".
Final fight is us fighting Hashladun in the Pyramid after she followed us in and she starts summoning Ghaul, Crota and Fikrul to fight us in between phases of fighting her as well, and it ends with the Pyramid's own power killing her for trying to prevent us from communing. This further sets up Season of Arrivals and foreshadows Savathun's own attempts to stop us from communing with the Pyramids.
@@perrycarters3113 true
True I think this campaign was the start of the pyramids and when all the questions start rolling out
There are literally 3 actual story missions in this expansion. The rest are complete and utter filler. I will give you an explanation for the scarlet keep though. It was constructed well after D1 which is why its not there in D1. It was created by savathun to lure us to the moon to kill the remaining hive of Oryx's lineage. If you wanted that to be explained in the main story then you would be sorely mistaken.
Yeah like that sounds really cool, just wish we saw it... in the game.
Crazy I have to say that
I believe people mentioned it in other comments but basically Savathun manipulated the daughters of crota to make the scarlet keep to lure the guardians and the daughters and other hive wizards were trying to make their own champion but use hive sorcery to change bodies/ souls honestly would have been way better than what we actually did in the campaign instead of reading it through the lore .
- Also agree with you about the hive could have made it to where the red parts of their body were some kind of armor to combat the guardians and the spikes do extra damage or apply a damage over time effect. Would have preferred that we can explore the scarlet keep more and discover hive secrets come on bungie you really made a hive castle with nothing to show for it besides a strike and underground dungeon
@@Nanokk_ Erhm actually it is in game, you just have to go on random fetch quests and read a bunch of lore books 🤓
But didn't we get the control of the moon in D1, at least the surface? We set up bases and checkpoints there. It's literally the closest body TO EARTH. The Vanguard is monitoring it constantly. How tf did they build an entire castle over there... Definitely bad writing
POV: you are watching Shadowkeeps biggest hater.
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It was bad but it is humorous with how bad he makes it sound. Honestly it’s just on par with basic destiny story’s. Not great. Not completely unbearable.
Shadowkeep is shit.
Someone sounds like a destiny 2 simp. SMH sad really
@oPESKYo I think you got the wrong idea I ain't no simp I'm just stating that this person hates this 1 dlc? I honestly couldn't care lmao.
I still love how Everyone points at Lightfall as being the Worst Expansion ever. Sure, the Campaign didn't answer any questions Immedietly, but did it have:
-A Re-Skinned Destination and Bosses?
-Underpowered Weapons?
-A Raid Critically Panned as the Worst in D2 either due to still Buggy Mechanics or Monotinous Exotic Quest?
-A Dungeon with no Exclusive Loot?
-A Campaign where the only Standout feature is the reveal of Nezerecs Pyramid?
-oh and Nightmare Hunts. Cause people totally do them
Yeah at least the Lightfall campaign was fun... even if the story was horrible
@@Nanokk_ Honestly The Story was alright, it was just Very Broad.
Like what is the Radial Mast? It's a Light Dampening Device. What's the Veil? It's the Opposite of the Traveller and the main power source for the Cloudark. What's Strand? It's the Litteral Strands of the Universe
The thing with Lightfall was that it was too broad and didn't give depth. Shadowkeep however is just "oh there's Nightmares cause the Pyramid is giving you them" and that's it. Cool. Looking back on it, having it be Nezerec's Pyramid is pretty cool and explains Why theres Nightmares.....BUT WHY DID IT NOT GET EXPLAINED TILL SEASON OF PLUNDER/LIGHTFALL
@@crowthorn23 I don't wanna reveal all my cards for the video but
1. Lightfall doesn't need to exist and I think it was intended like that, ever since the campaign we have never needed to interact or touch neomuna or anything to do with it at all
2. If Lightfall was supposed to exist, I think it should've either taken place in space with the patrol area being shattered ships we jump across or a shattered last city where its all about trying to and constantly failing to push back the witness
3. If Bungie really wanted all of this, Neomuna and all that, they should've copied Halo Reach
@@Nanokk_Well we see the Veil in the Final Shape launch trailer so I think Lightfall definitely was meant to exist but rather as part of the Final Shape content.
I think calling Shadowkeeps campaign boring is an UNDERSTATEMENT. About half of the campaign was just doing patrol stuff like how fucking dull.
Some corrections on the story
1. Rasputin never tried to stop The Traveler from leaving. The Traveler, during the collapse, chose to stay with humanity, and during Season of the Seraph, The Traveler rose up into space to get out of the way The Last City so it wouldn't be collateral
2. The Hive were always meant to get The Light. Savathun played a gamble where she completely offered her life to The Traveler, risking it all by sending away The Veil during the collapse so the Witness couldn't use it then, thereby saving The Traveler and the existence. This act of Bravery, Devotion, and Self Sacrifice still ultimately led to her Death. And so she and the Hive were given the Light by the Traveler.
3. Yes Stasis was used to lure us to the Dark. However, there's a difference here with us. Elise Bray, or the Exo Stranger from D1, is stuck in a time loop, and in her time loop the Traveler leaves during Season of the Seraph (whereas in game it stayed), this was the inflection point for the "second collapse". In all of her time loops someone else got Stasis first, and everyone became corrupted and turned against each other. No Human/Cabal/ Eliskni alliance. Every time it usually ends the same with the a final battle over the Traveler ending with a burst of Light and her restarting from when Cayde-6 first becomes Hunter Vanguard and only bits and pieces of memory from the last loop. But in our timeline she ends up finding that fish that follows her around (called a Pouka), and through some Darkness stuff related to the Veil, it is able to pull memories out from her mind, allowing her to get an advantage and acquire Stasis first, and teaching us how to master it without being corrupted (as she had did before but not first like this time)
4. The Traveler was not working with Savathun here, even at this point the Traveler is doing it's thing which is absolutely nothing. It wasn't disappointed in the Last City for fighting it. By this point there had been the creation of the Last City Alliance (Human/Cabal/Eliksni/Awoken), Savathun was going to ruin that all-by herself. The Traveler is not so selfish as to go with Savathun's plan just to save itself and abandon Humanity.
5. The Witness won in Lightfall simply because we got outplayed. The Witness was far too powerful for us to even have thought about trying to oppose it at this point. Between Calus and our Ghost, so long as the Witness could make that link to the Veil it would win. The Witness tricked Calus as well, telling him to go and destroy the Veil. This was a trick to get the Guardian, and our Ghost, as close as possible to the Veil, and in doing so once we defeated Calus and had our guard down, The Witness would take control of our Ghost and make the link. Winning. We got outplayed in Lightfall.
Good point
so the witness is the mastermind behind all the shit that's happening for the past 10 years in this game
@@Scallywag_Gilbert68 To an extent yeah, but really the Witness didn't have to do much considering the races of Sol were more than willing to fight each other without the Witness being overly involved
I believe that there was a lore page which includes a brother knight and sister wizard. Now I may be misremembering this a bit, but the hive on the moon were experimenting with singing and forced the sister to sing until her voice was lost, and then sing even further until her soul was untethered from her body. The sisters soul was then placed into the brothers body but she quickly died. On the other side of the coin however, the brother survived the process of his soul being placed into his sisters body. He was furious for the wizards killing his sister, but knew not how to cast spells. And so he instead picked up two blades and began a slaughter against the wizards who did this to him in a blood frenzy for vengeance.
This would have been the perfect chance to just make one or two new enemies. It explains that the hive have been experimenting and trying to create new forces to fight back and recover. AND right in this text it shows a product of such. They could have made a new wizard type named a Bladesinger who wields two blades and uses the knights style of ai but with the speed of a wizard so it closes the distance much quicker. Plus, it uses two blades so it hits twice as hard but at the cost of defense and hp.
I gotta read this
that wizard singing bit is so fucked up
Took this guy 5 years to notice
What you say at around 2:00 minutes about “where did this red castle come from” is explained in the dialogue.
The earlier line about seismic disturbances being detected isn’t just a fancy way of saying stuff it happening. It is specifically telling you that the surface of the moon is experiencing seismic activity and that things are shifting.
Then in the subsequent shot we see a massive protruding structure sticking out of the cracked surface.
This just means that they detected the seismic activity and that activity was caused by the red fortress emerging out of the ground.
Yes it could have been set at a different location, but I think reusing old content was done so that they could get the most bang out of their buck
I always pictured a union of Hive construction workers, and thralls with hard hats working on the castle, Boomers yellin at acolytes "Savathun aint payin you to sit on your ass, lunch is over" and Wizzard Shop Stuart goin over blue prints lol
Bro this is a great comment wtf I love it
I mean immaru is literally an old timey goon, he would 100 percent be like a site manager
@Nanokk_ lol ty, I've seriously said this to a friend of mine once and always gives me a laugh when I think about it
@realname4430 yea it's kinda his voice I hear when I think of the boomer yelling at Subordinates " I'm docking your tithes for that red sheet rock you broke when your head exploded, where on a schedule here!"
@@realname4430"Immaru here with your marching orders. Boss says we need to construct a castle on the Moon, so get to it."
To be fair the moon wasn't available in D2 until shadowkeep. We hadn't technically had Intel on it from taken king until this DLC so the scarlet keep had plenty of time to be built
They really vaulted Forsaken over this shit. Bungie had weird choices back then...
They can't get rid of the Moon patrol destination because they needed to reuse it later
wrong DLC for the vaulting that was beyond light
@@ruined_yukibeyond light is needed for stasis
@@ruined_yukiis beyond light unpopular? I actually enjoyed it quite a bit, though it was my first expansion so maybe that’s why 🤷🏼♀️
@@jebalitabb8228 it wasn't hated or loved my opinion it was fun first time for the story but after that it was just a grind to get aspects for your sub class that wasn't fun or enjoyable and my stand is the same on strand I hate the grind that is required to get all fragments and aspects but beyond light was good but in hindsight the story ended in such a dumb way as have many seasons and dlc's prior that it makes the story not worth it since the outcome of beyond light was the reasoning why things happened in season of the seraph as they did because us and the vanguard love to leave things instead of finishing it
I very much like the theory of us being involuntary Disciples
Per the recent Final Shape ViDocs, that seems to be the plan:
“The Guardian’s use has yet to be determined. We require a god-killer.”
The expansion with crota as the mission one boss, then crota as the final mission boss, then Crota again as a Nightmare Mission Boss, then crota AGAIN as the dungeon boss. We fought Crota in D1 already, and he is reused 4 TIMES in this expansion!!
Reskinned crota for dungeon*
To this day, my other characters have yet to touch Shadowkeep themselves after the snooze fest that my Hunter went through
I played through shadowkeep and I didn't even realize I was playing the campaign. It was on god just running around killing stuffs with no narrative other than "moon's haunted" and "lmao it would be funny if you kill another one of oryx's bloodline". It's literally just another tuesday for the guardian ngl.
The saving grace for Shadowkeep was that at least all the old content was available for new destiny players to enjoy. When Beyond Light dropped over half the game had been deleted...
Shadowkeep made me quit Destiny until Lightfall
Damn, two slugs back to back. Hope you've tried Witch Queen.
Damn you missed out
@SALEENS7GTR5 I did, it was pretty good and it reminded me that Bungie CAN cook so I'm hoping The Final Shape has a good story as well
Made me quit for good. The introduction of a battle pass and more predatory monetization clearly becoming more likely was all it took for me to say fuck it and quit. Would have considered coming back if content wasn’t vaulted. Paid content should never be removed even if it isn’t high quality.
Lightfall is worse than Shadowkeep😂😂
I completely forgot this was an annual release. 100% thought it was just a season
My immediate reaction to the title was “yeah, I know”
the idea of Crotato chip’s kid trying to exact revenge is a great idea. shadowkeep dropped the ball so hard man
“Things happen” can describe the entirety of destinys story and plot from day 1
I love when Destiny 2 players shit talk rise of iron when that dlc is literally better than EVERY SINGLE D2 dlc except Forsaken and maybe Witch Queen. Witch Queen had a better campaign but rise of iron had way more content and arguably the greatest Destiny raid of all time. Oh and it had a vendor refresh across the entire game so it’s really not even an argument. It’s like a hydrogen bomb vs a coughing baby, I would go back to the days of Rise of Iron any day of the week over Witch Queen. Destiny 2 players have to downplay it because they gotta justify the 200 dollar yearly charges to their bank account but rise of iron was one of the best periods in all of Destiny. The age of triumph came out shortly after and it’s still the best Destiny has ever been.
When lightfall got all the hate it got I literally told myself “Shadowkeep was waaaaay worse than this. Why the fuck y’all saying this is the worse DLC?”
Lots of people hopped on the Destiny train around Witch Queen I would imagine, and had basically no frame of reference for Shadowkeep because nobody bothered with that expansion after the fact
I think it's because people excused a lot of Shadowkeep's downfalls as it was Bungie's first time releasing a major expansion independently. Not trying to defend them but that was just the community sentiment around the time.
@@cypherzer0589 Shadowkeep was better because the game hadn't vaulted or sunset anything back then + didn't have a disappointing story like Beyond Light or Lightfall. it just had a nothing story that built up the next expansion, which ended up being a disappointment.
@@paledrakesaying this is kind of weird when Lightfall also had a nothing story -> the point of it being just the witness opening the traveler.
However, this led into a super good story! Being Final Shape.
I guess we also killed Calus in LF, but like…Calus hadn’t been relevant in forever.
@charleywilson2146 Lightfall added the Veil, which is supposed to be the darkness version of the Traveler. That is super underwhelming and it makes no sense why it would be on Neptune. Also apparently there has been an entire civilization right on Earth's doorstep that no one has noticed which makes no sense. Also again Lightfall never needed to happen, it's beginning and end cutscene is essentially the same scene cut into two scenes. Just add them together and make it the intro cutscene of Final Shape. Honestly it makes no sense that we waited an entire year before we followed the Witness and that he did fuckall during that time. It completely removes any sense of urgency. So that's why Lightfall isn't just a nothing story, it's a story that hurts the lore and pacing of D2.
Let's not forget the terrible loot in Garden of Salvation! The armor is literally just a slightly altered version of the mechanos ornaments, which were already available before Shadowkeep even launched.
They literally copy-pasted ornaments into the raid, because they couldn't be arsed making something unique.
Shameful!
I’m so glad this got recommended to me. I’m a returning destiny 2 player from the first game and this is the first expansion actually still playable in D2. I actually just finished it over the weekend and I was very underwhelmed. This is what new players start off with, an expansion of busy work and a cliffhanger ending. I already knew about the witness so it worked a bit better for me but I can’t imagine some random player wanting to continue after this.
shadowkeep is the one expansion that consistently gets worse every year. when it came out it was mid, but as time goes by and more things get added, the experience of shadowkeep and its content goes from mid to straight ass
While I can defend certain parts, like some of the added mechanics from this DLC, you're still right. It fucking sucks and the raid being even worse doesn't help.
Shreekers are the #1 worst enemies in the game second worst are taken and regular ogres that push you back 10 feet and make it impossible to move
This dlc was literally just a massive reskin they sold back to us. The story was non existent. Nightmares don’t make any fucking sense, it’s just an excuse to reuse old assets. I also love how they knew the campaign was dogshit so they just threw a pyramid in there to keep our attention even tho it just sat there and didn’t do shit for 4 years. Also this is before they had retconned the darkness into the witness so they just tiptoed around it and gave us an empty ship because why not. You’d think a ship of an ancient evil would contain an ancient evil but nah. Also as much as it’s cool that we’re finally getting a new enemy race, they aren’t really the darkness, just enemies created by the witness by being in the traveler. So yeah the witness just has a fleet of empty ships. That’s lame asf to me. Still think they fucked up by not making the darkness a creepy shadow race. Everything about the old darkness was more threatening than whatever the witness is supposed to be. There’s concept art of the darkness world and it looks so sick, it’s all dark and green. I always wanted to go to a darkness world but instead we’re going into the traveler which is just a bunch of reskinned D1 areas with creepy hands for some reason. I’ve always wanted to go in the traveler but tell me why the inside is just our imagination of the D1 tower? Whatever bullshit lore reason there is, the real reason is that Bungie loves reusing assets.
The reason the tower is found inside the traveler is the same reason the dread are there. The Traveler pulls memories by those who traverse it and manifest them into being by the light. It's why the dread should only exist in the pale heart. Also the nightmares are just shadows cast over us with negative memories the lunar pyramid torments us with.
This is Destiny (2) in a nutshell.
Reskins that they sell back to you, and paying for an opportunity to engage with guns and content you've played 70% of before.
The story is predictable to anyone familiar with RPGs (or Science fiction / Fantasy in general) and is not well told after the fact and is only passably told at the time. It also suffers with time-gating at the time, so it would 'force' players to log on every week - presumably so they can keep pedaling the wares in the in-game store.
Vast amounts of content sits there with irrelevancy, and although this sounds like it'd be an argument for 'removing it' - though why any Gamer would willingly say "Please take away this game I paid full price for" - but it's rather an argument for the fact they'll (re)use something once and then do absolutely *nothing* with it. Any time they do use it again, it is 90-100% the same as previous (See a 'Season of the Wish' Quest step making you replay a Forsaken Mission verbatim - this, hilariously, was also AFTER they removed Forsaken.
This is their outlook with 70% of the guns, and with probably 70% of the world.
It's one thing to reuse assets as a good development time-save.
It's another thing entirely to remove the old assets, and then reissue them more or less as they were (or in some cases, worse).
Better go out and grind that gun you previously owned because reasons.
And now I'll address "Oh but they've undone sunsetting, they don't remove content any more, and they just let you reuse the sunset guns just this year of The Final Shape, in 2024, some 4 years after Sunsetting originally occurred..."
Oh yes. How wonderful, i'm certain that they deserve praise for taking 4 years to rectify a horrendous anti-consumer practice 4 years prior - and still reintroduce barely any of it (as if that would somehow undo the problem).
Tell me, start the story now.
Then tell me all about the Red War.
Then tell me all about Forsaken.
Then tell me about all of the Seasonal build up each year.
Oh wait. You can't.
They still have around 60% of the content they have ever made, sitting unused, and unplayable regardless of whether you paid for it, or not.
It won't even give you the option for you to play it - regardless of how shit individual campaigns may or may not have been.
I still own Superman 64, and as shit as that was, I can still go back and play it.
"Oh but that's not a live service game"
Perhaps you'd be better off looking at you being ok with the idea of a company straight up removing things you paid for if you're going to excuse it the second they deliver something remotely 'passable' using the same tired dreck anyone could see coming from a mile off.
Is the game tanking? Better reintroduce [Redacted], only to [Redacted] at the end of the Campaign again anyway - rendering his reintroduction 'fan-service' and nothing more.
Is the story good? This uber-powerful villain we introduced, yeah you fight him and kill him within the Raid, and then in Campaign, all in the space of an IRL week.
What did the uber-powerful villain achieve? Essentially nothing. Nothing of any significance or any merit. After having 'supposedly' been built up for 4 years - starting with Shadowkeep.
Not that you'd notice of course, because, as pointed out, Shadowkeep was a godawful time waste.
They keep fucking up because they, very clearly, had a lack of foresight and planning.
This is very apparent when you consider the release cycle being a continuous cycle of Big Highs (Taken King, Forsaken, Witchqueen, The Final Shape) and Bigger lows (Curse of Osiris, Red War, Shadowkeep, Beyond light, Lightfall).
They weren't even intending Lightfall and The Final Shape to be split until they considered "It wasn't possible to give the story justice" (or words to this effect) and so needed to split them up, you only need to look at Destiny 2 Vidocs prior to Beyond light to see:
Beyond Light -> Witchqueen -> Lightfall
There is no mention of 'The Final Shape' because that was to be included as part of the over-arching story of lightfall.
This lack of foresight and planning affects everything they put out, from the Story (which doesn't make a lick of sense to anyone that hasn't been following it for the better part of 4+ years), to their ability to constantly use the 'Destiny2ContentVault TM' to just straight up put their own work into limbo, so they can repurpose and repackage it later, all for the low low premium of $50 for the base expansion and $50 for the annual pass (or more expensive if you want to purchase the seasons/episodes with the premium currency).
It is an exceptionally predatory company - more so than many others, and that's saying something, because competition for cunt of year in video game studios is really contested by AAA studios.
It'll give you the most bare bones content imaginable, but because it is a large amount of 'fan service' it is completely excused despite the fact they expect you to pay that aforementioned premium each year, to realistically get maybe 30 hours of new content before staring down the same strike you played 5 years ago - if it's even still in the game that is.
www.destinypedia.com/Destiny_Content_Vault
^ Go on, have a look.
Paying for a Digital Game reliant on Servers is one level of idiocy, but a payment most players make due to it being 'accepted industry practice'.
Paying for a 'Season Pass' inside the above game is a second level of idiocy, but some players accept it because 'it's not really F2P'.
Paying for additional content (Dungeons) inside the above game, seperate to the season pass (unless you buy the deluxe premium edition prior to game release) is a third layer of idiocy, but the players accept it because they've already gone past the first two layers of idiot, so there is no distinguishment further required, but you really should expect this content to be included within the main game price because, it fucking exists in the damn code and gets gated behind an additional payment.
Paying for optional cosmetic content, for 1/6th to 1/3rd of the price of the entire expansion, is unquestionably however the biggest level of idiot you could possibly be, and there are a hell of a lot of them.
There is no benefit of the doubt to give them, they already fucked you once. Promising 'not to fuck you again' is not a praise worthy move, you abject morons.
The only remotely passable thing in Destiny, is that the gunplay, due to Hybrid P2P and ludicrously high aim assist levels by contrast, make it a very fluid gun-play experience.
Everything else is not remotely worth paying the asking price for, not by a long shot.
Reminds me of the time i forgot to do a school project so i tried to combine my old projects in a way it would let me pass
I feel like this video got caught in a Vex time loop and only just got to us now 4 years later
They're messing with my upload schedule and stuff
One of my only complaints with the final shapes is that I didn’t understand how this was going to help us kill Mr Smokeyhead and one of my only praises that I have for shadowkeep was the fact that I did understand how this was going to help us beat the final bosses.
Shadowkeep is also when they changed how patrols so you can't cycle the selection available. You now have to grind the patrols you have or go to orbit and come back to get the patrol you want.
I remember getting to the end of Shadowkeep, going into the pyramid, getting hyped. The cutscene in the Black Garden with what seemed to be a representation of the Darkness speaking to me, using my own guardian to do so...
And then the campaign ended. Right when it got good.
I hit a bug that prevented my hunter from interacting with an item on the moon that would start a campaign mission. Checked a year or so ago, still not fixed. Never finished the campaign on the hunter. Though hey, if there’s any camping to skip… it’s Curse of Osiris.
Im 00:01 into this video and yeah, I agree.
Glad to hear:)
I love how he starts having fun, then immediately realizes what he’s doing and starts shitting on it again, bars tho so real
When it ended I was just like “Wait that’s it? What did that have to do with the black garden?”
The main reason this expansion felt underwhelming was because it was their first expansion without Activision, which was a massive cut in workforce.
It's obvious why they couldn't develop everything you mentioned.
I remember the first time I completed shadowkeep when the final cutscene in confusion I remember being like “ that’s it?”
Imagine finally bringing a pyramid ship to the game but nothing, absolutely nothing happens with it. Probably the last time I ever got excited for a pve expansion. The only new enemy the pyramid brought is a Tormentor 3 years later
That review is late but some lore points were explained long ago.
I'm pretty sure the scarlett keep was built by Crotas old brood after crota has been slain. Savathun tricked the entire brood to build it. Not excusing the dlc but yeah,a lot of things you gotta dig in like in mant other seasons and expansions.
I have a policy of not looking at lore or anything past the expansions release when it comes to my campaign critiques. It's an excuse for past content, and I don't care much for excuses
i forgot shadowkeep even existed
Going to be taking my two New light friends through this story this weekend. Shame we only got one mission using tanks out of the 3 missions given next to running around patrol (those quests for the armour seem to have been made easier, requiring around 2 lost sector completions rather than an hour of completions mixed with patrols and events) and the Nightmare Hunts. Only benefit that comes is my Hunter friend being able to make an assassin look with Assassin's Cowl. Black shader included as expected.
People panning lightfall definitely forgot about shadowkeep. Shadowkeep was dogshit as we all know but the season weren’t better. Undying and worthy were some of the worst season to come out of this game. Dawn was mid and arrivals was the only good part of the entire year. At least lightfall had half decent seasonal content. As a result I quit destiny and missed the entire year of beyond light (which I regret as I’ve heard many of those seasons were great).
13:45 all the gl shots missing had me dying
STOP
Shadowkeeps lore is so bad they retconned half of it with the rushed reveal of nezarec’s entire existence in a terrible pirate season that ruined all sense of urgency and mystery.
Hot take, Lightfall did a better job than Shadowkeep
Shadowkeep was just really fucking boring
That is a hot take but I do agree with it
I disagree with what you said when The Witness, or our “ghost” says the traveler abandoned Cayde. It was intentionally phrased like that to antagonize the Traveler and the light as the Witness was always trying to turn us against it.
Shadowkeep was Bungies first content as the only developer after the split with Activision. Vicarious Visions (that is absorbed into Blizzars today) did most of Forsaken etc. so you notice it’s A LOT of reused content and forced planetary bounty patrol between every mission to fill it out, just like seasonal content today.
I didn't realize the video would turn at the end. Way to make the story alot cooler
My brother was playing one mission for like 30 minutes until I got home and he asked, "Where are all the enemies?" He was trying to complete a mission that required Dreambane Armor he didn't have. The problem was that he couldn't even start the essence quests to acquire the armor! Our solution was to begin his Lightfall campaign instead.
Shadowkeeps "campaign" was just you crafting an armor set to be able to kill nightmares.
I believe that even "bad" lore points are actually useful towards the greater scheme. After the Final Shape story and stuff my lore brain expanded so much and seeing all in retrospective enlightens and fascinates me. Also, I Salvation Edged to this video for 15 minutes ngl
1:23 I almost forgot the Leviathan is still parked next to the moon
So much for that Final Shape prediction. Would've actually enjoyed that over the Witness being clapped 3 days into its own expansion.
every time Eris morn talks my brain turns off because i know nothing of value will be said. Her transforming in season 22 Witch was cool, but those monologues again...
the only thing worse is Variks directly slurping into my ear the entire time.
13:35 i just made the connection that we're overcoming nightmares the same way the witness overcame his fear and then we would be a fitting disciple for the witness after the final shape
The one thing shadowkeep did right is that we forgot about it
Hot take: warmind had a worse campaign than curse of osiris and turned wormgods into really sad version of what they r in the lore (as in power wise). Shadowkeeps first mission was good but the rest was definately the worst Id have to agree. Even the destination is so lazy, they deleted the amazing old D1 skybox and deleted the ambient lighting on the ground AND deleted the day nigh cycle (same for cosmodrome).
The tower emerged from the ground hence Zavala saying there was seismic activity
Just saw this video less than an hour ago and I’m hooked. You’re reinstalling the bs I’ve been through with Destiny and it’s hilarious. Keep up the great work man
It really is. Lightfall’s campaign was wasted potential, but it at least had great gameplay. Shadowkeep was basically a weekly quest.
The gameplay was fine, some of the witness and calus stuff was cool, but yeah. Sucks the bar is so low lol
Lightfall wasn't wasted potential, it was a forced filler episode. Remove it from the game, make the split beginning/end cutscene the start of Final Shape and you lose literally nothing story-wise except the absence of the silver surfer during the final mission. At least Shadowkeep had buildup to what was to come. I'm amazed Lightfall had even less. At least it introduced strand (why wasn't this in witchqueen?) and tormentors.
This DLC screamed limited budget. Especially it being the first DLC after leaving Activision.
I remember after the last mission, I was looking through my quests wondering where the next mission was. Little did I know that was it. That was the final mission. wtf.
Nothing will ever beat Lightfall in terms of absolute suckage in my eyes.
Shadowkeep wasn't great, but it didn't disappoint me. It was what it was and it was still an excuse to get on and play with friends. Lightfall, on the other hand, was the second to last chapter of Light/Dark saga, and had been hyped up immensely with Rasputin's sacrifice, the Traveler leaving the Last City, and the reveal of a new paracausal power linked directly to the Traveler: The Veil. What was this new power? What could it help explain about the Traveler? Huge reveals seemed to be looming on the horizon!
...and then...nothing.
We went to Neptune, found Strand, listened to Calus and the Witness argue, and looked at the Veil for about...five minutes? Then, despite beating Calus, we just lose because our Ghost flies away (and no one even attempts to stop it, despite EVERYONE present having the capability to resolve the issue with ease), and the Witness cuts a portal in the Traveler and disappears.
What was the Veil? Why did the Witness want it? What does it do? What is Strand? Why does it exist? Why was the Witness seemingly helping us by showing us things through our Ghost? Where did the Witness disappear to? Is the Traveler dead? If so, why can we still use the Light? If not...why can we still use the Light? You're telling me Ghaul could suppress the Light with a fancy tech cage, but the Witness can't? Why can't we go through the portal? We jump through weird portals all the time, why is this one different?
Shadowkeep was boring. It didn't have a lot and what little it did have was mediocre. But Lightfall was hyped up. The Witness, our greatest enemy, was here. Trailers showed the Traveler firing a big beam. It seemed a HUGE fight was going to happen. But it didn't. I've seen comments on this video that Shadowkeep was just a weekly mission, and that's fair. Lightfall was...Strand (and boring seasons with such slow story telling that it was infuriating). That's it. Strand and a story so unbelievably bad it tanked the playerbase, got developers laid off later in the year, and had Sony threatening to take over completely because of failing numbers. Even big names in the Destiny community, like BYF, voiced their considerable loss of faith in Bungie.
Shadowkeep was a flop; Lightfall was a disaster.
I remember finishing lightfall for the first time, seeing the final cutscene, and verbally, out loud, saying...
What?
I was in cope mode. I thought I missed something, maybe a cutscene explaining this ending bugged out and I missed it, maybe I just didn't get it and missed something. But nah, it was just terrible.
I've since recorded all the footage for when I make my lightfall video, and that was hard to get through. I stopped playing on legendary because I just wasn't enjoying it anymore and it was hindering the recording. I don't know how long a Lightfall video will be, but I know for sure it's going to be on the longer side of my critiques
Just wait till bro finds out about light fall 💀💀💀
POV: you’re watching the 3rd RUclipsr hate on shadowkeep with reasons that are minor and shouldn’t validate an expansion as “shit” and can’t find a real reason
I replayed this campaign this week since it was in my legacy tab (not sure why since I had already played it) and forgot how much nothing actually happens in the campaign. The bosses arent hard, 70% of it is patrol missions, and and the only redeemable thing really is the final two cutscenes. Lightfall was stupid but at least had fun parts to it but Shadowkeep felt very much like a season storyline that became an expansion.. The moon being added back was cool but with only one new area really being added, not much actually changed
going into this dlc after forsaken was the biggest gut punch ever
Lightfall: Hold my beer
Great video! I feel like this dlc is lightfall mk1 but i would say worse since its pure filler content with the egregious reuse of old enemies/locations
I especially hate The Scarlet Keep, cause the trailers (and the strike itself) pins Hashladun as the main antagonist of the Shadowkeep DLC. And they just put the strike in the middle of the goddamn campaign and eliminate any sense of “oh there’s big bad!”
Honestly the only part of the campaign i liked was the ending, not everything has to be immediately explained, its a decent cliffhanger
This campaign also makes me want a new area of the moon to explore that’s added on kinda like they did with the plague lands in destiny 1
When I got into Shadowkeep as my first journey into Destiny 2, I was like "This whole thing got carry by the contents from Red War and Forsaken"
4:50 Why is there a revision zero bot there?
The footage was filmed during season of the seraph?
@@Nanokk_ Oh, I thought you could only find them in the exotic mission
Destiny players have any media literacy challenge: impossible.
What?
The first time I finished Shadowkeep I didn't realize, I was left like "Wait, are we done? That's it?"
This is the only destiny campaign I haven’t replayed on all 3 characters, including D1. My hunter will never get that dream bane set.
I’ll die on the hill that Curse of Osiris was overhated in some ways
My biggest issue was that panoptes felt too easy
But we got building story plots like time travel, saints resurrection, the possible future of the city
We also got cool weapons, a new but small area, a look at the beauty of past mercury, armour sets, character development for Osiris, Ikora and Sagira
and some other bits (so while it failed in many ways I enjoyed it, a new major vex boss was a nice surprise too and shows what future potential bosses could be like)
As for warmind (I loved that too, things like alters of sorrow and escalation protocol were so great to farm and enjoy)
To be fair it was kinda filler to let us know the blackfleet was coming
Shadowkeep was just an overpriced teaser for beyond light
I don't even care about the plot. Shadowkeep's missions just never felt fun to me so I will *never* play them.
Still think Lightfall is objectively the worst DLC, even worse than Shadowkeep. Shadowkeep reworked the whole mod armor system (that we still use today). It introduced the Artifact system (that we still use today). Added finishers and the Finisher mods (that we still use today). It introduced champions which the game desperately needed back then (and we still have them today). Shadowkeep was the last DLC to launch with a Dungeon included. Shadowkeep was the last DLC to launch with new PvP maps included (yes really). It introduced the Seasonal model that was used for the following 5 years (and you could get everything on the pass for free back then). It had a raid that didn't take 2 hours to beat (unlike Lightfall). And it had objectively the best Raid exotic for Endgame content ever (Divinity was a REQUIREMENT for all raid races for the next 2 years before it was nerfed. No other exotic retained that level of high status for that long). The biggest downside of Shadowkeep is the story but unlike Lightfall, Shadowkeeps story wasn't at a crucial narrative part in the franchise. It wasn't a good story at all, but Lightfall was supposed to be the "infinity war" equivalent for the overall narrative, and took place in the Third Act of the Franchises narrative...and it was a complete disaster. More people complained about Lightfalls story then any other release besides maybe D1 Vanilla's narrative. The biggest critique being that it was nonsensical and most players had no idea what was going on at any given time (or what the Veil was). No one cared about Rohan or Nimbus, many found them to be annoying. All of this is well documented on Steams reviews for Lightfall, which is the lowest of any Destiny DLC release. Most of Shadowkeeps negative reviews are from years after it's release (due to Bungie's awful pricing of old content).
Shadowkeep had a TON of long lasting benefits. The only real long lasting benefit Lightfall has is Strand and Conditional Finality. Shadowkeep was also made with a fraction of the budget LF was, and Bungie publicly stated before Shadowkeeps release that the Activision split forced them to make Shadowkeep smaller than they would have liked. LF didn't have this limitation (WQ made more money than any Destiny DLC ever, even under Activision as per the GDC presentation). We still benefit from Shadowkeep even now, not so much form Lightfall. Too bad no one will read all this.
Well hey, I took the time to read all of this, and I appreciate you taking the time to write this under my video. These kind of comments are genuinely my favorite. From that perspective I agree shadowkeep is better, but as a standalone package today with the content provided with the purchase, I would rather get lightfall since I find the raid more enjoyable (not by much), it comes with strand, and the campaign is bad, but at least it doesn't make me bored to death like shadowkeep does. Keep in mind I don't like lightfall, my review of lightfall is going to be mean and unforgiving, but I would still rather replay lightfall over shadowkeep. Once again, I appreciate the comment!
13:46 We not gonna talk about that...
Yeah its my interpretation of that cutscene
pov: Shadowkeep hurt you as a child
I was in fact in highschool when this dropped
The only cool thing about this expansion was being inside the pyramid
Also keep in mind that, while we for some fucking reason have a nightmare about Fikrul, *he’s not fucking dead*. He is literally still alive because Scorn.
I’d say “At least let us fight Uldren” if they weren’t such fucking cowards about enemy variety they treat the slightest bit of variety in over a decade as a technical triumph.
Still my favorite strike. Music as you're going up the elevator unmatched
I have a quicl question about the pyramind at 3:19 , it's supposed to be associated with the final shape witness dude right? If so, it seems pretty cool that they had the pyramid thing back then but what does that actually mean that the pyramids keep appearing everywhere in this DLC, in beyond light and witch queen
edit: I watched the full video and u talk about it
It’s Nezarec’s personal pyramid ship. I’m pretty sure the other ones are under the Witness’ command and act as extensions of its will, except for the one in Witch Queen which is Rhulk’s pyramid ship.
@@provaricus627 i see. it's pretty cool they started this so long ago but maybe they took too long to handle this. that shadowkeep ending is way too vague for something that will pay off in 4 years time. Bungie thinks this is kingdom hearts
while I think now this expansion has aged horribly and wasn't good as it was, it brought a lot of features with it that made the game a lot more interesting. (those features have been iterated on a lot since, mostly armor 2.0). I think largely the reason I don't despise this expansion as much as I might hate lightfall is because the way it was marketed they made it clear that this would be a pretty large retread of old ground with some poor and unengaging mechanics. I find it kind of easier to excuse this expansions large shortcomings because of the way it was marketed and with the recent split from Activision meaning a lot of development resources they had back then were now gone.
With that said, they absolutely should not be charging anything for this dumpster fire of an expansion and I'd argue the raid and dungeon really arent worth the money either.
Yeah shadowkeep was definitely bad, but I do understand why it was bad. This was during the transition from Activision partnership to bungie solo publishing. In forsaken bungie had the help of several other studios which enabled them to pump out content like three raids, menagerie, forges, etc. Shadowkeep was first expansion where it was literally just bungie and they were migrating the game to steam and f2p. The raid was pretty cool though and definitely one of the more unique raids in the game.
if i am being honest shadowkeep is like a bridge to introduce darkness power like stasis
its like ligthfall ,curse of osiris and warmind but better
below other expansion like beyond light,red war , witch queen and forsaken
its not bad but not good either
it serve as middle barrier between good and bad
I started this game just before beyond light and ran through the campaigns and legitimately couldn't tell that shadow keep was a campaign I just thought it was a story mission peppered in as I unlocked the moon. I've run it twice since and I still couldn't tell you wtf happens.
Honestly, I hated this storyline. After it ended, I kept doing random quests, hoping to continue it, because I thought it wasn't over
Dude I keep checking the date of this video while I watch it. It seems like this was meant to come out shortly after shadow keep, not just before the final shape 💀
I've had the script finished since January, but because of personal stuff and other projects coming first it took a while to come out. I needed it out before the Final Shape tho
@@Nanokk_ I see, I still enjoyed the video
Up next lightfall and beyond light
At least let him play a good expansion in Witch Queen before throwing him to the dogs. 💀
This isnt even slight cap, after the high that was Forsaken, Shadowkeep made me quit within a few weeks lol, also it brought us one of the worst implemented features ever, champions.