I love how people are saying that the Gearbox issue is Lewis's fault no driver that has been in the sport has made a mistake like pressing neutral in the middle of a race in fact it's rare and the likely problems that would happen is if someone downshifts by accident when peeling something of their visor Kovalainen is one example this happened in melbourne
nah in F1 u can only go from a gear into neutral from 3rd gear down. So it's impossible for him to do that from 7th. Plus if McLaren really wanted him to win the championship that year they'd have put him on a 2 stop rather than a 3 stop, then he'd have got 5th place easily.
Well Ferrari didn't develop the car for Kimi in 09 but i agree he was incredible. Motivation and friendship Kimi and Felipe had was unique and best teammates ever. Sad that the Hungarian accident had to happen.
@@jdani000 I know that but he had the pace for P4 at least Lewis would have been quicker than Kubica and Webber he was only just behind both before the gearbox glitched as long as Lewis was lower than 5th Ferrari would have still swapped Felipe and Kimi but it wouldn’t have happened if Lewis didn’t have the issue. Paddy Lowe said that if the gearbox reset a few seconds quicker Lewis would have caught up to P5.
@@darylyatestransportblogs Lewis would have become a champion if he hadn't gone to gravel at the Chinese Grand Prix, through his own fault. and yet, the problem with the gearbox always leads to a descent, I'm sure that Lewis just pressed the wrong switch in Brazil, and turned on the neutral gear mode.
@@carsismyaddiction6919 It would have depended if Lewis would have finished ahead of Fernando if not then Lewis have have had to wait until Brazil but have won the title with the extra points he didn't score Lewis learned from it though.
For those that think he hit the pit lane limiter, please do some research. The button he hit was actually the neutral button and then tried to upshift to 1st. The limiter is on the other side of the wheel.
He didn't even hit any of the buttons so what are you talking about? He only starts moving his thumbs after his gearbox craps out. McLaren confirmed this was nothing to do with Hamilton straight after the race and the journalist who claimed that Hamilton admitted he caused it himself was forced to retract his statement when he got caught out spreading misinformation.
@baggabliss if they wanted mclaren to give up the championship they would have made in a way so that it's 100% clear. After the penalty hamilton won the next two races and with two races left kimi had to win both of them to become champion. One dnf and one of the mclarens would've won. They had 4 races to let kimi win they would have made sure he won and not relied on so much luck
@baggabliss 1. The FIA did everything in the mid 2000's to stop the ferrari dominance. They changed the tyre rules in 2005 and they penalized schumacher in monaco the following year. Ferrari didn't get away with everything at that time. 2. We're talking about lewis hamilton the rookie. He was in his first season and his tyres were basically slicks. The pit lane is always much wetter than the track so it's an easy mistake to make for a rookie on those tyres. 3. What is he supposed to do while sitting in the car? Look at his reaction in china he was devastated. Ron dennis has never been famous for being emotional so you can't really expect much of a reaction from him
More I look at what happened that day, from the random gearbox glitch to BMW and Williams' fuel irregularities being covered up, the more I suspect Spygate decided this championship.
A gearbox only fails if the mechanical components fail and if the mechanical bits can handle it, the ecu should cope quite easily. Can an F1 driver change from 7 to N without pressing the N button? Yes. by downshifting the paddle changer 7times. Hamilton did not. Did ham press the N button? yes but seconds after he was already in neutral. Since Hamilton did not, who did? His race engineers. I think Ron Denis should apologise to this boy for selling him out to ferrari.
Wow the conspiracy theory hights a new high. There was no way that the pits can control a cars electronics. All they can and could do was monitor the information the car sends the pits and relay it to the driver.
It's looking good at the moment... Ahh man, you jinxed it! (I am not a Lewis fan, but back in the day it was different) Btw, i found this video in my recommended tab, so yeah cool, good work.
i think you somewhat misunderstand that concept. when upshifting the system would sync by lowering the revs in relation to the speed of the car in the given gear but when downshifting, the engine would have to sync by raising the revs. and if the engine is already turning at 18000+ rpms then the system cant match the revs as it would put the revs at above the limit of 19000 so you would be denied the gear change by the electronic system
That would mean Hamilton fucked it up prior to this race and that is impossible. Looks at China or Nürburgring or other races. It has to be McLaren or the FIA or Ferrari or even F1 itself because he's BLACK
He could have secured championship in China already and that DNF was his fault so nothing to do with bad luck. And while Hamilton's talent is undeniable he HAS been lucky enough to drive in race winning cars his entire career. Not everyone are lucky enough to be at right place at right time
Agree 07/08 were fantastic! Too bad for all those who deserted F1 crying over the V8's..."They destroyed the sport, it will be boring now, I'm not gonna watch"...well to bad for you! People are saying the same with the turbo V6's... I say, let's wait and see! Remember, for the 1998 seson people where also crying and deserting the sport! Cars as narrow as your moms Ford Fiesta and NO SLICKS, and what happed: The epic Hakkinen vs. Schumacher seasons...what many know call "the good old days"!
People still cry over spilt milk. Personally I've come to terms with all the combinations and permutations associated with any fandom. It's funny how, a 2013 comment feels so vintage. It's the same in Pokemon. People still crave the old nostalgia and shame new things. Truth is true fans will stay for the sport the way it is. There are certain decisions made by certain companies, which wouldn't make sense for most people. Doesn't mean they are right or wrong :)
every technical detail i gave in my explaination of how these transmissions work is 100% true. youre mistaking the role of the electronics. they can engage and disengage a clutch but they cant control the speed it rotates. and with the clutch engaged the car must be slowing to decrease engine speed. IT CANNOT BE DONE ELECTRONICALLY WITHOUT SLOWING THE CAR. how can you have such "deep knowledge" but not understand that very basic principle
Something fishy about that season! Lewis should have won in China which would have given him the title but was left out way too long on shredded tyres so couldn’t slow the car down into the pit entry! Then this random failure that suddenly corrected itself and was perfect from then on 🤷🏼♂️
I don't if he couldn't slow down or aquaplaned... The pits may have been just wetter than the track since no cars have been sweeping the water off the desired line or warming up the tarmac each lap
@@thbabni it had nothing to do with aquaplaning. He just couldn’t slow down the car because his tires were literally down to the carcass layer, so basically very little rubber and 0 grip. Also the fact that the treads on those inters had long gone meant he was on slicks on a wet track. Combined with the tire wearing down to the carcass, it would’ve been very difficult to stop the car.
A seasoned driver would have pitted dispite what the pits were saying. He is looking directly at the tires and knew their condition. Once the pirs saw the tures fir themselves tge would gave agreed. All ge gad to do was say I'm coming for tire next time around but ge didn't. A rokkye mistake by him.
during an upshift the ecu performs a rev-match by retarding the fuel flow to the cylinders to slow the engine speed so when the clutch re-engages the flywheel, theyre not rotating at different speeds. its reversed for a downshift with the throttle being blipped to increase engine speed. now if youre engine/flywheel are rotating at 18000+ rpms and you try to downshift the ecu will dictate that in order to match the engine speed to the speed the clutch plates are rotating the engine/flywheel...
There was still a massive chance in Brazil, even after the gearbox issue. McLaren blew the title for HAM in this race by needlessly putting him on a 3 stop strategy on a track where the time loss in the pits (compared to other tracks) is MASSIVE.
teppana idk about that. He had trouble keeping pace with the Ferrari. Hence the big gap in the last race of the season and him coming in third. Same thing happened in China that year. They were both championship winning cars but I think the Ferrari was a bit faster.
I think he will keep he's place and i believe Kimi rumors are real. Luca has said himself that he is not happy how Fernando just shits all over the car and puts himself before the team. And maybe they want to continue where they left off in 09, since Fernando has not been able to win any title. The reasons why Felipe won't do good now are. 1. No motivation for a racing driver to always become second or behind Fernando. 2. 09 Hungary accident. 3.They develop the car for Fernando only.
...rev matching cant magically keep the revs low in a lower gear with the wheels never slowing. rev matching only keeps you from having to lift your foot from the accelerator during gear changes. the gear changes are so fast that all aspects of the process must be controlled by electronics aside from you telling the system when to change. he couldnt downshift from such high rpms. forget the electronics. this is a mechanical issue
it looks like a mistake to me. at 0:18 he either tries to downshift or use the clutch paddle and thats the exact moment he goes into neutral. now at over 18000 rpms you dont downshift and theres no use for the clutch once the race is under way unless youre trying to prevent stalling. so what do you think he was doing with his left hand when he wentt into neutral?
This has to be the only common sense comment in the section. I never realised about it, but that must be the reason: He downshifted while RPMs where too high so the car went into neutral to protect the engine to go over 18.000 revs and break the engine.
3 WDC more race wins than any current driver on the grid. Won championships in different teams. outgunned a 2 time world champion in his debut season. Yea he's worthy of a seat in F1
Didn't outgun really, he was Dennis's protege since a child, who publicly stated in China 07 "we are not racing Kimi, we are racing Alonso". That says much.
Electan go Yeah, after Alonso fucked up their relationship so badly and if it wasnt for the 2 last horrible weekends, Alonso wouldn't even come close in the standing.
@@electango9166 And how did this "we were racing Alonso" strategy help Hamilton? Lol. It destroyed his race. Hamilton was leading Alonso by 20s before Ron made the call to keep him put on tyres down to the canvas instead of switching for a fresh set. This helped Alonso catch right up to the back of Hamilton, from being 20s behind, before Hamilton slid into the gravel. China and the mysterious gearbox issue in Brazil are the reasons people believe McLaren sabotaged Hamilton in the last 2 races as part of an agreement with Max Mosley that no McLaren driver would win the title because of Spygate. Alonso was certainly not sabotaged in China or Brazil and actually had preferential treatment from Ron Dennis in the first 5 races before he started giving his drivers equal fuel loads starting in Canada.
Furthermore, that quali crash was about lewis's only mechanical failure barring brazil. Ferrari had loads, most notably poor old massa at hungary!! He was like 3 laps from the win. Also, it was pretty much common knowledge that the mclaren was the faster car overall in 2007, hamilton said so in his interview after this very race. Ferrari also conceded that they could not compete with mclaren at several gp's. And hamilton did bottle it in China. Twas his responsibilty! And as for brazil...
nothing from the wheels to the clutch is controlled electronically. only the engine speed can be altered ("by manipulation of the throttle")but it has to be matched to that of the clutch disc which is dictated by the speed the wheels are spinning.
Fact: Hamilton finally had bad luck that season. He didn't have a failure all season long and even when he did the system reset. Kimi had multiple failures, spain and europe. He deserved to win the world championship.
Hindsight... How do you know Kimi would have won the races he had failures in?! Bad luck... it happens! This race too... It happens... China 2007 for Lewis... All he had to do was finish the race but McLaren had other plans leaving him to get into the damp pits on canvas... Malaysia 2016... The 2012 season...
at least someone understands something about transmissions. i originally thought that maybe him trying to downshift from too high an rpm couldve caused the default but i read somewhere that the ecu would over-ride your command to shift to protect from over-revving. but abuse of this can cause confusion in the system so i dunno if its hamiltons mistake or not.
revs are not irrelevant. i know you downshift before a corner but you gotta lose some engine speed before you shift down. im not speculating on what hamilton did to cause this. its just wierd that hes making a downshift motion with his left hand when he shouldnt have been downshifting so it looks out of the ordinary
i use my engine to slow my street car so thats not anything non-racers wouldnt understand. my whole point is that you gotta reduce rpms before downshifting but you dont seem to understand the basic principles of manual transmissions. he was at over 18000 rpms so downshifting woulda put him well over the 19000 rpm limit.
his rpm gauge is still above 18000 rpms when he moves his left hand so forget how much speed you estimate he shoulda lost in the fraction of a second between braking and downshifting. all you gotta do is see where the rpm gauge is when his left hand makes the movement im talking about. at least youve come to agree that speed must be reduced before he can engage a lower gear if hes at 18000+ rpms. ill take that as a win.
i came up with this on my own but its true. its just that i have a good understanding of how a transmission works be it semi-auto or manual. they work the same but semi-auto is just controlled by electronics and manual is all you. do you disagree with my understanding of rev-matching or the fact that you would be denied the gear change due to over-rev protection? i CAN provide a link about the gear change denial.
yes! a youtube video does prove my arguement. its visual proof of what ive been saying all along: you have to slow the car before downshifting from 7th when youre at over 18k rpms and this video shows it. remember me saying that in every comment while you denied it? how is it impossible to tell from a youtube video? theres no better proof than seeing it with your own eyes. and yes i have time on my hands. i check for your replies quite often whenever i get a chance
forget the links. you seem to fail to realize that even a formula 1 transmission follows the same basic workings of any standard manual transmission. they essentially function the same. the electronics simply perform the gear change. you obviously misunderstand the concept of rev matching if you think it can make the engine turn slower in a lower gear without considering the speed of the wheels. once the clutch is re-engaged its strictly a mechanical issue from the engine to the wheels
...speed must be increased(becase its a downshift). once again at over 18000 rpms this match cant be made and you will be denied the gear change by the ecu. this means the downshift paddle will do nothing
Alonso force Hamilton out + team order...Kemi and Ferrari won't won that championship... You can feel McLaren team worry about their's boy... But Alonso did his revenge later...
actually im not out to PROVE hamilton caused this. ive said from the beginning that the car has to slow before he can access a lower gear. he didnt slow before he tried to downshift so i said that was odd. im suggesting its possible that driver error may have contributed to this in some way. you denied he has to slow the car before going into a lower gear due to electronic control and youre wrong. thats what im arguing against. you need to re-read the conversation cuz youre lost
Im not confusing 2007 with 2008. The race at the nurburgring 2007 at the start, there was unreal rain and half the field went straight on at turn 1. The race was stopped and markus winkelhock was on pole for the re-start in his first gp. Hamilton was the only driver pulled out of the gravel out of 7 cars and he got to unlap himself straight away. I have the F1 dvd review for 2007...cos kimi won the championship. yeah!!! So its your confusing your years dude. Alonso pipped massa for the win.
I am pretty sure it was prescripted "error". Pretty sure McLaren and FIA had some secret agreement that McLaren would escape the scandal without some great punishment but Hamilton would not get the title. So Mac engineers programmed the 40 second error into gearbox computer.
No... sometimes your laptop/PC freezes and has a problem... a glitch and nothing is working. You wait a while to see if the problem resolves but then you go to the last resort... turning it off and on. Any issue on any complex electronics you first try to turn it off and on and thats what Lewis did... this is still relevant today in F1 as a last resort.
This dude may be a clown, but what he is saying makes sense. You cant downshift near redline, you have to wash of some speed first. Thats all he's saying.
Nurburgring 2007?? Do you really want to open that can of worms. Half the field went off at turn 1 during the deluge of rain (interstingly-not kimi..or alonso or massa). Hamilton got a lift out of the gravel. Then off the re-start he gets to unlap himself, then mclaren put him on dry tyres. If their plan had worked, he could have won the race?? Ive never seen such bullshit! He should never have been lifted out of the gravel. It was unlucky Kimi that had an engine failure at the nurburgring!!
Give it a rest - He was pressing the team radio button (to talk to either the drivers or team staff at the GP or back in Woking) There is no conspiracy here.
Even Autosport magazine has acknowledged a couple of times that its likely some behind closed doors deal was made at the spygate hearing between the FIA and Mclaren which enabled them to carry on racing in 2007 on the provision they didnt win the title.
he was ABOVE 18k and trust me the difference between 6th and 7th would certainly be more than 1000 rpms. ok if you dont think they have to reduce revs before downshifting i found a video for you to watch: watch?v=245LV6kN4Lc this video is of massa in '07 and watch when he slows from high revs from 7th gear. he doesnt downshift as he brakes. his downshift to 6th is delayed until he reduces revs
i never denied anything about how he says a semi-auto gearbox works. i know how they work. if you read back far enough youd see hes just adding extra shit that nobody mentioned before he brought it up. all im saying is what was hamilton doing with his left hand before his gearbox went into neutral?(please dont answer that question as its rhetorical) its that simple but yall go on and on about the tech specs of a semi-auto tranny. get your mind out of the gutter
That's hilarious! he's lucky he's a world champion at all, he completely bottled it in 2007 then completely bottled it in 1008, and was saved by the rain!
i know exactly what a semi-auto gearbox is. i dont need you too look it up on wikipedia and quote the specifics to me. i love how all you wanna-be f1 engineers get on here and pretend you know something. i watch f1 plenty. youre wrong about downshifting procedures going into turns also. maybe you need to look that up on wiki and come discuss this further
imbecile? haha who still says that? anyway, i dont think you understand what rev-matching is. in any transmission if you shift down from a higher gear without slowing down the car the engine will spin faster because of the lower gears ratio. this is a mechanical issue and no electronics can compensate for this. the engine speed is forced to increase in this situation. therefore you must slow the car which in turn slows the engine speed before you shift down. this goes for semi- auto...
I love how Fernando own him in 3rd corner .... this is why Lewis gets mad and start pressing wrong buttons. Fernando should be 2007 WDC ... FIA robbed Alonso when they moved him 5 positions back in Hungary. Anyway we all know who is he best driver, the one who really can fight cars 1 second faster.
Yeah.. You conveniently forgot how Alonso crashed in Fuji or how he drove like a Rookie in Canada 2007 completely missing all the braking points or how he was unable to overtake Hamilton in Indianapolis.(That's all Ron Dennis fault right????) Best driver my a.. In 2007 Hamilton got 6 poles to 2 for Alonso. Put them in the same car today and Lewis will blow him out of the water especially in qualifying. Keep believing the hype.. LOL. You are underrating Hamilton. Put Verstappen in Hamilton's seat in 2007 and he would have been in NO position to win the WDC. That's how strong Lewis is. Alonso was lucky Hamilton's 2 last races were a nightmare: the penultimate for a mistake(China) and the last(Brazil) for a gearbox issue otherwise it would have been an embarassement of epic proportions. The best thing he did for his career and reputation has been to run away from Lewis, just like Rosberg after his only WDC. :D
This is all you got?? Lewis just like Serena Williams, doesn't get the credits he deserves because he is of the WRONG color. Had Lewis been involved(like Alonso) in big scandals like SpyGate and Crashgate, his career would have been finished long ago.
As far as Im concerned, Hamilton deserved what he got. All year, the McLaren had bulletproof reliability, i even think they had the fastest car, and he should have wrapped it up in China. But NO, he bottled it there and bottled it off the start in Brazil. The Ferrari's had reliability issues but still got the job done where it mattered most. Raikkonen had nerves of ice to win here and china and spa. Guess thats why they call him the iceman. NB- This was a gearbox failure! not a mistake
"unless Kimi can find a way past Massa"
Haha, yeah, I wonder how on earth he will manage that...
:D :D :D
"Felipe let Kimi pass for the Championship title"
@@Larravok Multi Map 1-2
@@Larravok Technically speaking team orders were banned but overcutting your teammate was not
@@jussieronen3707 Yeah, only Alonso in Hockenhaim 2010 passed teammate because of team orders...
the moment lewis realised the reason why kimi left mclaren
I think he realised that in 2012. When he was a walking reliability problem.
Time flies and now he realised Mercedes has no future :)
that prediction was just beautiful
What prediction?
The voiceover is scripted
I love how people are saying that the Gearbox issue is Lewis's fault no driver that has been in the sport has made a mistake like pressing neutral in the middle of a race in fact it's rare and the likely problems that would happen is if someone downshifts by accident when peeling something of their visor
Kovalainen is one example this happened in melbourne
It's no even car's fault fia jammed the gearbox
@@tifosi_mehmet61 Terrible comment.
@@Jejking not really, McLaren cheated with spygate and to have them win a championship would have been a bad look on the sport.
nah in F1 u can only go from a gear into neutral from 3rd gear down. So it's impossible for him to do that from 7th. Plus if McLaren really wanted him to win the championship that year they'd have put him on a 2 stop rather than a 3 stop, then he'd have got 5th place easily.
Well Ferrari didn't develop the car for Kimi in 09 but i agree he was incredible. Motivation and friendship Kimi and Felipe had was unique and best teammates ever. Sad that the Hungarian accident had to happen.
when you are leading an online race but lag happens :D
This moment was when Lewis lost the championship, becuase althought he made a terrible start, he was in sixth position with a lot of laps to go.
Lewis would have finished 4th at least without the gearbox problem and won the title easily.
He just needed p5 to win. He would have still won from p7 if Massa didn't swap places with Kimi
@@jdani000 I know that but he had the pace for P4 at least Lewis would have been quicker than Kubica and Webber he was only just behind both before the gearbox glitched as long as Lewis was lower than 5th Ferrari would have still swapped Felipe and Kimi but it wouldn’t have happened if Lewis didn’t have the issue. Paddy Lowe said that if the gearbox reset a few seconds quicker Lewis would have caught up to P5.
@@darylyatestransportblogs Lewis would have become a champion if he hadn't gone to gravel at the Chinese Grand Prix, through his own fault. and yet, the problem with the gearbox always leads to a descent, I'm sure that Lewis just pressed the wrong switch in Brazil, and turned on the neutral gear mode.
@@carsismyaddiction6919 It would have depended if Lewis would have finished ahead of Fernando if not then Lewis have have had to wait until Brazil but have won the title with the extra points he didn't score Lewis learned from it though.
Shows how good he is, the thing that cost him the championship was a mechanical problem.
Yeah getting stuck in the gravel in China had nothing to do
@@MDgp5dl doesn't matter, China was on him
@@noobednatherium4082 wdym it's on him ? Those tyres were shredding off ,go watch the highlights again .How you expect him 2 do anything?
@@MDgp5dl he took the turn as if he was in the dry, you didn't watch the onboard did you?
@@MDgp5dl It was well a rookie mistake
For those that think he hit the pit lane limiter, please do some research. The button he hit was actually the neutral button and then tried to upshift to 1st. The limiter is on the other side of the wheel.
He didn't even hit any of the buttons so what are you talking about? He only starts moving his thumbs after his gearbox craps out. McLaren confirmed this was nothing to do with Hamilton straight after the race and the journalist who claimed that Hamilton admitted he caused it himself was forced to retract his statement when he got caught out spreading misinformation.
baggabliss it’s a stretch but hey anything can happen
This is an amazing theory. I hope you can bring amazing evidence to support it
@baggabliss if they wanted mclaren to give up the championship they would have made in a way so that it's 100% clear. After the penalty hamilton won the next two races and with two races left kimi had to win both of them to become champion. One dnf and one of the mclarens would've won. They had 4 races to let kimi win they would have made sure he won and not relied on so much luck
@baggabliss
1. The FIA did everything in the mid 2000's to stop the ferrari dominance. They changed the tyre rules in 2005 and they penalized schumacher in monaco the following year. Ferrari didn't get away with everything at that time.
2. We're talking about lewis hamilton the rookie. He was in his first season and his tyres were basically slicks. The pit lane is always much wetter than the track so it's an easy mistake to make for a rookie on those tyres.
3. What is he supposed to do while sitting in the car? Look at his reaction in china he was devastated. Ron dennis has never been famous for being emotional so you can't really expect much of a reaction from him
More I look at what happened that day, from the random gearbox glitch to BMW and Williams' fuel irregularities being covered up, the more I suspect Spygate decided this championship.
A gearbox only fails if the mechanical components fail and if the mechanical bits can handle it, the ecu should cope quite easily. Can an F1 driver change from 7 to N without pressing the N button? Yes. by downshifting the paddle changer 7times. Hamilton did not.
Did ham press the N button? yes but seconds after he was already in neutral.
Since Hamilton did not, who did? His race engineers. I think Ron Denis should apologise to this boy for selling him out to ferrari.
are you sure this happened?
Wow the conspiracy theory hights a new high. There was no way that the pits can control a cars electronics. All they can and could do was monitor the information the car sends the pits and relay it to the driver.
"we can't have a black kid winning the title in his rookie season"
"Copy that. Wait one minute"
or when 2014 it was double points to help rosberg in Abu Dhabi. f1 think they are slick
Ferrari when they saw hamiltons gearbox issue
"FELIPE, GET OUT THE FACKING WAY!"
Don't shout there ***** sake
It's looking good at the moment...
Ahh man, you jinxed it! (I am not a Lewis fan, but back in the day it was different)
Btw, i found this video in my recommended tab, so yeah cool, good work.
It wasn't jinxed, it was Commentated over for race highlights
i think you somewhat misunderstand that concept. when upshifting the system would sync by lowering the revs in relation to the speed of the car in the given gear but when downshifting, the engine would have to sync by raising the revs. and if the engine is already turning at 18000+ rpms then the system cant match the revs as it would put the revs at above the limit of 19000 so you would be denied the gear change by the electronic system
So much talk of McLaren sabotaging Hamilton here but that season Hamilton car was literally bulletproof
That would mean Hamilton fucked it up prior to this race and that is impossible. Looks at China or Nürburgring or other races. It has to be McLaren or the FIA or Ferrari or even F1 itself because he's BLACK
"hAmIlToN iS sO lUcKy!"
2 races in a row bad luck lost him the championship.
China was his fault tho
@@deekay2578 also McLaren’s Ferrari impression
Kimi had more reliability issues than both of the Mclarens combined but still won in the end, I'd say that He lost due to the fuck up in China.
China was absolutely his fault so there you go
He could have secured championship in China already and that DNF was his fault so nothing to do with bad luck. And while Hamilton's talent is undeniable he HAS been lucky enough to drive in race winning cars his entire career. Not everyone are lucky enough to be at right place at right time
Agree 07/08 were fantastic!
Too bad for all those who deserted F1 crying over the V8's..."They destroyed the sport, it will be boring now, I'm not gonna watch"...well to bad for you!
People are saying the same with the turbo V6's... I say, let's wait and see!
Remember, for the 1998 seson people where also crying and deserting the sport! Cars as narrow as your moms Ford Fiesta and NO SLICKS, and what happed: The epic Hakkinen vs. Schumacher seasons...what many know call "the good old days"!
People still cry over spilt milk. Personally I've come to terms with all the combinations and permutations associated with any fandom. It's funny how, a 2013 comment feels so vintage. It's the same in Pokemon. People still crave the old nostalgia and shame new things. Truth is true fans will stay for the sport the way it is. There are certain decisions made by certain companies, which wouldn't make sense for most people. Doesn't mean they are right or wrong :)
Don’t worry Mr Max Mosley we will make sure Hamilton doesn’t win this year. Please don’t ban us for next season.
What a way to lose the championship, Lewis should be at least a double world champion.
He's 3 time Champ now
Four now.
Five.
Make it six this year!
Now schduled for 8
We hated this era of f1 at the time…. But if only we knew what we had
Seriously? At that time i was very young so i don't have an idea about it. Did it have a connection with Schumacher's retirement?
you only appreciate things when you lose them
Not back then, he was one of the fastest back then.
I mean Mclaren either lost the championship on purpose or they were told to since they were found guilty of cheating
every technical detail i gave in my explaination of how these transmissions work is 100% true. youre mistaking the role of the electronics. they can engage and disengage a clutch but they cant control the speed it rotates. and with the clutch engaged the car must be slowing to decrease engine speed. IT CANNOT BE DONE ELECTRONICALLY WITHOUT SLOWING THE CAR. how can you have such "deep knowledge" but not understand that very basic principle
0:23 NOOOOO!!!!! He's slowing down!!!
Hey guys, you remember when F1 was an actual sport?
Something fishy about that season! Lewis should have won in China which would have given him the title but was left out way too long on shredded tyres so couldn’t slow the car down into the pit entry! Then this random failure that suddenly corrected itself and was perfect from then on 🤷🏼♂️
I don't if he couldn't slow down or aquaplaned... The pits may have been just wetter than the track since no cars have been sweeping the water off the desired line or warming up the tarmac each lap
@@thbabni it had nothing to do with aquaplaning. He just couldn’t slow down the car because his tires were literally down to the carcass layer, so basically very little rubber and 0 grip. Also the fact that the treads on those inters had long gone meant he was on slicks on a wet track. Combined with the tire wearing down to the carcass, it would’ve been very difficult to stop the car.
A seasoned driver would have pitted dispite what the pits were saying. He is looking directly at the tires and knew their condition. Once the pirs saw the tures fir themselves tge would gave agreed. All ge gad to do was say I'm coming for tire next time around but ge didn't. A rokkye mistake by him.
during an upshift the ecu performs a rev-match by retarding the fuel flow to the cylinders to slow the engine speed so when the clutch re-engages the flywheel, theyre not rotating at different speeds. its reversed for a downshift with the throttle being blipped to increase engine speed. now if youre engine/flywheel are rotating at 18000+ rpms and you try to downshift the ecu will dictate that in order to match the engine speed to the speed the clutch plates are rotating the engine/flywheel...
For me they lost it more in China. That was even more unnecessary
There was still a massive chance in Brazil, even after the gearbox issue. McLaren blew the title for HAM in this race by needlessly putting him on a 3 stop strategy on a track where the time loss in the pits (compared to other tracks) is MASSIVE.
Ni pensar, q este sit llego a ser 7 campeonatos, mi dio ..very lucky🙉🤣
@muddwell The funny thing is that electronics already are built to not shift down if it would mean the engine would overrev.
in 2007 Hamilton had no luck, in 2008 he had ton of luck
Kimi was the one who had no luck in 2007 dude, but he still won in the end.
@@papa_mia4495 Hamilton deserved it more than Raikkonen in 07. Raikkonen did more mistakes than Hamilton and benefited from mclaren fucking up.
teppana idk about that. He had trouble keeping pace with the Ferrari. Hence the big gap in the last race of the season and him coming in third. Same thing happened in China that year. They were both championship winning cars but I think the Ferrari was a bit faster.
He had absolutely no luck in 2012 and 2016 either.
@@INFEDnoX He had all the luck in 2021 till the last race lol
It wasnt a gearbox problem. He wanted to press the radio, but press the pit limiter
it was because the gearbox went in neutral first look at the telemetry
And he lost the 2021 championship by pressing the magic button accidentally in Baku
I think he will keep he's place and i believe Kimi rumors are real. Luca has said himself that he is not happy how Fernando just shits all over the car and puts himself before the team. And maybe they want to continue where they left off in 09, since Fernando has not been able to win any title. The reasons why Felipe won't do good now are.
1. No motivation for a racing driver to always become second or behind Fernando.
2. 09 Hungary accident.
3.They develop the car for Fernando only.
False false and falser yet, lol
...rev matching cant magically keep the revs low in a lower gear with the wheels never slowing. rev matching only keeps you from having to lift your foot from the accelerator during gear changes. the gear changes are so fast that all aspects of the process must be controlled by electronics aside from you telling the system when to change. he couldnt downshift from such high rpms. forget the electronics. this is a mechanical issue
it looks like a mistake to me. at 0:18 he either tries to downshift or use the clutch paddle and thats the exact moment he goes into neutral. now at over 18000 rpms you dont downshift and theres no use for the clutch once the race is under way unless youre trying to prevent stalling. so what do you think he was doing with his left hand when he wentt into neutral?
This has to be the only common sense comment in the section. I never realised about it, but that must be the reason: He downshifted while RPMs where too high so the car went into neutral to protect the engine to go over 18.000 revs and break the engine.
but that was durring good old days when ferrari actually let their drivers to race each other
3 WDC more race wins than any current driver on the grid. Won championships in different teams. outgunned a 2 time world champion in his debut season. Yea he's worthy of a seat in F1
Didn't outgun really, he was Dennis's protege since a child, who publicly stated in China 07 "we are not racing Kimi, we are racing Alonso". That says much.
Electan go Yeah, after Alonso fucked up their relationship so badly and if it wasnt for the 2 last horrible weekends, Alonso wouldn't even come close in the standing.
@@electango9166 And how did this "we were racing Alonso" strategy help Hamilton? Lol. It destroyed his race.
Hamilton was leading Alonso by 20s before Ron made the call to keep him put on tyres down to the canvas instead of switching for a fresh set. This helped Alonso catch right up to the back of Hamilton, from being 20s behind, before Hamilton slid into the gravel.
China and the mysterious gearbox issue in Brazil are the reasons people believe McLaren sabotaged Hamilton in the last 2 races as part of an agreement with Max Mosley that no McLaren driver would win the title because of Spygate.
Alonso was certainly not sabotaged in China or Brazil and actually had preferential treatment from Ron Dennis in the first 5 races before he started giving his drivers equal fuel loads starting in Canada.
@@electango9166 Yes after Alonso snitched on a serious case. For that he should have got a bell in his head but maybe that will come soon
Furthermore, that quali crash was about lewis's only mechanical failure barring brazil. Ferrari had loads, most notably poor old massa at hungary!! He was like 3 laps from the win.
Also, it was pretty much common knowledge that the mclaren was the faster car overall in 2007, hamilton said so in his interview after this very race. Ferrari also conceded that they could not compete with mclaren at several gp's.
And hamilton did bottle it in China. Twas his responsibilty! And as for brazil...
nothing from the wheels to the clutch is controlled electronically. only the engine speed can be altered ("by manipulation of the throttle")but it has to be matched to that of the clutch disc which is dictated by the speed the wheels are spinning.
Fact: Hamilton finally had bad luck that season. He didn't have a failure all season long and even when he did the system reset. Kimi had multiple failures, spain and europe. He deserved to win the world championship.
Hindsight... How do you know Kimi would have won the races he had failures in?!
Bad luck... it happens!
This race too... It happens...
China 2007 for Lewis... All he had to do was finish the race but McLaren had other plans leaving him to get into the damp pits on canvas...
Malaysia 2016...
The 2012 season...
at least someone understands something about transmissions. i originally thought that maybe him trying to downshift from too high an rpm couldve caused the default but i read somewhere that the ecu would over-ride your command to shift to protect from over-revving. but abuse of this can cause confusion in the system so i dunno if its hamiltons mistake or not.
@icetonky becasue kimi won the championship and we dont care what happened to hamilton!
Behind closed door agreement. Lewis and FIA/MONEY. Problem never seen before.
I like kimi a lot but i sometimes think that alonso should have won the 2007 wdc
revs are not irrelevant. i know you downshift before a corner but you gotta lose some engine speed before you shift down. im not speculating on what hamilton did to cause this. its just wierd that hes making a downshift motion with his left hand when he shouldnt have been downshifting so it looks out of the ordinary
i use my engine to slow my street car so thats not anything non-racers wouldnt understand. my whole point is that you gotta reduce rpms before downshifting but you dont seem to understand the basic principles of manual transmissions. he was at over 18000 rpms so downshifting woulda put him well over the 19000 rpm limit.
his rpm gauge is still above 18000 rpms when he moves his left hand so forget how much speed you estimate he shoulda lost in the fraction of a second between braking and downshifting. all you gotta do is see where the rpm gauge is when his left hand makes the movement im talking about. at least youve come to agree that speed must be reduced before he can engage a lower gear if hes at 18000+ rpms. ill take that as a win.
i came up with this on my own but its true. its just that i have a good understanding of how a transmission works be it semi-auto or manual. they work the same but semi-auto is just controlled by electronics and manual is all you. do you disagree with my understanding of rev-matching or the fact that you would be denied the gear change due to over-rev protection? i CAN provide a link about the gear change denial.
i laughed so hard while reading this conversation :D didickcheeseburger is completely wrong haha
This is the most beautiful moment in f1 history
Papy hamiltongo, se retiro avergonzado🤭🤣
Yeah, papy. Alonzou is Hamilton's son. And pls speak english when you talk about F1
yes! a youtube video does prove my arguement. its visual proof of what ive been saying all along: you have to slow the car before downshifting from 7th when youre at over 18k rpms and this video shows it. remember me saying that in every comment while you denied it? how is it impossible to tell from a youtube video? theres no better proof than seeing it with your own eyes. and yes i have time on my hands. i check for your replies quite often whenever i get a chance
forget the links. you seem to fail to realize that even a formula 1 transmission follows the same basic workings of any standard manual transmission. they essentially function the same. the electronics simply perform the gear change. you obviously misunderstand the concept of rev matching if you think it can make the engine turn slower in a lower gear without considering the speed of the wheels. once the clutch is re-engaged its strictly a mechanical issue from the engine to the wheels
it´s so good to see lewis going out
It's so good to see him win today!
Ain't that Kevin debryune
it was meant to be. Never giv up Kimi.
...speed must be increased(becase its a downshift). once again at over 18000 rpms this match cant be made and you will be denied the gear change by the ecu. this means the downshift paddle will do nothing
0:20 What cost his 8th championship
Alonso force Hamilton out + team order...Kemi and Ferrari won't won that championship...
You can feel McLaren team worry about their's boy...
But Alonso did his revenge later...
It was not a failure. He unintentionally pressed the button that restarts the car
Are you a F1 engineer or mechanic?
I actually forgot that was the reason he lost the championship, that’s so frustrating and a bit of a joke really!
keeping him out in china with shot tyres was the reason
actually im not out to PROVE hamilton caused this. ive said from the beginning that the car has to slow before he can access a lower gear. he didnt slow before he tried to downshift so i said that was odd. im suggesting its possible that driver error may have contributed to this in some way. you denied he has to slow the car before going into a lower gear due to electronic control and youre wrong. thats what im arguing against. you need to re-read the conversation cuz youre lost
Im not confusing 2007 with 2008. The race at the nurburgring 2007 at the start, there was unreal rain and half the field went straight on at turn 1. The race was stopped and markus winkelhock was on pole for the re-start in his first gp. Hamilton was the only driver pulled out of the gravel out of 7 cars and he got to unlap himself straight away. I have the F1 dvd review for 2007...cos kimi won the championship. yeah!!!
So its your confusing your years dude. Alonso pipped massa for the win.
I am pretty sure it was prescripted "error". Pretty sure McLaren and FIA had some secret agreement that McLaren would escape the scandal without some great punishment but Hamilton would not get the title. So Mac engineers programmed the 40 second error into gearbox computer.
Do you even think before commenting such bullshit? :D
do you think that's the reason why hamilton stayed out so long in china?
No... sometimes your laptop/PC freezes and has a problem... a glitch and nothing is working. You wait a while to see if the problem resolves but then you go to the last resort... turning it off and on. Any issue on any complex electronics you first try to turn it off and on and thats what Lewis did... this is still relevant today in F1 as a last resort.
You are partly correct, but you should know that all F1 races are scripted like this anyway.
@icetonky he clearly had a problem....don't u think he lost the Championship due to this problem????
Feel so sad :/
Well, at least 2007 and 2008 were fucking epic F1 seasons !
Boring races
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lmao ted kravitz reporting from the tyres lol
Shit happens, he hadn't had any throughout 2007 at that point, apart from China. Shit always happens when you don't want it
Haters"hE's LuCKy"
Suprised ferrari didn't tell massa that kimi is faster than you. =3
This dude may be a clown, but what he is saying makes sense. You cant downshift near redline, you have to wash of some speed first. Thats all he's saying.
Nurburgring 2007?? Do you really want to open that can of worms. Half the field went off at turn 1 during the deluge of rain (interstingly-not kimi..or alonso or massa). Hamilton got a lift out of the gravel. Then off the re-start he gets to unlap himself, then mclaren put him on dry tyres. If their plan had worked, he could have won the race?? Ive never seen such bullshit! He should never have been lifted out of the gravel.
It was unlucky Kimi that had an engine failure at the nurburgring!!
Which button is Ron Dennis pressing at 0.41? Maybe something that makes the gearbox work again...
Give it a rest - He was pressing the team radio button (to talk to either the drivers or team staff at the GP or back in Woking)
There is no conspiracy here.
tombbazol That's the fucking radio man
Yeah I know.
MIKA!!
He won t win a wdc soon..this kid is good but still has to learn
Even Autosport magazine has acknowledged a couple of times that its likely some behind closed doors deal was made at the spygate hearing between the FIA and Mclaren which enabled them to carry on racing in 2007 on the provision they didnt win the title.
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAMILTOOOOON!!!
FUCKLAREN!
Press F for Ferrari 😂😂😂 Hamilton's 7th title incoming.
@muddwell yeah but not in an F1 car
Wasnt Hamiltons fault in this case, just bad luck.
Really? I thought it was my grandpa’s fault.
Mclaren could not have the drivers title... maybe it was on purpose.
Imagine either mclaren driver winning the drivers championship after the spygate scandal. This is the only time I've seen this kind of glitch
he was ABOVE 18k and trust me the difference between 6th and 7th would certainly be more than 1000 rpms. ok if you dont think they have to reduce revs before downshifting i found a video for you to watch: watch?v=245LV6kN4Lc this video is of massa in '07 and watch when he slows from high revs from 7th gear. he doesnt downshift as he brakes. his downshift to 6th is delayed until he reduces revs
0:10 Kevin de Bruyne
It's McLaren mentor
Mika hakkinen
0:36
Kanye West
The Kardashian curse
unless kimi can find a way to pass massa......... REALLY?
Zitti e buoni 😁
Everybody is faster than Massa
No
i never denied anything about how he says a semi-auto gearbox works. i know how they work. if you read back far enough youd see hes just adding extra shit that nobody mentioned before he brought it up. all im saying is what was hamilton doing with his left hand before his gearbox went into neutral?(please dont answer that question as its rhetorical) its that simple but yall go on and on about the tech specs of a semi-auto tranny. get your mind out of the gutter
refer to my other comment - yeah I know.
19000 rpm wtf
That's hilarious! he's lucky he's a world champion at all, he completely bottled it in 2007 then completely bottled it in 1008, and was saved by the rain!
The rain nearly lost him it in 2008, he wasn't saved by it.
Big oof 2018.
He had a delaminating tyre in China as well, McLaren fucked up his strategy and then this...
Who is this commentator ?? haha
it's not an commentator, he is voicing over the race and the evens occurred in it .
i know exactly what a semi-auto gearbox is. i dont need you too look it up on wikipedia and quote the specifics to me. i love how all you wanna-be f1 engineers get on here and pretend you know something. i watch f1 plenty. youre wrong about downshifting procedures going into turns also. maybe you need to look that up on wiki and come discuss this further
That should happened to Lewis in every race
PUSH BUTAN
imbecile? haha who still says that? anyway, i dont think you understand what rev-matching is. in any transmission if you shift down from a higher gear without slowing down the car the engine will spin faster because of the lower gears ratio. this is a mechanical issue and no electronics can compensate for this. the engine speed is forced to increase in this situation. therefore you must slow the car which in turn slows the engine speed before you shift down. this goes for semi- auto...
I love how Fernando own him in 3rd corner .... this is why Lewis gets mad and start pressing wrong buttons. Fernando should be 2007 WDC ... FIA robbed Alonso when they moved him 5 positions back in Hungary. Anyway we all know who is he best driver, the one who really can fight cars 1 second faster.
yeah, the FIA did screwed alonso in Hungary.
would he have gotten the penalty if he didnt block his team mate on purpose? i dont think so
Yeah.. You conveniently forgot how Alonso crashed in Fuji or how he drove like a Rookie in Canada 2007 completely missing all the braking points or how he was unable to overtake Hamilton in Indianapolis.(That's all Ron Dennis fault right????)
Best driver my a.. In 2007 Hamilton got 6 poles to 2 for Alonso. Put them in the same car today and Lewis will blow him out of the water especially in qualifying. Keep believing the hype.. LOL.
You are underrating Hamilton. Put Verstappen in Hamilton's seat in 2007 and he would have been in NO position to win the WDC. That's how strong Lewis is.
Alonso was lucky Hamilton's 2 last races were a nightmare: the penultimate for a mistake(China) and the last(Brazil) for a gearbox issue otherwise it would have been an embarassement of epic proportions.
The best thing he did for his career and reputation has been to run away from Lewis, just like Rosberg after his only WDC. :D
This is all you got??
Lewis just like Serena Williams, doesn't get the credits he deserves because he is of the WRONG color.
Had Lewis been involved(like Alonso) in big scandals like SpyGate and Crashgate, his career would have been finished long ago.
TopEdge lewis was in spygate dumbass
😆
As far as Im concerned, Hamilton deserved what he got. All year, the McLaren had bulletproof reliability, i even think they had the fastest car, and he should have wrapped it up in China. But NO, he bottled it there and bottled it off the start in Brazil. The Ferrari's had reliability issues but still got the job done where it mattered most.
Raikkonen had nerves of ice to win here and china and spa. Guess thats why they call him the iceman.
NB- This was a gearbox failure! not a mistake
LOL