If you think about it, Perturabo's character encompasses all of the chaos gods traits. He's a brutal and bloodthirsty warrior, He is resistant and perseverant in the harshest of situations, He is a prideful artisan, and he is a plotter and a schemer. He may not worship the chaos gods but he is everything they want.
Lust and pleasure to the excessive levels of a slaneshi cultist. Have you heard of the emperor's children being prideful is not a and what traits does he have from Nurgle?
@@ToxicTom113 Taking pride and satisfaction in your achievements is very much a slaneshi trait. It's how Lucius is able to still exist. And his Nurgle like traits? His legions habit of going into the worst situations and stubbornly surviving against over whelming odds. Nurgle isn't only pestilence and disease, it's also the will to continue living and persevere over hardships. It's why most if not all those infected by grampa Nurgle's gifts have a hard time dying.
@@Sceth also stagnation, which is pretty apt for both siege warfare and the perplexing way Perturabo inexplicably never altered his tactics despite his analytical mind.
Remember Perturabos line towards Angron. "You think me weak, but i have remade my strength. You, Angron are weak, because youve traded masters" now that line makes allot of sense
Ironic that he shows Humanity's strength better than the imperium somehow in that episode. It really tells us what a calculating and confident Perturabo can truly achieve.
I love how Perturabo’s line officers spoke more than he did and, he didn’t shush them or something. I feel like any other primarch would have taken the spotlight
Agree. One thing about Horus- he knows when to let those around him talk, be it to hang themselves or coerce others to his will more subtly. I wonder if Perturabo is introverted in some respects or simply calculated. I think about this stuff way too much......
@@yeoldchief7711 Typically, iron is softer than harder ceramic but much more ductile, and harder than wood but less ductile, though I don't know what wood has to do with Primarchs.
Before reading: Perturabo is not a high-tier primarch. Especially in a duel. He is an engineer and tactician. After reading: Holy christ. He soloed him.
Dammit GW, you never should have made Perturabo into a Daemon Primarch! His story and cause is so much more interesting before he gave himself fully to Chaos...
@@tigersympathiser2265 I know, right? personally I would lvoe to see Perturabo not as "just" another Chaos aligned Primarch, but have him represent the Renegade Marines. Perturabo did not rebel against the Imperium because of what Chaos promised and lured him with. He rebelled because he believed he had no choice and ebcause he could no longer stomach the pain the Imperial War Machine was dragging him and his sons through.
idea: retcon things so that perty becoming a daemon prince is only what the inquisition or just what most people in the know think what happened. Instead, He never accepted any of the chaos gods and was instead able to become as powerful as any daemon prince by changing his body via machines through his own genius. Heck like others have said, he's the progenitor of the obliterater virus. Through sheer stubborn spite, Perterabo got through his own hard work and intellect that his brothers were given by higher powers.
Personally, I hope he's a "Prince" of the Forge of Souls, and is in a contract similar to that of a Soul Grinder, one which he's successfully "paid" due to having a legion that he can direct towards gathering the necessary souls and metal (until he dies, and has a new tab that is). I can't see him submitting to one of the four, but a "neutral" and weaker party that's unaffiliated and that he has actual pull with? I could definitely see that.
If he HAS to be chaos corrupted, I think it would be cool for him to have control of a soul forge or two and to rule his own domains more or less without internal conflict.
Its amazing how similar perturabo is discribed to dorn in his moments. They act the same role, the way they talk, dorn is respected and kinda feared by his own men like perturabo. They even have the the same job, both are planing the siege of terra.
I'd rather Perturabo being a Daemon Prince is not retconned, but rather his ascension being granted by The Forge of Souls. It's very much described as a significant power in and of itself within the Warp given that not only do beings on the scale of Greater Daemons have to battle eachother for the right to gain their services, but more significantly need to swear an oath of coming to its defense should any of the four Great Powers of Chaos attempt to seize it for themselves, including that of their own patron God. That it would fit The Lord of Iron flawlessy from a thematic standpoint only sweetens the deal.
I feel like if Perturabo, Dorn and Guilliman were working together, they would be absolutely unstoppable. No need for any other primarchs, just those 3 would have been enough.
Replace either Guilliman or Perterabo with Lion El'Johnson and I might agree. Guilliman sucks shit through a straw compared to almost every other Primarch.
@@andredanielleite7859 And Lion El'johnson is a major military leader. If they wanted to make a truly unstoppable combination of Primarchs then they would need the Lion for his military skills not Guilliman for his political skills. Gulliman is an administrator not a general and powerful warrior like the Lion. Granted all Primarchs are generals and powerful warriors but the Lion was the one that was specifically designed for it and is thus better at it than any of the other Primarchs, especially the living loyalist Primarchs.
The wound existed long before Perturabo's fall. That wound refers to the eye that watched him all the way back on Olympia. The warp, the eye of that great storm, always haunted him, always eroded at him. This fall was put in place years before. Yet Perturabo said no.
“Iron Warriors may’ve been Nurgle’s preferred choice.” The Death Guard’s highest achievements were spawning Nathaniel Garro and playing second fiddle to the sand castle builders. #IronWithin #IronWithout
A lot of times, it's suggested that Perturabo's ascended form is likened to the Ultimate Obliterator. I could see that. Rather than Ascending as Undivided or as the Daemon Primarch of any Chaos God, I could see Perturabo absorbing the Warp Energies to ascend and becoming an Obliterator God. It would be the perfect form to attract Dark Mechanicum around him and create new armies centred around Traitor Machine Cults and Daemon Engines. And then becoming effectively the "New Malal", and oppose other Chaos Forces.
Personally I'd hate that, the aspect I like about the Iron Warriors is that they replace body parts influenced by the warp with mechanical parts. It shows that they use the warp and daemons as tools, which fits their brutal focus on efficiency.
What did these guys expect when calling they called perturabo of all people weak, seriously either chaos is super cocky or stupid, everyone and their mother knows that would piss of perturabo to a point that even Khorne would notice
Nurgle took a gamble and picked at Perturabo's fears, probably hoping it would leave a lasting crack that would grow later. Or perhaps it was simply the messengers idea. Nevertheless I suppose when you command such power as a chaos god, a certain kind of arrogance is reasonable. Expected even, although wasted on primarchs such as Perturabo who cannot at this point truly know the extent of their power.
@@kesasika Nurgle didn't lie. Nurgle also isn't exactly gifted with a great deal of foresight or tactical genius. What he said was true, he was dying (as all living things are) and also a bit speculative (this guy can't beat a DP, he's going to need help). If anything, its classic Nurgle to offer a drowning man a life preserver, with the simple string attached that you join the family in return. He underestimated Perturabo's spirit... I'm impressed that he gave the chaos champ the option to say anything at all... but for sure you don't offer the leader of a proud military formation an option to surrender in front of his own men, without so much as a good reason. That was just silly.
And Khorne DID notice ... he looked at Perturabo and though "this is a guy to my liking" ... that is why he gave him "a weapon", the Obliterator Virus.
I seriously hope you cover Angron vs Pert cause that scene is just great This is the most likes I've ever gotten for real I'm speechless thank you everyone 💓
Danielle Banyard He was killed as well. I know “muh alpha legion” but he is not a character GW will ever reveal with certainty that he is alive, and there will always just be “rumors” that he survived.
@@kirkcannon8079 please drop it. I don't even want to think of what happens if that is true and shit hits the fan. Soul stone shatters, does slaanesh take interest because it's a elder spirit stone? Does Ynari op mcguffin his soul to her side? In either of those situations, I don't trust the gw writing team to do it justice.
Mortarion was very vocally anti-psyker and had dedicated his early life to scouring Nurgle worshippers from Barbarous - I can see why the Emperor would be surprised by how the chips fell.
@@freethemarkets5188 good point well made. I tend to forget about that aspect of uncle morty that hates spoon bending shit.. 40k, layers upon layers upon layers of irony. Irony within
If GW somehow made the Dark Mechanicum a pseudo Chaos God or maybe a Chaos Omnissiah then Perturabo could be the Champion. The Daemon Forge worlds are supposed to be neutral in the lore so it wouldn't be surprising.
I think it's interesting to have two different manners of being an "Undivided Chaos" Daemon Primarch: one by sincerely worshiping the 4 Chaos Gods (Lorgar), one by worshiping none of them, only serving yourself and your hatred but still being their puppet against your own will (Perturabo). Maybe he didn't care about the Ruinous Powers but was still corrupted by the perspective of raw and huge power.
Perturabo and the Night Lords (even if Curze lived I believe) were/are indifferent to the chaos gods. They were both angry with the Emperor for what they perceived as being lied to, used, and they foresaw being discarded eventually. They will use gifts only if it benefits them and does not enslave them. Think of the Oblivion virus (have no clue if its still canon or in their codexes).
The Iron Warriors we chaos as a tool, something useful but not to be worshipped (besides the bare minimum of rituals needed to get them to play ball with you) and certainly not to be trusted. Other legions see mutation as a gift from the gods, the Iron Warriors chop off and burn their mutated limbs and replace them with cybernetics. When it comes to Perturabo becoming a daemon prince, I like to think he had no choice, his time amongst the traitors had already damned him, so it was either die and let his soul be the plaything of the chaos gods with him unable to act, or accept their “gift” and become a plaything, but with some small amount of agency. The Uriel Ventris novels give a pretty succinct example do the Iron Warrior’s mentality of brutal pragmatism. The daemonculaba, something so monstrous in its operation, was not built as an engine to give glory to the pantheon by some Word Bearer zealot, nor was it built as some bizarre apparatus of debauchery by some hedonist of the Emperor’s Children. It was built by the Iron 4th, because they needed more marines and deemed it to be the most expedient way to obtain them.
I think Nurgle had his influence on Mortarion for a long time, given all the 7 symbolism, like "7 guards within 49 (7x7) meters of him", and the fast corruption right after the cleanse of the traitor legions on Istvan. I think Nurgle wanted more than one champion
Exactly. Mortarion was already in the bag for Nurgle (it's so woven into his background that it looks like predestination to me - maybe part of the Emperor's unspeakable bargain with the ruinous powers was that one of his sons would *belong* to each of the four no matter what?). Perturabo was still up for grabs, and Nurgle got greedy.
This makes one appreciate more the War of Rust and Ruin - a war of the 42nd millennia fought between the Iron Warriors and Death Guard, led by their respective Primarchs, which was bloody for both sides but ended with the Iron Warriors legion completely mangled and forced to retreat following Nurgle unleashing a machine-corrupting plague on Perturabo's titans.
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I think if nurgle turned the lord of iron, he still would have gone for mortarion, he would just have 2 demon primarchs on his team, one of rust and one of death. Its said many times that nurgle has claimed mortarion as his own, so he was kinda just destined to be nurgles (prob because of his dads dealings in the warp), but i think the others were more up for grabs, and nurgle will sometimes just straight forward offer his gifts
I think I'd fit Perturabo best if he carved his way in the Eye of Terror without support from Gods or some petty Daemonhood. I really wouldn't mind seeing a retcon as to un-daemon him.
then he would be a mutant. in his daemon form at least he can take whatever shape he wanted. also he wanted immortality just like the others, but wanted to do it better than them. the others are direct tools of the gods, each loyal to one. but Pert as undivided is more let loosethan controlled, his general actions fuel the 4 but he is never used directly for the gods would not rely on a weapon that could the next day serve their brothers. thus he has more liberty than any other daemon primarch. you can see it, magnus has acted in tzeentchs will, mortarion too, as well as angron, while fulgrim is a total mystery, he might have even fought in the warp in the great game. but meanwhile, Lorgar was left alone for 10k years to meditate and do his own thing, just as pert secluded hiself in mendregard. we see the same schema in all undivided princes, they retain the greatest independence. thus Pert can call upon the might of the 4 gods. he will never bend plague like mortarion, or change like Magnus, but he is versatile.
@@NovaSoldier Have Malal take interest in him, as he is the Chaos god of 'those who serve that which they hate'. Perturabo served the Imperium during the Crusade despite coming to loath it, and we all know what the Iron Warriors think of Chaos. Have the Legion as a whole turn to Malice and screw over everyone's plans.
It does make sense, the Iron Warriors' MO is a lot like the Death Guard in the sense of wearing their enemies down through constant, grinding pressure, albeit more based on mechanized warfare
Nurgle would've loved the conceit of the Iron Warriors, rusted by his power into something decayed and broken, but still strong enough for his purposes. The Death Guard were already there. There's no fun to be had from their fall, it was just a matter of going through the motions.
It’s 4am and I’ve just binge watched this entire series so far. This stuff is amazing, and it’s so great to finally see the Iron Warriors get the love they deserve. I really hope we get to see more of these legion weeks in the future, keep it up my man :)
I'd love a retcon for 40k iron warriors that's makes them less chaos-y if that makes any sense. More technological monsters than mutants. Using all those robots of Perturabos design rather than demons
I don't know much about the new lore, but classically Mortarions backstory makes him the better choice. The thing about Nurgle that makes him interesting his how he's a fatherly figure, and his cohort acts like an insane family more than a military. Mortarion needed a father figure, and his experience overcoming the toxic mess of his world really suits him to the nurgle motif. The real question for me was always how he orgaized the deathguard after they switched. I would have thought that the order of battle would just completely collapsed. New legions switching to Nurgle would just blend in. For some reason, I never saw Nurgle's desire to convert them as anything other than Nurgle being Nurgle... he's have taken all the legions if he could, and it would have been more of an adoption than a seduction. Mortarion isn't necessarily the only Primarch that could have fit in, but for the sake of the stories (which were written specifically for each of them afterall) his makes more sense than anyone.
Ohhhhh snap. I've been working on a theory about where the Primarchs *should* have ended up. Always suspected Perturabo was meant for Nurgle instead of Mortarion (by the EMP's design). A bit like how Angron and the world eaters are obviously Khorne's consolation prize over the *blood drinking berserker* Blood Angels, but in reverse.
And this is why I respect Pert and not Morty. Mortarion can shove his "Can Endure Anything" where the sun don't shine. When it comes down to brass tacks, the Lord of Iron did not kneel and Morty did. Iron Warriors > Death Guard.
@Miguel Mauro I'm sure Magnus and the Thousand Sons must have had the time of their lives laughing at how the most anti-Psyker Primarch is now a walking talking wellspring of Warp energy.
I like both legions. Morty sacrificed himself to save his ENTIRE Legion of his sons that had been betrayed by Typhus and Nurgle. Perty never had to make a choice like that. No primarch did except for Morty. So yes, Morty can in fact endure anything because 10k plus years later he still hates Nurgle for forcing that decision on him. The only reason Morty turned was to save his sons. No other primarch hell not even the Emperor can say they made that level of sacrifice.
@@ironstarofmordian7098 that's exactly what he did. the emperor supposedly knew the heresy was going to happen and basically sacrificed the sons who would do the least amount of damage to humanity. i may be wrong though
Correction: Lorgar worships the warp in it's entirety which the pantheon takes up a huge part of. His search is for "The Truth" behind everything. If i had to guess: * Perturabo managed to barter with/fool all of the pantheon to ascend him, as he would still be more useful to them as shared than dead. * While Lorgar, which wasn't in high standing with anyone in the pantheon at the time of his ascension, was instead ascended by the warp, the Empyrean itself.
God the Iron Warriors are so damn cool, just no nonsense whatsoever. Loyalist Iron warriors like Dantioch and his lads are amongst my favorite aesthetics in the 40k universe.
Sons of Horus were always kind of sprinkled in to the various Chaos/Traitor, I hesitate to call them "Legions" more like collections/troops of respective Chaos Gods. Whenever there would be a large group of Chaos Marines, let's say to Nurgle there would be a line like "...and there were more than Mortarion' sons. World Eaters, Word Bearers and even Sons of Horus could be made out through their stained livery but all marching under Nurgles banner." or something to that effect.
It's possible Nurgle wanted both of them, for why settle for one primarch when you can have two? All four of the chaos gods would have probably wanted to get as many primarchs as they could, but because of the very nature of each primarch some would have naturally been drawn to a particular god and not been possible to sway from that god by the others. However, any primarch that hadn't joined any god could still yet be swayed in any one direction should that god find a way to do so, thus being highly sought after by all four and probably even fought over. Each of the gods would probably all attempt to petition Purturabo to join their cause, this being an attempt by Nurgle
So perturabo is basically the belle of the ball and nurgle the nerd khorne the jock tzeentch the head of year and slaanesh the trans rocker chick who smokes drinks and snorts coke in the girls toilets
The "Extra" Daemon Primarchs: Perturabo = Nurgle Sanguinius = Khorne Jagathai = Slaanesh Lion = Tzeentch (my headcanon is that Angron and Mortarion were actually the second choice of their respective gods) @swearwords Khorne = The Jock on roids Tzeentch = The Weird Nerd Nurgle = The Unhigyenic "nice" guy Slaanesh = That party animal that does all sorts of drugs
@@PhoenixFlame321 Your headcannon is the same headcannon that thinks Alpha Legion is Loyal and clone fulgrim will beat OG fulgrim... No. Mortarion was addicted to the number 7, resilience, chem warfare, even before he was a demon.
Thanks so much for the video and sharing. I think you may be a bit off on Nurgle's ultimate intentions. Gaining Perturabo to his cause or allegiance would not safeguard Mortarion and seeking Perturabo before anyone or after anyone doesn't really express any preference by Nurgle or any chaos god. Nurgle wants all of them, Tzeentch wants all of them, Khorne and Slannesh wants all of them if they can have them. It will give them that tip in the balance over the rest of the ruinous power pantheon. They constantly vie for Abaddon. They constantly seek to take Guilliman if they can have them. The chaos gods seek any and all that will help tip the great game to their advantage in the warp and in the materium. Nurgle wants them all.
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Perturabo is very underrated by most. I like him behind Horus, Konrad and Magnus. That and his legion is whole in 40K makes him one of the biggest threats.
The whole horus heresy is just a warning tale of what inept parenting can get you, magnus was never given the whole picture, perturabo was never appreciated, fulgrims ambition was never tempered, angron was left with the butchers nails and was never sent to therapy, mortarion was chugging poison every day and wasn't taught conflict resolution which his legion could use a lesson on, horus was never reassured, konrad could've used some therapy as well and maybe some primarch grade thorizine, apharius and omegron could have used some strict discipline along with reassurance about the big E's plan and well fuck lorgar there is no saving that one
Angron lifted a titans foot off Logar. Horus freared him, Russ, and Sanguineous the most in combat. He didn't lose because he couldn't beat him. He lost because it was apart of something bigger.
I feel like Perturabo initially scorning 'gifts' from Chaos is right for his character, and I choose to accept his eventual ascension as a sort of martyrdom: a way to punish himself (in a typically twisted way), as oppose to a logical/desired path. Not exactly rocket science but head-cannon fixes all. More great videos, thanks!
He talks about wanting to master chaos like an technology, he sees Horus in the siege books and wants the power but wants to learn it’s in and outs and wants to control it, while he believes Horus took too much power and that said power was controlling him not the other way around. It’s a really cool passage on the vengeful spirt I believe it’s either the 1st or 2nd siege book it’s in.
Yea, I changed my mind... I would still like to see what a demon Perturabo would look like... but based on his intelligence and how awesome he is... I hope they retcon his daemonhood... Besides he's is about as nuts a Kurze, but more controlled and calculating... thats enough for me...
Perturabo beat Fulgrim,Angron,nearly annialated the Fists (iron cage). Killed a squad of Fist Terminators aboard his flagship. Shimm shammed the Lions war engines from him and has a cohesive legion after 10000 yrs. all the Iron Warriors are waiting on is to be called home by Perturabo.
Real talk, recannon Malal and make Iron Daddy Perturabo align his stupid undivided chaos daemon ass with that smelly wolf fucker who hates everything chaos. Would make for a better story than just simply "he's a chaos undivided now, be very very scared"
I always assumed he just embraced the Obliterator Virus, and of course being a Primarch he could probably meld it to suit his needs and not go insane from overusing it, an Oblit isn't tied to any god it's just a weird chaos warp virus thing that can claim anyone strong enough to support it, so when he finally gets a 40k model i'd assume hes just a big chunky guy with guns growing from his wrists and shoulders + his old Forgebreaker hammer
It's good that they have followed up this issue... Perturabo WAS sapped on Fulgrim's ascension. I'm not sure if he was dying. Nurgle's emotion du jour is despair. He could have just been trying to play on a fear of Perturabo. Potentially, he was dying but not figuratively. Spiritually. The hole in his soul was sapping his sanity.
I wouldn’t say he wanted Perturabo over Mortarion, it’s more likely he wanted both or whatever he could get. The death guard are just a better fit in general for Nurgle, they’re the toughest of the legions.
As i said in other comments, pert actively sought daemonhood,however he sought it in a different kind. he saw what became of his brothers who had all become pawns of their respective gods. what i see as possible is that he read the book of Lorgar in his search for information. remember Lorgar gave each traitor brother an individualized copy of his book, which we know holds information about chaos, as well as encantations, spells and rituals as seen within the book Vengeful spirit where Horus uses his book to bind a daemon. Thus Perturabo must have deduced that by pledging himself to all 4, like Lorgar, he can attain immortality and power just like his brothers and at the same time retain a higher degree of independence. he is probably aware that the gods will someday give him commands but due to their main focus being on the great game, they dont usually directly command undivided daemon princes, because the very next day they might serve another brother. it is more that their general actions fuel all 4 of them and can be used effectively against other foes aside from their brothers. i mean just look at it. all divided daemon princes or primarchs have acted in the name of their gods in several occasions, Mortarion in the scourge stars conquering for nurgle or Magnus in the stygius sector. meanwhile Pert has been left alone to do whatever he pleases for 10k years, same with Lorgar. in fact Most undivided princes in lore act more upon their own ambitions than in the name of the gods (because inevitabely their goals will benefit the gods in one way or another).
He literally shot the living crap out of Angron and hit him to pieces with his hammer. Perty absolutely demolished Angron and could have killed him (as much as you can kill a demon, Angron would just go back to the warp) but brought him back as Horus had ordered. It is easily one of the best scenes Perty gets in the HH series.
It is a great fight, precisely because Perturabo is outclassed as a melee combatant. He uses tactics, firepower and pure will to not so much defeat Angron but withstand Angron, who is running low on Warp juice. Angron is still a beast, and lands a blow so good, it would have killed most other Primarchs, before Perturabo's delaying strategy secures him the win. It took pure Iron to bring Angron around and get him to Horus.
@Cian Abroad True, like Russ did in the "Night of the Wolves" Perturabo outmanoeuvred The World Eater and unlike Russ was able to make Angron see sense long enough to work together.
Simple good king. Perty shot up angron like he was a school. Be aware that it wasn't easy but in the end angron. The walking rape machine was bested by the primarch with the coolest guns. Unlike that dog Russ
Interesting. I remember the 2012 CSM codex describing how in M32, Perturabo had made a pact with Nurgle before attacking an Imperial world. I guess they patched things up.
After Slaves to Darkness and seeing a pre-amped Pert take on and beat a post-amped Angron when everyone and their mothers made Angron seem unstoppable before the amp up, Perturabo is my favorite traitor primarch, hands down. You're not a loyalist if your favorite loyalist ain't Vulkan.
@Leagle Eagle Dorn At said time was 6 years deep Into an increasingly one sided defensive war against all of the traitor Legions. Dorn was probably beyond exhausted in spirit, Mental capacity and likely sleep deprived (which for a primarch would probably take a few years of getting 1-2 hours sleep every week.) Also let us not forget that Rogal Dorns genes spawned the op fuck you Sigismund!!! I'd like to think that Dorns fighting prowess under optimal conditions would be able to handle pre daemon perto. But that's just my take on it.
I just figure that the “you are dying” is less to Pert specifically and more because Nurgle and his sphere, his beliefs and what-not. Nature and cycles
I think personally, each of the Chaos Gods is greedy and always seeking an edge over the others. Its why Khorne wanted the World Eaters AND the Blood Angels. With 2 Legions to the other gods' 1 apiece they would have that much more of an advantage over the others
I really hope they do a Scouring series so I can read about the Iron Cage and Perturabo's ascension. I'm really curious as to what makes him choose to do it
What about the Forge of Souls? If I remember correctly it has three oaths, one is to protect the Forge from any and all chaos gods. Could Perturabo be undivided via the forge?
Perturabo is described as physically one of the strongest Primarchs, his fists being able to hit with the force of a plasma gun. Today, he's described as "the ultimate Obliterator". I think he would appear as a warped, top heavy version of his original self, with weapons and spikes sticking out every crevice and the corrupted hammer, Forgebreaker clutched in his right hand.
What would be cool, Perturabo enlists Fabulous Bob to make him new body, this goes somewhat well, Perturabo now has uncorrupted flesh but Daemon Primarch "soul" and goes around as a renegade Primarch fighting forces both traitor and loyalist acting like the Space A-Team.
If you think about it, Perturabo's character encompasses all of the chaos gods traits. He's a brutal and bloodthirsty warrior, He is resistant and perseverant in the harshest of situations, He is a prideful artisan, and he is a plotter and a schemer. He may not worship the chaos gods but he is everything they want.
And he is at conflict with himself (at least as i see it) like chaos
@@bloodangel19 Thats more like Emp properties. Like Dad. Like son.
Lust and pleasure to the excessive levels of a slaneshi cultist. Have you heard of the emperor's children being prideful is not a and what traits does he have from Nurgle?
@@ToxicTom113 Taking pride and satisfaction in your achievements is very much a slaneshi trait. It's how Lucius is able to still exist. And his Nurgle like traits? His legions habit of going into the worst situations and stubbornly surviving against over whelming odds. Nurgle isn't only pestilence and disease, it's also the will to continue living and persevere over hardships. It's why most if not all those infected by grampa Nurgle's gifts have a hard time dying.
@@Sceth also stagnation, which is pretty apt for both siege warfare and the perplexing way Perturabo inexplicably never altered his tactics despite his analytical mind.
Remember Perturabos line towards Angron. "You think me weak, but i have remade my strength. You, Angron are weak, because youve traded masters" now that line makes allot of sense
Ironic that he shows Humanity's strength better than the imperium somehow in that episode. It really tells us what a calculating and confident Perturabo can truly achieve.
In the end though a pawn to chaos is still a pawn even in chaos undivided.
undivided is one true path to freedom
it was pretty dumb tho. Angron never chose to join chaos. He only opposed the emperor. He was hoping to die a free man.
Didn’t Perturabo kick his ass in their fight?
I love how Perturabo’s line officers spoke more than he did and, he didn’t shush them or something. I feel like any other primarch would have taken the spotlight
Agree. One thing about Horus- he knows when to let those around him talk, be it to hang themselves or coerce others to his will more subtly. I wonder if Perturabo is introverted in some respects or simply calculated. I think about this stuff way too much......
@@azuredystopia3751 >I think about this stuff way too much
So does Perturabo.
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Nurgle loves the indomitable giving into despair.
When the uncompromising break & desperately look for relief.
Iron does not break.
Uh..Iron is rather brittle and has one of the most corrosive oxidation reactions among metals...I'm probably overthinking things again.
@@SeismicHammer generally stronger than most stone and wood.
Iron snaps. Which is somehow fitting
@@yeoldchief7711 Typically, iron is softer than harder ceramic but much more ductile, and harder than wood but less ductile, though I don't know what wood has to do with Primarchs.
perhaps steel
Daemon: Perturabo, you can't beat Angron.
Perturabo: YoU CaN'T bEaT aNgrOn
Perturabo: don’t worry I will only make an example of cold calculating fury against raw rage.
More like Overconfidence vs Raw Rage
World Eater more like weaponized autism vs raw rage
(Perturabo proceeds to kick the crap out of Angron)
haha Forgebreaker go WHAM
They always said perturabo was the most underestimated primarch...
Tell perturabo he cannot beat angron...and he will to a pulp out of sheer spite.
Before reading: Perturabo is not a high-tier primarch. Especially in a duel. He is an engineer and tactician.
After reading: Holy christ. He soloed him.
@@zeppelincraft1443 Angron ain’t a bitch too, he is possibly the strongest of the primarchs in battle, he just can’t think straight and got dropped.
Sort of like Khorne and the Blood Angels.
I love how Perterabo has his auto loaders cycle like a nervous tick. It's an ongoing thing with him.
it’s a force of habit because if a loyalist comes to kill him he just points and boom swiss cheese
Dammit GW, you never should have made Perturabo into a Daemon Primarch! His story and cause is so much more interesting before he gave himself fully to Chaos...
Yeah it seems to contradict the Iron Warriors as a group of spiteful Traitors more than Chaos Traitors
Not gonna lie, I'm interested to find out how he does get there mentally tho.
@@tigersympathiser2265 I know, right? personally I would lvoe to see Perturabo not as "just" another Chaos aligned Primarch, but have him represent the Renegade Marines. Perturabo did not rebel against the Imperium because of what Chaos promised and lured him with. He rebelled because he believed he had no choice and ebcause he could no longer stomach the pain the Imperial War Machine was dragging him and his sons through.
They could change it it's old lore
In fairness its really old lore, and we don't have any art about Pert, so we can still see a tainted, yet non deamon primarch
idea: retcon things so that perty becoming a daemon prince is only what the inquisition or just what most people in the know think what happened. Instead, He never accepted any of the chaos gods and was instead able to become as powerful as any daemon prince by changing his body via machines through his own genius. Heck like others have said, he's the progenitor of the obliterater virus.
Through sheer stubborn spite, Perterabo got through his own hard work and intellect that his brothers were given by higher powers.
king
Personally, I hope he's a "Prince" of the Forge of Souls, and is in a contract similar to that of a Soul Grinder, one which he's successfully "paid" due to having a legion that he can direct towards gathering the necessary souls and metal (until he dies, and has a new tab that is).
I can't see him submitting to one of the four, but a "neutral" and weaker party that's unaffiliated and that he has actual pull with? I could definitely see that.
If he HAS to be chaos corrupted, I think it would be cool for him to have control of a soul forge or two and to rule his own domains more or less without internal conflict.
Why not a daemon primarch of Malice instead? *wink* *wink*
Primarch Dreadnought. Primarch Dreadnought.
Its amazing how similar perturabo is discribed to dorn in his moments. They act the same role, the way they talk, dorn is respected and kinda feared by his own men like perturabo. They even have the the same job, both are planing the siege of terra.
Underrated comment.
Perturabo: "For the last time, Nurgle, I DO NOT LIKE GARDENING!"
I'd rather Perturabo being a Daemon Prince is not retconned, but rather his ascension being granted by The Forge of Souls. It's very much described as a significant power in and of itself within the Warp given that not only do beings on the scale of Greater Daemons have to battle eachother for the right to gain their services, but more significantly need to swear an oath of coming to its defense should any of the four Great Powers of Chaos attempt to seize it for themselves, including that of their own patron God. That it would fit The Lord of Iron flawlessy from a thematic standpoint only sweetens the deal.
This works even more now we know the ruler of the forge of souls is trying to become a chaos god
This aged very well
Perturabo would rather turn himself into a Daemon Engine than become a slave to chaos.
@@Peter_Turbo4 well he kinda looks like a machine now anyways.
I feel like if Perturabo, Dorn and Guilliman were working together, they would be absolutely unstoppable. No need for any other primarchs, just those 3 would have been enough.
1) Brain, politics
2) Attack
3) Defence
Seems right :P
Replace either Guilliman or Perterabo with Lion El'Johnson and I might agree. Guilliman sucks shit through a straw compared to almost every other Primarch.
@@noneofyourbusiness2437 Guilliman is a major politician and the only primarch avaliable with skills fitted for Management
@@andredanielleite7859
And Lion El'johnson is a major military leader. If they wanted to make a truly unstoppable combination of Primarchs then they would need the Lion for his military skills not Guilliman for his political skills. Gulliman is an administrator not a general and powerful warrior like the Lion. Granted all Primarchs are generals and powerful warriors but the Lion was the one that was specifically designed for it and is thus better at it than any of the other Primarchs, especially the living loyalist Primarchs.
@@noneofyourbusiness2437 yeh, but when the battle is over you need a real leader not a warmonger and 2 autistic man babies.
The wound existed long before Perturabo's fall.
That wound refers to the eye that watched him all the way back on Olympia.
The warp, the eye of that great storm, always haunted him, always eroded at him.
This fall was put in place years before. Yet Perturabo said no.
NURGLE SHALL CLAIM ALL, BUT NOT THE IRON OF OUR LORD PERTURABO. IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
If Perturabo was iron within, then he would've remained loyal, and unsung.
Jorge Warcrimes - the emperor just didn’t know how to raise a potato
@@ironstarofmordian7098 Iron does not break easily, but it may be warped under sufficient pressure
@@TheCrimsonSpork indeed
@@rakshithanand8262 even Perturabo would call that unacceptable
“Iron Warriors may’ve been Nurgle’s preferred choice.” The Death Guard’s highest achievements were spawning Nathaniel Garro and playing second fiddle to the sand castle builders. #IronWithin #IronWithout
Listen those sandcastles are really good looking, also: the Death Guard were not liked by us necessarily, they kinda stunk up literally everything
Nathaniel Garro was one of the few good things to come out of that putrid Legion.
Iron warriors would've been in Nurgle's pocket had they endured the same fate as the Death Guard.
Honestly Garro was from the Dusk Raiders, not the Death Guard.
He was kinda forced into the Death Guard, he is confirmed to be Terran born by the way.
Blood in blood out.
A lot of times, it's suggested that Perturabo's ascended form is likened to the Ultimate Obliterator. I could see that.
Rather than Ascending as Undivided or as the Daemon Primarch of any Chaos God, I could see Perturabo absorbing the Warp Energies to ascend and becoming an Obliterator God. It would be the perfect form to attract Dark Mechanicum around him and create new armies centred around Traitor Machine Cults and Daemon Engines. And then becoming effectively the "New Malal", and oppose other Chaos Forces.
That's a genius idea when I picture it. Good call, GW better read this lol.
Personally I'd hate that, the aspect I like about the Iron Warriors is that they replace body parts influenced by the warp with mechanical parts. It shows that they use the warp and daemons as tools, which fits their brutal focus on efficiency.
@@Spartiatai300 the iron warriors abandoned and were abandoned by Perturabo. It makes perfect sense.
Also look at what happened on Mars with the Iron Warriors techmarine.
yes daddy
What did these guys expect when calling they called perturabo of all people weak, seriously either chaos is super cocky or stupid, everyone and their mother knows that would piss of perturabo to a point that even Khorne would notice
Nurgle took a gamble and picked at Perturabo's fears, probably hoping it would leave a lasting crack that would grow later. Or perhaps it was simply the messengers idea. Nevertheless I suppose when you command such power as a chaos god, a certain kind of arrogance is reasonable. Expected even, although wasted on primarchs such as Perturabo who cannot at this point truly know the extent of their power.
@@kesasika Nurgle didn't lie. Nurgle also isn't exactly gifted with a great deal of foresight or tactical genius. What he said was true, he was dying (as all living things are) and also a bit speculative (this guy can't beat a DP, he's going to need help). If anything, its classic Nurgle to offer a drowning man a life preserver, with the simple string attached that you join the family in return. He underestimated Perturabo's spirit... I'm impressed that he gave the chaos champ the option to say anything at all... but for sure you don't offer the leader of a proud military formation an option to surrender in front of his own men, without so much as a good reason. That was just silly.
And Khorne DID notice ... he looked at Perturabo and though "this is a guy to my liking" ... that is why he gave him "a weapon", the Obliterator Virus.
he manifested his spite as a weapon
Make Perturabo the first and only primarch dreadnaught! A super chaos dreadnaught screaming “iron without!” As he guns down loyal astartes
YES!!!!
Necron/ctann perturabo
Not chaos dreadnought he hates chaos
@@Jacobp-li9fi Hes a daemon primarch
@@Finalrellik99 I know it's still dumb though
I seriously hope you cover Angron vs Pert cause that scene is just great
This is the most likes I've ever gotten for real I'm speechless thank you everyone 💓
It is, and it is hilarious seeing as it is written in a way to make the reader believe Angron strung him along the whole "fight"
What story is this? Did they have a fight?
@@Ally.Cat.252 it may have been 'slaves to darkness'; but I can remember exactly. Pretty sure it's that one though.
Deffo
Any scene with Angron is awesome!
I would personally love if we had just one living traitor Primarch who never became a Daemon.
We do. Omegon.
Danielle Banyard He was killed as well. I know “muh alpha legion” but he is not a character GW will ever reveal with certainty that he is alive, and there will always just be “rumors” that he survived.
I mean, Curze is physically dead... but also rumored to be stuck in an Eldar soul gem.
@@TheTrveMothlord Hopefully that plot line doesn't get dropped.
@@kirkcannon8079 please drop it.
I don't even want to think of what happens if that is true and shit hits the fan.
Soul stone shatters, does slaanesh take interest because it's a elder spirit stone?
Does Ynari op mcguffin his soul to her side?
In either of those situations, I don't trust the gw writing team to do it justice.
I'm gonna say it again. I wish we had a loyal clone Perturabo over clone Fulgrim.
I want to see what Perturabo would've thought of the Death Korps.
Loyal perturabo on Krieg "I'll take your entire stock!!!"
Yea he would be rubbing his hands together mixed to the sounds of happy gasmask noises.
It would result in bigger gasmasks and deeper trenches.
Probably a recurring world for the reborn iron warriors, with a loyalist forgive me father for my sins Perturabo. Nice
Home is where you dig it, loyalist Perturabo would be the patron saint of Krieg.
Could this be why the emperor was so surprised when he heard that mortarion fell to nurgle as opposed to perturabo?
That or because Perterabo always wanted to be recognized for his accomplishments and Nurgle is basically the best dad in existence
@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 'tis tru that mr Nurgle is like the stinking grandad that buys you shit and turns up to the school play.
Mortarion was very vocally anti-psyker and had dedicated his early life to scouring Nurgle worshippers from Barbarous - I can see why the Emperor would be surprised by how the chips fell.
@@freethemarkets5188 good point well made. I tend to forget about that aspect of uncle morty that hates spoon bending shit..
40k, layers upon layers upon layers of irony.
Irony within
Well in Real life, when some one really hates a ideology or person, it means they Are obsessed with it.
The Iron Warriors really dodged a bolt shell there didn’t they? And the shell went right into the Death Guard. Damn Typhus
Perturabo: "Mortarion, duck!"
Mortarion: "Huh?"
Both: *"OOF!*
Nurgle: 😐 but also 🤷♂️🥳
@@hectorandem2944 Perturabo: "Mortarion, duck"
Mortarion: "Where?"
If GW somehow made the Dark Mechanicum a pseudo Chaos God or maybe a Chaos Omnissiah then Perturabo could be the Champion. The Daemon Forge worlds are supposed to be neutral in the lore so it wouldn't be surprising.
I think it's interesting to have two different manners of being an "Undivided Chaos" Daemon Primarch: one by sincerely worshiping the 4 Chaos Gods (Lorgar), one by worshiping none of them, only serving yourself and your hatred but still being their puppet against your own will (Perturabo). Maybe he didn't care about the Ruinous Powers but was still corrupted by the perspective of raw and huge power.
This kind of follows Archaon - he worshipped none yet was still their everchosen
Perturabo and the Night Lords (even if Curze lived I believe) were/are indifferent to the chaos gods. They were both angry with the Emperor for what they perceived as being lied to, used, and they foresaw being discarded eventually. They will use gifts only if it benefits them and does not enslave them. Think of the Oblivion virus (have no clue if its still canon or in their codexes).
Perty is the mirror of who is everchosen. Totally on the nose.
The Iron Warriors we chaos as a tool, something useful but not to be worshipped (besides the bare minimum of rituals needed to get them to play ball with you) and certainly not to be trusted. Other legions see mutation as a gift from the gods, the Iron Warriors chop off and burn their mutated limbs and replace them with cybernetics.
When it comes to Perturabo becoming a daemon prince, I like to think he had no choice, his time amongst the traitors had already damned him, so it was either die and let his soul be the plaything of the chaos gods with him unable to act, or accept their “gift” and become a plaything, but with some small amount of agency.
The Uriel Ventris novels give a pretty succinct example do the Iron Warrior’s mentality of brutal pragmatism. The daemonculaba, something so monstrous in its operation, was not built as an engine to give glory to the pantheon by some Word Bearer zealot, nor was it built as some bizarre apparatus of debauchery by some hedonist of the Emperor’s Children. It was built by the Iron 4th, because they needed more marines and deemed it to be the most expedient way to obtain them.
@ Kris M.
Well said brother, well said
Hydra Dominatus
I think Nurgle had his influence on Mortarion for a long time, given all the 7 symbolism, like "7 guards within 49 (7x7) meters of him", and the fast corruption right after the cleanse of the traitor legions on Istvan.
I think Nurgle wanted more than one champion
Exactly. Mortarion was already in the bag for Nurgle (it's so woven into his background that it looks like predestination to me - maybe part of the Emperor's unspeakable bargain with the ruinous powers was that one of his sons would *belong* to each of the four no matter what?). Perturabo was still up for grabs, and Nurgle got greedy.
He just wanted a family.
@No Rush that is an amazing interpretation!
This makes one appreciate more the War of Rust and Ruin - a war of the 42nd millennia fought between the Iron Warriors and Death Guard, led by their respective Primarchs, which was bloody for both sides but ended with the Iron Warriors legion completely mangled and forced to retreat following Nurgle unleashing a machine-corrupting plague on Perturabo's titans.
Now that this comment has been hearted by Wolf Lord Rho I just want to say I'm a big fan of this channel and make sure to watch just about every video you upload. The 40k community is blossoming on the internet but especially RUclips and it's very encouraging, since I first got into 40k back around 2011 when the 40k youtube community was in its nascent stage.
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I think if nurgle turned the lord of iron, he still would have gone for mortarion, he would just have 2 demon primarchs on his team, one of rust and one of death. Its said many times that nurgle has claimed mortarion as his own, so he was kinda just destined to be nurgles (prob because of his dads dealings in the warp), but i think the others were more up for grabs, and nurgle will sometimes just straight forward offer his gifts
I think I'd fit Perturabo best if he carved his way in the Eye of Terror without support from Gods or some petty Daemonhood.
I really wouldn't mind seeing a retcon as to un-daemon him.
Hmm might need some emperor cleansing on guilliman's part or the ynari
Redemption arc where Guilliman asks him to redesign the Imperial Palace.
then he would be a mutant. in his daemon form at least he can take whatever shape he wanted. also he wanted immortality just like the others, but wanted to do it better than them. the others are direct tools of the gods, each loyal to one. but Pert as undivided is more let loosethan controlled, his general actions fuel the 4 but he is never used directly for the gods would not rely on a weapon that could the next day serve their brothers. thus he has more liberty than any other daemon primarch. you can see it, magnus has acted in tzeentchs will, mortarion too, as well as angron, while fulgrim is a total mystery, he might have even fought in the warp in the great game. but meanwhile, Lorgar was left alone for 10k years to meditate and do his own thing, just as pert secluded hiself in mendregard. we see the same schema in all undivided princes, they retain the greatest independence.
thus Pert can call upon the might of the 4 gods. he will never bend plague like mortarion, or change like Magnus, but he is versatile.
I would've preferred if he made his own rogue empire, who fights boths chaos and the imperium
@@NovaSoldier Have Malal take interest in him, as he is the Chaos god of 'those who serve that which they hate'. Perturabo served the Imperium during the Crusade despite coming to loath it, and we all know what the Iron Warriors think of Chaos. Have the Legion as a whole turn to Malice and screw over everyone's plans.
It does make sense, the Iron Warriors' MO is a lot like the Death Guard in the sense of wearing their enemies down through constant, grinding pressure, albeit more based on mechanized warfare
I never thought i would say this, but i most symphatise with Perturabo, and am starting to think he is my favorite primarch.
Nurgle would've loved the conceit of the Iron Warriors, rusted by his power into something decayed and broken, but still strong enough for his purposes. The Death Guard were already there. There's no fun to be had from their fall, it was just a matter of going through the motions.
Well if any chaos god would "just go through the motions" it would be Nurgle
@@quicksilvertongue3248 ... nice!
It’s 4am and I’ve just binge watched this entire series so far. This stuff is amazing, and it’s so great to finally see the Iron Warriors get the love they deserve. I really hope we get to see more of these legion weeks in the future, keep it up my man :)
Who knew that when Perturabo hit something with Forgebreaker he was actually being merciful? The One Punch Primarch.
Solo a gunship with only but bare fists, god damn it Perturabo
I'd love a retcon for 40k iron warriors that's makes them less chaos-y if that makes any sense. More technological monsters than mutants. Using all those robots of Perturabos design rather than demons
Look into the Iron Warriors and the Deamonculaba.
Leutin09 does one AMAZING story.
Heretek astartes would be an interesting concept.
Dumb idea. Perturabo becomes the Omnissiah of the dark mechanicum? Thats what comes to mind when you mentioned technological monsters, haha.
I don't know much about the new lore, but classically Mortarions backstory makes him the better choice. The thing about Nurgle that makes him interesting his how he's a fatherly figure, and his cohort acts like an insane family more than a military. Mortarion needed a father figure, and his experience overcoming the toxic mess of his world really suits him to the nurgle motif. The real question for me was always how he orgaized the deathguard after they switched. I would have thought that the order of battle would just completely collapsed. New legions switching to Nurgle would just blend in. For some reason, I never saw Nurgle's desire to convert them as anything other than Nurgle being Nurgle... he's have taken all the legions if he could, and it would have been more of an adoption than a seduction. Mortarion isn't necessarily the only Primarch that could have fit in, but for the sake of the stories (which were written specifically for each of them afterall) his makes more sense than anyone.
Ohhhhh snap. I've been working on a theory about where the Primarchs *should* have ended up. Always suspected Perturabo was meant for Nurgle instead of Mortarion (by the EMP's design). A bit like how Angron and the world eaters are obviously Khorne's consolation prize over the *blood drinking berserker* Blood Angels, but in reverse.
Who did the Emperor plan on giving to Tzeentch? Alpharius?
And this is why I respect Pert and not Morty. Mortarion can shove his "Can Endure Anything" where the sun don't shine. When it comes down to brass tacks, the Lord of Iron did not kneel and Morty did.
Iron Warriors > Death Guard.
@Miguel Mauro I'm sure Magnus and the Thousand Sons must have had the time of their lives laughing at how the most anti-Psyker Primarch is now a walking talking wellspring of Warp energy.
I like both legions. Morty sacrificed himself to save his ENTIRE Legion of his sons that had been betrayed by Typhus and Nurgle. Perty never had to make a choice like that. No primarch did except for Morty. So yes, Morty can in fact endure anything because 10k plus years later he still hates Nurgle for forcing that decision on him. The only reason Morty turned was to save his sons. No other primarch hell not even the Emperor can say they made that level of sacrifice.
Bulwyf so true... how many primarchs would make that same sacrifice?
@@bulwyf2572 the Emperor would've told Nurgle to get fucked and then let his son suffer to save humanity.
@@ironstarofmordian7098 that's exactly what he did. the emperor supposedly knew the heresy was going to happen and basically sacrificed the sons who would do the least amount of damage to humanity. i may be wrong though
Correction: Lorgar worships the warp in it's entirety which the pantheon takes up a huge part of. His search is for "The Truth" behind everything. If i had to guess:
* Perturabo managed to barter with/fool all of the pantheon to ascend him, as he would still be more useful to them as shared than dead.
* While Lorgar, which wasn't in high standing with anyone in the pantheon at the time of his ascension, was instead ascended by the warp, the Empyrean itself.
God the Iron Warriors are so damn cool, just no nonsense whatsoever. Loyalist Iron warriors like Dantioch and his lads are amongst my favorite aesthetics in the 40k universe.
Same brother
Sons of Horus were always kind of sprinkled in to the various Chaos/Traitor, I hesitate to call them "Legions" more like collections/troops of respective Chaos Gods. Whenever there would be a large group of Chaos Marines, let's say to Nurgle there would be a line like "...and there were more than Mortarion' sons. World Eaters, Word Bearers and even Sons of Horus could be made out through their stained livery but all marching under Nurgles banner." or something to that effect.
Be interesting to see Perturabo & Vashtorr team up
It's possible Nurgle wanted both of them, for why settle for one primarch when you can have two? All four of the chaos gods would have probably wanted to get as many primarchs as they could, but because of the very nature of each primarch some would have naturally been drawn to a particular god and not been possible to sway from that god by the others. However, any primarch that hadn't joined any god could still yet be swayed in any one direction should that god find a way to do so, thus being highly sought after by all four and probably even fought over. Each of the gods would probably all attempt to petition Purturabo to join their cause, this being an attempt by Nurgle
So perturabo is basically the belle of the ball and nurgle the nerd khorne the jock tzeentch the head of year and slaanesh the trans rocker chick who smokes drinks and snorts coke in the girls toilets
On top of that, if you think about Perturabo as master of attrition it doesn't look out of place for him to draw Grandfather's attention.
The "Extra" Daemon Primarchs:
Perturabo = Nurgle
Sanguinius = Khorne
Jagathai = Slaanesh
Lion = Tzeentch
(my headcanon is that Angron and Mortarion were actually the second choice of their respective gods)
@swearwords
Khorne = The Jock on roids
Tzeentch = The Weird Nerd
Nurgle = The Unhigyenic "nice" guy
Slaanesh = That party animal that does all sorts of drugs
@@PhoenixFlame321 Your headcannon is the same headcannon that thinks Alpha Legion is Loyal and clone fulgrim will beat OG fulgrim...
No.
Mortarion was addicted to the number 7, resilience, chem warfare, even before he was a demon.
This has been a really awesome Iron Warriors week. I have started to enjoy their legion more. Thank you for the great content Wolf Lord Rho.
Thanks so much for the video and sharing.
I think you may be a bit off on Nurgle's ultimate intentions. Gaining Perturabo to his cause or allegiance would not safeguard Mortarion and seeking Perturabo before anyone or after anyone doesn't really express any preference by Nurgle or any chaos god. Nurgle wants all of them, Tzeentch wants all of them, Khorne and Slannesh wants all of them if they can have them. It will give them that tip in the balance over the rest of the ruinous power pantheon. They constantly vie for Abaddon. They constantly seek to take Guilliman if they can have them. The chaos gods seek any and all that will help tip the great game to their advantage in the warp and in the materium.
Nurgle wants them all.
Your voice, the background music, and the flickering firefly like spore serve to calm the soul. You should do readings of the various novels man.
Wolf Lord Rho, I missed your 50k special but I wanted to say that it's awesome you're making it big on YT, you're one of the most genuine sounding 40k RUclipsrs and manage to get so much in short videos. Thanks, and I look forward to your 100k special!
So much iron warrior love, what a week, what a sensational week!
A very extremely awesome video as always Wolf Lord Rho.
No thanks nurgul. I want to lose weight
Mad Pyer Wut U sayin bout my mama?
@@therussiangovernment8510 komrade
Perturabo is very underrated by most. I like him behind Horus, Konrad and Magnus. That and his legion is whole in 40K makes him one of the biggest threats.
The whole horus heresy is just a warning tale of what inept parenting can get you, magnus was never given the whole picture, perturabo was never appreciated, fulgrims ambition was never tempered, angron was left with the butchers nails and was never sent to therapy, mortarion was chugging poison every day and wasn't taught conflict resolution which his legion could use a lesson on, horus was never reassured, konrad could've used some therapy as well and maybe some primarch grade thorizine, apharius and omegron could have used some strict discipline along with reassurance about the big E's plan and well fuck lorgar there is no saving that one
Angron wasn't aborted*
I think Nurgle knew: he already had Mortarion and his legion in his pocket. He just wanted more.
You did it again Rho. Perturabo has never been very interesting to me but now he seems kinda awesome lol
Angron lifted a titans foot off Logar. Horus freared him, Russ, and Sanguineous the most in combat. He didn't lose because he couldn't beat him. He lost because it was apart of something bigger.
I'm so glad you're covering my favorite primarch and traitor legion. Iron Within! Iron without!
I feel like Perturabo initially scorning 'gifts' from Chaos is right for his character, and I choose to accept his eventual ascension as a sort of martyrdom: a way to punish himself (in a typically twisted way), as oppose to a logical/desired path. Not exactly rocket science but head-cannon fixes all. More great videos, thanks!
The working of chaos corruption was slow to rust his iron.
He talks about wanting to master chaos like an technology, he sees Horus in the siege books and wants the power but wants to learn it’s in and outs and wants to control it, while he believes Horus took too much power and that said power was controlling him not the other way around. It’s a really cool passage on the vengeful spirt I believe it’s either the 1st or 2nd siege book it’s in.
I like this.
I just bought the novel from this vid. It looks amazing. The beginning of the book is killer.
Yea, I changed my mind... I would still like to see what a demon Perturabo would look like... but based on his intelligence and how awesome he is... I hope they retcon his daemonhood... Besides he's is about as nuts a Kurze, but more controlled and calculating... thats enough for me...
Perturabo beat Fulgrim,Angron,nearly annialated the Fists (iron cage). Killed a squad of Fist Terminators aboard his flagship. Shimm shammed the Lions war engines from him and has a cohesive legion after 10000 yrs. all the Iron Warriors are waiting on is to be called home by Perturabo.
How did he become a daemon Prince when none of the powers supported him. Chaos undivided doesn't cut it for me
Kinda gives creedence to the theory of a greater singular undivided chaos entity tho
@@luna-c7610 its a bit wishy washy in my opinion
Real talk, recannon Malal and make Iron Daddy Perturabo align his stupid undivided chaos daemon ass with that smelly wolf fucker who hates everything chaos.
Would make for a better story than just simply "he's a chaos undivided now, be very very scared"
I always assumed he just embraced the Obliterator Virus, and of course being a Primarch he could probably meld it to suit his needs and not go insane from overusing it, an Oblit isn't tied to any god it's just a weird chaos warp virus thing that can claim anyone strong enough to support it, so when he finally gets a 40k model i'd assume hes just a big chunky guy with guns growing from his wrists and shoulders + his old Forgebreaker hammer
@Joe Alexander it doesn't work that way
It's good that they have followed up this issue... Perturabo WAS sapped on Fulgrim's ascension.
I'm not sure if he was dying. Nurgle's emotion du jour is despair. He could have just been trying to play on a fear of Perturabo. Potentially, he was dying but not figuratively. Spiritually. The hole in his soul was sapping his sanity.
I think Nurgle was trying to be greedy. If he had two Chaos Legions though, that would have made for more plagues
I Cato Sicarius still think he’s a coward
Thank you Cato, very cool
I agree
I Cato Sicarius Who would win between you and constantin valdor in melee ?
@@raidenj1295 captain Titus beats the both of them.
You should burn the garden
I wouldn’t say he wanted Perturabo over Mortarion, it’s more likely he wanted both or whatever he could get.
The death guard are just a better fit in general for Nurgle, they’re the toughest of the legions.
As i said in other comments, pert actively sought daemonhood,however he sought it in a different kind. he saw what became of his brothers who had all become pawns of their respective gods. what i see as possible is that he read the book of Lorgar in his search for information. remember Lorgar gave each traitor brother an individualized copy of his book, which we know holds information about chaos, as well as encantations, spells and rituals as seen within the book Vengeful spirit where Horus uses his book to bind a daemon. Thus Perturabo must have deduced that by pledging himself to all 4, like Lorgar, he can attain immortality and power just like his brothers and at the same time retain a higher degree of independence. he is probably aware that the gods will someday give him commands but due to their main focus being on the great game, they dont usually directly command undivided daemon princes, because the very next day they might serve another brother. it is more that their general actions fuel all 4 of them and can be used effectively against other foes aside from their brothers. i mean just look at it. all divided daemon princes or primarchs have acted in the name of their gods in several occasions, Mortarion in the scourge stars conquering for nurgle or Magnus in the stygius sector. meanwhile Pert has been left alone to do whatever he pleases for 10k years, same with Lorgar. in fact Most undivided princes in lore act more upon their own ambitions than in the name of the gods (because inevitabely their goals will benefit the gods in one way or another).
Slight correction, Lorgar is busy running away from Warp- Corvus Corax.
I would love if you covered the fight between Angron and Perturabo. I have always wondered how he beat Angron!
He literally shot the living crap out of Angron and hit him to pieces with his hammer. Perty absolutely demolished Angron and could have killed him (as much as you can kill a demon, Angron would just go back to the warp) but brought him back as Horus had ordered. It is easily one of the best scenes Perty gets in the HH series.
It’s amazing how effective digging a hole and sitting in it with big fucking guns can be, even against a charging daemon primarch
It is a great fight, precisely because Perturabo is outclassed as a melee combatant. He uses tactics, firepower and pure will to not so much defeat Angron but withstand Angron, who is running low on Warp juice. Angron is still a beast, and lands a blow so good, it would have killed most other Primarchs, before Perturabo's delaying strategy secures him the win. It took pure Iron to bring Angron around and get him to Horus.
@Cian Abroad True, like Russ did in the "Night of the Wolves" Perturabo outmanoeuvred The World Eater and unlike Russ was able to make Angron see sense long enough to work together.
Simple good king. Perty shot up angron like he was a school. Be aware that it wasn't easy but in the end angron. The walking rape machine was bested by the primarch with the coolest guns. Unlike that dog Russ
I’m a big nightlords fan but man I’m loving the iron warriors
I'm a big IW fan but man I love the Night Lords
Interesting. I remember the 2012 CSM codex describing how in M32, Perturabo had made a pact with Nurgle before attacking an Imperial world. I guess they patched things up.
This is really a special channel, I love it. What would You say, Lord Rho, about some Night Lords stories from their novels by Aaron Dembski-Bowden?
I haven’t read them yet. But I have them to start soon!
Honestly, with the way they fight the Iron Warriors would have been better champions of Nurgle.
8:37 This,I hope they give us a good reason for Perturabo's ascension.
Doesn't Nurgle and friends accuse everyone of dying? That's like their sales pitch
I mean technically everyone is dying all the time. (With the possible exception of Perpetuals like Big E, Vulkan, Erda and John Grammaticus.)
@@quicksilvertongue3248 I have terrible news for you about Erda...
After Slaves to Darkness and seeing a pre-amped Pert take on and beat a post-amped Angron when everyone and their mothers made Angron seem unstoppable before the amp up, Perturabo is my favorite traitor primarch, hands down. You're not a loyalist if your favorite loyalist ain't Vulkan.
Feeling the same here. Perturabo and Vulkan as favourites as well. Mortarion is up there as well, I think he has the best origin story.
@@Spartiatai300 #verbatim
Perturabo and Corax here.
Well this video alone was worth me subscribing to your channel! Keep up the amazing videos!
I would lover to see him fight Dorn and his yellow boys as a daemon primarch. Could be a cool story seeing those two are such loving brothers lol
@Leagle Eagle Dorn At said time was 6 years deep Into an increasingly one sided defensive war against all of the traitor Legions.
Dorn was probably beyond exhausted in spirit, Mental capacity and likely sleep deprived (which for a primarch would probably take a few years of getting 1-2 hours sleep every week.)
Also let us not forget that Rogal Dorns genes spawned the op fuck you Sigismund!!!
I'd like to think that Dorns fighting prowess under optimal conditions would be able to handle pre daemon perto.
But that's just my take on it.
@@Benthesniperof8 lotta crutches to walk by written down
Me looking at my Nurgle-themed Iron Warriors:
"It's okay children, Nurgle still likes you... even if P-Daddy refused him."
Wow ! Would love to see a cinematic of this .
I just figure that the “you are dying” is less to Pert specifically and more because Nurgle and his sphere, his beliefs and what-not. Nature and cycles
I think personally, each of the Chaos Gods is greedy and always seeking an edge over the others. Its why Khorne wanted the World Eaters AND the Blood Angels. With 2 Legions to the other gods' 1 apiece they would have that much more of an advantage over the others
Maby Perturabo chose deamonhood to get that sweet immortality buff.
he was already biologically immortal. i just think hes a sad, beaten man.
He's a petulant child that sees his legion as toys.
@@juliuscross3324 Not really toys, he wasn't toying with them just used as tools in his infinite pursuit to heal his own broken ego.
Haven't they ever heard of the dragonballs?
@Zoomer Waffen
Some people can only look at traitor primarchs with disdain.
He's my second favorite Chaos lord after Alpharius.
You sound like how I expect a guardsman to sound, love it
I really hope they do a Scouring series so I can read about the Iron Cage and Perturabo's ascension. I'm really curious as to what makes him choose to do it
I love the Iron Warriors. My homebrew chapter is a successor to the Minotaurs and thus of Iron Warriors stock (presumably).
Perturabo is a perfect example of a collaboration of Khorne and Nurgle with a tactical mind of Tzeentch. Perturabo being the biggest Obliterator.
What about the Forge of Souls? If I remember correctly it has three oaths, one is to protect the Forge from any and all chaos gods. Could Perturabo be undivided via the forge?
Yes. Absolutely.
This is what I ultimately want if we have to ride with the daemon pact.
I absolutely loved this video!
I Agee with you on that. If Abbadon can resist the gifts and was a standard astartes. Perturabo could do it much easier.
Another great one , I alwaya stop what I'm doing to enjoy these .
Should have made him renegade .
Perturabo is described as physically one of the strongest Primarchs, his fists being able to hit with the force of a plasma gun.
Today, he's described as "the ultimate Obliterator". I think he would appear as a warped, top heavy version of his original self, with weapons and spikes sticking out every crevice and the corrupted hammer, Forgebreaker clutched in his right hand.
Who in there right mind would want to be blessed by Nurgle?
I got here 5 seconds after uploading lol. That's the earliest I have e er been to a video lol
What would be cool, Perturabo enlists Fabulous Bob to make him new body, this goes somewhat well, Perturabo now has uncorrupted flesh but Daemon Primarch "soul" and goes around as a renegade Primarch fighting forces both traitor and loyalist acting like the Space A-Team.
The grim nature of the IW fits Nurgle. But for the elevation to Daemonhood, I feel like Belakor or something like it would come into play.
Thank you for this, no one ever shows him love
The iron warriors would fit perfectly to nurgle, though even more so to Malal. Perturabo might be a deamonprince of Malal
Alpharius is more adeqate for Malal.
I see this fits with "The Board is Set" story about Mortarion's piece and the Emperor's reaction to it