Perturabo hopes for the best, but prepares for the worst. But if you reason your way through every possibility, all the time, that eventually takes its toll on any human being, Perturabos ability to calculate eventually overwhelms his ability to hope. Moreover, because he is seen as calculating by everyone and because of his title of Lord of iron, combined with his strong desire not to be a disappointment, he portrays himself as calculating and is seen as calculating by others. Its no wonder he fell - even the most calculating of his brothers had something or someone to treat him as a man, rather than a machine. Tale well told, Skald.
i dont think anyone ever gave him a hug when he was still a child/young-man in primarch standards. going your whole developmental stage without affection would take its toll.
No one noticing how Perturabo is able to SEE the Emperor's radiance, even visually obscured by a storm? He was psychicly active, although heavily suppressed later on. That's why he was always 'seeing the Eye of Terror' when he looked at the night sky on random planets.
@@Denverl8868 I'm not so sure about that. There is evidence, especially in his interactions with Lorgar, that the draw between Primarchs was still very active in him. A connection they all shared; essentially what allowed Rogal Dorn to know which of the figures before him was Alpharius...And it seems Angron still had that in him.
@@monkeybusiness673 yes but I think his abilities are crippled. He may still have a connection to the warp, the emperor and his brothers but he lack the capacity to use it. Therefore even with all the training in the world he can't use his powers.
@@Denverl8868 Yeah, that's true. But then again not all the Primarchs were gifted Psykers. Angron did never rely on, or even recognize, his psychic talent, and he couldn't have cared less about it. Indeed few of the Primarchs DID acknowledge, and then hone, their talents. But I find it an interesting piece of lore that all of them had the psychic spark,and it played out Oh so very differently for all of them.
To the people wondering what the tubes going into Perturabo's head are for: they are a highly sophisticated archeotech machinery from the Dark Age of Technology that feed his insecurities right into his cerebral cortex.
So basically, its like the butcher's nails... but injects Insecurities... Me: **Contemplating on getting one** Me: Naaaah... We already have it! Its built-in! **sheds a tear**
This scene of him climbing the mountain is a great metaphor for Iron Warriors doctrine, he climbs the mountain no matter the injury, altitude sickness or hypothermia. He's set his mind on the objective, and nothing will come between him and it. He's absolutely smart enough to go about this another way but it's like subconsciously he's decided the most efficient way is to drag himself up the mountain driven by emotion rather than logic. Wouldn't be long after this that the rest of the iron warriors would be marching over each others corpses dragging themselves up battlements in much the same fashion
Ah Perturabo. His sister summed it up perfectly. He was a genius and had such brilliant dreams. But it was not because he was unappreciated, that he fell. It was because he never allowed himself to believe he could let his guard down and talk to others. If he did, he would've learned Rogal Dorn wasn't making fun of him at the victory toast and, honestly, the two could've had a great bond.
He was treated badly by the emperor and he did grow up on Olympia and the people there were terrible had he grown elsewhere or was found earlier in the time line maybe he wouldnt have switched
Perturabo has been one of my favorite Primarchs since I first started learning the lore of 40k. His story is a truly tragic one. A brilliant architect that wanted to be accepted for his works of architectural art, but abused for his masterful siege warfare knowledge.
@@seekingabsolution1907 pretty much; kind of how he felt about himself too. He knew he was capable of crafting wonders of architecture and engineering, but more often than not was relegated to "ditch digger" as one of his brothers so nicely put it. Making him feel the same way an art lover would feel about michaelangelo's David statue being used as a battering ram
I believe the Emperor only foresaw a few things in the future, we dont know his motives or much of how he thought and would truly act. Which I think is a good thing honestly, leave the Emperor an enigma. But I believe he only knew or chose to know that his son would betray him or he chose not to look at all and just saw the pain and sorrow of his son and his achievements on a planet of schemers
It could be the Emperor looked too closely at Perturabo and soul read his psyche, his petty, insecure, boastful, jealous demeanour and felt sadness. And then quickly shook it off judging that with his guidance and putting him to work doing what he was intended for he would change. That's what makes sense to me anyway
The Emps is a great psyker, and during the height of the Great Crusade he was almost a minor god powerwise. But he was no Tzeentch, and even in all his wisdom and might, he could not forsee all possibilities, for the warp currents are way to chaotic at this time to be able to do it. So yeah, he screwed big time in some things because he gambled big, though I think he underestimated the dangers of the warp and the ability to withhold such information from even his Primarchs.
I'm willing bet that he couldn't see everything, couldn't clearly see what was to come through one reason: He had to power the Astronomicon for the Great Crusade all through out as the Imperium needed it for safe passage within warp travel. I'm guessing that it drained him a good deal, enough to cloud his foresight as he needed its light to stretch across the galaxy. At some cases he could guess of what come of his sons, be confidant in some of them, or hope for the best in others as he went along to do his projects or join the Great Crusade here and there for some campaigns. That's just me though.
*Perturabo:* " *sight* Why is dad taking so long to arrive ? Oh well, I have some spare time, might as well take over the planet, push science and technology forwards a few centuries and create world peace. Wish there was something interesting or challenging for me to do, I AM SO BORED !"
I don't think even if Perturabo was redeemed, he would be happy to see the Emperor. Remember when Guilliman first came back with his audience with the Emperor, if he was treated the same as Guilliman, then it would only push Perturabo further down into chaos. He treated Gulliman as a tool rather than a son, and if thats how he reacts to one of the loyalist primarchs returning, just imagine what he would say or do to Perturabo.
Oh I agree. It’s a bit of a “what if?” Thought. I was thinking something more along the lines of the emperor speaking to Curze before the end. A very poignant moment. (If indeed it was real)
As someone commented on a previous video the emp More then likely no longer has the capacity to feel anything let alone human emotion Wolf, you've shown plenty of times the emp does care and does treat them as sons ( a bit hit and miss though ) Residing on the golden throne is a husk and a voice That's it
@@claydud271 I think what you refer to is a repeated red herring in lore. A weapon cannot lead, does not instill loyalty, only kill and break things. The primarchs are created to build a civilization for all humanity, then lead and protect it. A gun is a weapon, the man that wields it is so much more.
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The irony is that, of all the times in his life when he could have been paranoid, this was one occasion when Perturabo wasn't remotely paranoid enough. We know that the Emperor hardly ever tells the whole truth, even to his closest confidantes. Perturabo, whose paranoia is usually his greatest vice, makes the mistake of trusting him without reservation.
In pre-Socratic times, in the Heraclitian fragments and Homer's rhapsodies, Logos had meanings wholly different from Ratio. Two of such meanings were Fire and War.
I feel mabye Big E's sadness was because of Perturabos eger willingness too serve dispite not knowing the tasks layed out ahead of him. Here is his son who by design will win no glory, acumalate no fame, have his legion ground into the mud time and time again. But dispite all that he knew Perturabo would follow, but prehaps not the toll it would take. I dunno mabye 😅
For all his famed brilliance, sometimes I find the Emperor really dumb, because you really need to try hard to turn such an obedient and benevolent son into a daemon prince.
I find myself liking the theory that Big E orchestrated the heresy more & more. Only way to understand his actions toward Angron, Lorgar & maybe Magnus.
Was Perturabo always half cyborg looking or was this done to him voluntarily in Olympia or when he was augmented into Primarch level space marine armor upon his uniting with Big E?
Doc Bravo seems to have happened after he became primarch of his legion, his armour is called the logos and was something he designed himself. The data tendrils in his head allowed him to absorb massive amounts of tactical data from his legion and battle fleet so it sounds like he had them implanted voluntarily.
You need to read the passage of the short story (cant remember the name right now) on Perturabo where it is told that he always bullied his stepbrother and demanded that they compete in fabrixating tools and art, desptie that he would always win as a superhuman. But one day when his stepbrother bested him and created the finest statue Olympia has ever seen, Perturabo got angry linke a spolied child and destoryed the statue. That tells a LOT about his later behaviour.
That part you have just read, is truly a beautiful scene. And yes this is a surprise to see for the first time, Perturabo displaying his emotions, in front of his father when he first sees him. All he ever wanted was to belong in his father's vision and get some credit. Despite him becoming the paranoid, cold hearted, hate filled lord of Iron in the Horus Heresy, he is still my favourite Primarch, next to the Khan and the Night Haunter.
During the early stages of the Siege of Terra, Perturabo was not allowed to lead the siege of the Imperial Palace but instead fortify the Sol System against Guilliman's expected arrival, something that embittered him greatly... 😈
This book had me feeling and truly appreciate the Primarch he could have been. If a Primarch were to be come back to the light I would for it to be Perturabo or Curze
Definitely cruze, I feel like he the one who tries to do good but gave in into his madness, remember from his early life he tried to bring order in his homeworld.
Of all the Traitor Primarchs, Perturabo was the only one who had a just cause to rebel. His sons were being sent to be slaughtered in their thousands in sanity destroying, mind-numbing sieges. Perturabo's mind was as brilliant as any of the other Primarchs, yet he was never allowed to show his peers what wonders he was capable of creating. Instead he was considered nothing more than a beast of war, and he wen't deeply under-appreciated by all of the Imperium. Sadly Games Workshop went the way of making Perturabo into a Daemon Primarch. If you ask me, his story would be infinitely more compelling if he had remained "mortal" (as mortal as a Primarch can be any way). This especially also plays into the idea, that Perturabo is the only Traitor Primarch that can be redeemed.
Mortarion chose to save his chapter rather than let it perish needlessly. I'm willing to bet that a single conversation with him before that moment about the importance of sacrifice for the greater good would have given him the courage to hold on to the last man... but apparently the emperor didn't think that was something you should have to tell a Primarch that has serious daddy issues. He's watching his family rot in their armor and is given a way out. I think thats about as much of a just cause as any. It wasn't a strike against the emperor as much as him taking up the responsibility for his chapter in place of the Emperor. If the emperor himself had been in that situation, what would he have done? Blameless I say!
It can be argued that Perturabo would’ve stayed loyal if not for the insurrection on Olympia. After Perturabo and his legion massacred the population, Perturabo broke down mentally and was at his weakest point. Perturabo believed that he and his legion would’ve been destroyed by the Emperor for what they did. Horus took advantage of this, he congratulated the Iron Warriors for their actions and manipulated the Legion into joining his rebellion.
"Hiya pops! You probably landed on this mountain for the magnificent view. Why, from up here you can see hundreds of open patches of land that are easily accessible without climbing, frostbite, or asphyxia. Like that one, way over there, between my house and that cozy little cafe."
14:00 That the Custodians raised the arms and the emperor being sad may hint at the primarks which got killed off , maybe one of them reminded him of peturabo and the custodians having a dejavu raised there weapons , feeling they have to kill of a third son of the emperor
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This series literally made me subscribe to your channel. Perturabo is one of the most capable of the Emperor's son's when it comes to sucess of a war, the business end of it anyway. Unfortunately, in comparison to the other primarch's he lacks the self-esteem of his brothers. Your discussions about this really intrested me about he couldn't find his own value, and depended on others to define it. The tyrant, the emperor, and his brother's lack of affirmation for his value created all of his self-doubt. Imagine if he could find his value in this age. He could be best hope for the Imperium, or the ultimate reason why it falls if he does not...
of all the traitor primarchs I find Perturabo,Magnus, and Angron to be the most tragic and unfortunate cases. All Perturabo wanted was the love of his father and recognition which he honestly deserved not more than his brothers but as well as them. he should be viewed as great as Rogal because he is. he is the perfect complement to Dorns defensive mindset. The Iron Lord's Offensive capabilities even surpassed Dorns IMO. but He was denied that and for no good reason really. it's heart breaking
The Emperor was the embodiment of humanity throughout 30k timeline even if laden with secrets I think he cared for his sons. The time in the golden throne had robbed him of that humanity.
If only Dorn hadn't been such an uptight hardass then he and Perty could have been friends. Imagine the fortresses those two would have designed together.
This book and Angel Exterminatuas give tremendous insight into the true heart of Perturabo. He was a genius and was dismayed at the use of his talents after 2 centuries of war. The final insult was his design being used for the Council of Nikea. Something he designed to express human art was turned into a court to condemn and divide his brothers. He was absolutely paranoid but you could argue rightfully so for his accumulative life experiences.
While Horus was the Emperor's most dear son, Guilliman the more human, Perturabo would had been the more son of the Primarchs, for the lack of a better word. How would you describe the other 15?(Angron out of the question, the man was just insane)
This is difficult, you can say some like Vulkan would be best brother, but others like Curze and Alpharius, well. Considering their (theorized) roles post-great crusade could help, but the role within "family" is much less clear to infer.
I think the tragedy of Perturabo and the Emperor is a lot like Mortarion's relationship with him. They will resent him like they did their foster fathers and feel as though they have been exploited.
From iron cometh strength From strength cometh will From will cometh faith From faith cometh honor From honor cometh iron This is the Unbreakable Litany. May it forever be so. The never ending grinding, attritional seige warfare without respite or praise finally broke their will. Without will they lost faith. Without faith they lost Honour. Without honour the iron fell to rust
I honestly think that Emps knew what was going to happen but didn't really know details. I think he knew that he was going to be betrayed by some of his sons but didn't know exactly who.
And yet with some, did nothing to address their concerns (e.g. Horus' constant imposter syndrome when made Warmaster) or grievances (e.g. Angron and Perturabo) and with others (e.g. Lorgar) practically _drove_ them away from him? 🤔 Does he even know who Alpharius/Omegon are?
@James Espinosa Because of that his flagship doesn't have any windows because he knows everything that is going on. and can control it by remote The computer in his suit is actually the most deadliest weapon he has because he can even call in an orbital strike.
Hahaha... my dear Wolf Rho, always the apathetic fathers son, so kind, makes me wonder if it’s Space Wolves blood running in your veins, you know better than to think the Emperor didn’t know how it would end for each of his sons, that sadness in his eyes you know what the Emperor was thinking, Perturabo from his very origins was made a creature of undeniable perseverance, always climbing to the top, you know when the Emperor approached him for the first time Perturabo knew the Emperor was his own personal mount Olympus and the only way to get to the top is by learning all the Emperor had to offer then he believed he would get to the top and become a God!. This is the creature the Emperor made , and when the Emperor asked if he would join him in his crusade, he could feel Perturabos words being false he could hear the tactician in him agreeing with all his might and hunger to eventually surpass him, this is the sadness the Emperor knew would become his unmaking.
17:11 that could be a cool plot thing. Maybe the Emperor speaks to him through sheer psychic power, commanding him to come back, perhaps reminding him of his belonging to the Imperium. I honestly think that could be pretty cool. Perturabo betraying his legion, and trying to break free from the grasp of the Chaos Gods.
Perturabo's mind is so driven by logic that he eventually logics his way into insanity. He's so sure he's right that the idea that he's wrong drives him insane. He digs is, knowig that the LOGICAL thing to do is to open up, but he's so sure of his own logic that the fact that he's wrong make him do the things he knows are wrong in the hopes that things will come all the way around again that maybe his mistakes will be nullified.
These puppies are just fluffy babies brother. The cutest lifeforms maybe, yes. But babies happen to do annoying stuff all day without knowing any better, which is trying at times. But you are the mighty Wolf Lord, establish dominance, yet issue love often, and you will have a companion unrivaled in all the galaxy!
And eventually find the emperor cruel he did. It feels like the gulf with his adopted father reemerged between himself and the emperor as the crusade wore on.
That thing he says about the emperor looking sad, the question is was that true or just in Perturabo's head? His own self-doubts and stuff coming through even in their very first meeting.
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Perturabo hopes for the best, but prepares for the worst. But if you reason your way through every possibility, all the time, that eventually takes its toll on any human being, Perturabos ability to calculate eventually overwhelms his ability to hope. Moreover, because he is seen as calculating by everyone and because of his title of Lord of iron, combined with his strong desire not to be a disappointment, he portrays himself as calculating and is seen as calculating by others. Its no wonder he fell - even the most calculating of his brothers had something or someone to treat him as a man, rather than a machine.
Tale well told, Skald.
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i dont think anyone ever gave him a hug when he was still a child/young-man in primarch standards. going your whole developmental stage without affection would take its toll.
No one noticing how Perturabo is able to SEE the Emperor's radiance, even visually obscured by a storm? He was psychicly active, although heavily suppressed later on. That's why he was always 'seeing the Eye of Terror' when he looked at the night sky on random planets.
All primarchs are psychic, just in different potency, but even the weakest one has te potential to be at least an alpha psyker.
@@NueThunderKing except for angron .After the butcher nails he lost all connexion to his powers
@@Denverl8868 I'm not so sure about that. There is evidence, especially in his interactions with Lorgar, that the draw between Primarchs was still very active in him. A connection they all shared; essentially what allowed Rogal Dorn to know which of the figures before him was Alpharius...And it seems Angron still had that in him.
@@monkeybusiness673 yes but I think his abilities are crippled. He may still have a connection to the warp, the emperor and his brothers but he lack the capacity to use it. Therefore even with all the training in the world he can't use his powers.
@@Denverl8868 Yeah, that's true. But then again not all the Primarchs were gifted Psykers. Angron did never rely on, or even recognize, his psychic talent, and he couldn't have cared less about it. Indeed few of the Primarchs DID acknowledge, and then hone, their talents.
But I find it an interesting piece of lore that all of them had the psychic spark,and it played out Oh so very differently for all of them.
To the people wondering what the tubes going into Perturabo's head are for: they are a highly sophisticated archeotech machinery from the Dark Age of Technology that feed his insecurities right into his cerebral cortex.
So basically, its like the butcher's nails... but injects Insecurities...
Me: **Contemplating on getting one**
Me: Naaaah... We already have it! Its built-in! **sheds a tear**
you had me in the first half... and then again in the second.
Angron: wanna trade?
I can barely handle my biological one.
Can't tell if this is a troll. 😂
This scene of him climbing the mountain is a great metaphor for Iron Warriors doctrine, he climbs the mountain no matter the injury, altitude sickness or hypothermia. He's set his mind on the objective, and nothing will come between him and it. He's absolutely smart enough to go about this another way but it's like subconsciously he's decided the most efficient way is to drag himself up the mountain driven by emotion rather than logic. Wouldn't be long after this that the rest of the iron warriors would be marching over each others corpses dragging themselves up battlements in much the same fashion
That's the irony I suppose. He and his legion is supposedly all about the logical arithmetic of war but they're truly driven by emotion.
@@iagree6677 IRON-y.... I'll see myself out
@@alexanderfielding4344 you see what I did there 🙃
His legion had already operated like that for decades. They called 'corpsegrinders' behind their back.
Good take
You know Perturabo is in a rush when he doesn't even grab a shovel on his way out.
😂
Did someone mention trenching tools?
Ah Perturabo. His sister summed it up perfectly. He was a genius and had such brilliant dreams.
But it was not because he was unappreciated, that he fell. It was because he never allowed himself to believe he could let his guard down and talk to others. If he did, he would've learned Rogal Dorn wasn't making fun of him at the victory toast and, honestly, the two could've had a great bond.
I was gutted to learn he turned as he is one of my favourite.
He went to chaos?
He was treated badly by the emperor and he did grow up on Olympia and the people there were terrible had he grown elsewhere or was found earlier in the time line maybe he wouldnt have switched
At least Horus appreciated him.
@@robnixon8832 thats like being appreciated by newt Gingrich
@@christophercombs7561 That guy's still around?
Perturabo has been one of my favorite Primarchs since I first started learning the lore of 40k. His story is a truly tragic one. A brilliant architect that wanted to be accepted for his works of architectural art, but abused for his masterful siege warfare knowledge.
I think Perturabo always wanted to build, not to destroy. And this pushed him into Heresy.
Perturabo could have been one of the greatest post crusade primarchs
Love how he hated that the designs for an amphitheatre was corrupted and used as a court for the trial of his brother Magnus
@@89Keith so, he's a guy that likes everything to fulfill its intended purpose?
@@seekingabsolution1907 pretty much; kind of how he felt about himself too. He knew he was capable of crafting wonders of architecture and engineering, but more often than not was relegated to "ditch digger" as one of his brothers so nicely put it. Making him feel the same way an art lover would feel about michaelangelo's David statue being used as a battering ram
I believe the Emperor only foresaw a few things in the future, we dont know his motives or much of how he thought and would truly act. Which I think is a good thing honestly, leave the Emperor an enigma.
But I believe he only knew or chose to know that his son would betray him or he chose not to look at all and just saw the pain and sorrow of his son and his achievements on a planet of schemers
It could be the Emperor looked too closely at Perturabo and soul read his psyche, his petty, insecure, boastful, jealous demeanour and felt sadness. And then quickly shook it off judging that with his guidance and putting him to work doing what he was intended for he would change. That's what makes sense to me anyway
The Emps is a great psyker, and during the height of the Great Crusade he was almost a minor god powerwise. But he was no Tzeentch, and even in all his wisdom and might, he could not forsee all possibilities, for the warp currents are way to chaotic at this time to be able to do it. So yeah, he screwed big time in some things because he gambled big, though I think he underestimated the dangers of the warp and the ability to withhold such information from even his Primarchs.
I'm willing bet that he couldn't see everything, couldn't clearly see what was to come through one reason:
He had to power the Astronomicon for the Great Crusade all through out as the Imperium needed it for safe passage within warp travel. I'm guessing that it drained him a good deal, enough to cloud his foresight as he needed its light to stretch across the galaxy. At some cases he could guess of what come of his sons, be confidant in some of them, or hope for the best in others as he went along to do his projects or join the Great Crusade here and there for some campaigns.
That's just me though.
*Perturabo:* " *sight* Why is dad taking so long to arrive ? Oh well, I have some spare time, might as well take over the planet, push science and technology forwards a few centuries and create world peace. Wish there was something interesting or challenging for me to do, I AM SO BORED !"
I so desperately want Perturabo to be redeemable. He's always been one of my favorites and his story is such a tragic one.
I don't think even if Perturabo was redeemed, he would be happy to see the Emperor. Remember when Guilliman first came back with his audience with the Emperor, if he was treated the same as Guilliman, then it would only push Perturabo further down into chaos. He treated Gulliman as a tool rather than a son, and if thats how he reacts to one of the loyalist primarchs returning, just imagine what he would say or do to Perturabo.
Oh I agree. It’s a bit of a “what if?” Thought. I was thinking something more along the lines of the emperor speaking to Curze before the end. A very poignant moment. (If indeed it was real)
@@wolflordrho curze is talking to a piece of meat he sticht together not the emeperor
As someone commented on a previous video the emp
More then likely no longer has the capacity to feel anything let alone human emotion
Wolf, you've shown plenty of times the emp does care and does treat them as sons ( a bit hit and miss though )
Residing on the golden throne is a husk and a voice
That's it
Supreme Obama the emp has said many times they aren’t his sons they are weapons
@@claydud271 I think what you refer to is a repeated red herring in lore. A weapon cannot lead, does not instill loyalty, only kill and break things. The primarchs are created to build a civilization for all humanity, then lead and protect it. A gun is a weapon, the man that wields it is so much more.
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Thank you, that’s great to hear. I really appreciate that!
The irony is that, of all the times in his life when he could have been paranoid, this was one occasion when Perturabo wasn't remotely paranoid enough. We know that the Emperor hardly ever tells the whole truth, even to his closest confidantes. Perturabo, whose paranoia is usually his greatest vice, makes the mistake of trusting him without reservation.
Maan! This brought a tear to my eye! Now all i want is Perturabo and Angron to be happy but they never will be D':
@Modustollens1 so him Fulgrim, and Corax have a thing for Poetry?
I Cato Sicarius use this history channel to find information about the enemy of the imperial emperor of mankind
Fight me!
First thing you've done right since you were concieved.
In pre-Socratic times, in the Heraclitian fragments and Homer's rhapsodies, Logos had meanings wholly different from Ratio. Two of such meanings were Fire and War.
I feel mabye Big E's sadness was because of Perturabos eger willingness too serve dispite not knowing the tasks layed out ahead of him.
Here is his son who by design will win no glory, acumalate no fame, have his legion ground into the mud time and time again. But dispite all that he knew Perturabo would follow, but prehaps not the toll it would take.
I dunno mabye 😅
I like this interpretation better.
Wolf Lord Rho: Literally called “Wolf Lord”
Puppy: “I’m about to end this man’s whole career”
I did not expect this Iron Warriors video to begin with puppies.
Wow, Perturabo goes from one of the Primarchs I didn't really care about to one of my favourties in the space of ten minutes.
For all his famed brilliance, sometimes I find the Emperor really dumb, because you really need to try hard to turn such an obedient and benevolent son into a daemon prince.
It wasnt just Empi tho. The Chaos gods acted too.
Not that hard when you mix that loyalty with the universes biggest martyr complex.
I find myself liking the theory that Big E orchestrated the heresy more & more. Only way to understand his actions toward Angron, Lorgar & maybe Magnus.
Perturabo is not a Deamon Prince.
@@kristianmuhlenberg9531 yes he his, became one after the whole Iron Cage thing with Dorn I believe
The Emperor ask allegiance to Humanity, and Perturabo swear allegiance to the Emperor.
The Emperor knew there was trouble ahead.
Thanks for the vid.
When I heard Perturabo's vow, and the Emperor's sadness, I let out a gasp. Holy moly
It made my leg hairs stand on end
Its cause he knew, he knew pert would turn so sad. I mean they said the emp had foresight
@@instantjizz No, that's not the reason for His sadness.
These last two videos have been my first introduction to Perturabo. The last time I really paid attention was second edition. Thanks, Rho!
Glad you enjoyed! He’s definitely one of the least mentioned Primarchs. It’s been great to delve into!
Turbo hated 99% of Olympians. He did love his sister.
..........what kind of love are we talking about?
@@Rawkit_Surgeon Not the type you're thinking about,pull your head out of Nurgle's Garden.
He loved her right up until he killed her
@@THExRISER Shouldn't that be Slannesh's....:0)
@@tuor8087 I thought so too.....
The Emperor knew that Horus would betray him. This passage has now convinced me.
Ah, the Hammer of Olympia. He chose the wrong side!
The paranoid and the petulant, petty pappy Perturabo
He chose the losing side. Still not sure it was the wrong one.
@@rosskwolfe my Firefly alarm went off.
@@rosskwolfe But if Lorgar got the whole Imperium to worship the Emperor as a god, did they even lose? 🤔
Perterabo seemed to just need a hug from dear old dad and a shoulder slap and a "ya done good son"
Aww you’ve done it again Rho! This moment was so pure and a tad sorrowful..knowing what waits for this rejoicing son, and once proud father😔
@WolfLordRho You are one of the greatest storytellers I know. You really have a gift. I hope you get hired in some literary capacity somewhere big
Yeah yeah Perturabo whatever
TELL US MORE ABOUT THE PUPPY !!
How did you call him ? Mortarion, the Lord of death ?!
I bet Björn :D
Shelby. (She’s a girl) The mrs felt Russ wasn’t a suitable suggestion 🤷🏻♂️
@@wolflordrho should have named her after the She-Wolf that raised Russ, but sadly she doesn't have a name
@@wolflordrho russette, but the ette is silent
Rus is boring :P
Glorious! Also congrats on 50.1k subs!
It’s thanks to you all 😊
So great you choose that excerpt. It is a phenomenal part of the Lore. His final confrontation with his sister is also amazing.
Was Perturabo always half cyborg looking or was this done to him voluntarily in Olympia or when he was augmented into Primarch level space marine armor upon his uniting with Big E?
Doc Bravo seems to have happened after he became primarch of his legion, his armour is called the logos and was something he designed himself. The data tendrils in his head allowed him to absorb massive amounts of tactical data from his legion and battle fleet so it sounds like he had them implanted voluntarily.
I've been wondering that as well. These cables look a lot like Angron's butcher's nails but we know that that's not it.
I really wonder how a model of him in 40k will look, as he ascended to demonhood.
@@dikkekater like that bionic Daemon from Doom game lol
dikkekater we all do. Its rumoured he looks just like an ultimate obliterator
Definitely one of the best, if not THE best Primarch book, along with Fulgrim's. It moved me.
This a great breakdown of their meeting. We appreciate everything you do rho and good luck with your puppy
Thank you!
You need to read the passage of the short story (cant remember the name right now) on Perturabo where it is told that he always bullied his stepbrother and demanded that they compete in fabrixating tools and art, desptie that he would always win as a superhuman. But one day when his stepbrother bested him and created the finest statue Olympia has ever seen, Perturabo got angry linke a spolied child and destoryed the statue.
That tells a LOT about his later behaviour.
It’s from the emperors architect 👍🏼
Perturabo = Anxiety. I get you Perturabo. It sucks, but we train ourselves to see the best even when the instinct is to see the worst.
Really hard to imagine this is the Primarch that would meet his marines a few days(?) later and immediately order a Decimation.
It’s so weird that he didn’t have a ride along for a while with some other primarch like Corax did
The moment Perturabo made that vow his fate was sealed.
That part you have just read, is truly a beautiful scene. And yes this is a surprise to see for the first time, Perturabo displaying his emotions, in front of his father when he first sees him. All he ever wanted was to belong in his father's vision and get some credit. Despite him becoming the paranoid, cold hearted, hate filled lord of Iron in the Horus Heresy, he is still my favourite Primarch, next to the Khan and the Night Haunter.
Thank you bro! Have fun with the pup! We are here for you !
During the early stages of the Siege of Terra, Perturabo was not allowed to lead the siege of the Imperial Palace but instead fortify the Sol System against Guilliman's expected arrival, something that embittered him greatly... 😈
This book had me feeling and truly appreciate the Primarch he could have been. If a Primarch were to be come back to the light I would for it to be Perturabo or Curze
Definitely cruze, I feel like he the one who tries to do good but gave in into his madness, remember from his early life he tried to bring order in his homeworld.
Of all the Traitor Primarchs, Perturabo was the only one who had a just cause to rebel. His sons were being sent to be slaughtered in their thousands in sanity destroying, mind-numbing sieges. Perturabo's mind was as brilliant as any of the other Primarchs, yet he was never allowed to show his peers what wonders he was capable of creating. Instead he was considered nothing more than a beast of war, and he wen't deeply under-appreciated by all of the Imperium.
Sadly Games Workshop went the way of making Perturabo into a Daemon Primarch. If you ask me, his story would be infinitely more compelling if he had remained "mortal" (as mortal as a Primarch can be any way). This especially also plays into the idea, that Perturabo is the only Traitor Primarch that can be redeemed.
Is his ascension ever written about? Surely there where reasons for him to do it. I mean, the Iw HATE chaos
No.
He was architect of his own prison.
Mortarion chose to save his chapter rather than let it perish needlessly. I'm willing to bet that a single conversation with him before that moment about the importance of sacrifice for the greater good would have given him the courage to hold on to the last man... but apparently the emperor didn't think that was something you should have to tell a Primarch that has serious daddy issues. He's watching his family rot in their armor and is given a way out. I think thats about as much of a just cause as any. It wasn't a strike against the emperor as much as him taking up the responsibility for his chapter in place of the Emperor. If the emperor himself had been in that situation, what would he have done? Blameless I say!
Congrats on the new pup Rho! I guess that really does make you the 'Wolf Lord!'
The joy on the face of a master craftsman who has found a lost tool great quality.
A very extremely awesome video as always Wolf Lord Rho.
Perturabo's hatred of Dorn, and the emperors choosing of him to be the guardian of terra, is what turned Perturabo against the Emperor.
I'd say it was the straw that was a hair's breadth from breaking the camel's back.
It can be argued that Perturabo would’ve stayed loyal if not for the insurrection on Olympia. After Perturabo and his legion massacred the population, Perturabo broke down mentally and was at his weakest point. Perturabo believed that he and his legion would’ve been destroyed by the Emperor for what they did.
Horus took advantage of this, he congratulated the Iron Warriors for their actions and manipulated the Legion into joining his rebellion.
This primarch knows how to bring the pain and break he way in to any fortified locations.
I first loved Perturabo when he beat the shit out of Fulgrim in Angel Exterminatus😂
"Hiya pops! You probably landed on this mountain for the magnificent view. Why, from up here you can see hundreds of open patches of land that are easily accessible without climbing, frostbite, or asphyxia. Like that one, way over there, between my house and that cozy little cafe."
Them puppy care blues lol, its a lot of work but absolutely worth it when you have a real companion.
Rho, you have a gift for making me care about things I dont care about
And here I always thought perturabo was a throw away primarch, the tragedy of his fall really hits hard with this moment
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That the Custodians raised the arms and the emperor being sad may hint at the primarks which got killed off , maybe one of them reminded him of peturabo and the custodians having a dejavu raised there weapons , feeling they have to kill of a third son of the emperor
At some point I thought Rho was gonna cry :')
One day my friend. One day...
Hey Rho, Great Video!
I know how ya Feel about having a Puppy, we Got ours just before the Lock down Happened, so we've been Pretty Tired.
Hope your doing well and Thanks for the Great Videos!
Woof Lord Rho
Thank you. And I hope your pup is doing well 😊
This series literally made me subscribe to your channel. Perturabo is one of the most capable of the Emperor's son's when it comes to sucess of a war, the business end of it anyway. Unfortunately, in comparison to the other primarch's he lacks the self-esteem of his brothers. Your discussions about this really intrested me about he couldn't find his own value, and depended on others to define it. The tyrant, the emperor, and his brother's lack of affirmation for his value created all of his self-doubt. Imagine if he could find his value in this age. He could be best hope for the Imperium, or the ultimate reason why it falls if he does not...
These videos are great for chilling and playing games, I like the work you are doing keep it up my dude
Perturabo never deserved all the hate he got, from the fandom, or his brothers. He was always tragically misunderstood.
of all the traitor primarchs I find Perturabo,Magnus, and Angron to be the most tragic and unfortunate cases. All Perturabo wanted was the love of his father and recognition which he honestly deserved not more than his brothers but as well as them. he should be viewed as great as Rogal because he is. he is the perfect complement to Dorns defensive mindset. The Iron Lord's Offensive capabilities even surpassed Dorns IMO. but He was denied that and for no good reason really. it's heart breaking
I just love the way you read stuff dude
30 minutes later: “Kids, gather ‘round. I’m thinking of a number between 1 and 10. If you have NOT chosen that number, this is your lucky day.”
The Emperor was the embodiment of humanity throughout 30k timeline even if laden with secrets I think he cared for his sons. The time in the golden throne had robbed him of that humanity.
If only Dorn hadn't been such an uptight hardass then he and Perty could have been friends. Imagine the fortresses those two would have designed together.
Nice one. I want to hear perturabo's interaction with his adoptive father and sister next.
This book and Angel Exterminatuas give tremendous insight into the true heart of Perturabo. He was a genius and was dismayed at the use of his talents after 2 centuries of war.
The final insult was his design being used for the Council of Nikea. Something he designed to express human art was turned into a court to condemn and divide his brothers.
He was absolutely paranoid but you could argue rightfully so for his accumulative life experiences.
Awesome as always Rho!
Ngl when Perturabo was excited to see his Father it almost brought me to tears.
Emperor: "My son...I find you! Now go deal with the Hrud while ma boi Dorn builds all the cool stuff"
Perturabo: "I DECLARE HERESY!!!"
The sadness makes me think the Emporer knows what's coming. Like he wants to cherish them but cannot do so for long
While Horus was the Emperor's most dear son, Guilliman the more human, Perturabo would had been the more son of the Primarchs, for the lack of a better word. How would you describe the other 15?(Angron out of the question, the man was just insane)
This is difficult, you can say some like Vulkan would be best brother, but others like Curze and Alpharius, well. Considering their (theorized) roles post-great crusade could help, but the role within "family" is much less clear to infer.
I think the tragedy of Perturabo and the Emperor is a lot like Mortarion's relationship with him. They will resent him like they did their foster fathers and feel as though they have been exploited.
From iron cometh strength
From strength cometh will
From will cometh faith
From faith cometh honor
From honor cometh iron
This is the Unbreakable Litany. May it forever be so.
The never ending grinding, attritional seige warfare without respite or praise finally broke their will.
Without will they lost faith.
Without faith they lost Honour.
Without honour the iron fell to rust
I honestly think that Emps knew what was going to happen but didn't really know details. I think he knew that he was going to be betrayed by some of his sons but didn't know exactly who.
And yet with some, did nothing to address their concerns (e.g. Horus' constant imposter syndrome when made Warmaster) or grievances (e.g. Angron and Perturabo) and with others (e.g. Lorgar) practically _drove_ them away from him? 🤔
Does he even know who Alpharius/Omegon are?
I honestly really liked this book. Helps that it had dantioch to be sure
Did Perturabo augment himself with this cables coming out of his head?
Yes, they allowed him to link with the tactical network of his legion and fleet so he could analyse the whole battlefield and send orders in moments .
@James Espinosa Because of that his flagship doesn't have any windows because he knows everything that is going on. and can control it by remote The computer in his suit is actually the most deadliest weapon he has because he can even call in an orbital strike.
Hahaha... my dear Wolf Rho, always the apathetic fathers son, so kind, makes me wonder if it’s Space Wolves blood running in your veins, you know better than to think the Emperor didn’t know how it would end for each of his sons, that sadness in his eyes you know what the Emperor was thinking, Perturabo from his very origins was made a creature of undeniable perseverance, always climbing to the top, you know when the Emperor approached him for the first time Perturabo knew the Emperor was his own personal mount Olympus and the only way to get to the top is by learning all the Emperor had to offer then he believed he would get to the top and become a God!. This is the creature the Emperor made , and when the Emperor asked if he would join him in his crusade, he could feel Perturabos words being false he could hear the tactician in him agreeing with all his might and hunger to eventually surpass him, this is the sadness the Emperor knew would become his unmaking.
Perturabo is one of my favorite primarchs along with Angron.
Amazing writing :) all hail Haley ! F..ing broke me inside :(
17:11 that could be a cool plot thing. Maybe the Emperor speaks to him through sheer psychic power, commanding him to come back, perhaps reminding him of his belonging to the Imperium. I honestly think that could be pretty cool. Perturabo betraying his legion, and trying to break free from the grasp of the Chaos Gods.
Perturabo's mind is so driven by logic that he eventually logics his way into insanity. He's so sure he's right that the idea that he's wrong drives him insane. He digs is, knowig that the LOGICAL thing to do is to open up, but he's so sure of his own logic that the fact that he's wrong make him do the things he knows are wrong in the hopes that things will come all the way around again that maybe his mistakes will be nullified.
As the wise men say
"How the mighty have fallen."
These puppies are just fluffy babies brother. The cutest lifeforms maybe, yes. But babies happen to do annoying stuff all day without knowing any better, which is trying at times. But you are the mighty Wolf Lord, establish dominance, yet issue love often, and you will have a companion unrivaled in all the galaxy!
8 week old puppy? Dirty quarantine breaker!
hehe
With a puppy he know is... Woof Lord Rho?
Can't talk about having a puppy then not show us! We demand puppy pics
😂
Congrats on the pup Rho! Freki or Geri I presume? ;) thanks for the great content.
Puppyrabo? The young one?
will there be a video on why he betrayed the emperor ? I love Perturabo and his iron warriors, i always wanted them to be loyalists
And eventually find the emperor cruel he did. It feels like the gulf with his adopted father reemerged between himself and the emperor as the crusade wore on.
I feel your pain mine is 10 weeks
Should've heard how emperor meet the night haunter... Cold af.
That thing he says about the emperor looking sad, the question is was that true or just in Perturabo's head? His own self-doubts and stuff coming through even in their very first meeting.
"My son, I have found you. Now get digging."
11:03 Or he's just able to project that very well to the POV character.
How could he enact the decimation so soon after he met the emperor, he doesn't seem that mad, just after he experienced happiness for the first time.
Mine is 9 weeks old!!!! handful, aren't they? we got her two weeks ago, her momma was hit by a car and we took her in.
I've watched a lot of videos from you Wolf Lord. It leads me to ask a burning question. How do you feel about you're father?
"You are...Peter Turbo"
"I AM! I AM PETER TURBO!"